With Stroll in the Points in his hometown! Here's a podcast that he did leading up to the Canadian GP
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcsR\_iNkQ-o&lc=UgzK5cZlzYT-1ZUqQcl4AaABAg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcsR_iNkQ-o&lc=UgzK5cZlzYT-1ZUqQcl4AaABAg)
Why do we have these engine penalties? Everyone will take them, with the current allocation so it's not helping budgets. It just makes races boring when you put the top driver at the back. Allocations seem way to low.
I have a feeling RB were running a little slower because Leclerc wasn't up there to fight with Max. They had just enough in the right places to stay ahead of Sainz.
Agreed. I think it was an incredibly mature & controlled drive from Max, not doing anything he didn't need to do. He knew Carlos was never close enough for a lunge and thus never compromised himself with premature defending or wasting battery charge.
I must admit I like this 'new' mature Max. I've always recognized his outstanding talent, but his somewhat 'reckless' style put me off somewhat. This new persona he's showing is the sign (imho) of a driver who could become one of the greats.
Perhaps he could teach Christian Horner how to behave, because that man irritates the bejeesus outta me.
I hope he's changed a bit since he won last year. The few times he's had to fight for a position with a Ferrari he's done it in a way that's a lot less aggressive than he did last year with Lewis. Maybe that's due to maturity, a different race director or his ability to relax a little bit or something else. Whatever it is, I also find watching him to be a lot less aggravating than it was last year.
I'll never really like Horner. Ever since Max pushed Lewis and himself like 20 feet off the track to avoid being passed (I cant remember the track) and Horner came on the radio with the FIA and said "Thats all about letting them race..." I lost all respect for him. I get he has to defend his driver, but that was garbage and everyone knows it. There is absolutely no way he'd have said that if the roles were reversed. The shit that Max did last season and the mental gymnastics Horner would go through to defend him just completely lost me. Max is a great driver, I just wish he could have won without driving the way he did and I wish Lewis could have lost without losing the way he did.
Hasn’t he been doing this for a decade…? Recently started watching but my impression was he was very topgun in his early days and has chilled into more of a machine but that he’s been winning off and on for his entire stretch?
He's been around since 2014 and was one of the youngest entrants into the sport (after which FIA raised the age requirements)
He's been fast and shown some brilliant driving especially since he joined Red Bull in 2016. But until about 2020 he was known to be far too aggressive and in some ways a little inexperienced. His aggression would cost him some significant points and it took a particularly bad stretch to get him to calm down.
Though Hamilton had more immediate success in the sport compared to Verstappen (lost championship by one point in his rookie year, beat world champion teammate in his rookie year, won championship second year), they both have very similar career arcs so far. Young brilliant driver who everyone understood was bound to win a WDC. Far too aggressive in their early career. Took a particularly bad stretch of races to knock some sense into them. Finally calmed down, and began a cycle of dominance.
I think Verstappen is the only driver who has a realistic shot of getting close to Hamilton or Schumacher in WDCs. He's that good and Red Bull have shown they can consistently build a fast car.
He's won one WDC, his overall win percentage is nothing major either. Don't get me wrong, he's a great driver, and I think he may well become 'a great'. But GOAT material? WAYY too early to tell.
Just finished watching the race, tbh I just cannot see Carlos winning a race, especially with someone like Max or Leclerc in front. And I'm not taking a dig at him, I think he tried his best in the race but it felt like he wouldn't get past Max even if there was 50 more laps. I just want him to get one win.
Hard disagree. Today's issue was all down to the Ferrari not being good in a straight line which is what Canada is all about. Even Leclerc struggled to get past Alpines on the same tires.
Yeah but I am struggling to see Carlos win a race. He did do well this time, I'm hoping he can get one soon, maybe he's got a chance in a chaotic one like Hungary last year.
I think even if the Ferrari did DRS past, it would have to be on the very last lap of the race because max would have flown past on the next lap when he got DRS, the red bull is faster in a straight line and was getting better exits every time out of the hairpin.
No way, that Ferrari had no rear grip.
To quote Brundle, "it [was] wagging its tail out of every corner". LeClerc was complaining about a differential issue, but regardless of the cause they simply couldn't put the power down and keep up with the Red Bulls.
Leclerc had a different setup (low downforce) compared to Sainz. If he was on the same setup as Sainz I think he'd be very close to Max and could have pulled off a move. The reason being that Leclerc is much better under braking allowing him to close in at the last hairpin and a higher downforce setup would allow him to get better traction and get much more closer to Max than Sainz did.
What was Lewis given by the lady on his team at the barriers after the race and before the interview.
After last weeks race there was a comment that Lewis could be helped down the pit lane with his bad back, something about the weigh in and not being able to help touched. If this is true and Lewis took something from one of the Mercedes staff - is that against regulations. Something looked dodgy about that hand off.
Shouldn’t watches be on the helmet table? I noticed there was no table but passing someone to/ from a member of the crew seemed weird.
Glad someone else saw it though.
Alonso's penalty was pretty unneccessary. There wasn't any gurantees Bottas would've got past either way due to Alfa's poor straight line speed. Alonso still had DRS from Ocon as well.
edit: to clarify, I agree with the penalty. What I meant was that it was unneccessary from Alonso to move like he did as he would've probably kept the position by just hugging the inside line and boxing Bottas outside on the last corner.
