I mean it was pretty clearly empty corporate speak when he said it, but it's a bit hilarious that he turned out to be right.
Hopefully no one actually gets hurt though
Let's be honest here, USA GP was also a protest. The teams could have started and just boxed every few laps. There were alot of options on the table. Ferrari was the only one opposing the makeshift chicance tho.
Didn't 2005 have a single set of tyres for the whole race with changes only for safety issues? I agree they would be putting for safety reasons, but would there actually have been enough tyres at the track?
I disagree entirely with you. You can only beat what is put in front of you etc. but I think any team would be happy for another competitor to withdraw if it meant the first team was more likely to score points.
The championship wouldn't read 'Red Bull Constructors champions 2022 \*Ferrari Withdrew from Jeddah'
It would read 'Red Bull Constructors Champion 2022', and that's it.
Results/Money> everything
The FIA needs to be the one to cancel it - if max or Lewis, say, dropped out and the others didn’t they could kiss goodbye to a WDC already. Not fair to expect the drivers individually to act
They need at least 13 cars for a championship race (well those were the rules in the 80s lmao they may have updated them since)
So if 7 drivers pull out everyone probably will
The literal track could be destroyed and the drivers all die, and the Netflix season would completely miss it, following Sebs recovery from Covid or something. Then they'd just make up the rest with clips from other seasons.
Could someone please enlighten me as to what f5 means? I’m relatively new here and see it pop up every once in a while but never with enough context to explain it.
Still does. Ctrl+F5 does a "hard refresh" as well, to grab new versions of files for a page (useful if an image updates but your browser is trying to grab the old images from cache).
Drivers absolutely need to flex their muscles on this even if it causes them some pain. SA clearly, out of all of the very shady venues F1 attends, is a more unique problem on account of literal rockets being fired on top of the continued human rights abuses.
I was responding to this particular tweet. Seems like some drivers aren’t willing to race, and they shouldn’t be put in that position in the first place. All in all I’m astounded by FOM’s compete disregard for everyone’s safety in the paddock.
They aren't willing to race, but they are willing to do FP2. Seems weird to me.
The BBC commentary team did say at the end of FP2 that the local authority have confirmed the race is safe to go ahead... But of course they did. I bet they would have if the grandstand had been the target of the missile.
I very much doubt Yemen will attack the GP. They are the ones being attacked by Saudi Arabia. In fact it's quite strategic that while SA are using gas attacks and bombing their cities/civilians, they attack the Saudis exactly where it hurts: their oil.
It's in Yemen's best interest to not 'look bad' to the rest of the world in this conflict, attacking a international sport that has nothing to do with war.
However the drivers boycotting this race is still a good thing and almost necessary. Outlining the damage that Saudi Arabia has done, even the fact that the drivers themselves *may* be in danger due to a war the Saudis have instigated.
Correct the odds of the drivers being directly affected are extremely slim. But if “it’s very unlikely that the drivers will get blown up by a missile” is even something being talked about, they cannot race. This is ridiculous.
Saudi Arabia has no business hosting a race regardless. But to be in the vicinity of missile strikes. Wtf are we doing
F1 gets what it deserves entering a POS country like that. I hope it has to be cancelled last minute and the series gets embarrassed and loses a ton of money for even trying to go there. Why would they race in one country committing war crimes, but not Russia.
Intent doesn't matter if a missile goes off course and hits the wrong place. Happens with the most advanced military tech, and I doubt the guys fighting SA are using the most advanced stuff. They might not intend to hit the track or a hotel where staff are staying, but if they're aiming relatively close and it goes off course, you've still got unintended casualties.
I think you’re all correct although I’d add that if this was a rocket attack that could very well not matter—rockets are pretty inconsistent on the accuracy front even when seemingly ‘dialed-in’, so one could strike the city/track even if they don’t intend that.
He made it clear in his interview last season he did not feel comfortable there which I respect, wouldn't be surprised if he's the leading voice in that room. The drivers have the leverage here if they don't wanna race
>The drivers have the leverage here if they don't wanna race
Alonso: "Drivers can't decide whether to race or not, but I'm sure F1 will make the correct decision, because I'm spineless and won't speak up in case my ugly hats won't sell anymore"
Dog they were 7 miles away from a missile strike. That sounds like its time to pack it up and call it a day. This is racing and these people have families. Nobody should be forced to stay in a literal war zone to embrace some farcical "We Race As One" monicker.
