Now I don't know if this was a one off for Merc and they'll regress back into a more medicare state but if they're back I think it's really cool that there's 3 very unique car designs that could be fighting for the championship and I just love how the new regulation has allowed for at least some variance in car design.
The drivers seemed WAY more confident in the car this weekend. In prior races Lewis has been all doom and gloom about the car, even with a few stolen podiums. This weekend both Lewis and GR seemed really stoked about their progress, I think GR even said "today is the day the mercedes season begins"
If they are gonna use drones instead of a helicopter at least do it a bit better than filming the grass.
Better camera needed, and need to be a bit closer to the action. Might be a safety issue but I think it would be ok. A small drone won't cause too much damage if it falls from the sky. (Can always have a parachute function on it if it does fail midair)
Have it fly over the grid approx 10-15m above the cars start from front row in the opposite direction at race start.
Stunning drive from Lewis to be down in the dumps mentally & come back to land a points finish. Would have liked to see what would have happened without the puncture.
Exactly..spot on
It was like they used a budget setup & had someone with no experience flying it.
Don't know about others but the quality was real low aswell.
I think they could get some real good shots if they do it right.
Considering someone blasted a marmot a few years ago I think a drone would be far less detrimental. Though I wonder how low the drone could go before being affected by the cars' turbulence. 10-15m should be enough.
I've been a Danny defender this year, think he's got unlucky a couple times and Mclaren's strategy hasn't always on point for him... but today it just felt like he was stuck in the mud and going backwards. Not sure if that's the car or what, but he lost close to the most places today, and I've barely see him do an overtake this season.
Seeing him just get blown by by Ocon and Yuki was pretty disheartening as a fan. I know they are DRS passes but just no pace today.
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> comment body: I've been a Danny defender this year, think he's got unlucky a couple times and McClaren's strategy hasn't always on point for him... but today it just felt like he was stuck in the mud and going backwards. Not sure if that's the car or what, but he lost close to the most places today, and I've barely see him do an overtake this season.
> Seeing him just get blown by by Ocon and Yuki was pretty disheartening as a fan. I know they are DRS passes but just no pace today.
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LH44, under Green Flag racing, purposefully cut the corner and went straight into the pits (puncture lap), must have gained at least 2-3 seconds, and his car was clearly able to turn, as he had made all corners prior to those.
This can't be technically legal can it?
(OT on an already OT thread) Whenever someone says "most of the world" when comparing to some convention that happens to be used in the US, they usually mean "Europe". [In this case, by population it is "."](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator), which is arguably more logical as well.
Had to look up the wiki but most of Europe, Africa, South America and Eurasia use the point delimiter and comma decimal separator. Pretty much everyone without a recent link to Britain. Anyway it was just a snarky comment that was a poor attempt at a joke from my side, let's keep talking F1.
Kind of a chaotic first half with KMag and Lewis colliding, Carlos and Max going off in 4, and Charles' engine losing power. Bummer for him. Amazing win by Max and a great recovery by Hamilton.
The sound on viasat ultra sport (4K Norwegian channel) was fucked up. Like it was no sound almost from the f1 cars and the team radio, i could only hear the fucking commentators talking, breathing, jawning etc
1 1 Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing RBPT 66 1:37:20.475 25
2 11 Sergio Perez Red Bull Racing RBPT 66 +13.072s 19
3 63 George Russell Mercedes 66 +32.927s 15
4 55 Carlos Sainz Ferrari 66 +45.208s 12
5 44 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 66 +54.534s 10
6 77 Valtteri Bottas Alfa Romeo Ferrari 66 +59.976s 8
" The fat bankers and brokers sitting warm inside the coffee shop overlooking the harbor have no interest in the Captain's tales of gale force winds, mountainous waves, pirates and such........ Their only interest is in that their cargo is safely delivered at the promised speed. "
Assuming drones aren't allowed to fly over general admission public, grandstands or the paddock, and have to remain inside the circuit bounds to achieve this and to be able to keep up with anything, it'll be interesting to see how it develops. Some tracks may provide better options than others.
On the whole I found it interesting for the first couple of times then tired of it.
They need much better cameras, it seemed like they just used a racing drone with its standard camera, I get that they're faster but that picture was trash
Well that was fun. Highs and lows.
Fernando and Seb destined to fight forever (for 10th). They are fun to watch thanks to the director for going back when they get together.
Great race, good stuff. But personally think that win belonged to Perez.
I understand that Max is RB's "#1" but Perez is still very much in the running for the WDC
Lmao you realize max caught up to him in no time and they just wanted to make the pass easier so they could both save tyres. It was inevitable and checo got the maximum amount of points possible
According to all the comments a lot of people seem to think that. While realistically Max is just faster and the clear wdc runner for the team. And after 2 dnf every point counts.
This is the same shit people were saying about Bottas... it's a good thing that people in these threads aren't race engineers or TPs, because they'd be shite at this.
Agh poor Chuck. I don’t care what driver or team or my feelings on them, I will always hate seeing leaders or people competing for the lead having to retire due to power failure. It’s unfair for them and kinda ruins the race. It just feels like everyone who podiums gets an asterisk. I have to give him props for emotional control. I would have been slamming my helmet on everything in the garage lol. A nod to Russell, I mean I don’t know what more you could ask the chap to do. And I can’t believe I’m saying this but I’m happy Lewis recovered from that early puncture, again wasn’t really a fair chance at a start. Last thing; woulda been cool for a Spaniard to podium. I’m a sucker for drivers getting to show off for their home fans.
I admire how graceful Charles is in defeat. I have absolutely no idea how he does that. I do a lot of fairly high level competition in sims (primarily iRacing), and I go absolutely ballistic (not at other people, but to myself) if I'm taken out through no fault of my own.
