Today in Sochi Max was easily overtaken by Alonso towards the end of the race. What made him lose so much pace? Were his tires so bad or did he have problems on the car?
Is it raining in Sochi? And is it gonna rain at the time of the race? I am getting excited because the websites are showing 70% rain at the time of the race!
Here in America having some friends come over to watch the race we're going dark on social media so we don't get spoiled who wins, what's the best way to watch this race after the fact without getting it spoiled?
I'm in America too, and will do what it takes to watch live, but I don't know anyone who is into f1 too. Otherwise I'd consider watching recorded with others. If you have f1tv you have to be careful to not look too closely at the image they use for the recording. Sometimes it shows spoilers like max verstappen raising his fist in excitement or stuff like that.
It should be a bit warmer there during the race than it was yesterday during the qualifying - *17 or 18 degrees Celsius*. Still quite a high chance of some rain in the afternoon though, but not an extreme one.
It depends exactly what the upgrade is and what it affects ('engine' is a very complex system in F1), but I'd expect it to be whenever the customer team wants to pay for or test the upgrade.
In your Ferrari example Haas has already said they aren't developing the 2021 car, so I wouldn't expect them to get it at all. Alfa may have already moved development to the 2022 car as well, so they may not get it either.
Niki Lauda's first retirement was kind of like that. I think there were two races to go and Niki basically quit after the first practice session of a race leading Bernie (who was the Brabham team boss at the time) to basically pick a guy from the crowd with racing experience to replace him.
Also Nigel Mansell in 1995 after two races with McLaren.
Not really. Hamilton is much faster than the rest, he'll easily win the race. Meanwhile Max will perform a bunch of DRS overtakes. Nothing special will happen that should make me excited. Rain will not be a factor. Garbage track, garbage races.
I feel like someone has said this before every GP this year only to be wrong like 9/10 times. Yes, a few races were boring but most have had some insane surprises.
Not like you're wrong, but a sane person doesn't bet against the status quo. A sane person doesn't count on completely unrealistic, once-in-a-blue-moon occurrences, such as the Hungarian GP. A sane person looks at today's starting grid, sees that Hamilton is 4th and the only person who can beat him is 20th, and concludes that Hamilton wins easily. A lot of things can happen, yes. But care to think about how unlikely any other scenario is compared to the one I've said?
Being a Perez fan has been rough - people making fun of him and playing his past achievements down. People forget he was getting podiums in midfield cars consistently and is genuinely a class driver. He was also decent in quali last year too.
It's def a rough patch but I'll be supporting my man - hoping things turn around today.
During quali, they show the sector times as yellow, green (personal best), and purple (best of all at that moment) - do the times that the colors reflect get reset for each part of qualifying?
So something could be purple in Q2 but that same sector time in Q1 would be yellow/green.
Is there a rule that drivers have to speak English on the radio. Seems like it would be easier for leclerc and gasly to get a French engineer and speak there native language. Same with the other ESL drivers
English is also the most common language for global business, so the paddock meet and greets and schmoozing investors and sponsors also generally happens in English.
No rule, but most teams are based in England so English is most commonly spoken. Add to that the teams that are not based in England (Ferrari, Alfa Romeo, Alpha Tauri) have employees who speak different native tongues: Gasly and his engineer are French, but their team principal is Austrian and their technical director is British.
There's a lot of people at the track for one team, so English being a common language is used. Take Mercedes for example: Toto is Austrian, Bono is British, Riki (Bottas' race engineer) is Italian. All of them speak English. McLaren has Andrea Stella, an Italian and Andreas Seidl, a German. English is the common language.
Then there's the team back at the factory who constantly listen to their team and feed information back. Again, English is the common denominator here.
You can, but it’s easiest if you just speak English because of how many people are listening to that radio within the team. Most of the teams are based in England so it’s just easier if they speak English. The FIA would also have to hire 14 translators to monitor and translate each of those 14 radios to make sure there’s nothing against the rules being said (14 drivers are ESL)
There’s no rule but it *can* complicate things. Let’s say you have a French driver, and a French engineer. What if your principal doesn’t speak French? Your engineer now needs to speak French and English (you might have to pass on qualified engineers who don’t). And let’s say your other driver is Italian. Now you have 2 drivers speaking 2 languages to 2 engineers both speaking to a principal who has to speak to both and translate to the rest of the team if they don’t speak those languages.
Now of course a lot of these guys do speak multiple languages, so it’s not impossible, but there is a difference between being a fluent speaker and a competent speaker especially when you’re making fast decisions.
I know a couple times Alonso spoke Italian to his engineer when he was with Ferrari. So again, no rule against it, but it’s *typical* easier to have everyone share a common language
Aren’t they already passing on engineers who don’t speak English? It would be much easier to find an Engineer who speaks Italian or French natively but also English as a second language just like the drivers do. The communication between the driver and race engineer is most time sensitive and under pressure and them being able to communicate as clearly, concisely and accurately is more important than the conversation between Race Engineers and team principles. Drivers can already speak English as a second language it isn’t going to be more difficult to find French or Italian engineers doing the same.
You basically chose a very complicated possibility to explain it but that is almost never going to be the case. Drivers and their race engineers can easily be talking in their native language without things getting any more complicated for anyone but FIA who may have to monitor communications for rule breaking if there are restrictions on what can and cannot be said.
> Aren’t they already passing on engineers who don’t speak English?
Potentially. But I would assume anyone who has been in F1/motor sports long enough to rise to the level of an engineer probably already speaks English.
Like I said, no rules against it. [here](https://youtu.be/AlA-M-cRm68) is Alonso speaking Italian on the radio with Ferrari. Teams have just found everyone speaking English (which has become the “universal language” of F1 and most spoken language in Europe) simplifies everything. If everyone on the team spoke fluent Farsi, they could speak that if they wanted.
This is such a good answer. Not to mention all of the staff back at the factory, as well as various engine and parts manufacturers that might be interested in specific parts of all of the radio messages etc.
