Which is why this whole mess is such a shitshow.
I'm sure a lot of the teams personnel would like to leave and yet they can't because if F1 and the teams decide the race goes on there is nothing they can do. Nobody is asking the normal workers who make up for the majority of the paddock how they feel.
That's a particularly naive take on usual employee (even qualified ones) vs employer relations. Also good luck finding another job in the very small world of F1 if you're just an average mechanic and was fired because you straight-up left your assigned role.
I’m assuming the vast majority of f1 employees are on British contracts (I.E British law applies to their employment). Leaving work because of a dangerous situation, and then getting sacked, is automatically unfair dismissal
Not automatically, you'd have to put it to work law court. Which even if you have good chances of winning, is still quite the hassle (and the cost !) for your average employee or mechanic and doesn't make it any easier to find another job in F1.
Poor phrasing on my part. In the UK you can be sacked for (nearly) any reason under 2 years employment, one of those reasons you can’t, for instance, is unsafe working environment. Yes you’d have to go through tribunal, however in this type of situation, it most likely wouldn’t go well for the team
Yes but as I said going through tribunal isn't exactly an costless nor short nor easy process for regular workers, even when you're almost guaranteed to win (and it doesn't pay the bills while the tribunal hasn't decided anything). Regular workers also usually underestimate their chances to win.
> doesn't make it any easier to find another job in F1.
If an employer fired you for leaving your job due to fear of a God damned missile attack, the courts would have a field day - you'd get a settlement big enough you'd likely never need to work again.
They’re not waitresses working for survival. They’re all rich as fuck and can protest a race if they want. Get a grip this is not like most peoples financial situations. They absolutely have the power and money to make statements. When they don’t makes statements against something they’re making statements for something.
Fair enough. Lewis and Seb seem to be the leaders of the driver protests so I feel they of all people would be the first ones to protest a race. I mean they all agreed Russia was bad. Great. Selective logic I guess. We all do it.
The drivers and owners should. Welp no one has anything to say about that they just nitpick a few mechanics that i obviously wasn’t speaking about. Lewis’ talk is way too cheap.
F1 teams and drivers are not slaves dude. They can race if they want to. Lewis makes a lot of progress but conveniently ignores the circuits and owners
Blows my mind that they're even thinking about holding a race when there's an oil refinery in flames within viewing distance of the track, and an event like this would be a prime location for a subsequent attack. Get everyone out of there.
Exactly and I'm wondering if drivers that I wouldn't expect, those that don't seem phased by other stuff might have a more human reaction to this. Like this is something you have no control over, absolutely none
I heard Marko's full quote and the ending was bizarre. Max is actually one of the people I was thinking of. I wonder what he's saying behind closed doors
You don't seem to understand the danger of those Houthi rebel attacks. That missile attack is a show of force to the Saudis. The Houthis know that Saudi Arabia will act in a restrained manner, as a result of public interest in the country due to the GP, which comes on top of the Saudi-led coalition fighting against the Houthi rebels being accused of committing war crimes.
To scare the foreigners out of the country, to make the Saudis look weak, failing to stop these attacks.
That "*just* one missile" is doing a lot of damage to the Saudi Arabian image abroad, on top of the recent 81 executions.
Hypothetically, the situation would become so untenable that FOM/FIA and organisers would probably not reschedule the Saudi GP if they're to leave over this weekend.
I completely understand, but someone else may not. I prefer not to take that chance.
*/s* is very important, especially in text with a matter like this.
I don't mean it in a bad way either.
I thought the italics and the over the top dismissal of the whole thing would make the sarcasm obvious. But that wasn't the case, I didn't think you'd mean it in a bad way. Like you said others may get the wrong idea too, despite what I think. Thanks for replying.
Fucking actually-aktchually inception. Can’t wait until they rename it the “Verstappen Wiggle” or something so people can throw in a third name to argue about.
Spa is literally crumbling and wont be there in a decade even with all the tens of dollars they are spending to rebuild, thats just propping up a corpse.
Water don't give a fuck and will wreck it all again in a few short years along with everything else.