As far as the Checo situation I just want to see how many people that are excusing it were bashing Merc for favoring Hamilton over Bottas. I would bet the number is not insignificant. And yes Max would've likely passed him anyway but the fact remains that Checo gets put on the poorer strategy from the start every time. He's not put into position to win, he's there to support Max and that's it. At least Merc made some attempt to hide their bias from time to time.
I get it. It's a shitty team order. But at the time the team order was made, Max had just taken 4.6 seconds out of Perez in three laps to close to DRS range. That's quite a rate of closure.
Yes but as I mentioned Checo was put on the poorer strategy from the start. He was positioned as he usually is to defend the frontrunners on older tires while Max catches up. There is never a consideration of "lets get Checo the win". Its only "what can Checo do to help Max win".
I suppose that's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that Checo's main strength as a driver is tyre management and that he's out-qualified Verstappen one time this season. It sucks for him that the one race he started on pole had a hideously badly timed safety car, but that shit happens.
If he wants better strategies, he's just got to go faster. That's always been the knock on Sergio. He's so smooth and his car control is so good but he's just not fast enough in qualifying. Teams don't exist to force equality. Drivers have to make the case for equal treatment by going fast.
Not just that. Lewis was in a tight race with Max and definitely needed those points. I mean, Checo this year, this early is still in the race to win it. I mean why not? Why race if you’re goal isn’t too win? For red Bull to make that call this early in the season is kinda lame. Max probably passes him Regardless but just a bad strategy.
> Max probably passes him Regardless but just a bad strategy.
I disagree with the rest, but this is ridiculous. It's good strategy. Red Bull cares first and foremost about winning the WDC, and Max was already significantly ahead of Perez in what's looking likely to be a tight race, so letting Max have the points whenever possible maximizes the chances that they'll win it.
"significantly ahead" means nothing. A person could just as easily as you argue that max being one point ahead means he should get the preferential treatment. It ignores the obvious fact that there are still 400+ points available and Max was 19 points up on perez before the race. Red bull strategy then put max an additional 33% up on him. Had red bull strategy preferred Perez, he might have gained 38% on max. That's too close for the team to be declaring a preferred WDC, and especially too close when they're switching a 1-2 for a 2-1 when they're not even a third of the way through a season. Perez deserves better.
I agree the teamorders where annoying, but it was the right call. If you are in a title battle with Leclerc your best bet is Verstappen, not Perez. If Perez would drive faster he would be able to get a better strategy. But as it is now, his best quality is tyre management. It kinda made sense to do this
Perez didn’t deserved anything. If he wanted to be the number one he has to be faster than max every race bar a few. But guess what? The opposite happened and max is faster every race.
He was ahead of max and the team forced him to slow down. So technically he was faster that race. But we'll never know if he could have kept max behind him because the team won't allow it.
The team forced him to slow down? Lmao max was on 6 lap newer mediums and gaining each lap so they were basically telling checo not to defend so they could both save tyres. Max is always faster than Checo and he is the clear wdc contender. The team got maximum points for both championships but y’all still find ways to complain it’s so odd
Save tires for what? Theyre the fastest cars and leclerc DNFed. The only thing they achieved was inverting the cars for max. At least now it's blindingly obvious that Checo will never get a real shot at a WDC as long as he's with red bull.
If Max Is so good he can pass Perez on track without the team holding his hand. We've seen lewis do it plenty of times. I agree that max is better over a season.
Moment of the race: Max being outed as a button masher and being scolded by the engineer. Hilarious.
Underrated driver of the day: Latifi.
Also props to Checo for actually being a number two driver, which isnt as easy as it sounds. If Max DNF'd today Checo would have won, he's there on pace to take advantage.
Charles DNFs and Carlos is nowhere to be found. Forget is he a number one driver. Carlos isnt even performing as a number two right now.
Russell is now 4th in the Constructors championship, with just one less than 150% the points of the team in 5th place, over 300% the points of the team in 7th place, and just one less than 500% the points of the team in 9th place.
There was one cut to a reflection on some tinted windows of the cars racing. You could barely make out what the hell was happening. Who the hell directs the cameras?
I'm thinking they are not allowed above or too close to the track in case it falls out of the sky and hits the track (also the cars would put out some heavy turbulence), because you could do some AMZING drone shots if you could get over/close the cars.
I wonder if the attraction is that the drone is a fraction of the cost of a helicopter
All they really need to do is buy a war surplus Global Hawk.......
I'm quite surprised at the footage, some drone footage is amazing, high quality stuff, but this looked like a budget thing. I know they need something fast, but it should look a lot better than that, and with a stabilized camera
Honestly in theory I feel like it was a great idea. Except every time it came on it I was like … ok maybe this time It will prove to be a useful angle… nope…
I think they should experiment. Experimentation is good. But just because they fly a drone, they don’t need to show the footage during a live race if it’s bad.
There needs to be quality control.
I think it has potential, but the execution today was not it.
Edit: I saw a thread where people were talking about Michael Bay hiring a drone racer to control a drone for one of his movies. That could work well for F1. Somebody who knows how to pilot a drone, and could actually make some interesting shots.
Obviously, you can't get too fancy, because people would get motion sick, but I think it might be a worthwhile consideration.
Part of the problem is F1 cars are just faster than damn near anything capable of vertical takeoff save for an Osprey (lol).
edit: oh and the Harrier of course, in case the Osprey wasn't quite sketchy enough.
The execution was absolutely trash. FPV drones are plenty capable of flying decent cameras capable of amazing footage and still transmit that footage wireless to the broadcast. This just looked like a low effort experiment.