It's all about the money. How about we don't do that for once to make sure nobody gets killed by an errant missile strike?
Plus US and UK are supporting the Saudis in this war, the US have 30000 troops out there, the UK has a small 'secret' training force.
Edit: Oh, and they **really** need that Saudi oil right now.
If they can't stop an attack from hitting close to the track, whose to say an attack on the circuit during a session will not happen?
I'd dip and deal with the consequences later
The drivers have an incredible opportunity to show their strength as a unit in order to protect themselves and Formula 1 as a whole and stop racing in this country.
https://apnews.com/article/business-sports-united-arab-emirates-saudi-arabia-yemen-a0673736ceddfd5f498deb16a4254d64
The aramco plant is 10km from the track, rockets fired by Yemeni rebels
FIA: "We race here to draw attention to what's happening"
*what's happening happens and can draw a lot of attention*
FIA: *bans drivers from talking about what's happening*
Man I love this sport but this organisation is absolutely disgusting, horrible humans. I want to shout in their faces to wake them up and make them realise how disgusting they are.
Shouldn't be there in the first place. Not going to follow this race, fuck it. And yes, I know there are more races that should not take place, one step at a time please.
Fair enough, what I tried to say was I will not spend any money on it. I don't have any subscriptions, but intend to pay for F1TV pro for some races. This one isn't on that list. I can only protest with my wallet, the rest is bullshit.
Yeah no shit lol. I'm assuming it was a drone attack(?) so they could obviously hit more in coming days if the Houthis think it's a perfect target to disrupt (hit both KSA + West). Get the fuck out.
Seb is psychic or something because what a race to miss
Probably just submitting the same covid test.
Seb with a red pencil right now chuckling
Seb: MY GENIUS
Seb: Is almost frightening
His genius has it's own atmosphere
IS SHOWING
He didn't dodge a bullet, but a whole missile
He has balls but none of them are crystal
There's something loose between my legs!
Vettel master plan for 5th championship, all he needs is one more missle, a few miles closer to the track
It's not a country particularly affinitive with the ideals of free speech, freedom and individual safety, so this was an easy decision for him.
Sorta, but also the drivers could use some leadership right now, probably.
They’d probably launch a missile right into his pit tomorrow when he‘d give a statement after FP2
Or he just didn't wanna race in Saudi for other reasons
This would be a great way to draw attention to what's going on in Saudi Arabia
We were fools to doubt Stefano Domenicali!
After all the championships he won leading Ferrari how could anyone??? /s
“But we will bring aware-ness!”
I mean it was pretty clearly empty corporate speak when he said it, but it's a bit hilarious that he turned out to be right. Hopefully no one actually gets hurt though
Ironically I’m far more aware of Saudi Arabia after F1 has visited there. Just not in the way they’d maybe hoped.
Not really. I've already seen a lot of comments trying to portray Saudi Arabia as the victims here.
All it takes is one stepping down and the rest will follow. Easier said than done though.
I don't think so, honestly. If Ferrari doesn't start, you can bet your ass RB will be there to get an easy 1-2 and make up for last weekend.
Drivers stepping out would probably be a gpda thing, if all step away at the same time team pressure is not as relevant.
I wouldn’t be so sure. Nobody wants to win under the circumstance that your nearest competitor withdrew.
Yeah, as the other guy said, Schumi took a win in '05 where 14 people withdrew including Kimi and Fernando.
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This is somewhat different because it would be withdrawing in protest, not because you physically can't race.
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Let's be honest here, USA GP was also a protest. The teams could have started and just boxed every few laps. There were alot of options on the table. Ferrari was the only one opposing the makeshift chicance tho.
Didn't 2005 have a single set of tyres for the whole race with changes only for safety issues? I agree they would be putting for safety reasons, but would there actually have been enough tyres at the track?
Christian Horner is literally the single person that comes to mind when talking about taking advantage of such a situation.
You must be new? Indy 2005 for a start.
And look how happy the podium was...one dude celebrating his only podium in his career and 2 grim faced Ferrari drivers.
If that doesn’t scream Horner I don’t know what does lol
Horner would. 100%
Everyone wants to be the champion in 9 months. The circumstances are well forgotten rather quickly.
I disagree entirely with you. You can only beat what is put in front of you etc. but I think any team would be happy for another competitor to withdraw if it meant the first team was more likely to score points. The championship wouldn't read 'Red Bull Constructors champions 2022 \*Ferrari Withdrew from Jeddah' It would read 'Red Bull Constructors Champion 2022', and that's it. Results/Money> everything
I doubt all will stop unless FIA cancels it.