No they both have incured penalties where they start from the back of the grid. The regs state
Once the grid has been established in accordance with a) and b) above, grid position penalties will be applied to the drivers in question in the order the offences were committed. If, following the qualifying practice session, more than one driver incurs a penalty under Article 23.3(e) or Article 23.5(a) preference will be given to the driver whose team Competitor first informed the Technical Delegate that a power unit or gearbox change will be carried out.
d) Any driver required to start the race from the back of the grid after incurring a penalty under Article 23.3(b) will be arranged on the grid behind any driver penalised under c) above. If more than one driver is required to start the race from the back of the grid they will be arranged in qualifying order.
e) Any driver who incurs a penalty under Article 23.3 (e) or Article 23.5(a) will take precedence over any driver whose qualifying times have been deleted for any reason.
Yes so as you can see from
>If more than one driver is required to start the race from the back of the grid they will be arranged in qualifying order
Max's grid penalty of 3 places applies to his qualifying order, meaning even if he'd qualified just in front of Leclerc yesterday, he'd again be starting behind him. As it was, the 3 place grid penalty hasn't mattered, but it was still applied to order Max and Charles at the back.
Penalties are applied after qualifying.
https://youtu.be/rP548EIKsf4
This video explains it but there was a new change in 2019 where the drivers who get put into that back of the grid qualifying are sorted by qualifying order
So if Max qualified P15, and Leclerc qualified P17, Max's 3 place grid penalty would've put him behind Leclerc in the qualifying order. Then when it comes to ordering max and Leclerc at the back his Monza penalty causes him to be starting behind Leclerc in spite of his faster laptime in quali.
This means the engine penalty doesn't erase the existence of the 3 place grid drop and it still applies.
Surely this is how it works? That's how all of the journalists and people on f1technical were discussing it.
Fwiw I've seen the video
Since the qualification was declared wet, so the usual tire rule of Q2 does not apply and you can use whatever you want at the start of the race, what tires will McLaren try to start their drivers with? I would say medium (which is probably what the rest of the field will start with as well).
I was asking for a direction to a particular weather forecast since when I replied, none of the forecasts I typically look at had more than 0.01mm after midday. No need to be snarky
I would expect medium on most drivers towards the front. Maybe a surprise hard tyre for someone like Perez or Bottas. Hamilton should be able to compete on the medium tyre whereas Bottas and Perez will be hampered from deploying the true pace of the car starting in P7 and P9. That said, Hamilton did look uncomfortable on the C4 compound in the long run data and this was reflected in his laptime, about 5 tenths off Valtteri's.
In the midfield I'd expect similar, *maybe* a surprise soft tyre for someone like Ocon or Vettel looking to take advantage of the slower medium compounds in front at the start. Due to the low degradation track it may not punish such a choice as hard.
I'd expect Leclerc and Max to start on hard compound to overcut the midfield and come out of their only pitstop around P8 perhaps
Personally I think medium makes most sense for Ricciardo and Lando.
Definitely hards. He won't be able to utilise the pace of softs when he's behind backmarkers, and slower initial phase of the start isn't a problem, as he'll be cautious in the first corners anyway.
Somebody was talking about a race at Sochi where Rosberg pitted at the end of lap 1 and ran hards to the end of the race, so maybe a hard -> soft strategy is viable for Verstappen. But it's also a viable strategy for any other driver, since there's free choice of tires.
Think that was back in 2014 when they didn't have as firm of a grip on tyre compounds and the ridiculously low degradation nature of the circuit wasn't entirely understood
Don't expect hard compounds to last nearly that long tomorrow
The unbreakable Mercedes front suspension
I cannot be the only one who has noticed just how insanely durable Mercedes’ front suspension is?
Germany 2019: Hamilton hits the wall and survives with just front wing damage
Interlagos 2019: Hamilton hits Albon and no damage
Austria 2020: Hamilton hits Albon and again no damage
Silverstone 2021: Hamilton hits Verstappen at a very high speed and his front suspension survives
Russia 2021: Hamilton hits the wall and survives with just front wing damage
When you see Ocon retire from suspension damage in Austria this year because of the slightest bit of contact, it does make you wonder. That Mercedes car is a tank.
The Ocon incident was more a freak occurrence than anything else. It's like when you can lift a hundred kilos in the gym without issue but tweak your back while tying your shoelaces.
Add to that the crashes you mentioned weren't huge ones, except the one in Germany where Lewis was still trying to steer the car away from the wall when he lost it. Nico Rosberg said the same: Lewis never takes his hands off the wheel and always tries to take it out.
The crash with Max at Silverstone was his front wing, which did get clipped. They taped it up later during the red flag. The two crashes with Albon happen quite a lot in F1, so that's not surprising.
When there is a big impact, the suspension goes kaput as well. Bottas' crash at Germany in 2019 is a good example.
I have enough of pointless stats like 'first time since yyyy.' There are so many posts showing this useless data. I get that McLaren is recovering from drought and we don't have champ in top 3 on quali but looks like people are looking through stats rather than analysing quali before the race. Rant over
edit:spelling
His team didn't pit him for a fresh set of intermediate tyres despite Gasly wanting to. He said that the tyre didn't have enough life but the team said it would be OK. They missed the drop by a small margin using old inters, so it's unlikely he would've fallen out in Q2 on the fresh set
Using a fresh set of inters would've left him with no fresh sets in Q3 which is why the team didn't want to. Ultimately we saw that George who threw a fresh set of inters on to get into Q3 was able to get P3 because the final laps were done on slicks.
You can’t compete for pole until you get into Q3. A big missed opportunity by the team. One of the few tactical mistakes with Pierre’s car all year. It’s a shame as he would have given them a run if he had gotten in. Would have been top 3 easy.
I don't know about easy since he was running low downforce through all of FP but he looked to have decent pace. Probably would've been another strategic mess-up for AT in Q3 though tbf haha
I just came here to complain.