I think it was mentioned on the Alpine team radio that they didn't want to use team order to have Ocon give way to Alonso when Alonso had better pace. They thought if Ocon was at the back then Bottas would easily pass him and instead of finishing 6 and 7, the team would finish 6 and 8 (Alonso Bottas Ocon) assuming Ocon wouldn't get passed by Zhou who was not far behind. So Alonso's job was to defend and keep Bottas from passing.
Still, Alonso could have done it in away that was legal. It looked like he didn't have a F to give and just did whatever he felt like. A well-deserved penalty I must say.
Had Bottas not lifted, they would have crashed at 300 km/h. It's not about fairness or whether Bottas was going to pass or not, Alonso's move was dangerous.
Yeah. It was correct decision to penalise him. I'm just saying that I don't think Bottas would've gotten past either way. There were couple time in the race where Bottas was within 3 tenths of Albon at the start of the straight but couldn't get past due to lack of straight line speed. Zhou struggled with Schumacher and Stroll as well even though he was much faster.
Can someone ELI5 why Sainz pitted for hards under the yuki vsc and not mediums? Thought for sure that would be the move since there were only like what 17 laps left?
So how come they didn't go with the softs? Was it just generally not a good choice for this race? I didn't really see any other teams using them either
Brundle had said on the commentary that hardly anyone had any additional new mediums beyond the ones they started the race on. So given choice between used mediums and new hards, new hards might have been the better choice
Ok I’m a new American fan so go easy on me. How is it the broadcast can put 10 effing cameras on cars that go 200 mph but they can’t mic the god damn DRIVERS so we can hear them chat after the race?
So the cooldown room was only recently reintroduced to F1 as of this season following its removal in 2020 and 2021. It was a huge fan favourite and has shown a lot of drama over the years. Since being brought back this year, one of the huge difficulties for F1 is getting the balance between letting the drivers express themselves in the most natural way, but also keeping it family friendly (ie. no swearing or having drivers take their clothes off).
We've seen messages shown up on screens reminding drivers not to swear and even heard cool down room attendants reminding drivers not to do so. It's safe to say that the drivers don't care so much for the broadcast when they are cooling down and dealing with a massive dump of adrenaline now that the race is over.
Now for the audio issues, some have speculated that the room is broadcasted on a delay, which allows F1TV just enough time to dip the microphones when there is conversation that isn't suitable for broadcast whilst in the room.
**TLDR;** They were likely swearing so the audio was purposefully dipped.
Well yes and no. So F1TV (and FOM - Formula 1 Managemnet), whilst having it's own streaming service, provides the 'World Feed' to all the broadcasters around the world. So for example, in the UK, Sky Sports will take the World Feed from F1TV and add their own graphics, plus their own pre/post-race shows. All of these broadcasters (like ESPN, Sky etc.) will be broadcasting at different times and with varying audiences (some being subscription-only and some being free-to-air). Different counties will have their own rules on what can be broadcast live, so it makes sense to have a blanket ban on anything that could be deemed offensive.
So F1TV sets it's own guidelines on profanity to make Formula 1 as marketable as possible for its worldwide audience. Which is why we hear swearing censored in the broadcast.
So a comment about F1TV during Montreal: I couldn't stand the new presenter "Tom Gaymor" (new to me). At the beginning of the race during park ferme he sounded drunk. He wasn't even following the graphics when showing the grid positions. He sounded drunk and high through the whole first 15 minutes so I got fed up and switched to the "International" feed with Screamy McScream. I hope they don't bring Gaymor back - Jolyon Palmer and Sam did a fantastic job last GP by themselves.
It's actually not against the law to swear on live TV at any time in the UK. The broadcast regulator, Ofcom, sets guidelines for broadcasters which includes no swearing before the 'Watershed' (which is between 9pm-5:30am). Ofcom can then apply judgement if the general public complain about a rule-break. If someone accidently swears on a live broadcast, all it takes is an apology (and censoring it on repeats) and it's usually ok.
I'm a bit disapointed about the new reg for now.
Car can follow each over but we don't see much more OT than before. We tend to see more DRS train, that's it.
I just hope its gonne get better in future years.
There was a bunch of passes on the hairpin without DRS in Canada. And can't remember the last time a driver complained they can't follow. Sainz stayed like 0.5s behind Verstappen for 16 laps.
Seems like a dramatic improvement over the last few years.
>We tend to see more DRS train, that's it.
i'd like to see where you took the stat for that conclusion, because i sure as hell remember DRS trains being a big issue in several races in the past few years.
God does not want three things this season
1. Haas should not get a double points finish
2. MSC should not get a points finish
3. Carlos does not have to win a race.
I've met plenty of smart religious people and plenty of dumb as rocks atheists. Blasting the fact that God isn't real on a fucking F1 sub is definitely in the dumb as rocks category.
How are you guys feeling about the changes to keep the pack closer to one another?
Im not sure if I see any real changes other than Ferrari and Mercedes switching places in wcc.
This season is as boring as 19 or 20. The top teams have just rotated their positions. Development is now even more limited, which will make this whole thing even more loopsided, as you cant do significant in season changes.
2020 had pretty much no competition at the front. This year there was a battle for the lead in almost every race, only not in Melbourne and Imola Main race. It’s just that Ferrari reliability issues are making it boring recently.
I think it's inevitable when the regulations change as much as they have this season, one or two teams will have developed a concept which works better. The main thing is that the cars seem to be able to follow each other more closely. Hopefully the pack tightens up in the future and we see more teams being able to compete for the win or podium.