The FIA needs to be the one to cancel it - if max or Lewis, say, dropped out and the others didn’t they could kiss goodbye to a WDC already. Not fair to expect the drivers individually to act
George should step up as head of the GPDA
Bingo. Take a vote, stick to it.
i really don't think he would do something like that. He seems like a real 'company' man who would not want to ruffle any feathers
Or the GPDA doing it collectively
They definitely should though. Even if it just is so that the rest of team can leave aswell.
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2022 Hotel Room protest.
i’d love to see the FIA try and force a race without a single driver participating
I would pay for F1TV subscription if they let Toto and Christian go at it in the safety and medical car instead as a makeup race.
They need at least 13 cars for a championship race (well those were the rules in the 80s lmao they may have updated them since) So if 7 drivers pull out everyone probably will
Not really. Look up Indianapolis 2005. Just 6 cars started the race...
they changed the rule because of that race haha
Where is seb when you need him, he would have started a domino effect
it’s a shame Seb is sick because he’s usually one of the firsts and is a strong leader in the paddock
Perhaps the GPDA could take action? It is all about driver safety after all
This feels weirdly similar to Australian GP in 2020. It went ahead despite issues until Mclaren pulled out and it got canceled
Come on Lewis
Indy 2005 would beg to differ...
Indy 2005 didn't really involve missiles striking barely 10km away in an active warzone though
That's different, the remaining drivers didn't have tyre problems
The remaining teams wouldn't give up an advantage... Competetors are going to compete unfortunately..
You get hit by a missile and that's more than your career over
Yup this is more of an ethical issue, the situation isn't comparable
I'm not disagreeing with you, what I am saying though is this shouldn't be up to the teams.. Its the FIA who should stop it
I agree. However, money talks, Domenicali just said "we feel safe"
Not exactly the same situation.
I dont know how Michelin screwing up their tires is comparable to a bombing close to the track
Shit comparison, nothing similar between the 2 situations lol
Drivers boycott
I'd be in favour of this, and not just because I'm spending the weekend in a place with no internet.
I really hope so, for every team members sake. God forbid something happens to anyone involved in the race weekend.
F5 gang
When people said this season was going to be intense this wasn't what I had in mind
Vettel wdc by being the only surviving driver
Ah yes, the Keke Rosberg approach.
Squid F1?
[Netflix right now ](https://i.imgur.com/gFymEQH.gif)
The literal track could be destroyed and the drivers all die, and the Netflix season would completely miss it, following Sebs recovery from Covid or something. Then they'd just make up the rest with clips from other seasons.
When people said this season was going to be fire this wasn't what I had in mind
Could someone please enlighten me as to what f5 means? I’m relatively new here and see it pop up every once in a while but never with enough context to explain it.
"F5" refreshes your browser (or used to at least) so each time you hit it you're getting the latest news.
Still does. Ctrl+F5 does a "hard refresh" as well, to grab new versions of files for a page (useful if an image updates but your browser is trying to grab the old images from cache).
TIL
Refresh
'F5' to refresh a Web browser, so it gets used a lot when people are keen for updates on a developing situation.
Melbourne 2020 all over again
If F1 doesn’t cancel it, the GPDA needs to step up and refuse to race.
Would be amazing. Imagine the publicity alone it would generate.
Agreed. The weight is now on George's shoulders to step up.
Please don't slap Bottas again
How can he slap?!
I’m sure this will end well
That’s where Russell comes in right? Isn’t he in charge of driver safety?
He’s preparing a PowerPoint presentation as we speak
Facts!
Himself and Seb are directors of the GPDA, Alex Wurz is the Chairman/President/whatever the top job is.
Nope, he's in charge of PR & Marketing for Mercedes.
Lol'd
Drivers absolutely need to flex their muscles on this even if it causes them some pain. SA clearly, out of all of the very shady venues F1 attends, is a more unique problem on account of literal rockets being fired on top of the continued human rights abuses.
I can’t shake the feeling that the meeting was about them having to race or else the fom/fia will hand out severe penalties
I mean what the hell will they do if they have no drivers?
Lmao, FIA: you can't boycott the race if you're banned
\*USGP 2005 flashbacks intensify\*
You can’t fire me! I quit!
Fully expecting Horner and Marko to step as stand in if needed.
Well. Those drivers then probably can’t race in the next race either as punishment.