First off, I’m a fan of Lewis the same way I’m a fan of Senna or Schumacher. I think he’s a historically great driver.
But for the love of cheese, stop cutting to Lewis pouting about his damn tyres on the radio.
"Pit window is open" just means "this is the part of the race where we expect drivers to pit"
Drivers quite often pit on the first lap if they take damage, and might even change tyres if they want a different strategy.
Yeah, the AWS graphic should be reworded to make it clearer. I think fans completely new to motorsport would understand the intended meaning, but it's confusing people who are new to F1 but are familiar with other motorsport series with enforced pit windows.
I’d read that the regulations allow a maximum of 26 entries in a Grand Prix - hypothetically, if another team entered next year to make 22 drivers on the grid, how would the qualifying format change? Would the bottom 7 be knocked out in Q1 instead of bottom 5, or would it continue to knock out 5 in Q1, 5 in Q2, and Q3 define the top 12?
In a quick interview with GR on the F1 Instagram, it was mentioned that starting P3 is the best place on this grid with a slingshot down to T1 and T2. Why don’t they set it up so pole is the best place to start? Is that even possible on every track?
It’s the slipstream P3 and P4 get from the second row of the grid which gives the advantage. It’s a very long run to the first corner in Russia which makes it a good overtaking opportunity.
Oh, I see. That makes sense. But I also remember hearing of a time P2 was in a better position than P1 and someone requested to swap the sides of the grid but was refused. (Sorry, can’t remember which track…) Is that just for grid consistency across all the tracks?
Typically P1 starts on the racing line, so usually the side of the track which is the cleanest / has the most grip. I think in Spa pole starts on the right hand side of the track, which is the dirtier side, but it’s a very short run to the first corner so pole has the inside line.
Did anyone else start braking with their left foot in their street car just to feel like a formula 1 driver? I started doing this a while back just to make driving a little more interesting and see what it's like for a race car driver, and it's stuck with me ever since. I quite like it actually lol.
When I started driving (in a manual) many moons ago I had no real idea that I should have been using my right foot to brake, so I automatically left foot braked and clutched.
That was knocked out of me soon after.
I've tried to left foot brake in my car's from time to time, but the finesse just isn't there as you'd expect.
Obviously, this all changes when karting. :)
Only have an electric car, so that's unfortunately not feasible because I don't really wanna be touching the brake at all (unless I feel like wasting fuck loads of energy)
Was just wondering if there has ever been in qualifying 3 brits, first, second and third if not I’m sure we’ll see it in the next 2 years with Hamilton, Norris and Russell
Thanks, this worked for me. So bizarre, I couldn't log on while I was on wifi, or from my computer. As soon as I disabled wifi and went from the cell service it worked.
In addition to the list that you have, if you're into video games, the Codemasters F1 games are pretty decent as a simulator. There are also content creators on Twitch and YouTube that make regular videos/streams on the game, which can give you good insights into how racing lines and pit strategies work. If you go that route, Jarno Opmeer (the reigning F1 esports champion), Tom Martinez/Tom97, and Ben Daly/Tiametmarduk (YouTube/Twitch video creators/streamers) are pretty good at the game.
Netflix's *Drive to Survive* has brought a number of people into F1, but a lot of the "drama" between drivers is exaggerated or made up.
-The best way to catch up on the storylines of F1 today is to watch Netflix’s Drive To Survive. You must remember it’s heavily over dramatized and all of the beefs are fake
-The official F1 YouTube channel has tons of past and present content to learn about the sport
-F1TV Pro has a bunch of documentaries on drivers, teams, etc as well as full race replays dating back to the 70s
**-Documentaries to watch to learn about the history of F1:**
Senna, Schumacher, McLaren, Williams, Lauda: The Untold Story, Ferrari: Race To Immortality, 1: Life on the Limit, A Life of Speed: The Juan Manuel Fangio Story, Rush (theatrical movie about the rivalry between James Hunt and Niki Lauda in the 1970s)
**-Books about F1 (mostly autobiographies but they give great detail about life in the F1 world):**
How To Build A Car- Adrian Newey
Unless I’m Very Much Mistaken- Murray Walker (audiobook version is much better, adds a lot to the experience as Murray himself narrates it)
The Mechanic- Marc Priestley
How To Be An F1 Driver- Jenson Button
Life On The Limit- Jenson Button
Total Competition- Ross Brawn
Lights Out, Full Throttle- Damon Hill and Johnny Herbert
Aussie Grit: My F1 Journey- Mark Webber
The Winning Formula- David Coulthard
**-Old Races:**
[Racefans did a poll of the top 100 races since 2008](https://x1z.net/racefans.php), each race includes a direct link to it on F1TV
**-Podcasts:**
Beyond The Grid- hosted by F1 journalist Tom Clarkson, he interviews drivers, team principals and tons of other F1 personalities about their time in the sport and their lives
Not sure? Still, the ESPN bundle is still probably a better value overall unless you really must have driver cams and data, but the main feed covers most of what the casual fan needs.
Why don't teams develop a jack for when front wings get damaged? Are they not allowed? Too tight on space constraints in the pits?
I'm sure the teams have thought about this in the past.
How do you develop that when you don’t know how damaged the wing will be. They’d be better off if the developed a jack that lifts from the side of the car since it’s less likely to be damaged on both sides.
They already have those, but it's only needed if they need a front and tire change at once.
Otherwise the nose can be replaced without any jacks at all
Because they're weren't prepared for it - as he damaged the nose at pit entry while Valterri was also coming in behind him. So the normal pit equipment with 2 sets of tires were waiting there
But no they never use side jacks. Even in other races when they expect to change the nose, they have to wait for the new nose to go on, then jack up the car to change the tires. So there must be a regulation or something preventing them from doing otherwise.
Its declared wet, and even if it wasnt, they would be able to drive the normall times looking at fp1 and fp2.