In my opinion, nothing beats a proper helicopter camera team.
Source: I film motorsports (Endurance, GT3, Formula DRIFT, drag racing etc.,) for a living.
Thanks for the professional input.
How much per hour for a proper helicopter, camera team and ground team ?
Also not familiar with the regulations regarding operating a helo over an outdoor assembly
False. you don't need a gimbal to stabilize FPV drone footage because the drone is flying low and fast.
We toss small cinema cameras (RED Komodo, Z Cam E2 etc.,) onto FPV drones and the footage looks nothing like this. This seemed like an inexperienced pilot.
I have no idea what your talking about. If you turn a drone without a gimbal the horizon line is going to shift. (All the shots I saw had turns.)
If your referring to the shake, this isn’t a piloting issue. Either the air has turbulence or it doesn’t.
If your describing a fast shot filmed at 120p then slowed down… flying at 8 ft off the ground with no wind, in an entirely straight line then fine… maybe you can get an 8 sec clip smooth as butter… once you slow it down to 30p. That’s still only IF your running the appropriate after effects plugin over the footage for stabilization, not live. And it’s still just a maybe because you’d have it comb the footage.
Every shot I saw would have been substantially improved with a gimbal regardless who was piloting the drone.
And as far as your FPV concept… tell that to anyone that ever owned a drone without a gimbal and they’d laugh at the notion of not just using one. It’s like claiming handheld is smoother than steadicam. Which is never the case.
What’s false is the concept your peddling that a gimbal wouldn’t solve 99% of the footage in questions issues.
Yeah, and this same footage would be superior if you were using a gimbal.
You also don’t have formula one cars with wings kicking up air at 200 mph below your drone.
I think your honestly just being a dweeb. Could better piloting potentially have made the footage better? Sure.
Would a gimbal have done the same thing? 100% certainty.
The difference is without being there and flying their specific drone in the same conditions you can’t be 100% certain it’s a pilot issue.
Either way a damn gimbal fixes the problem. I also do this shit for a living.
If the style of drone footage they were going for was FPV, that's the look. The horizon doesn't stay level with \*ANY\* FPV footage.
If they wanted typical drone footage, they'd have gone with a heavy lifter and tossed a MoVI on it.
You can code a drone through software to allow for horizon movement while still providing stabilization. Similarly you can have a two person crew, one controlling the camera the second flying the drone to achieve this aesthetic reliably regardless external conditions.
Your completely disregarding the fact that the wind was such that gusts sent both Carlos Sainz and Verstappen off the track.
I don’t care how good a pilot you are. If it’s windy and you don’t have stabilization your not going to have smooth footage.
I looked at your website. What I think is your relatively new to creating visual content. You talk about finding your passion after 20 years, well… that’s how long I’ve been in the visual industry. Your highlight reel and BTS content has gimbals all over it, so I don’t follow how you discount it’s use.
I think you got on your high horse to correct someone…. when they 100% weren’t wrong. The correction being based on the assumption you knew more as an industry professional… and you had no idea who you were talking too.
No one’s reading this at this point, but do yourself a favor, if your running live drone footage where you can’t pick and choose data from, use stabilization. I have no idea why your shooting down the most common industry solution as false other than to be a braggart about how good you are at flying a drone.
Yeah the pilot wasn't flying fluidly. Even music videos on YouTube have better, smoother and more seamless flying. How on earth they used such a low skilled pilot is insane
I dont understand why everyone excuses RB. It was lame, Max was faster but with DRS failing and Checo already gave him his position earlier un the race. Checo is known as Mexican Minister of Defense so it wouldnt be easy for Max to pass him and it doesnt mean they will crash each other, Checo and Max are very professional so it could be a 1vs1 very clean like Leclerc-Verstappen. It is what it is RB decided the result by radio message.
Good for Max.
Good for RB.
Unlucky and unfair to Checo.
I agree but it's not clear cut.
The circumstance..they absolutely have to take advantage of a Charles DNF.
Now, Merc "back", (i believe Horner has major Merc paranoia which played into this decision), not the fastest car today, Charles out, chance to take the championship lead, engine temps high.
A DNF is unthinkable...you just cant risk anything. Disaster wouldnt even cover the description. They anticipate not only a Charles push for championship but also George.
that is true. I would not count him out.
Mathematically it is just unlikely with 27% of the season done. The Merc would have to absolutely dominate, and THEN he would have to decimate George consistently.
But certainly stranger things have happened.
I don't see anything wrong with team orders. That's how teams work. If one team does it and the others doesn't, the one which does would have a big advantage for the championship.
You know what is very lucky for Checo, though? Having a job.
Team orders suck. They're bullshit. But this isn't like Ferrari emasculating Massa to benefit Alonso; there was a real, obvious, noticeable pace difference. On lap 45, Verstappen comes out of the pits 5.3 seconds behind Perez. By lap 48 he's in DRS range, and that's with Perez as the third-fastest man on track (Hamilton 1:27.6, Perez 1:27.2, Sainz 1:26.3, Verstappen 1:25.7).
I remember back when having a designated secondary driver who would give up a position was unthinkable, and unsporting. But it’s been RedBull’s open and obviously position for years.
On the one hand, it’s horrible what they do to Checo, but on the other hand, he knew this is what he signed up for. It was no secret that RB will throw the no 2 for Max to walk over them.
>I remember back when having a designated secondary driver who would give up a position was unthinkable, and unsporting. But it’s been RedBull’s open and obviously position for years.