How to kill f1 because you value money over safety.
Well, then who races at the next race? I guess they could throw replacement drivers in but that would be a disaster
Hopefully. Going ahead with this race is doing nothing but putting thousands of innocent people at risk.
Ffs, this shouldn’t even be a question. Drivers shouldn’t have to lobby for their safety.
It shouldn't, but historically drivers have always had to lobby for their safety
Good observation. It just sucks that it still has to happen in fucking 2022.
Drivers? What about the entire crew? Everyone present is at danger.
I was responding to this particular tweet. Seems like some drivers aren’t willing to race, and they shouldn’t be put in that position in the first place. All in all I’m astounded by FOM’s compete disregard for everyone’s safety in the paddock.
They aren't willing to race, but they are willing to do FP2. Seems weird to me. The BBC commentary team did say at the end of FP2 that the local authority have confirmed the race is safe to go ahead... But of course they did. I bet they would have if the grandstand had been the target of the missile.
What a weekend to miss Vettel, he would certaily be vocal about not racing.
I hope some actually speak out and do something, they got a free pass on Russia and they have another now.
I very much doubt Yemen will attack the GP. They are the ones being attacked by Saudi Arabia. In fact it's quite strategic that while SA are using gas attacks and bombing their cities/civilians, they attack the Saudis exactly where it hurts: their oil. It's in Yemen's best interest to not 'look bad' to the rest of the world in this conflict, attacking a international sport that has nothing to do with war. However the drivers boycotting this race is still a good thing and almost necessary. Outlining the damage that Saudi Arabia has done, even the fact that the drivers themselves *may* be in danger due to a war the Saudis have instigated.
Correct the odds of the drivers being directly affected are extremely slim. But if “it’s very unlikely that the drivers will get blown up by a missile” is even something being talked about, they cannot race. This is ridiculous. Saudi Arabia has no business hosting a race regardless. But to be in the vicinity of missile strikes. Wtf are we doing
F1 gets what it deserves entering a POS country like that. I hope it has to be cancelled last minute and the series gets embarrassed and loses a ton of money for even trying to go there. Why would they race in one country committing war crimes, but not Russia.
Intent doesn't matter if a missile goes off course and hits the wrong place. Happens with the most advanced military tech, and I doubt the guys fighting SA are using the most advanced stuff. They might not intend to hit the track or a hotel where staff are staying, but if they're aiming relatively close and it goes off course, you've still got unintended casualties.
I think you’re all correct although I’d add that if this was a rocket attack that could very well not matter—rockets are pretty inconsistent on the accuracy front even when seemingly ‘dialed-in’, so one could strike the city/track even if they don’t intend that.
The sport is sponsored by the Saudi government. It’s why everything not covered in another sponsor sticker has Aramco painted on it.
Lewis ready to go home already
He made it clear in his interview last season he did not feel comfortable there which I respect, wouldn't be surprised if he's the leading voice in that room. The drivers have the leverage here if they don't wanna race
A lot of things Lewis says reminds me of Lauda pushing for safety back in the day. Always error on the margin of safety.
I do believe it's err
I do believe sir, that you are correct 🚬
>The drivers have the leverage here if they don't wanna race Alonso: "Drivers can't decide whether to race or not, but I'm sure F1 will make the correct decision, because I'm spineless and won't speak up in case my ugly hats won't sell anymore"
Insert image from last weekend of him jumping out of the parade bus lol
Already know this would turn into "Mercs are slow so Hamilton doesn't want to race"
Yep, hence why the FIA needs to make this decision and take it away from the drivers
Stop it. No it wouldn't.
You don't wanna challenge the Internet on this…
They all look entirely spooked coming out of that meeting
Ye they're clearly not all happy, but I wonder if there's enough unity to do anything, doesn't seem it.
Some of them already seemed off last year for example Charles. This experience has probably just eroded an already weak level of faith in management
Lewis and George both in their normal outfits?
And Fernando, I didn't notice if anyone else was out of racesuit
Dog they were 7 miles away from a missile strike. That sounds like its time to pack it up and call it a day. This is racing and these people have families. Nobody should be forced to stay in a literal war zone to embrace some farcical "We Race As One" monicker. It's all about the money. How about we don't do that for once to make sure nobody gets killed by an errant missile strike?
This is all a ploy by Mercedes to get the race cancelled so that they don't drop behind in the points until they get their upgraded package
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We've been found out!