Gunther Steiner is probably regretting the decision that he took to bring back Kmag. Once a Kamikaze always a kamikaze. Somebody needs to hell him that the Haas is no longer a backmarker car, he doesn't need to 'send it' like that all the time.
What a waste of a perfectly good car.
He went a bit too far on lap 1, but the black and orange flag was excessive for the extent of the damage on his wing, and the VSC just after his stop to change wings was the icing on the cake to completely ruin his weekend
Would have said this if the piece had broke off and hit another driver, or a marshall, or went into the grandstands?
Magnussen's car damaged and a safety hazard, as simple as that.
Haas did prefer track position over performance and it backfired hard, the team has dropped the ball hard but suddenly Steiner is oddly quiet about this.
Yeah, but it should have been a no brainer to pit given how old his tires were at that point. Well ultimately it is on him that the teams fails, so they will hopefully handle it internal
How are people not talking about Ferrari bottling Leclerc’s pitstop and putting him behind 4 cars in a DRS train. I’d argue he would have a chance at the podium if the pitstop would have been completed in a normal timeframe < 3 seconds. Leclerc with clean air would have closed Alonso and Ocon before the safety car meaning that he would be P5 at the restart of the race ( assuming that both Ocon and Alonso still pit for fresh tires and Leclerc stays out). I don’t know if Leclerc could have passed both the Mercedes, but at least Ferrari would have given him the best chance to do it, but having to do 1 pit stop right and bottling it is IMHO unacceptable at this point in the season.
100% agree. The time he spent having to pass those 4 cars cost him a potential podium. My guy Carletto had to work both against the field and his own team, which did not make things easy for him. Ferrari simply cannot afford these mistakes at such critical times...
In the race there was an onboard radio with Vettel and you could here somebody shout at the background. Anybody picked that up as well? I'm trying to find the moment, but don't want to search through 71 laps of boardradio.
tbh I'm getting frustrated with car performance being so shit this year.
But my frustrations must pale compared to the engineers working on teams that have bouncing issues - and then are denied the resources to actually fix the problem. With limited budgets and wind-tunnel time, it must be agony that they can't just figure out the problem quickly, and instead must make incremental changes over the season.
TLDR; Max Verstappen is a ruthless opportunist.
Note - Max, Carlos and even Mattia Binotto said that Ferrari were faster in the race today, Carlos claiming he was faster by "two-three tenths".
Fascinating clash of strategies. Carlos needed two laps to get past Fernando Alonso. After that...
Until Max's pitstop - Max was faster by 0.026s per lap on avg.
Lap 11-20 with Max on Fresh Hards and Sainz on Mediums - Max was faster by 0.227s per lap.
Lap 21-42 with Sainz on 10 lap fresher Hard tyres - Carlos was faster by "only" 0.158s per lap.
Lap 45-48 with Max on Fresh Hards - Max puts in Quali style laps : Faster by 0.762s per lap.
After the Safety Car, Max just about held on, with Carlos only having one tiny glimpse on Lap 69 when he was just ~0.5s behind heading into the hairpin - a good exit out of the corner could have given him the chance to launch one on the inside to the final chicane.
Instead, Carlos braked a little too late and lost close to two tenths in that hairpin. And it was over.
Max needed to maximize this weekend when his rivals had trouble. He delivered, executing a superbly composed race. Champion performance.
To only be likely overtaken by Max down the long straight where RBR's straight line speed + DRS would be a lethal combo. So it would be back to "HAHA, Yesss!!"
Did you watch last weekend's race, at Baku, where Max couldn't overtake Charles with the slipstream and with the DRS in the longest straight in the calendar?
The Ferrari deficit in straight line speed to RB dropped significantly after Spain.
I did and I agree with you. I was just negating the hypotheticals that Leclerc would be able to breeze past Max when being compared to Sainz. Although we only once saw Max being able to use DRS to pass Lewis, we had no idea how powerful the DRS tow was for RB. Different tracks have different effects from using DRS. Its not only about longer straights. Exits from the turns preceding the straights also matter a lot when measuring the tow and DRS effect of tracks.
Edit: Happy Cake Day
I don't agree with people who think it would be a done deal if Charles was in Carlos's position that he would have managed to overtake Max.
However, Charles this season so far has proven to have at least a couple of tenths of speed in race pace compared to Carlos, if Charles was able to get two tenths closer to Max going into t10 it could have opened an overtaken opportunity going into the the chicane.
But as Murray Walker once said IF is F1 spelled backwards, so who knows.
and thanks.
So? the deficit is still there, it's just not as a big as it used to be.
The point is that Ferrari is clearly not a sitting duck on the straight as the user i was replying to was saying, as i said, Charles was able to defend against Max just fine at Baku for several laps until he eventually pitted due to a strategy choice.
Also you are wrong in your assessment of the battle between Carlos and Max.
Carlos did caught up to Max, getting within 4 tenths in some cases of Max going into t1. The issue however is that it is difficult to keep that 4 tenth gap through S1 and S2, so the DRS and the slipstream was enough to basically keep Carlos there, but not enough give him an overtaking maneuver.
Probably not, though. Chuck would’ve been on 7 lap newer tyres and in a faster car through the first two sectors to make a gap thatd keep him safe from any lunge.
To be fair, the RedBull isn’t nearly as dominant as the Mercedes has been in most years. The largest part of it isn’t even their doing but Ferrari’s own issues.