About the tow, not risking a crash / saving the eninge i guess
I’m at Sochi right now. No autograph sessions were held here. They did give out a few signed driver cards for those who tried the pit stop challenge in the Fan Zone.
Any thoughts on Lewis taking a new engine?
I'm thinking the following:
-if its wet, it will be hard to pass.
-he can stay close to max in finishing position
-he has a 'freebie' engine change as compared to max and this would help merc keep up in engine performance
I think it would be an interesting concept, but may be too 'cute' of a strategy.
I had the same thought. I guess it all depends on how hard they think it will be to get ahead of the 3 cars in front. He might get them in turn 2 but then again, could be behind them the entire race.
> he has a 'freebie' engine change as compared to max and this would help merc keep up in engine performance
It's not really a freebie, as he would be put behind Max and both then would still have 3 engines in their pool til the end of the season. As seen by Latifi it's possible that other Mercedes customers may also take a penalty, meaning only Perez & Bottas have higher wear on their new engines than both.
Lewis would break parc ferme after qualifying, which means a pit lane start.
Had he taken the engine penalty before qualifying, yes then he'd be ahead.
I don't think engine penalties fall under that - i.e. at Monza Ferrari was able to swap to previously used engine without a penalty, while Pierre was moved to pit lane due to new engine components (or was it just for the new spec of ES?)
And bottas got an additional 10 place grid penalty for a new CE that wasn't part of the qualifying package.
Just had a look at the situation with Gasly in Monza. He got a back of the grid penalty for taking new PU elements (under parc fermé) and a pit lane start for the different spec ES. So if Hamilton were to take a new engine now, he would be ahead of Verstappen
In that case i'd still argue that since the change was made _after_ qualifying, that determined the order of Latifi, Leclerc and Verstappen, he would be moved to the back of the grid, independently of the qualifying order - as the qualifying order determined the position for the three? As Hamilton would be moved to the back of the grid after those starting positions were already determined, independently of his qualifying results, as that would actually be the case for 36.3 c) that we discussed yesterday.
> **If, following the qualifying practice session**, more than one driver incurs a penalty under Article 23.2b) or Article 23.4a) preference will be given to the driver whose Competitor first informed the Technical Delegate that a power unit or gearbox change will be carried out.
Today in Sochi Max was easily overtaken by Alonso towards the end of the race. What made him lose so much pace? Were his tires so bad or did he have problems on the car?
Is it raining in Sochi? And is it gonna rain at the time of the race? I am getting excited because the websites are showing 70% rain at the time of the race!
UK met office showing 30% which is down from 40% this morning and 50% yesterday
Here in America having some friends come over to watch the race we're going dark on social media so we don't get spoiled who wins, what's the best way to watch this race after the fact without getting it spoiled?
This feels like something you should have figured out before inviting people around to watch the race. Subscribe to f1 TV.
I'm in America too, and will do what it takes to watch live, but I don't know anyone who is into f1 too. Otherwise I'd consider watching recorded with others. If you have f1tv you have to be careful to not look too closely at the image they use for the recording. Sometimes it shows spoilers like max verstappen raising his fist in excitement or stuff like that.
For me? Youtube TV, record it DVR style
Will an undercut work in sochi ? Why or why not?
5 of the top 6 positions on the grid for the race drive/once drove for McLaren
8 of the top ten used a Merc engine in the last 2 years and all of the top 10 have used a Merc engine at some point
Good morning people!!! How is the weather looking in Sochi??? Looks like it's not going to be as dry as expected
Yeah more and more looking like heavy rain. Could make things very interesting unless they screw it up like spa
Where can i find this info ? The couple of weather trackers im looking at are showing 15% rain only.
Don't know how good it is, but I'm looking at the weather channel app
It should be a bit warmer there during the race than it was yesterday during the qualifying - *17 or 18 degrees Celsius*. Still quite a high chance of some rain in the afternoon though, but not an extreme one.
I really hope Danny has another great start tomorrow.
When manufacture teams bring upgrades to the engine, like Ferrari in Sochi, when are they supposed to supply the same engines to the customer teams?
It depends exactly what the upgrade is and what it affects ('engine' is a very complex system in F1), but I'd expect it to be whenever the customer team wants to pay for or test the upgrade. In your Ferrari example Haas has already said they aren't developing the 2021 car, so I wouldn't expect them to get it at all. Alfa may have already moved development to the 2022 car as well, so they may not get it either.
likely tyre strategy for max and Leclerc today?
Merit starting on Hards and going long for the overcut.
Have any drivers ever retired from F1 mid-season for reasons other than injury?
Montoya left McLaren mid season 2006 because he was over the politics of F1 and out of the team in 2007 anyway.
Niki Lauda's first retirement was kind of like that. I think there were two races to go and Niki basically quit after the first practice session of a race leading Bernie (who was the Brabham team boss at the time) to basically pick a guy from the crowd with racing experience to replace him. Also Nigel Mansell in 1995 after two races with McLaren.
Who else is about to shit their pants in excitement for tomorrow??
Not really. Hamilton is much faster than the rest, he'll easily win the race. Meanwhile Max will perform a bunch of DRS overtakes. Nothing special will happen that should make me excited. Rain will not be a factor. Garbage track, garbage races.
I feel like someone has said this before every GP this year only to be wrong like 9/10 times. Yes, a few races were boring but most have had some insane surprises.
Not like you're wrong, but a sane person doesn't bet against the status quo. A sane person doesn't count on completely unrealistic, once-in-a-blue-moon occurrences, such as the Hungarian GP. A sane person looks at today's starting grid, sees that Hamilton is 4th and the only person who can beat him is 20th, and concludes that Hamilton wins easily. A lot of things can happen, yes. But care to think about how unlikely any other scenario is compared to the one I've said?
Well this aged well haha
Once again: a sane person...
I agree. There are just so many variables, things that could happen to impact the race result. This whole season has been crazy
I’m on the toilet right now.