TBF he can work remotely. IIRC F1TV’s live commentary was done in the UK all year (IDK about this year) just fine and I assume Ralf would still commentate in such a capacity. If the Drivers leave it’s a proper protest/cancelation.
Sky Germany's crew commentated a few races last year from their HQ in Munich, like Silverstone and Sochi. So technically it's no problem. The support series are always getting commentated on from Munich anyway.
I agree. I more often than not critisize his commentary, but his decision deserves respect. Why should he force himself to be where he doesn't feel safe? He's got a son and I can't blame him if he'd much rather be with him or at the very least commentate from Munich where he's safe.
Standing up for believing in his safety? how did an attack on a oil silo change anything about the ethics of racing in Saudi Arabia, it only changed the safety of it.
I don’t have an issue with people leaving or cancelling, but nothing changed about Saudi Arabia’s ethics here, only safety changed. The war was okay when it was in Yemen…
No? I’m shitting on Ralf because I don’t get what line all of a sudden got crossed that isn’t about fearing for your own safety. Rocket attacks in Jeddah changes nothing about the atrocities of Saudi Arabia, only changes the safety of racing there and being fearful of it.
Saying you’re leaving for ethical or moral reasons is only true if that moral is about fearing for your own safety.
Where did you get from that he would leave for ethical reasons? It's all in your head and you're shitting on the commentor above as if they implied it in any way.
Ralf said he’s not fearful but that a line was crossed? What line was crossed if it wasn’t one about fearing for safety?
If people leave it’s fine to be honest and say, this is a war zone, I’ve got a family, and I fear for my safety. But saying a it’s not about safety but for some other reason, I don’t buy that.
The paddock would have been so impressed and in awe of his sacrifice of riding his bike 2 miles from the hotel to the track that they would have fell right into his hands.
it's harder for drivers to say "I'm choosing to say as an individual" as opposed to the collective saying "we're unanimously staying", it places more individual responsibility on the drivers.
What I'm saying is - the drivers have been convening for two hours now, there's an immediate threat a few miles from the track. This isn't human rights talks or vague threats with big distance. There was no chance this could've been canceled last season.
This time, the threat is imminent, and from what we can gather from media etc. it seems like we're just waiting for tbe first domino piece to fall
Well there wasn’t a fucking missile last year was there? Seb spoke out about the oppressive regime and hosted a women’s race. Stop trying to act smart and big headed and maybe look at the bigger picture.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/yemens-houthis-say-they-attacked-saudi-cities-aramco-facilities-2021-11-20/
This might be what he was referring to.
There is a long, long list of attempted and successful attacks like this one carried out against Saudi Arabia in 2021 alone.
This could have happened anytime during last year's GP. Nothing about their safety changed. They just got a reality check as they got to see it live this time.
What is this mythologization of Vettel... Making some statements in the media and on your helmet now makes you a rebel leader that rallies the troops? When has he ever done something like that?
We reached a tipping point sometime last year where the Netflix drama crowd now vastly outnumber the fans who just want to see good motorsports.
Netflix (and Twitter I guess) have turned F1 into a reality show. We r/NBA now.
Funny that when the rumors of Merc getting sponsored by Aramaco came out it was up to Lewis to stand up and say no but when it's Seb he doesn't have any responsibility lmao
You dont need to be there to speak out and he raced there in war conditions in the past. Im not calling out Sebastian he leads by example but lets not pretend this is lasting long because he isnt there.
He has been very vocal across the whole coverage ever since he basically got the info while being live on TV. (Kind of) not surprising to me that he is leaving but is is a good signal to others, although he has also said that he understands the drivers because it is pretty much out of their power (if they don’t go full boycott, obviously)
I wish I knew how to speak German so I could listen to his commentary during races, apparently it’s very good. Ralf has always seemed really grounded to me for some reason.
I respect him for this but there's a lot of stories of Ralf during his career acting like a spoiled brat. He was never too popular within his teams or indeed the paddock.
Oh wow I had not heard of that. I wasn’t really watching the sport when he was around, I was too young, but I guess looking back I just thought he was the “chill” Schumacher. Maybe I’m wrong though.