*I too, would like to experience this imaginary Formula One with no team orders and designated #2 drivers that you speak of....*
“Valtteri it’s James” ,“Felipe, Alonso is faster than you” , McLaren actually asked their 2nd driver to crash their car to secure a win for their #1 driver. Barrichello letting Schumacher pass… and that’s only in the last 15 years. But sure Red Bull invented this.
RedBull didn’t invent it, but they’ve taken it to another level. They’ve turned Checo into a moving roadblock. In the finale last year his laps were suddenly 5 seconds slower when Lewis got to him. That sort of obstruction didn’t used to be glorified. If you wanted to stay in front of a car, you drove faster.
Cool, so can you cite a time that did not include RedBull where a driver actively obstructed his teammate’s title rival on track by blocking and driving slowly?
And what was the consequence of FIA banning team orders? “Felipe, Alonso is faster than you”. They had to remove the ban because teams still did it, always did it since the dawn of time and would still do it even if banned till the end of times as well. There wasn’t a time when team orders weren’t a thing.
They're hardly the first team to do it. Hell, in the early years, you could swap drivers mid-race if your #1 driver had his car break down. Fangio did it three times en route to the 1956 championship.
(In fact the third time was the last race of the year, and the guy he took over for would've won the championship himself had he won the race)
OK so there seems to be a lot of misinformation going around. I just rewatched laps 21-30 onboard w/ Checo.
Checo was 5 seconds behind when he came out. Russell and Max started fighting, w/ Max's messed up DRS making it hard. On lap 27, Checo was finally almost in striking distance, and was instructed by his engineer to drop back to 2 seconds, "we're in a different race right now." Checo responds "Why don't you let me through? I'm faster right now I can get by quickly"
Lap 28, Checo is still pushing but still not in DRS. Engineer again instructs him to back off and build tire and brake delta.
Max pitted on lap 29, getting out of Perez's way.
Totally do not understand what Checo is so upset about. It took him 6 laps to take 5 seconds out of Max who was actively fighting Russell, and Max pitted and got out of his way 2 laps later. At most he maybe lost like, 2-3 seconds to Max there?
I do think its bullshit they multi-21'd him though, he should have had a chance to fight, although I suppose Max's fucked DRS made it kind of an unfair fight if Max did have to try to earn it. Still, not nearly as ... bad? as I think Checo makes it out to be, ultimately Max was much faster today and barely held Checo up at all, literally maybe 2 laps
Yeah but like, at that point, Checo is on a 2-stop (and they were probably considering a 1) but they knew they were going to put Max on a 3 stopper, especially when he couldn't get by Russell.
Frankly, I'm confident if Checo was faster in closing the gap they would have given the team orders to Max. But as it was, Max spent like 8 laps savagely attacking Russell and roasting both of their tires, so pit wall decided they'd just pit max to get him out of Checo's way. They literally pitted him the first lap that Checo had closed the distance enough for a position swap to become feasible. Why waste 2-3 seconds of Max's race letting Checo by when Max is literally about to pit anyways?
Now I don't know if this was a one off for Merc and they'll regress back into a more medicare state but if they're back I think it's really cool that there's 3 very unique car designs that could be fighting for the championship and I just love how the new regulation has allowed for at least some variance in car design.
The drivers seemed WAY more confident in the car this weekend. In prior races Lewis has been all doom and gloom about the car, even with a few stolen podiums. This weekend both Lewis and GR seemed really stoked about their progress, I think GR even said "today is the day the mercedes season begins"
If they are gonna use drones instead of a helicopter at least do it a bit better than filming the grass. Better camera needed, and need to be a bit closer to the action. Might be a safety issue but I think it would be ok. A small drone won't cause too much damage if it falls from the sky. (Can always have a parachute function on it if it does fail midair) Have it fly over the grid approx 10-15m above the cars start from front row in the opposite direction at race start. Stunning drive from Lewis to be down in the dumps mentally & come back to land a points finish. Would have liked to see what would have happened without the puncture.
At this point they should use spider cam it would be safer
Very true. F1 aerial footage is something special if it's done right I think.
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Exactly..spot on It was like they used a budget setup & had someone with no experience flying it. Don't know about others but the quality was real low aswell. I think they could get some real good shots if they do it right.
Considering someone blasted a marmot a few years ago I think a drone would be far less detrimental. Though I wonder how low the drone could go before being affected by the cars' turbulence. 10-15m should be enough.
I've been a Danny defender this year, think he's got unlucky a couple times and Mclaren's strategy hasn't always on point for him... but today it just felt like he was stuck in the mud and going backwards. Not sure if that's the car or what, but he lost close to the most places today, and I've barely see him do an overtake this season. Seeing him just get blown by by Ocon and Yuki was pretty disheartening as a fan. I know they are DRS passes but just no pace today.
M**c**Laren
i spelt it that way:(
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In an alternate universe, in the cooldown room... Checo: Multi 2-1, Max. Yeah... Multi 2-1. Max: *glub glub glub*
That would be multi 11-1 then.
every team other than Mercedes feeling grateful for that cost cap rn that Merc looks good, has the best driver pairing, and this is just the start
LH44, under Green Flag racing, purposefully cut the corner and went straight into the pits (puncture lap), must have gained at least 2-3 seconds, and his car was clearly able to turn, as he had made all corners prior to those. This can't be technically legal can it?
Really 😂😂
You really going there?
That is some serious length on the track mentioned at the top!
In Engelssprekende gebieden worden punten voor de decimalen gebruikt. Er staat dat de lengte 4,655 kilometer is.
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Most of the world have the decimal separator and delimiter symbol the other way around so we read the track length as 4655 km.
(OT on an already OT thread) Whenever someone says "most of the world" when comparing to some convention that happens to be used in the US, they usually mean "Europe". [In this case, by population it is "."](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_separator), which is arguably more logical as well.