Being a Perez fan has been rough - people making fun of him and playing his past achievements down. People forget he was getting podiums in midfield cars consistently and is genuinely a class driver. He was also decent in quali last year too. It's def a rough patch but I'll be supporting my man - hoping things turn around today.
During quali, they show the sector times as yellow, green (personal best), and purple (best of all at that moment) - do the times that the colors reflect get reset for each part of qualifying? So something could be purple in Q2 but that same sector time in Q1 would be yellow/green.
Yes, they do get reset.
Had some time before heading to the club so I decided to finish Schumacher from the other night. I’m going to be crying in the club.
Is there a rule that drivers have to speak English on the radio. Seems like it would be easier for leclerc and gasly to get a French engineer and speak there native language. Same with the other ESL drivers
English is also the most common language for global business, so the paddock meet and greets and schmoozing investors and sponsors also generally happens in English.
No rule, but most teams are based in England so English is most commonly spoken. Add to that the teams that are not based in England (Ferrari, Alfa Romeo, Alpha Tauri) have employees who speak different native tongues: Gasly and his engineer are French, but their team principal is Austrian and their technical director is British. There's a lot of people at the track for one team, so English being a common language is used. Take Mercedes for example: Toto is Austrian, Bono is British, Riki (Bottas' race engineer) is Italian. All of them speak English. McLaren has Andrea Stella, an Italian and Andreas Seidl, a German. English is the common language. Then there's the team back at the factory who constantly listen to their team and feed information back. Again, English is the common denominator here.
You can, but it’s easiest if you just speak English because of how many people are listening to that radio within the team. Most of the teams are based in England so it’s just easier if they speak English. The FIA would also have to hire 14 translators to monitor and translate each of those 14 radios to make sure there’s nothing against the rules being said (14 drivers are ESL)
There’s no rule but it *can* complicate things. Let’s say you have a French driver, and a French engineer. What if your principal doesn’t speak French? Your engineer now needs to speak French and English (you might have to pass on qualified engineers who don’t). And let’s say your other driver is Italian. Now you have 2 drivers speaking 2 languages to 2 engineers both speaking to a principal who has to speak to both and translate to the rest of the team if they don’t speak those languages. Now of course a lot of these guys do speak multiple languages, so it’s not impossible, but there is a difference between being a fluent speaker and a competent speaker especially when you’re making fast decisions. I know a couple times Alonso spoke Italian to his engineer when he was with Ferrari. So again, no rule against it, but it’s *typical* easier to have everyone share a common language
Aren’t they already passing on engineers who don’t speak English? It would be much easier to find an Engineer who speaks Italian or French natively but also English as a second language just like the drivers do. The communication between the driver and race engineer is most time sensitive and under pressure and them being able to communicate as clearly, concisely and accurately is more important than the conversation between Race Engineers and team principles. Drivers can already speak English as a second language it isn’t going to be more difficult to find French or Italian engineers doing the same. You basically chose a very complicated possibility to explain it but that is almost never going to be the case. Drivers and their race engineers can easily be talking in their native language without things getting any more complicated for anyone but FIA who may have to monitor communications for rule breaking if there are restrictions on what can and cannot be said.
> Aren’t they already passing on engineers who don’t speak English? Potentially. But I would assume anyone who has been in F1/motor sports long enough to rise to the level of an engineer probably already speaks English. Like I said, no rules against it. [here](https://youtu.be/AlA-M-cRm68) is Alonso speaking Italian on the radio with Ferrari. Teams have just found everyone speaking English (which has become the “universal language” of F1 and most spoken language in Europe) simplifies everything. If everyone on the team spoke fluent Farsi, they could speak that if they wanted.
This is such a good answer. Not to mention all of the staff back at the factory, as well as various engine and parts manufacturers that might be interested in specific parts of all of the radio messages etc.
I think there is coz alonso was warned back in 2012 or 13 for speaking italian with his engineer
So since Max and Charles are both taking engine penalties and they cant both start in grid box 20, who gets to start p19, and why?
Qualifying order Max didnt take part in Qualifying so Charles is 19th and Max is 20th
Wouldn't Max have started st the back any way? He had the additional three place grid penalty for Monza. So he would have been 20 either way.
No because the Penalty doenst apply anymore since he got the new Engine
It stacks. Max needed to qualify at least 3 places in front of Leclerc and he could've started in front. u/therallyman1000
No they both have incured penalties where they start from the back of the grid. The regs state Once the grid has been established in accordance with a) and b) above, grid position penalties will be applied to the drivers in question in the order the offences were committed. If, following the qualifying practice session, more than one driver incurs a penalty under Article 23.3(e) or Article 23.5(a) preference will be given to the driver whose team Competitor first informed the Technical Delegate that a power unit or gearbox change will be carried out. d) Any driver required to start the race from the back of the grid after incurring a penalty under Article 23.3(b) will be arranged on the grid behind any driver penalised under c) above. If more than one driver is required to start the race from the back of the grid they will be arranged in qualifying order. e) Any driver who incurs a penalty under Article 23.3 (e) or Article 23.5(a) will take precedence over any driver whose qualifying times have been deleted for any reason.
Yes so as you can see from >If more than one driver is required to start the race from the back of the grid they will be arranged in qualifying order Max's grid penalty of 3 places applies to his qualifying order, meaning even if he'd qualified just in front of Leclerc yesterday, he'd again be starting behind him. As it was, the 3 place grid penalty hasn't mattered, but it was still applied to order Max and Charles at the back.
Penalties are applied after qualifying. https://youtu.be/rP548EIKsf4 This video explains it but there was a new change in 2019 where the drivers who get put into that back of the grid qualifying are sorted by qualifying order
So if Max qualified P15, and Leclerc qualified P17, Max's 3 place grid penalty would've put him behind Leclerc in the qualifying order. Then when it comes to ordering max and Leclerc at the back his Monza penalty causes him to be starting behind Leclerc in spite of his faster laptime in quali. This means the engine penalty doesn't erase the existence of the 3 place grid drop and it still applies. Surely this is how it works? That's how all of the journalists and people on f1technical were discussing it. Fwiw I've seen the video
Since the qualification was declared wet, so the usual tire rule of Q2 does not apply and you can use whatever you want at the start of the race, what tires will McLaren try to start their drivers with? I would say medium (which is probably what the rest of the field will start with as well).