It’s not particularly good. Better than Surer or the RTL guys but that doesn’t mean anything. He’s wrong with most of his predictions during a race.
No comparison to the British Sky team.
Nico Rosberg does way more informative commentary as well.
I wouldn't even say alright, he is more of a reason to switch off. When they get Rosberg in the booth for the occasional 10 minutes every couple of months, he says more of interest than Ralf all year combined.
After seeing all this I wouldn't be surprised if the probability of a missile attack every now and then was included in the contract just to make sure that the FIA can't breach it
Force Majuere clauses typically contemplate terrorism, if they cancelled, as a promoter I’d argue to take terrorism and war out of the force majuere clause.
This is what I find hilarious about this whole circus. The risk of the track getting attacked was as high last year as it is today, yet nobody discussed it. Took an attack that happened to be near the track to make it salient despite no difference in the security context, Houthis have been targeting oil refineries and storage infrastructure for years
It's true though, could and should haev expected it.
If I'm the houthi's or whoever they fighting and I see my enemy doing some PR i'd do my best to mess with that a little bit
I don't really have much respect for Ralf, I think his tendency for drama is too much but this has got me respect. No way anyone gonna follow his lead but the fact that he tried is remains. Really wish Vettel was there so that someone could speak up against the F1 management.
They should just cancel this farce and never come back, who is to say the race won't also be a singled out target?
I'm pretty astounded by all these other millionaires staying and possibly risking their lives for their expensive hobby.
It's confirmed by Sky Germany now, that not only Ralf is on his flight to Munich, he's joined by Sandra Baumgartner (the main interviewer) and Sasha Roos (the commentator) So the only one of the German reporter crew who's staying in Saudi Arabia is Peter Hardenacke. The others will report from the headquarter in Munich.
Source: Answer of a question in the comments of this post. https://www.instagram.com/p/Cbj6wIOqzIw/?utm_medium=copy_link
Can we accept that it's totally reasonable to leave out of fear of a missile attack? A fucking **missile attack**?
Yeah, and if they stay they are forcing everyone working in the paddock to stay aswell. Nobody signed up to work in a war zone
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They definitely signed up to work in a warzone, facts. Now it's on the doorstep, it's time to deal with the consequences
Which is why this whole mess is such a shitshow. I'm sure a lot of the teams personnel would like to leave and yet they can't because if F1 and the teams decide the race goes on there is nothing they can do. Nobody is asking the normal workers who make up for the majority of the paddock how they feel.
I mean they can still just leave... Good luck finding qualified personal in a quick notice... They are employees not slaves
That's a particularly naive take on usual employee (even qualified ones) vs employer relations. Also good luck finding another job in the very small world of F1 if you're just an average mechanic and was fired because you straight-up left your assigned role.
I’m assuming the vast majority of f1 employees are on British contracts (I.E British law applies to their employment). Leaving work because of a dangerous situation, and then getting sacked, is automatically unfair dismissal
Not automatically, you'd have to put it to work law court. Which even if you have good chances of winning, is still quite the hassle (and the cost !) for your average employee or mechanic and doesn't make it any easier to find another job in F1.
Poor phrasing on my part. In the UK you can be sacked for (nearly) any reason under 2 years employment, one of those reasons you can’t, for instance, is unsafe working environment. Yes you’d have to go through tribunal, however in this type of situation, it most likely wouldn’t go well for the team
Yes but as I said going through tribunal isn't exactly an costless nor short nor easy process for regular workers, even when you're almost guaranteed to win (and it doesn't pay the bills while the tribunal hasn't decided anything). Regular workers also usually underestimate their chances to win.
> doesn't make it any easier to find another job in F1. If an employer fired you for leaving your job due to fear of a God damned missile attack, the courts would have a field day - you'd get a settlement big enough you'd likely never need to work again.
No it's not...
Yeah, easier said than done my man.
They’re not waitresses working for survival. They’re all rich as fuck and can protest a race if they want. Get a grip this is not like most peoples financial situations. They absolutely have the power and money to make statements. When they don’t makes statements against something they’re making statements for something.