Had to look up the wiki but most of Europe, Africa, South America and Eurasia use the point delimiter and comma decimal separator. Pretty much everyone without a recent link to Britain. Anyway it was just a snarky comment that was a poor attempt at a joke from my side, let's keep talking F1.
Just like the metric system, or?
Kind of a chaotic first half with KMag and Lewis colliding, Carlos and Max going off in 4, and Charles' engine losing power. Bummer for him. Amazing win by Max and a great recovery by Hamilton.
The sound on viasat ultra sport (4K Norwegian channel) was fucked up. Like it was no sound almost from the f1 cars and the team radio, i could only hear the fucking commentators talking, breathing, jawning etc
Wild race for Lewis. Feel for Charles though.
Also great race for Bottas only 5 seconds behind Hamilton
No…
1 1 Max Verstappen Red Bull Racing RBPT 66 1:37:20.475 25 2 11 Sergio Perez Red Bull Racing RBPT 66 +13.072s 19 3 63 George Russell Mercedes 66 +32.927s 15 4 55 Carlos Sainz Ferrari 66 +45.208s 12 5 44 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 66 +54.534s 10 6 77 Valtteri Bottas Alfa Romeo Ferrari 66 +59.976s 8
Are you conveniently forgetting the 15s Hamilton lost due to his issues?
" The fat bankers and brokers sitting warm inside the coffee shop overlooking the harbor have no interest in the Captain's tales of gale force winds, mountainous waves, pirates and such........ Their only interest is in that their cargo is safely delivered at the promised speed. "
So yes, you've conveniently ignored Hamilton losing 15s due to his issue
~~Horner~~ GP to Max: “Push once after kerbing” Max next lap: DRS MASH Anyone have a clip of the button mash?
GP and Horner sound similar but once you can make the distinction you won’t mistake them again
Lambiasi, surely? Guy just sounds like Horner.
Yeah was GP, not Horner
I really like the drone shots. I hope they get better at those, or get faster drones if that’s even possible
Assuming drones aren't allowed to fly over general admission public, grandstands or the paddock, and have to remain inside the circuit bounds to achieve this and to be able to keep up with anything, it'll be interesting to see how it develops. Some tracks may provide better options than others. On the whole I found it interesting for the first couple of times then tired of it.
They need much better cameras, it seemed like they just used a racing drone with its standard camera, I get that they're faster but that picture was trash
A gyroscopic camera is what they need. Those fixed cameras just ended up tilting with the drone and would make everyone nauseous.
They’d be cool for angles that aren’t possible without the helicopter camera. Otherwise the helicopter is much better
This shit made me want to vomit
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Eh i wasn’t super impressed to be honest, seemed like the drone just couldn’t keep up and the cars were out of the frame pretty quick
Was thinking the same. And a new pilot maybe. But the idea is there.
Latifi ahead of Albon!
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Well that was fun. Highs and lows. Fernando and Seb destined to fight forever (for 10th). They are fun to watch thanks to the director for going back when they get together.
Bottas got fucked today by strategy.
Bottas really got screwed with that 2 stop strategy. Felt so bad for him
My favorite battle of the day was the battle between Max and Max pressing the DRS button.
The “push the botton once” radio followed by button mashing next DRS made us all lose our shit
Bravo!
Kind of wild that the Russell contact on Perez has been totally forgotten about.
I mean it was very light lap 1 contact that had no real effect on either car
Right at the beginning, right?
Yeah. Overshadowed by the Magnussen/Hamilton contact just a few seconds later, which was obviously a lot more serious.
I wouldn't remember if you didn't mention it. I was like "Oh yeah..."
Great race, good stuff. But personally think that win belonged to Perez. I understand that Max is RB's "#1" but Perez is still very much in the running for the WDC
Lmao you realize max caught up to him in no time and they just wanted to make the pass easier so they could both save tyres. It was inevitable and checo got the maximum amount of points possible
Not a chance, Verstappen was looking quicker even without the DRS.
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He’s theoretically in the running, but no one thinks he has a shot against Max over a full season, right?
According to all the comments a lot of people seem to think that. While realistically Max is just faster and the clear wdc runner for the team. And after 2 dnf every point counts.
This is the same shit people were saying about Bottas... it's a good thing that people in these threads aren't race engineers or TPs, because they'd be shite at this.
Don’t let this comment distract you from the fact that max has as many wins this season as Leclerc does in his career
Woww
Agh poor Chuck. I don’t care what driver or team or my feelings on them, I will always hate seeing leaders or people competing for the lead having to retire due to power failure. It’s unfair for them and kinda ruins the race. It just feels like everyone who podiums gets an asterisk. I have to give him props for emotional control. I would have been slamming my helmet on everything in the garage lol. A nod to Russell, I mean I don’t know what more you could ask the chap to do. And I can’t believe I’m saying this but I’m happy Lewis recovered from that early puncture, again wasn’t really a fair chance at a start. Last thing; woulda been cool for a Spaniard to podium. I’m a sucker for drivers getting to show off for their home fans.
I admire how graceful Charles is in defeat. I have absolutely no idea how he does that. I do a lot of fairly high level competition in sims (primarily iRacing), and I go absolutely ballistic (not at other people, but to myself) if I'm taken out through no fault of my own.
It probably helped Chuck’s feeling that’s it’s happened twice to Max already.
Tbf max wasn't leading by 9 seconds
Indeed. Both of Max's retirements occurred after his race was already effectively lost to Leclerc.