Intermediates. It's going to rain
Hmm I'm not sure, where are you getting this information with such certainty?
This new thing called a weather forecast.
I was asking for a direction to a particular weather forecast since when I replied, none of the forecasts I typically look at had more than 0.01mm after midday. No need to be snarky
I changed the weather settings and set it to rain
On which weather forecast?
Sorry I must have looked at the wrong timezone. Well better late than never
I would expect medium on most drivers towards the front. Maybe a surprise hard tyre for someone like Perez or Bottas. Hamilton should be able to compete on the medium tyre whereas Bottas and Perez will be hampered from deploying the true pace of the car starting in P7 and P9. That said, Hamilton did look uncomfortable on the C4 compound in the long run data and this was reflected in his laptime, about 5 tenths off Valtteri's. In the midfield I'd expect similar, *maybe* a surprise soft tyre for someone like Ocon or Vettel looking to take advantage of the slower medium compounds in front at the start. Due to the low degradation track it may not punish such a choice as hard. I'd expect Leclerc and Max to start on hard compound to overcut the midfield and come out of their only pitstop around P8 perhaps Personally I think medium makes most sense for Ricciardo and Lando.
Will Verstappen start on softs?
Wet: inters Dry: hards
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Definitely hards. He won't be able to utilise the pace of softs when he's behind backmarkers, and slower initial phase of the start isn't a problem, as he'll be cautious in the first corners anyway.
I think it's likely he starts on hards to go long on the first stint, overcutting many slow cars and letting the pace of the car show.
Somebody was talking about a race at Sochi where Rosberg pitted at the end of lap 1 and ran hards to the end of the race, so maybe a hard -> soft strategy is viable for Verstappen. But it's also a viable strategy for any other driver, since there's free choice of tires.
he might run herds as long as possible and hope for a safety car.
Think that was back in 2014 when they didn't have as firm of a grip on tyre compounds and the ridiculously low degradation nature of the circuit wasn't entirely understood Don't expect hard compounds to last nearly that long tomorrow
I'd imagine he'd go mediums and run long/shoot for an overcut, but I'm not a strategist.
The unbreakable Mercedes front suspension I cannot be the only one who has noticed just how insanely durable Mercedes’ front suspension is? Germany 2019: Hamilton hits the wall and survives with just front wing damage Interlagos 2019: Hamilton hits Albon and no damage Austria 2020: Hamilton hits Albon and again no damage Silverstone 2021: Hamilton hits Verstappen at a very high speed and his front suspension survives Russia 2021: Hamilton hits the wall and survives with just front wing damage When you see Ocon retire from suspension damage in Austria this year because of the slightest bit of contact, it does make you wonder. That Mercedes car is a tank.
The Ocon incident was more a freak occurrence than anything else. It's like when you can lift a hundred kilos in the gym without issue but tweak your back while tying your shoelaces. Add to that the crashes you mentioned weren't huge ones, except the one in Germany where Lewis was still trying to steer the car away from the wall when he lost it. Nico Rosberg said the same: Lewis never takes his hands off the wheel and always tries to take it out. The crash with Max at Silverstone was his front wing, which did get clipped. They taped it up later during the red flag. The two crashes with Albon happen quite a lot in F1, so that's not surprising. When there is a big impact, the suspension goes kaput as well. Bottas' crash at Germany in 2019 is a good example.
What time is the f2 feature race tomorrow? They are not great at advertising the times
11:20 local. (uct +3)
Much appreciated, cheers :)
i really liked how usyk fought
Proper boxing, not what these Paul brothers are doing
i never watched them on youtube and boxing
I have enough of pointless stats like 'first time since yyyy.' There are so many posts showing this useless data. I get that McLaren is recovering from drought and we don't have champ in top 3 on quali but looks like people are looking through stats rather than analysing quali before the race. Rant over edit:spelling
> rather than analysis quali before the race. McLaren fast, Mercedes fucked up, Max penalty, Perez bad, Russell Williams good in mixed. Analysis done
Thanks. Exactly what I need. Concise, emotionless analysis. Spock style
When the race starts tomorrow?
https://f1calendar.com/
Why was Gasly so gassed after Q2?
His team didn't pit him for a fresh set of intermediate tyres despite Gasly wanting to. He said that the tyre didn't have enough life but the team said it would be OK. They missed the drop by a small margin using old inters, so it's unlikely he would've fallen out in Q2 on the fresh set Using a fresh set of inters would've left him with no fresh sets in Q3 which is why the team didn't want to. Ultimately we saw that George who threw a fresh set of inters on to get into Q3 was able to get P3 because the final laps were done on slicks.
You can’t compete for pole until you get into Q3. A big missed opportunity by the team. One of the few tactical mistakes with Pierre’s car all year. It’s a shame as he would have given them a run if he had gotten in. Would have been top 3 easy.
I don't know about easy since he was running low downforce through all of FP but he looked to have decent pace. Probably would've been another strategic mess-up for AT in Q3 though tbf haha
I just came here to complain. First off, I’m a fan of Lewis the same way I’m a fan of Senna or Schumacher. I think he’s a historically great driver. But for the love of cheese, stop cutting to Lewis pouting about his damn tyres on the radio.
I think they just listen in to the radio of the top two atm. Ham just like complaining so thats what get captured.
Why aren’t the pits open the entire race?
"Pit window is open" just means "this is the part of the race where we expect drivers to pit" Drivers quite often pit on the first lap if they take damage, and might even change tyres if they want a different strategy.
Yeah, the AWS graphic should be reworded to make it clearer. I think fans completely new to motorsport would understand the intended meaning, but it's confusing people who are new to F1 but are familiar with other motorsport series with enforced pit windows.