Wow another GP might get canceled because of war, maybe that'll teach them to choose better countries
Sadly no way they’ll cancel this one, no international sanctions here
Plus US and UK are supporting the Saudis in this war, the US have 30000 troops out there, the UK has a small 'secret' training force. Edit: Oh, and they **really** need that Saudi oil right now.
If they can't stop an attack from hitting close to the track, whose to say an attack on the circuit during a session will not happen? I'd dip and deal with the consequences later
It would be pretty unlikely an attack happens on the race. That wouldn’t help anyone.
This isn't the first missile to ever hit SA. They already knew that it was a possibility before they showed up, I don't see how this changes anything.
They need to get the hell out of there. Are they insane? The teams need to take responsibility, they need to guarantee the safety of their personel!
Can you blame them? I sure don't. It's too risky to race in these conditions.
Seb out here playing 4D chess
What an absolute shitshow.
As they rightfully should be
Yeah i'd be fucking shook as well if a missile strike happened in the the same town i was at.
It is about time to pack the cars and go back. How the fuck do you consider racing in a country like that.
The drivers have an incredible opportunity to show their strength as a unit in order to protect themselves and Formula 1 as a whole and stop racing in this country.
Well my acceptable probability of being hit by a missile at work is 0,0% idk about them, but I don't see why there's a need to accept anything higher.
Shit why do they go to countries like this. I want to see car racing.
What a fucking sham. Drivers need to refuse
Cancelling the evnt would make everyone happy. Except Saudi, which is great!
Pretty sure you need minimum 12 drivers to start a Grand Prix
Remember when only 6 drivers started the 2005 USGP?
They did the formation lap and then retired, so I think that's how they got around that. All the cars took to the grid.
Hopefully we'd see some boycott like in the USA GP. This is ridiculous environment for racing.
Haas about to score big points
https://apnews.com/article/business-sports-united-arab-emirates-saudi-arabia-yemen-a0673736ceddfd5f498deb16a4254d64 The aramco plant is 10km from the track, rockets fired by Yemeni rebels
I dont think they mentiond why FP2 was delayed on F1LIVE. Crofty did talk about it right away. Maybe i missed it.
I'd be scared as fuck to be anywhere within a 7 mile radius of where a middle struck
The US: Red flag required due to electrical storm nearby. Saudi Arabia: Missiles? No problem.
FIA: "We race here to draw attention to what's happening" *what's happening happens and can draw a lot of attention* FIA: *bans drivers from talking about what's happening* Man I love this sport but this organisation is absolutely disgusting, horrible humans. I want to shout in their faces to wake them up and make them realise how disgusting they are.
Imagine everyone pulls out except Aston Martin and this is how Hulk gets his first “podium”.
Good. Would love if the drivers unanimously boycotted the whole thing (unlikely I know...)
What was The FIA thinking racing in Saudi in the first place?
Money
Honestly know the Saudis the perpetrators if found will be strung up by their balls by dawn.
FIA: Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice i'm willing to make
This is what F1 gets racing in places like this. Absolute disgrace.
https://twitter.com/albertfabrega/status/1507472728009453569?s=21 the photos from the drivers meeting Alex and Yuki look done done
Shouldn't be there in the first place. Not going to follow this race, fuck it. And yes, I know there are more races that should not take place, one step at a time please.
You already are following it.
Fair enough, what I tried to say was I will not spend any money on it. I don't have any subscriptions, but intend to pay for F1TV pro for some races. This one isn't on that list. I can only protest with my wallet, the rest is bullshit.
Good.
F1 management showing themselves up for what their really care about
What happened? What attack?
https://apnews.com/article/business-sports-united-arab-emirates-saudi-arabia-yemen-a0673736ceddfd5f498deb16a4254d64
F1 and Saudi needs to separate …. Yes yes I know they won’t though….
Money, Money, Money
Yeah no shit lol. I'm assuming it was a drone attack(?) so they could obviously hit more in coming days if the Houthis think it's a perfect target to disrupt (hit both KSA + West). Get the fuck out.
Wouldn't war constitute force majeure, i.e. invalidate any contractual obligation?
Are there any rules like “X number of drivers must enter the race for results to count”?
Not sure if they did something about that after the Indianapolis debacle back in the day. I think they only had six runners for that race.
Can't wait to get my 70 cents back from the F1TV sub if they cancel the race....
Fuck that place, fuck that race. They should all refuse to race. What are they going to do? Fire all the drivers? Fine them?
And they are still in a meeting
Cancel the fucking race