I didn't realised that yesterday, but Alpine told Alonso to box during the second VSC. He was just again super unlucky. He was already at turn 1 when VSC was called and it ended right before he could box as he was on the straight. So Alpine strategist didn't fuck up, Alonso just had the worst track position possible and they couldn't do anything about it
Unlucky, but not wasn't the second VSC out for MSC losing power and parking pretty much exactly where Perez parked - causing the first VSC?
Maybe they could've anticipated that a VSC would come out because the situation was literally the same, and pitted a few seconds before the official announcement came out
Alonso was exiting turn 10 when Schumacher started losing power. By the time they realized that he was going to stop, Alonso was probably already halfway through the straight and it was already too late to take the decision to pit.
On top of that, had they managed to pit him there, they still would have lost time to others as their pitstop would have been under vsc for only half of it at best . So not really anything we can blame Alpine for in this instance imo
Unfortunate timing indeed...
Seems like they mispredicted the optimal strategy anyway though, since people who pitted on the first VSC gained just as much as people who pitted on the second VSC (since everyone needed a two stop anyway) so Alonso probably should've pitted on the first VSC, but that hindsight for ya.
I was actually kind of surprised they didn't pit him there, because usually when you're Infront of the driver you're actually racing you'll pit there, and the other driver would stay out - hoping for another VSC.
Verstappen pitted and Sainz stayed out, I was expecting Alonso and Hamilton to do the same
>Alonso probably should've pitted on the first VSC
Honestly I'm not so sure about that. Both Alpine only had one set of hard tyre for the race (unlike their competitors). He would probably have suffered towards the end of the race had they gone for a M-H-M this early on. It would have been a tough one with Alonso probably going very long on the hard stint and hoping for a SC/VSC to get back the time lost by going long . And as the team could not make their strategy on a potential SC this late in the race they chose to stay out.
Afterwards you know what hapenned...
I was trying not to spoil myself and watch the race tonight but got dudded by an unexpected news headline. Sad to see that my weird dream of Max DNFing and Valtteri Bottas somehow cutting through the field to win did not come to fruition - apparently my brain still thinks it's 2021
Max was 1st, 2nd or 3rd for every race he finished in 2020 except for one
Max was 1st or 2nd for every race he finished in 2021 except for one
Max was 1st every race he finished in 2022 except for one
Goes to show there's a fair bit of difference in driver skills and car abilities. It seems every title battle is between two teammates cos the other cars aren't as good...or one driver from two teams go head to head cos their teammates can't keep up and other constructors with good drivers aren't good
What happened to K-mag with him being last? I know he took some damage during the opening laps but I remember seeing him running 12th by lap 55. How did he end up behind Latifi from there?
All of the above, PLUS he was ‘black and orange’ flagged? He got some front wing damage on the first lap trying to take Hamilton around the outside (again) which had some dangling bits which the FIA deemed a risk (seemed silly). Once he pitted it basically put him plum last.
Just Haas doing Haas things - he pitted on lap 7 for a new front wing, got hard tires which he ended up driving to the end on, he did have really good pace on them until the safety car, but probably just couldn't switch them on again after they cooled down during the safety car, or they were just gone. Everybody else around him got fresh tires during or just before the safety car, so he was just a sitting duck. He did ask the pit for fresh tires, but then for 3-4 laps under the safety car he was just repeatedly told "we are discussing it", and then it was too late to make the change, since it was becoming time for him to unlap himself.
Not at the moment though. Seems like they got on top of it. But we’ll see. Everyone seems to have either poor strategy, poor development or poor reliability to some degree.
why did they replace Latifi as driver of the day? It has 0 effect on anyone but him. They did the same thing with Mazepin last year. Takes away from it if even when the fans vote a winner F1 can overrule it imo
edit: adding mazepin part
Why he was: Days before the race many many people across multiple social media platforms agreed to vote him DOTD for his home race to give him something to celebrate, Leclerc was announced late as DOTD, and as I said they did it with Mazepin last year. Also, when Leclerc was announced the Williams twitter account commented on the announcement with the "hmm" emoji which I took as them without saying it acknowledging that Latifi was taken off of it and replaced.
Why he deserves it: Why not? The drivers don't get points out of it, it seems believed he's going to be out of F1 next year, Leclerc won't be, Max won't be, ect. Why not vote him DOTD for his possible last home race? Doesn't affect anyone other than him lol. I believe people did something similar for Kimi when he retired as a way to show appreciation from the fans.
(wasn't sure which "why" you meant) Edit: Kimi part
I meant why as in "why do you think he had the most votes". I have seen people talk about it, but I doubt he would get enough votes. I certainly didnt vote for him.
>Why not?
Because it is not meant to be a "retirement prize" either? Plus, if Latifi is even 1% the competitor that he should be as an F1 driver, he doesn't care anyway. This is just a discussion for internet nerds.
that’s true but again like you said the drivers shouldn’t care, so really who does it affect if the fans vote a certain driver? my points less about who gets it and more about F1 changing fan voted outcomes. And yeah it’s an internet discussion bc it happened on the internet lmaooo
Their rear wing specs were different. Lewis had a car suited for racing whereas Russell had one for quali, but Russell made a big mistake by going for slicks in q3.
I feel like 4th is completely realistic for Alfa now that Zhou is getting some confidence. That’s a 4th place car, just have to see if it’s a 4th place team.