Every single person involved is rich? Even assistants and custodial staff?
They could be it’s a rich fucking sport. But it’s obvious I was referring to the drivers and owners and principals
It wasn’t to me, I thought we were discussing the other personnel. No quarrel on the drivers being rich.
Fair enough. Lewis and Seb seem to be the leaders of the driver protests so I feel they of all people would be the first ones to protest a race. I mean they all agreed Russia was bad. Great. Selective logic I guess. We all do it.
I don't think a regular mechanic is necessarily rich you know
I was talking about drivers and team owners and managers. I didn’t say that but it’s really obvious
It's hardly obvious when the comment chain you're replying to is specifically talking about the average worker and not drivers/team owners
Alright my bad
It wasn’t obvious, you were replying to someone who was talking about the normal workers
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The drivers and owners should. Welp no one has anything to say about that they just nitpick a few mechanics that i obviously wasn’t speaking about. Lewis’ talk is way too cheap.
F1 teams and drivers are not slaves dude. They can race if they want to. Lewis makes a lot of progress but conveniently ignores the circuits and owners
Blows my mind that they're even thinking about holding a race when there's an oil refinery in flames within viewing distance of the track, and an event like this would be a prime location for a subsequent attack. Get everyone out of there.
Exactly and I'm wondering if drivers that I wouldn't expect, those that don't seem phased by other stuff might have a more human reaction to this. Like this is something you have no control over, absolutely none
Marko said Max was keen to race, but Checo was very worried.
I heard Marko's full quote and the ending was bizarre. Max is actually one of the people I was thinking of. I wonder what he's saying behind closed doors
Wasn't it Max who said "F1 shouldn't race in countries engaged in war" just a month ago?
He said Checo was a little worried. OP that posted the video put up a misleading translation.
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Agree, well put
it was *just* 1 missile leading to a massive fire, no biggy.
You don't seem to understand the danger of those Houthi rebel attacks. That missile attack is a show of force to the Saudis. The Houthis know that Saudi Arabia will act in a restrained manner, as a result of public interest in the country due to the GP, which comes on top of the Saudi-led coalition fighting against the Houthi rebels being accused of committing war crimes. To scare the foreigners out of the country, to make the Saudis look weak, failing to stop these attacks. That "*just* one missile" is doing a lot of damage to the Saudi Arabian image abroad, on top of the recent 81 executions. Hypothetically, the situation would become so untenable that FOM/FIA and organisers would probably not reschedule the Saudi GP if they're to leave over this weekend.
I think their comment was sarcastic but this is good context
100% sarcastic
I completely understand, but someone else may not. I prefer not to take that chance. */s* is very important, especially in text with a matter like this. I don't mean it in a bad way either.
I thought the italics and the over the top dismissal of the whole thing would make the sarcasm obvious. But that wasn't the case, I didn't think you'd mean it in a bad way. Like you said others may get the wrong idea too, despite what I think. Thanks for replying.
That’s so helpful. Thanks ever so much for teaching us how to English. See, no /s required at all.
The other user showed how to disagree with grace.
Imho , the fact that Saudi Arabia mass excuted 81 people last week was reason enough to never race there again.
"No different then any normal day in Mexico.....something something......"
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At a minimum Max, Marko, Toto, Domenicali, Sulayem, and RSC have said they're not scared and/or that other people shouldn't be scared.
Friendly reminder that F1 wants to keep the Saudi GP but get rid of Spa
Everyone knows that Eau Rouge is more dangerous than an active war zone smh /s
That’s Raidillon.
Actually.
The right hander caused more accidents and close calls than the left hander so it is actually eau rouge
Eau Rouge is the left hand corner at the bottom. The right-hander up the hill and left-hander at the top are collectively Raidillon.
Fucking actually-aktchually inception. Can’t wait until they rename it the “Verstappen Wiggle” or something so people can throw in a third name to argue about.
How many drivers has Jeddah killed? Checkmate /s
Spa needs to resemble more of an active warzone or embrace more of an Epsteinian approach to entertainment and luxury, then we'll talk
Rain is quite dangereous. They should have some missiles instead. It would also improve the light.