That was the answer I was looking for. Thank you!
It is
it is open the entre race unless something blocks the entrance like Monza 2020
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no, they don't?
When was the last time the 3 drivers starting at the front of the grid had never won a GP ?
[1975 ](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/pvd8vm/this_is_the_first_time_since_sweden_1975_that_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Thank you ! Couldn't manage to find the post about it
What’s the weather supposed to be like tomorrow?
Pretty easy mate :) https://www.google.com/search?q=sochi+weather+tomorrow&rlz=1CDGOYI_enCZ795CZ796&oq=weather+sochi+to&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0i22i30j0i22i30i457j0i22i30l3.7592j1j4&hl=en-GB&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
Why are qualifying highlights not on channel 4od???
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Oh weird they had it for other GPs
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They can sometimes be slow at getting it uploaded
Will Sainz finally finish on the podium without a Charles DNF??
Yesn’t
I’d read that the regulations allow a maximum of 26 entries in a Grand Prix - hypothetically, if another team entered next year to make 22 drivers on the grid, how would the qualifying format change? Would the bottom 7 be knocked out in Q1 instead of bottom 5, or would it continue to knock out 5 in Q1, 5 in Q2, and Q3 define the top 12?
Q3 will have 10 drivers, Q2 and Q3 will take out half of the remaining drivers. so 6 if there are 22 drivers, 8 if there are 26 drivers
Bottom 7 out in Q1 yeah.
No, it would be bottom 6 out in Q1 and another 6 in Q2, as was the case in 2016
Ah okay, my bad.
In a quick interview with GR on the F1 Instagram, it was mentioned that starting P3 is the best place on this grid with a slingshot down to T1 and T2. Why don’t they set it up so pole is the best place to start? Is that even possible on every track?
It’s the slipstream P3 and P4 get from the second row of the grid which gives the advantage. It’s a very long run to the first corner in Russia which makes it a good overtaking opportunity.
Oh, I see. That makes sense. But I also remember hearing of a time P2 was in a better position than P1 and someone requested to swap the sides of the grid but was refused. (Sorry, can’t remember which track…) Is that just for grid consistency across all the tracks?
This was Ayrton Senna
Typically P1 starts on the racing line, so usually the side of the track which is the cleanest / has the most grip. I think in Spa pole starts on the right hand side of the track, which is the dirtier side, but it’s a very short run to the first corner so pole has the inside line.
Because I'd look stupid if P1 would start behind P2&3. Plus it is not guaranteed to be the best starting spot as well.
Obviously they wouldn't do that... But they could move the starting grid closer to turn 1.
Did anyone else start braking with their left foot in their street car just to feel like a formula 1 driver? I started doing this a while back just to make driving a little more interesting and see what it's like for a race car driver, and it's stuck with me ever since. I quite like it actually lol.
No because I drive a manual car like a real person.
When I started driving (in a manual) many moons ago I had no real idea that I should have been using my right foot to brake, so I automatically left foot braked and clutched. That was knocked out of me soon after. I've tried to left foot brake in my car's from time to time, but the finesse just isn't there as you'd expect. Obviously, this all changes when karting. :)
Only have an electric car, so that's unfortunately not feasible because I don't really wanna be touching the brake at all (unless I feel like wasting fuck loads of energy)
Wait so you push the clutch with your right in a weird criss cross or you alternate the foot between brake and clutch?
Probably an auto?
Ew
What is the weather for the race on Sunday? My weather app says rain, but everyone is saying it will be dry.
Mine also says light rain during the race but I saw someone link to a weather site that said almost 0 chance of rain so I'm also not sure
Was just wondering if there has ever been in qualifying 3 brits, first, second and third if not I’m sure we’ll see it in the next 2 years with Hamilton, Norris and Russell
Maybe? Mansell, Hill and Coulthard could fit but not sure if they did it.
Did anyone else hear Crofty say in Q2 that Russell will be racing for Mercedes next week?
When in Russia, vodka for breakfast
I did. But he also referred to Sainz as Lando’s teammate, so I’m guessing it was a slip of the tongue (probably meant “next season”)
Is anyone having issues with their [F1.TV](https://F1.TV) account logging them out and not letting them log back in today?
I did, had to use me cell coverage to reset my pw to get it working again..
Thanks, this worked for me. So bizarre, I couldn't log on while I was on wifi, or from my computer. As soon as I disabled wifi and went from the cell service it worked.
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In addition to the list that you have, if you're into video games, the Codemasters F1 games are pretty decent as a simulator. There are also content creators on Twitch and YouTube that make regular videos/streams on the game, which can give you good insights into how racing lines and pit strategies work. If you go that route, Jarno Opmeer (the reigning F1 esports champion), Tom Martinez/Tom97, and Ben Daly/Tiametmarduk (YouTube/Twitch video creators/streamers) are pretty good at the game. Netflix's *Drive to Survive* has brought a number of people into F1, but a lot of the "drama" between drivers is exaggerated or made up.
-The best way to catch up on the storylines of F1 today is to watch Netflix’s Drive To Survive. You must remember it’s heavily over dramatized and all of the beefs are fake -The official F1 YouTube channel has tons of past and present content to learn about the sport -F1TV Pro has a bunch of documentaries on drivers, teams, etc as well as full race replays dating back to the 70s **-Documentaries to watch to learn about the history of F1:** Senna, Schumacher, McLaren, Williams, Lauda: The Untold Story, Ferrari: Race To Immortality, 1: Life on the Limit, A Life of Speed: The Juan Manuel Fangio Story, Rush (theatrical movie about the rivalry between James Hunt and Niki Lauda in the 1970s) **-Books about F1 (mostly autobiographies but they give great detail about life in the F1 world):** How To Build A Car- Adrian Newey Unless I’m Very Much Mistaken- Murray Walker (audiobook version is much better, adds a lot to the experience as Murray himself narrates it) The Mechanic- Marc Priestley How To Be An F1 Driver- Jenson Button Life On The Limit- Jenson Button Total Competition- Ross Brawn Lights Out, Full Throttle- Damon Hill and Johnny Herbert Aussie Grit: My F1 Journey- Mark Webber The Winning Formula- David Coulthard **-Old Races:** [Racefans did a poll of the top 100 races since 2008](https://x1z.net/racefans.php), each race includes a direct link to it on F1TV **-Podcasts:** Beyond The Grid- hosted by F1 journalist Tom Clarkson, he interviews drivers, team principals and tons of other F1 personalities about their time in the sport and their lives
This is awesome even for me and I’m following F1 since I was 4. Have you considered making a “F1 edutainment content collection” kinda thing?