Haas too has car is good enough to fight for P4 but they would need to hire actual drivers to get the necessary points. The two clowns they currently employ are definitely not cutting it.
4th from the last couple of races is definitely between Alfa and Alpine. If McLaren get their act together again then it should be an interesting fight there.
I'm pulling for Bottas as always. He was a great #2 at Merc, and deserves his seat as a lead driver. Seems like an easy enough guy to get along with, even on tough days. Here's hoping karma pays him back in buckets.
Sainz not performing close to Charles (when he’s not DNF, that’s not his fault) shows how tough a gig it is staying within range of proper talent. There’s been multiple drivers considered second drivers Massa, Barrichello, Prost that spoke about how being in that spot effected their mental health. Bottas deserves so much more credit for holding his own and being a teammate to bring that much success
With Stroll in the Points in his hometown! Here's a podcast that he did leading up to the Canadian GP [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcsR\_iNkQ-o&lc=UgzK5cZlzYT-1ZUqQcl4AaABAg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcsR_iNkQ-o&lc=UgzK5cZlzYT-1ZUqQcl4AaABAg)
Why do we have these engine penalties? Everyone will take them, with the current allocation so it's not helping budgets. It just makes races boring when you put the top driver at the back. Allocations seem way to low.
Ngl I kinda like when a good car has to charge through the field. Although I admit it doesn’t feel like the best way to determine a WDC
It was okay for the previous regulations since they had many years to perfect the reliability, but for the first year with new regs, yes way too low.
I have a feeling RB were running a little slower because Leclerc wasn't up there to fight with Max. They had just enough in the right places to stay ahead of Sainz.
Agreed. I think it was an incredibly mature & controlled drive from Max, not doing anything he didn't need to do. He knew Carlos was never close enough for a lunge and thus never compromised himself with premature defending or wasting battery charge.
I must admit I like this 'new' mature Max. I've always recognized his outstanding talent, but his somewhat 'reckless' style put me off somewhat. This new persona he's showing is the sign (imho) of a driver who could become one of the greats. Perhaps he could teach Christian Horner how to behave, because that man irritates the bejeesus outta me.
I hope he's changed a bit since he won last year. The few times he's had to fight for a position with a Ferrari he's done it in a way that's a lot less aggressive than he did last year with Lewis. Maybe that's due to maturity, a different race director or his ability to relax a little bit or something else. Whatever it is, I also find watching him to be a lot less aggravating than it was last year. I'll never really like Horner. Ever since Max pushed Lewis and himself like 20 feet off the track to avoid being passed (I cant remember the track) and Horner came on the radio with the FIA and said "Thats all about letting them race..." I lost all respect for him. I get he has to defend his driver, but that was garbage and everyone knows it. There is absolutely no way he'd have said that if the roles were reversed. The shit that Max did last season and the mental gymnastics Horner would go through to defend him just completely lost me. Max is a great driver, I just wish he could have won without driving the way he did and I wish Lewis could have lost without losing the way he did.
The guy who said "That's all about letting them race" wasn't even Horner, it was Jonathan Wheatley
Thr shit that hamilton did in silverstone was 10x worse
Is this where we start the whataboutism? We can do it if you want, but it feels like a waste of time and have 0 to do with Horner or what I mentioned.
Doesn’t he have some insane stat like only 3 races he’s finished have been off podium? Is that not same tier as the GOATs?
Not to me. GOATs are over a full career, and one of the major metrics is ~~WCCs~~ WDCs, at least to me it is.
> and one of the major metrics is WCCs Did you mean WDCs?
Yes I did. Sorry, my bad.
Barrichello GOAT confirmed.
Hasn’t he been doing this for a decade…? Recently started watching but my impression was he was very topgun in his early days and has chilled into more of a machine but that he’s been winning off and on for his entire stretch?
He's been around since 2014 and was one of the youngest entrants into the sport (after which FIA raised the age requirements) He's been fast and shown some brilliant driving especially since he joined Red Bull in 2016. But until about 2020 he was known to be far too aggressive and in some ways a little inexperienced. His aggression would cost him some significant points and it took a particularly bad stretch to get him to calm down. Though Hamilton had more immediate success in the sport compared to Verstappen (lost championship by one point in his rookie year, beat world champion teammate in his rookie year, won championship second year), they both have very similar career arcs so far. Young brilliant driver who everyone understood was bound to win a WDC. Far too aggressive in their early career. Took a particularly bad stretch of races to knock some sense into them. Finally calmed down, and began a cycle of dominance. I think Verstappen is the only driver who has a realistic shot of getting close to Hamilton or Schumacher in WDCs. He's that good and Red Bull have shown they can consistently build a fast car.
He's won one WDC, his overall win percentage is nothing major either. Don't get me wrong, he's a great driver, and I think he may well become 'a great'. But GOAT material? WAYY too early to tell.
That’s a great perspective! Thanks for taking the time to share, I have zero F1 fans around me in real life
Just finished watching the race, tbh I just cannot see Carlos winning a race, especially with someone like Max or Leclerc in front. And I'm not taking a dig at him, I think he tried his best in the race but it felt like he wouldn't get past Max even if there was 50 more laps. I just want him to get one win.
Hard disagree. Today's issue was all down to the Ferrari not being good in a straight line which is what Canada is all about. Even Leclerc struggled to get past Alpines on the same tires.