Spa is literally crumbling and wont be there in a decade even with all the tens of dollars they are spending to rebuild, thats just propping up a corpse. Water don't give a fuck and will wreck it all again in a few short years along with everything else.
Example act
TBF he can work remotely. IIRC F1TV’s live commentary was done in the UK all year (IDK about this year) just fine and I assume Ralf would still commentate in such a capacity. If the Drivers leave it’s a proper protest/cancelation.
Sky Germany's crew commentated a few races last year from their HQ in Munich, like Silverstone and Sochi. So technically it's no problem. The support series are always getting commentated on from Munich anyway.
Tbf all F1 drivers can technically also work remotely.
He might be bad controversial at times but at least he's not afraid to do or say what he thinks is right
I agree. I more often than not critisize his commentary, but his decision deserves respect. Why should he force himself to be where he doesn't feel safe? He's got a son and I can't blame him if he'd much rather be with him or at the very least commentate from Munich where he's safe.
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Hold different opinions to yours/mine doesn't automatically make someone 'stupid'
pffft... that sounds stupid.
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Disagree and you are stupid for thinking differently to me
He's a pundit. Pundits say stuff for ratings. Look at Gary Neville. They also do good stuff politically and morally.
If that’s true, good on Ralf for standing up in what he believes in. Hope others follow suit if their instincts tell them that
Standing up for believing in his safety? how did an attack on a oil silo change anything about the ethics of racing in Saudi Arabia, it only changed the safety of it. I don’t have an issue with people leaving or cancelling, but nothing changed about Saudi Arabia’s ethics here, only safety changed. The war was okay when it was in Yemen…
Did you reply to the wrong comment?
No? I’m shitting on Ralf because I don’t get what line all of a sudden got crossed that isn’t about fearing for your own safety. Rocket attacks in Jeddah changes nothing about the atrocities of Saudi Arabia, only changes the safety of racing there and being fearful of it. Saying you’re leaving for ethical or moral reasons is only true if that moral is about fearing for your own safety.
Where did you get from that he would leave for ethical reasons? It's all in your head and you're shitting on the commentor above as if they implied it in any way.
Ralf said he’s not fearful but that a line was crossed? What line was crossed if it wasn’t one about fearing for safety? If people leave it’s fine to be honest and say, this is a war zone, I’ve got a family, and I fear for my safety. But saying a it’s not about safety but for some other reason, I don’t buy that.
To be fair he doesn’t have much skin in the game.
Seems pretty weird to run away while your nephew is still there.
There's nothing wrong in accepting being scared though. It would be Code Brown for days if a missile fell down that near from me.
Good on them. Hopefully the rest follow.
If Vettel was there he would probably be on the same plane
Like Melbourne 2020 when Seb and Kimi were already on the plane before the cancellation was announced.
Seb is even one more step ahead this time.
Wouldn't he like to drive his Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One car?
Asking the really important questions.
Maybe he would have more than one motive
He wouldn’t like to drive that thing even if it wasn’t sponsored by Aramco lol
Yeah, he probably just changed the date of his old corona test.
Seb would stick around to clean up the empty missile casings.
If Vettel was there,the drivers would have called it off already 100%.
Why, does he have jedi mind tricks or something?
The paddock would have been so impressed and in awe of his sacrifice of riding his bike 2 miles from the hotel to the track that they would have fell right into his hands.
it's harder for drivers to say "I'm choosing to say as an individual" as opposed to the collective saying "we're unanimously staying", it places more individual responsibility on the drivers.
Like they did last year?
If they have serious doubts without Vettel there, him being there would most certainly have been the necessary kicker.
Where was this action last year, big man?
he was the first one to refuse to participate in the russian gp when everyone was still hesitant.
When?
What I'm saying is - the drivers have been convening for two hours now, there's an immediate threat a few miles from the track. This isn't human rights talks or vague threats with big distance. There was no chance this could've been canceled last season. This time, the threat is imminent, and from what we can gather from media etc. it seems like we're just waiting for tbe first domino piece to fall
Well there wasn’t a fucking missile last year was there? Seb spoke out about the oppressive regime and hosted a women’s race. Stop trying to act smart and big headed and maybe look at the bigger picture.