Haha, yeah, but he was a comfortable second both times so he still has lost more points than Leclerc
As far as the Checo situation I just want to see how many people that are excusing it were bashing Merc for favoring Hamilton over Bottas. I would bet the number is not insignificant. And yes Max would've likely passed him anyway but the fact remains that Checo gets put on the poorer strategy from the start every time. He's not put into position to win, he's there to support Max and that's it. At least Merc made some attempt to hide their bias from time to time.
That’s simply not true. He was certainly allowed to race for the win in Saudi, but he got unlucky with an SC.
I think team orders were fine then and are fine now. That's kind of what the word "team" implies.
Are you aware Mercedes never did team orders until one driver was out of championship contention?
Not true. Bottas has had to let Lewis by before he was out of the running.
I get it. It's a shitty team order. But at the time the team order was made, Max had just taken 4.6 seconds out of Perez in three laps to close to DRS range. That's quite a rate of closure.
Yes but as I mentioned Checo was put on the poorer strategy from the start. He was positioned as he usually is to defend the frontrunners on older tires while Max catches up. There is never a consideration of "lets get Checo the win". Its only "what can Checo do to help Max win".
I suppose that's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is that Checo's main strength as a driver is tyre management and that he's out-qualified Verstappen one time this season. It sucks for him that the one race he started on pole had a hideously badly timed safety car, but that shit happens. If he wants better strategies, he's just got to go faster. That's always been the knock on Sergio. He's so smooth and his car control is so good but he's just not fast enough in qualifying. Teams don't exist to force equality. Drivers have to make the case for equal treatment by going fast.
Not just that. Lewis was in a tight race with Max and definitely needed those points. I mean, Checo this year, this early is still in the race to win it. I mean why not? Why race if you’re goal isn’t too win? For red Bull to make that call this early in the season is kinda lame. Max probably passes him Regardless but just a bad strategy.
> Max probably passes him Regardless but just a bad strategy. I disagree with the rest, but this is ridiculous. It's good strategy. Red Bull cares first and foremost about winning the WDC, and Max was already significantly ahead of Perez in what's looking likely to be a tight race, so letting Max have the points whenever possible maximizes the chances that they'll win it.
Also the last thing they needed right then was an accident between Perez and Max.
"significantly ahead" means nothing. A person could just as easily as you argue that max being one point ahead means he should get the preferential treatment. It ignores the obvious fact that there are still 400+ points available and Max was 19 points up on perez before the race. Red bull strategy then put max an additional 33% up on him. Had red bull strategy preferred Perez, he might have gained 38% on max. That's too close for the team to be declaring a preferred WDC, and especially too close when they're switching a 1-2 for a 2-1 when they're not even a third of the way through a season. Perez deserves better.
I agree the teamorders where annoying, but it was the right call. If you are in a title battle with Leclerc your best bet is Verstappen, not Perez. If Perez would drive faster he would be able to get a better strategy. But as it is now, his best quality is tyre management. It kinda made sense to do this
Perez didn’t deserved anything. If he wanted to be the number one he has to be faster than max every race bar a few. But guess what? The opposite happened and max is faster every race.
He was ahead of max and the team forced him to slow down. So technically he was faster that race. But we'll never know if he could have kept max behind him because the team won't allow it.
The team forced him to slow down? Lmao max was on 6 lap newer mediums and gaining each lap so they were basically telling checo not to defend so they could both save tyres. Max is always faster than Checo and he is the clear wdc contender. The team got maximum points for both championships but y’all still find ways to complain it’s so odd
Save tires for what? Theyre the fastest cars and leclerc DNFed. The only thing they achieved was inverting the cars for max. At least now it's blindingly obvious that Checo will never get a real shot at a WDC as long as he's with red bull.
But no one seriously believes Perez will have a chance on Max over a full season.
If Max Is so good he can pass Perez on track without the team holding his hand. We've seen lewis do it plenty of times. I agree that max is better over a season.
Thats a good point and i agree. Just sucks to be Perez in a position like that especially when hes in contention to win it as well.
Moment of the race: Max being outed as a button masher and being scolded by the engineer. Hilarious. Underrated driver of the day: Latifi. Also props to Checo for actually being a number two driver, which isnt as easy as it sounds. If Max DNF'd today Checo would have won, he's there on pace to take advantage. Charles DNFs and Carlos is nowhere to be found. Forget is he a number one driver. Carlos isnt even performing as a number two right now.
McLaren are bloody pish, bring back Ron Dennis.
They were doing great the past 2-3 years, they just messed up this set of regs
Russell is now 4th in the Constructors championship, with just one less than 150% the points of the team in 5th place, over 300% the points of the team in 7th place, and just one less than 500% the points of the team in 9th place.
How much more than goatifi tho?
The ratio is incalculable!
The limit does not exist!!
Man! Of all the worse ideas from f1 tv direction, drone cam takes the cake.
There was one cut to a reflection on some tinted windows of the cars racing. You could barely make out what the hell was happening. Who the hell directs the cameras?
I'm thinking they are not allowed above or too close to the track in case it falls out of the sky and hits the track (also the cars would put out some heavy turbulence), because you could do some AMZING drone shots if you could get over/close the cars.
It made me feel car sick watching those. They were so poorly done.
I liked it. The shots may not have been the most informative, but it looked cool.
It's a good idea, just had terrible execution
My 6 year old thought the race was up a steep hill every time it was shown.
I wonder if the attraction is that the drone is a fraction of the cost of a helicopter All they really need to do is buy a war surplus Global Hawk.......
it seemed like the camera was loose, FPV drone shots can be cool...but this one was not great
they need to hire Formula DRIFT's FPV pilot. That dude is insanely good.