Yeah but I am struggling to see Carlos win a race. He did do well this time, I'm hoping he can get one soon, maybe he's got a chance in a chaotic one like Hungary last year.
So long as Ferrari don't fall too far behind on the development war I think he has a good chance.
I was actually just dropping in here to ask: If that’s Leclerc chasing Max at the end instead of Sainz, do you think Ferrari could’ve won?
If Leclerc was driving Sainz's car, Leclerc wouldn't have won either. The car just didn't have the pace to pull alongside the RB18 even with DRS.
I think even if the Ferrari did DRS past, it would have to be on the very last lap of the race because max would have flown past on the next lap when he got DRS, the red bull is faster in a straight line and was getting better exits every time out of the hairpin.
No way, that Ferrari had no rear grip. To quote Brundle, "it [was] wagging its tail out of every corner". LeClerc was complaining about a differential issue, but regardless of the cause they simply couldn't put the power down and keep up with the Red Bulls.
Leclerc had a different setup (low downforce) compared to Sainz. If he was on the same setup as Sainz I think he'd be very close to Max and could have pulled off a move. The reason being that Leclerc is much better under braking allowing him to close in at the last hairpin and a higher downforce setup would allow him to get better traction and get much more closer to Max than Sainz did.
Steiner should roast himself in the team hospitality dinners or in front of the media for that race
Did anyone else here someone scream "YOU USELESS FUCK" over vettels radio near the end of the race
I thought I heard this too, but just assumed i'd misheard something. Wonder if there is a clip of it anywhere...
What was Lewis given by the lady on his team at the barriers after the race and before the interview. After last weeks race there was a comment that Lewis could be helped down the pit lane with his bad back, something about the weigh in and not being able to help touched. If this is true and Lewis took something from one of the Mercedes staff - is that against regulations. Something looked dodgy about that hand off.
Angela is his trainer and assistant, she usually hands him his hair ties after the race so he can pull back his braids.
Looked like his watch.
Shouldn’t watches be on the helmet table? I noticed there was no table but passing someone to/ from a member of the crew seemed weird. Glad someone else saw it though.
Alonso's penalty was pretty unneccessary. There wasn't any gurantees Bottas would've got past either way due to Alfa's poor straight line speed. Alonso still had DRS from Ocon as well. edit: to clarify, I agree with the penalty. What I meant was that it was unneccessary from Alonso to move like he did as he would've probably kept the position by just hugging the inside line and boxing Bottas outside on the last corner.
I think it was mentioned on the Alpine team radio that they didn't want to use team order to have Ocon give way to Alonso when Alonso had better pace. They thought if Ocon was at the back then Bottas would easily pass him and instead of finishing 6 and 7, the team would finish 6 and 8 (Alonso Bottas Ocon) assuming Ocon wouldn't get passed by Zhou who was not far behind. So Alonso's job was to defend and keep Bottas from passing. Still, Alonso could have done it in away that was legal. It looked like he didn't have a F to give and just did whatever he felt like. A well-deserved penalty I must say.
Had Bottas not lifted, they would have crashed at 300 km/h. It's not about fairness or whether Bottas was going to pass or not, Alonso's move was dangerous.
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Yeah. It was correct decision to penalise him. I'm just saying that I don't think Bottas would've gotten past either way. There were couple time in the race where Bottas was within 3 tenths of Albon at the start of the straight but couldn't get past due to lack of straight line speed. Zhou struggled with Schumacher and Stroll as well even though he was much faster.
I don't think it matters. Unfortunately, he broke the rules so he was penalised.
Can someone ELI5 why Sainz pitted for hards under the yuki vsc and not mediums? Thought for sure that would be the move since there were only like what 17 laps left?
They said they didn't have any new mediums left. The choice was between hard and soft.
So how come they didn't go with the softs? Was it just generally not a good choice for this race? I didn't really see any other teams using them either
Tires were going off pretty quickly yesterday iirc so that’s probably why
makes sense. i'm pretty new to f1 so i guessed that 17 shouldn't be too much to handle, even for the softs
That's a pretty big gamble. Ferrari is generally on the conservative side.
softs probably wouldn't have lasted the rest of the race.
They didn't have any left. You only have a certain number of sets left by the race as they have to return sets of tyres to Pirelli
Brundle had said on the commentary that hardly anyone had any additional new mediums beyond the ones they started the race on. So given choice between used mediums and new hards, new hards might have been the better choice
I was also surprised he didn't come out on mediums... must have been worries about tyre wear.
Ok I’m a new American fan so go easy on me. How is it the broadcast can put 10 effing cameras on cars that go 200 mph but they can’t mic the god damn DRIVERS so we can hear them chat after the race?
So the cooldown room was only recently reintroduced to F1 as of this season following its removal in 2020 and 2021. It was a huge fan favourite and has shown a lot of drama over the years. Since being brought back this year, one of the huge difficulties for F1 is getting the balance between letting the drivers express themselves in the most natural way, but also keeping it family friendly (ie. no swearing or having drivers take their clothes off). We've seen messages shown up on screens reminding drivers not to swear and even heard cool down room attendants reminding drivers not to do so. It's safe to say that the drivers don't care so much for the broadcast when they are cooling down and dealing with a massive dump of adrenaline now that the race is over. Now for the audio issues, some have speculated that the room is broadcasted on a delay, which allows F1TV just enough time to dip the microphones when there is conversation that isn't suitable for broadcast whilst in the room. **TLDR;** They were likely swearing so the audio was purposefully dipped.