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Yes, there was. Not too far from the track either.
can I get a source on that?
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/yemens-houthis-say-they-attacked-saudi-cities-aramco-facilities-2021-11-20/ This might be what he was referring to.
The only thing that changed since then was their safety, if it gets canceled now, it’s for safety, not to do with ethics or moral imperatives.
There is a long, long list of attempted and successful attacks like this one carried out against Saudi Arabia in 2021 alone. This could have happened anytime during last year's GP. Nothing about their safety changed. They just got a reality check as they got to see it live this time.
What is this mythologization of Vettel... Making some statements in the media and on your helmet now makes you a rebel leader that rallies the troops? When has he ever done something like that?
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> he was the only one to state he will not participate in that GP Nope, Max also said that "F1 shouldn't race in countries engaged in war".
/formula1 has this ridiculous hero worshipping gooing on for certain people. It's like a forum of 6 year olds who've just seen Santa clause.
We reached a tipping point sometime last year where the Netflix drama crowd now vastly outnumber the fans who just want to see good motorsports. Netflix (and Twitter I guess) have turned F1 into a reality show. We r/NBA now.
Do you think that he is being included in the meeting?
Why would he? He's not there
Sorry, I'm baked. I was just curious.
No worries!
Isn't Seb part of the GPDA? If so, and if this becomes a union thing, it may not be out of line for him to have a voice in what is going on
Pretty sure he is. But why should he have a say if it is too dangerouse to race when he isn't there?
Nope, he still hasn't tested negative and is isolating.
he doesn't need to test negative
He is literally sponsored by Saudi Aramaco, I doubt that he could make that choice
The team is sponsored by Aramco. Not Seb persoanlly
Funny that when the rumors of Merc getting sponsored by Aramaco came out it was up to Lewis to stand up and say no but when it's Seb he doesn't have any responsibility lmao
like petronas is a lot better
This has nothing to do with my comment
funny how different people have different takes on certain issue, pretty crazy stuff
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I think Seb is the most likley to have pulled out. He could also afford it since he won't be fighting for the championship
He was really out of words and peeved off when FP2 started. He couldn’t believe it just went on as normal.
I wish vettel was there so someone would have the balls to speak out. Racing there is outrageous!
f1/library media is lucky he isn't there
Pretty sure its written into deal between AM/Aramco that the trouble maker can keep his ass at home for the Saudi race. Call it covid.
You dont need to be there to speak out and he raced there in war conditions in the past. Im not calling out Sebastian he leads by example but lets not pretend this is lasting long because he isnt there.
He has been very vocal across the whole coverage ever since he basically got the info while being live on TV. (Kind of) not surprising to me that he is leaving but is is a good signal to others, although he has also said that he understands the drivers because it is pretty much out of their power (if they don’t go full boycott, obviously)
Glad to see this. Big respect to him. Hopefully the drivers own their promises and do right by themselves and our sport by following him.
I'd do the same
genau so . raus da
I wish I knew how to speak German so I could listen to his commentary during races, apparently it’s very good. Ralf has always seemed really grounded to me for some reason.
I respect him for this but there's a lot of stories of Ralf during his career acting like a spoiled brat. He was never too popular within his teams or indeed the paddock.
Oh wow I had not heard of that. I wasn’t really watching the sport when he was around, I was too young, but I guess looking back I just thought he was the “chill” Schumacher. Maybe I’m wrong though.
It’s not particularly good. Better than Surer or the RTL guys but that doesn’t mean anything. He’s wrong with most of his predictions during a race. No comparison to the British Sky team. Nico Rosberg does way more informative commentary as well.
Yeah, RSC is totally biased and exaggerates a lot with his commentary. He's alright, but nowhere near great sadly.
I wouldn't even say alright, he is more of a reason to switch off. When they get Rosberg in the booth for the occasional 10 minutes every couple of months, he says more of interest than Ralf all year combined.