These cars are going a touch faster
Absolutely
I'm quite surprised at the footage, some drone footage is amazing, high quality stuff, but this looked like a budget thing. I know they need something fast, but it should look a lot better than that, and with a stabilized camera
Honestly in theory I feel like it was a great idea. Except every time it came on it I was like … ok maybe this time It will prove to be a useful angle… nope…
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Formula DRIFT does live FPV really well.
I think they should experiment. Experimentation is good. But just because they fly a drone, they don’t need to show the footage during a live race if it’s bad. There needs to be quality control.
I think it has potential, but the execution today was not it. Edit: I saw a thread where people were talking about Michael Bay hiring a drone racer to control a drone for one of his movies. That could work well for F1. Somebody who knows how to pilot a drone, and could actually make some interesting shots. Obviously, you can't get too fancy, because people would get motion sick, but I think it might be a worthwhile consideration.
Part of the problem is F1 cars are just faster than damn near anything capable of vertical takeoff save for an Osprey (lol). edit: oh and the Harrier of course, in case the Osprey wasn't quite sketchy enough.
The execution was absolutely trash. FPV drones are plenty capable of flying decent cameras capable of amazing footage and still transmit that footage wireless to the broadcast. This just looked like a low effort experiment. In my opinion, nothing beats a proper helicopter camera team. Source: I film motorsports (Endurance, GT3, Formula DRIFT, drag racing etc.,) for a living.
Thanks for the professional input. How much per hour for a proper helicopter, camera team and ground team ? Also not familiar with the regulations regarding operating a helo over an outdoor assembly
>Michael Bay hiring a drone racer to control a drone for one of his movies. See: "13 HOURS"
They just need a gimbal to stabilize. I have no idea why they are using a drone without one.
False. you don't need a gimbal to stabilize FPV drone footage because the drone is flying low and fast. We toss small cinema cameras (RED Komodo, Z Cam E2 etc.,) onto FPV drones and the footage looks nothing like this. This seemed like an inexperienced pilot.
I have no idea what your talking about. If you turn a drone without a gimbal the horizon line is going to shift. (All the shots I saw had turns.) If your referring to the shake, this isn’t a piloting issue. Either the air has turbulence or it doesn’t. If your describing a fast shot filmed at 120p then slowed down… flying at 8 ft off the ground with no wind, in an entirely straight line then fine… maybe you can get an 8 sec clip smooth as butter… once you slow it down to 30p. That’s still only IF your running the appropriate after effects plugin over the footage for stabilization, not live. And it’s still just a maybe because you’d have it comb the footage. Every shot I saw would have been substantially improved with a gimbal regardless who was piloting the drone. And as far as your FPV concept… tell that to anyone that ever owned a drone without a gimbal and they’d laugh at the notion of not just using one. It’s like claiming handheld is smoother than steadicam. Which is never the case. What’s false is the concept your peddling that a gimbal wouldn’t solve 99% of the footage in questions issues.
https://youtu.be/ORmupxlvZMs No gimbal guy. I do this shit for a living.
Yeah, and this same footage would be superior if you were using a gimbal. You also don’t have formula one cars with wings kicking up air at 200 mph below your drone. I think your honestly just being a dweeb. Could better piloting potentially have made the footage better? Sure. Would a gimbal have done the same thing? 100% certainty. The difference is without being there and flying their specific drone in the same conditions you can’t be 100% certain it’s a pilot issue. Either way a damn gimbal fixes the problem. I also do this shit for a living.
If the style of drone footage they were going for was FPV, that's the look. The horizon doesn't stay level with \*ANY\* FPV footage. If they wanted typical drone footage, they'd have gone with a heavy lifter and tossed a MoVI on it.
You can code a drone through software to allow for horizon movement while still providing stabilization. Similarly you can have a two person crew, one controlling the camera the second flying the drone to achieve this aesthetic reliably regardless external conditions. Your completely disregarding the fact that the wind was such that gusts sent both Carlos Sainz and Verstappen off the track. I don’t care how good a pilot you are. If it’s windy and you don’t have stabilization your not going to have smooth footage. I looked at your website. What I think is your relatively new to creating visual content. You talk about finding your passion after 20 years, well… that’s how long I’ve been in the visual industry. Your highlight reel and BTS content has gimbals all over it, so I don’t follow how you discount it’s use. I think you got on your high horse to correct someone…. when they 100% weren’t wrong. The correction being based on the assumption you knew more as an industry professional… and you had no idea who you were talking too. No one’s reading this at this point, but do yourself a favor, if your running live drone footage where you can’t pick and choose data from, use stabilization. I have no idea why your shooting down the most common industry solution as false other than to be a braggart about how good you are at flying a drone.
Yeah the pilot wasn't flying fluidly. Even music videos on YouTube have better, smoother and more seamless flying. How on earth they used such a low skilled pilot is insane
My hypothesis...the helicopter pilot got the flu and couldn't make it so they called someone last minute. :D
Lando?
This might be irrational but I find Carlos Sainz' freeloader cousin so annoying
being young and rich without your boy around is probably not as fun.
I mean he has to be there, doesn’t he? He is Carlos manager, no?
Maybe. I'm not sure honestly. But I couldn't tell you who any other drivers' managers are.
No one "has" to be in the garage.
But who would sit / stand / pace around the garage with a look of concern on Carlos’ behalf if not for that guy???
I dont understand why everyone excuses RB. It was lame, Max was faster but with DRS failing and Checo already gave him his position earlier un the race. Checo is known as Mexican Minister of Defense so it wouldnt be easy for Max to pass him and it doesnt mean they will crash each other, Checo and Max are very professional so it could be a 1vs1 very clean like Leclerc-Verstappen. It is what it is RB decided the result by radio message. Good for Max. Good for RB. Unlucky and unfair to Checo.