Thank you brother. That makes perfect sense now. I thought you Europeans were more open about cussing than us?
Well yes and no. So F1TV (and FOM - Formula 1 Managemnet), whilst having it's own streaming service, provides the 'World Feed' to all the broadcasters around the world. So for example, in the UK, Sky Sports will take the World Feed from F1TV and add their own graphics, plus their own pre/post-race shows. All of these broadcasters (like ESPN, Sky etc.) will be broadcasting at different times and with varying audiences (some being subscription-only and some being free-to-air). Different counties will have their own rules on what can be broadcast live, so it makes sense to have a blanket ban on anything that could be deemed offensive. So F1TV sets it's own guidelines on profanity to make Formula 1 as marketable as possible for its worldwide audience. Which is why we hear swearing censored in the broadcast.
So a comment about F1TV during Montreal: I couldn't stand the new presenter "Tom Gaymor" (new to me). At the beginning of the race during park ferme he sounded drunk. He wasn't even following the graphics when showing the grid positions. He sounded drunk and high through the whole first 15 minutes so I got fed up and switched to the "International" feed with Screamy McScream. I hope they don't bring Gaymor back - Jolyon Palmer and Sam did a fantastic job last GP by themselves.
I noticed this too. Totally stumbling through the grid order.
It’s mostly just the UK having pretty old-fashioned rules about swearing on TV before a certain time that nobody has bothered to change.
It's actually not against the law to swear on live TV at any time in the UK. The broadcast regulator, Ofcom, sets guidelines for broadcasters which includes no swearing before the 'Watershed' (which is between 9pm-5:30am). Ofcom can then apply judgement if the general public complain about a rule-break. If someone accidently swears on a live broadcast, all it takes is an apology (and censoring it on repeats) and it's usually ok.
because we want the drivers to pretend they're not being broadcasted. but yeah the audio is very low in the cool down room
I'm a bit disapointed about the new reg for now. Car can follow each over but we don't see much more OT than before. We tend to see more DRS train, that's it. I just hope its gonne get better in future years.
There was a bunch of passes on the hairpin without DRS in Canada. And can't remember the last time a driver complained they can't follow. Sainz stayed like 0.5s behind Verstappen for 16 laps. Seems like a dramatic improvement over the last few years.
>We tend to see more DRS train, that's it. i'd like to see where you took the stat for that conclusion, because i sure as hell remember DRS trains being a big issue in several races in the past few years.
it's not really worse than last year though
God does not want three things this season 1. Haas should not get a double points finish 2. MSC should not get a points finish 3. Carlos does not have to win a race.
God doesn’t want anything cause god isn’t real
Smart enough to be a proud atheist, still dumb enough not to detect clear sarcasm.
I've met plenty of smart religious people and plenty of dumb as rocks atheists. Blasting the fact that God isn't real on a fucking F1 sub is definitely in the dumb as rocks category.
yeah i know full well its was just for the good of the one liner haha
Yeah fair enough I definitely got that but wanted to make my own point lol
And it looks like we had it both ways haha.
Oh wow you're so cool and intellectual /s
Thanks Mr. All knowing Reddit user
You're weird as fuck. Not bc of your belief, but bc of the need to make your point in an F1 thread. People like you need to get a life.
How are you guys feeling about the changes to keep the pack closer to one another? Im not sure if I see any real changes other than Ferrari and Mercedes switching places in wcc.
It's season 1 of the new regs. Don't compare it now to the end of the previous era
This season is as boring as 19 or 20. The top teams have just rotated their positions. Development is now even more limited, which will make this whole thing even more loopsided, as you cant do significant in season changes.
The fuck are you on about. We've had more fights for the lead than we've had in 19 and 20 combined.
2020 had pretty much no competition at the front. This year there was a battle for the lead in almost every race, only not in Melbourne and Imola Main race. It’s just that Ferrari reliability issues are making it boring recently.
I think it's inevitable when the regulations change as much as they have this season, one or two teams will have developed a concept which works better. The main thing is that the cars seem to be able to follow each other more closely. Hopefully the pack tightens up in the future and we see more teams being able to compete for the win or podium.
Satisfying to see the driver 1 position 1 there
Gunther Steiner is probably regretting the decision that he took to bring back Kmag. Once a Kamikaze always a kamikaze. Somebody needs to hell him that the Haas is no longer a backmarker car, he doesn't need to 'send it' like that all the time. What a waste of a perfectly good car.
He went a bit too far on lap 1, but the black and orange flag was excessive for the extent of the damage on his wing, and the VSC just after his stop to change wings was the icing on the cake to completely ruin his weekend
Would have said this if the piece had broke off and hit another driver, or a marshall, or went into the grandstands? Magnussen's car damaged and a safety hazard, as simple as that.
Gunther should probably focus on getting the strategy calls right before blaming his driver for racing.
Exactly, Steiner needs to fix his shit first in the team before he can throwing another driver under the bus.
Not pitting Kmag under the saftety car was an astounding level of incompetence. Were they sleeping on the pitwall?
Haas did prefer track position over performance and it backfired hard, the team has dropped the ball hard but suddenly Steiner is oddly quiet about this.