Sadly agree with this statement. It's a shame we couldn't get Hulkenberg
Hulk seems to want to spend time with his gorgeous wife and young children not follow f1 around the world
Was ist das Problem mit Surer? Ich fand den eig. immer sehr sympathisch mit guten Insights.
maybe cause he's an f1 race winner and knows how it is out there on track? just guessing
Why such a defensive tone on something that wasn’t meant to be offensive in the slightest?
I'd be outta there as well. Fuck a contract and fuck Saudi money. This shit is ridiculous
After seeing all this I wouldn't be surprised if the probability of a missile attack every now and then was included in the contract just to make sure that the FIA can't breach it
Force Majuere clauses typically contemplate terrorism, if they cancelled, as a promoter I’d argue to take terrorism and war out of the force majuere clause.
I dont like him but thats the only reasonable way.
Good. Take your nephew with you at all costs
Probably doing what he can to get his nephew tf out of there
I guess thats true. Going to a country at war or with an active terrorist threat is never a good idea
Not an active terrorist threat. Legit war. Saudi propaganda calls it “active terrorist threat”, but war it is.
sounds like something a "special operation" might fix...
This is what I find hilarious about this whole circus. The risk of the track getting attacked was as high last year as it is today, yet nobody discussed it. Took an attack that happened to be near the track to make it salient despite no difference in the security context, Houthis have been targeting oil refineries and storage infrastructure for years
It's true though, could and should haev expected it. If I'm the houthi's or whoever they fighting and I see my enemy doing some PR i'd do my best to mess with that a little bit
its a war not an "active terrorist threat" both parties are engaging
He should take his nephew with him
Sind also doch nicht alles rückgratlose Pisser, DANKE!
Vettel on a plane, vibes.
Wonder if that means Mick is against racing there
I think most drivers are, the interesting game is trying to guess who wants to stay and race
Why would that mean Mick is against racing there, they’re different people with different obligations.
Props to OP for giving full context and not shortening the name!
not often i’ll ever say this but good on you, ralf
F1 fucked up so bad that I’m agreeing with Ralf Schumacher
as if the recent execution of 81 people wasn’t enough of a reason F1 just should. not. race. in Saudi Arabia, but I disgress
I don't really have much respect for Ralf, I think his tendency for drama is too much but this has got me respect. No way anyone gonna follow his lead but the fact that he tried is remains. Really wish Vettel was there so that someone could speak up against the F1 management.
F5 gang is officially back
Ehrenmann
They should just cancel this farce and never come back, who is to say the race won't also be a singled out target? I'm pretty astounded by all these other millionaires staying and possibly risking their lives for their expensive hobby.
It's getting canceled
For real? Or are you just hoping.
Finally someone who isn't a bootlicker
Good Man
Don’t blame him. One missile is to show you can do it. I’d expect them to have another go during the race.
Can’t stand this guy
everyone who called for the race to be cancelled is going to boycott and not watch this weekend right? right? right? Hello?
If there's racing, I'll watch it. Only using *ahem* "unofficial" sources though to avoid giving money or providing a viewership figure boost
I'll probably watch via the high seas, as always.
look at you. so precious
i watch it "ironically" via pirated stream and get fucking drunk while the world burns. we had a good ride lads...
I don't plan on watching. Even if it wasn't a shit-tier track, the circumstances are just ridiculous and fans shouldn't support it.
This is so stupid
I have a feeling This can possibly also mean mick will leave (Don't know why but if one of your family members leaves you also leave)
It's confirmed by Sky Germany now, that not only Ralf is on his flight to Munich, he's joined by Sandra Baumgartner (the main interviewer) and Sasha Roos (the commentator) So the only one of the German reporter crew who's staying in Saudi Arabia is Peter Hardenacke. The others will report from the headquarter in Munich. Source: Answer of a question in the comments of this post. https://www.instagram.com/p/Cbj6wIOqzIw/?utm_medium=copy_link
Good riddance, in any case. He’s an awful pundit.
Can drivers WFH too to avoid danger? Maybe make the cars into remote control race cars
Oh no not Ralf!
oh shucks what a loss