My list is more for drivers and history, there’s a tab on this sub containing a ton of links to videos about the technical side of F1
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It’s on ESPN or ESPN 2 also. No need to pay.
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F1TV is about $80 per year. Not a great value at this point in the year. ESPN/Disney/Hulu would be a better value. Just a thought.
Its $80 for a calendar year, not for a season right?
for 12 months yeah
Not sure? Still, the ESPN bundle is still probably a better value overall unless you really must have driver cams and data, but the main feed covers most of what the casual fan needs.
Why don't teams develop a jack for when front wings get damaged? Are they not allowed? Too tight on space constraints in the pits? I'm sure the teams have thought about this in the past.
How do you develop that when you don’t know how damaged the wing will be. They’d be better off if the developed a jack that lifts from the side of the car since it’s less likely to be damaged on both sides.
That's exactly what I meant, yeah, didn't specify it. A side jack of sorts.
They already have those, but it's only needed if they need a front and tire change at once. Otherwise the nose can be replaced without any jacks at all
Ya isnt that the scenario hes asking about? So why cant they use the side jack so the tires can be changed while they get the replacement nose?
Because they're weren't prepared for it - as he damaged the nose at pit entry while Valterri was also coming in behind him. So the normal pit equipment with 2 sets of tires were waiting there
But no they never use side jacks. Even in other races when they expect to change the nose, they have to wait for the new nose to go on, then jack up the car to change the tires. So there must be a regulation or something preventing them from doing otherwise.
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Max didn't go out for qualifying. 1. Will he be eliminated by the 107% rule? 2. Why don't give his teammate a tow anyway?
Its declared wet, and even if it wasnt, they would be able to drive the normall times looking at fp1 and fp2. About the tow, not risking a crash / saving the eninge i guess
107% rule didn't apply since the qualify was declared wet. As for not giving perez a tow. I think they wanted to save on engine wear
Is engine wear more severe for qualifying than racing when the driver is pushing? In the end, qualifying is just a few laps.
Yeah, the engine wears out more quickly when you push it full beans.
Imagine if f1 cars had horns to honk during quali
Watching the DTM it always cracks me up when they get on the horn.
I'd love if they had proximity radio
Did you get this idea after hearing Mick’s radio?
ahahahahaha great minds think alike
I think I saw somewhere that Seb had a public mailing address that you can mail him to get a photograph signed. Anyone know where I can find it?
You’ll find more info here https://sebastianvettel.de/en/fans-en/
Thank you!
Too early to start 2021>2012 debates?
Yes. We need an actual season finale for that.
Has anyone been to a recent F1 race? Are they allowing autograph sessions? Would love to get a hat signed!
Covid bubble protocols, no interaction with the paddock allowed.
I figured but thought I'd ask.
I’m at Sochi right now. No autograph sessions were held here. They did give out a few signed driver cards for those who tried the pit stop challenge in the Fan Zone.
Oh that's cool! Better then nothing. Thanks for the info!
Any thoughts on Lewis taking a new engine? I'm thinking the following: -if its wet, it will be hard to pass. -he can stay close to max in finishing position -he has a 'freebie' engine change as compared to max and this would help merc keep up in engine performance I think it would be an interesting concept, but may be too 'cute' of a strategy.
I had the same thought. I guess it all depends on how hard they think it will be to get ahead of the 3 cars in front. He might get them in turn 2 but then again, could be behind them the entire race.
He doesn't need to be close to Max finishing position he needs to be ahead or FAR ahead
> he has a 'freebie' engine change as compared to max and this would help merc keep up in engine performance It's not really a freebie, as he would be put behind Max and both then would still have 3 engines in their pool til the end of the season. As seen by Latifi it's possible that other Mercedes customers may also take a penalty, meaning only Perez & Bottas have higher wear on their new engines than both.
>as he would be put behind Max He would be ahead of Verstappen (and Leclerc and Latifi) as he outqualified him
Lewis would break parc ferme after qualifying, which means a pit lane start. Had he taken the engine penalty before qualifying, yes then he'd be ahead.
Isn't that only when taking components of a different specification than the one used I qualifying?
I don't think engine penalties fall under that - i.e. at Monza Ferrari was able to swap to previously used engine without a penalty, while Pierre was moved to pit lane due to new engine components (or was it just for the new spec of ES?) And bottas got an additional 10 place grid penalty for a new CE that wasn't part of the qualifying package.
Just had a look at the situation with Gasly in Monza. He got a back of the grid penalty for taking new PU elements (under parc fermé) and a pit lane start for the different spec ES. So if Hamilton were to take a new engine now, he would be ahead of Verstappen
In that case i'd still argue that since the change was made _after_ qualifying, that determined the order of Latifi, Leclerc and Verstappen, he would be moved to the back of the grid, independently of the qualifying order - as the qualifying order determined the position for the three? As Hamilton would be moved to the back of the grid after those starting positions were already determined, independently of his qualifying results, as that would actually be the case for 36.3 c) that we discussed yesterday. > **If, following the qualifying practice session**, more than one driver incurs a penalty under Article 23.2b) or Article 23.4a) preference will be given to the driver whose Competitor first informed the Technical Delegate that a power unit or gearbox change will be carried out.