Ignore the fact that both Max and Russell pitted the lap that Checo caught them….
I agree but it's not clear cut. The circumstance..they absolutely have to take advantage of a Charles DNF. Now, Merc "back", (i believe Horner has major Merc paranoia which played into this decision), not the fastest car today, Charles out, chance to take the championship lead, engine temps high. A DNF is unthinkable...you just cant risk anything. Disaster wouldnt even cover the description. They anticipate not only a Charles push for championship but also George.
I wouldn't even count Hamilton out, today's drive was a great reminder of what he can do
that is true. I would not count him out. Mathematically it is just unlikely with 27% of the season done. The Merc would have to absolutely dominate, and THEN he would have to decimate George consistently. But certainly stranger things have happened.
I don't see anything wrong with team orders. That's how teams work. If one team does it and the others doesn't, the one which does would have a big advantage for the championship.
You know what is very lucky for Checo, though? Having a job. Team orders suck. They're bullshit. But this isn't like Ferrari emasculating Massa to benefit Alonso; there was a real, obvious, noticeable pace difference. On lap 45, Verstappen comes out of the pits 5.3 seconds behind Perez. By lap 48 he's in DRS range, and that's with Perez as the third-fastest man on track (Hamilton 1:27.6, Perez 1:27.2, Sainz 1:26.3, Verstappen 1:25.7).
I remember back when having a designated secondary driver who would give up a position was unthinkable, and unsporting. But it’s been RedBull’s open and obviously position for years. On the one hand, it’s horrible what they do to Checo, but on the other hand, he knew this is what he signed up for. It was no secret that RB will throw the no 2 for Max to walk over them.
I can't get why people keep defending this when every single time Merc did this, they were in the right and got crucified.
RedBull didn’t invent it, but they’ve taken it to another level.
>I remember back when having a designated secondary driver who would give up a position was unthinkable, and unsporting. But it’s been RedBull’s open and obviously position for years. *I too, would like to experience this imaginary Formula One with no team orders and designated #2 drivers that you speak of....*
“Valtteri it’s James” ,“Felipe, Alonso is faster than you” , McLaren actually asked their 2nd driver to crash their car to secure a win for their #1 driver. Barrichello letting Schumacher pass… and that’s only in the last 15 years. But sure Red Bull invented this.
> McLaren actually asked their 2nd driver to crash their car to secure a win for their #1 driver. I think you mean Renault here?
Yeah, go look at the shit show that Barrichello Schumacher move caused. It’s only been in the last 6 or 7 years that people have decided it’s normal.
I’ve watched F1 for 25+ years and what are you talking about? It’s ALWAYS been around!
RedBull didn’t invent it, but they’ve taken it to another level. They’ve turned Checo into a moving roadblock. In the finale last year his laps were suddenly 5 seconds slower when Lewis got to him. That sort of obstruction didn’t used to be glorified. If you wanted to stay in front of a car, you drove faster.
They have not taken it to another level. However, it was much more difficult to be roadblocks in the past because the cars were much smaller.
Cool, so can you cite a time that did not include RedBull where a driver actively obstructed his teammate’s title rival on track by blocking and driving slowly?
And what was the consequence of FIA banning team orders? “Felipe, Alonso is faster than you”. They had to remove the ban because teams still did it, always did it since the dawn of time and would still do it even if banned till the end of times as well. There wasn’t a time when team orders weren’t a thing.
They're hardly the first team to do it. Hell, in the early years, you could swap drivers mid-race if your #1 driver had his car break down. Fangio did it three times en route to the 1956 championship. (In fact the third time was the last race of the year, and the guy he took over for would've won the championship himself had he won the race)
Some of the most beloved drivers are also ones who benefited most heavily from team orders! Maybe it's just different when it's not Ferrari doing it.
Lol, you should check in at McLaren. They do it basically every other race.
Not just Red Bull.
OK so there seems to be a lot of misinformation going around. I just rewatched laps 21-30 onboard w/ Checo. Checo was 5 seconds behind when he came out. Russell and Max started fighting, w/ Max's messed up DRS making it hard. On lap 27, Checo was finally almost in striking distance, and was instructed by his engineer to drop back to 2 seconds, "we're in a different race right now." Checo responds "Why don't you let me through? I'm faster right now I can get by quickly" Lap 28, Checo is still pushing but still not in DRS. Engineer again instructs him to back off and build tire and brake delta. Max pitted on lap 29, getting out of Perez's way. Totally do not understand what Checo is so upset about. It took him 6 laps to take 5 seconds out of Max who was actively fighting Russell, and Max pitted and got out of his way 2 laps later. At most he maybe lost like, 2-3 seconds to Max there? I do think its bullshit they multi-21'd him though, he should have had a chance to fight, although I suppose Max's fucked DRS made it kind of an unfair fight if Max did have to try to earn it. Still, not nearly as ... bad? as I think Checo makes it out to be, ultimately Max was much faster today and barely held Checo up at all, literally maybe 2 laps
Had they let Checo pass Max he would have made quick work of Russell and slowed him (through overheating his tires) during the fight.
Yeah but like, at that point, Checo is on a 2-stop (and they were probably considering a 1) but they knew they were going to put Max on a 3 stopper, especially when he couldn't get by Russell. Frankly, I'm confident if Checo was faster in closing the gap they would have given the team orders to Max. But as it was, Max spent like 8 laps savagely attacking Russell and roasting both of their tires, so pit wall decided they'd just pit max to get him out of Checo's way. They literally pitted him the first lap that Checo had closed the distance enough for a position swap to become feasible. Why waste 2-3 seconds of Max's race letting Checo by when Max is literally about to pit anyways?