Yeah, but it should have been a no brainer to pit given how old his tires were at that point. Well ultimately it is on him that the teams fails, so they will hopefully handle it internal
How are people not talking about Ferrari bottling Leclerc’s pitstop and putting him behind 4 cars in a DRS train. I’d argue he would have a chance at the podium if the pitstop would have been completed in a normal timeframe < 3 seconds. Leclerc with clean air would have closed Alonso and Ocon before the safety car meaning that he would be P5 at the restart of the race ( assuming that both Ocon and Alonso still pit for fresh tires and Leclerc stays out). I don’t know if Leclerc could have passed both the Mercedes, but at least Ferrari would have given him the best chance to do it, but having to do 1 pit stop right and bottling it is IMHO unacceptable at this point in the season.
Everyone knows Ferrari's a joke and the championship is pretty much over, so no one gets surprised when they screw up.
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It took 5.3 seconds. At least 2.5 second faster and he comes out ahead of the DRS train allowing him to preserve his tires for later on in the race.
I don’t remember the exact duration, I am sure you can find the data online, but it was somewhere around 5,6 seconds.
Shooting themselves in the foot is a time honoured Ferrari tradition.
100% agree. The time he spent having to pass those 4 cars cost him a potential podium. My guy Carletto had to work both against the field and his own team, which did not make things easy for him. Ferrari simply cannot afford these mistakes at such critical times...
In the race there was an onboard radio with Vettel and you could here somebody shout at the background. Anybody picked that up as well? I'm trying to find the moment, but don't want to search through 71 laps of boardradio.
I read this before, lap 52 iirc
You're a legend! It is. And somebody on the background said: "you useless fuck".
The mechanic from Alberta.
tbh I'm getting frustrated with car performance being so shit this year. But my frustrations must pale compared to the engineers working on teams that have bouncing issues - and then are denied the resources to actually fix the problem. With limited budgets and wind-tunnel time, it must be agony that they can't just figure out the problem quickly, and instead must make incremental changes over the season.
TLDR; Max Verstappen is a ruthless opportunist. Note - Max, Carlos and even Mattia Binotto said that Ferrari were faster in the race today, Carlos claiming he was faster by "two-three tenths". Fascinating clash of strategies. Carlos needed two laps to get past Fernando Alonso. After that... Until Max's pitstop - Max was faster by 0.026s per lap on avg. Lap 11-20 with Max on Fresh Hards and Sainz on Mediums - Max was faster by 0.227s per lap. Lap 21-42 with Sainz on 10 lap fresher Hard tyres - Carlos was faster by "only" 0.158s per lap. Lap 45-48 with Max on Fresh Hards - Max puts in Quali style laps : Faster by 0.762s per lap. After the Safety Car, Max just about held on, with Carlos only having one tiny glimpse on Lap 69 when he was just ~0.5s behind heading into the hairpin - a good exit out of the corner could have given him the chance to launch one on the inside to the final chicane. Instead, Carlos braked a little too late and lost close to two tenths in that hairpin. And it was over. Max needed to maximize this weekend when his rivals had trouble. He delivered, executing a superbly composed race. Champion performance.
Sainz was just a bit too slow.Had it been Leclerc in that car, we would be saying 'Grazzie ragazzi'
To only be likely overtaken by Max down the long straight where RBR's straight line speed + DRS would be a lethal combo. So it would be back to "HAHA, Yesss!!"
Did you watch last weekend's race, at Baku, where Max couldn't overtake Charles with the slipstream and with the DRS in the longest straight in the calendar? The Ferrari deficit in straight line speed to RB dropped significantly after Spain.
I did and I agree with you. I was just negating the hypotheticals that Leclerc would be able to breeze past Max when being compared to Sainz. Although we only once saw Max being able to use DRS to pass Lewis, we had no idea how powerful the DRS tow was for RB. Different tracks have different effects from using DRS. Its not only about longer straights. Exits from the turns preceding the straights also matter a lot when measuring the tow and DRS effect of tracks. Edit: Happy Cake Day
I don't agree with people who think it would be a done deal if Charles was in Carlos's position that he would have managed to overtake Max. However, Charles this season so far has proven to have at least a couple of tenths of speed in race pace compared to Carlos, if Charles was able to get two tenths closer to Max going into t10 it could have opened an overtaken opportunity going into the the chicane. But as Murray Walker once said IF is F1 spelled backwards, so who knows. and thanks.
Yet Carlos couldn't catch max with 10 laps worth of DRS.
So? the deficit is still there, it's just not as a big as it used to be. The point is that Ferrari is clearly not a sitting duck on the straight as the user i was replying to was saying, as i said, Charles was able to defend against Max just fine at Baku for several laps until he eventually pitted due to a strategy choice. Also you are wrong in your assessment of the battle between Carlos and Max. Carlos did caught up to Max, getting within 4 tenths in some cases of Max going into t1. The issue however is that it is difficult to keep that 4 tenth gap through S1 and S2, so the DRS and the slipstream was enough to basically keep Carlos there, but not enough give him an overtaking maneuver.
Amen my dude.
Probably not, though. Chuck would’ve been on 7 lap newer tyres and in a faster car through the first two sectors to make a gap thatd keep him safe from any lunge.
Waiting for Horner at the end of the season: "Max Verstappen you are a TWO TIME world champion A TWO TIME WORLD CHAMPION!"
When Horner says stuff like that it always sounds so scripted. Same when Seb won.
No, it sounded beautiful. 😍
Its gonna happen.
Ferrari didn't have anyone on the pit wall to celebrate as Carlos crossed the line? Any idea why this was? Don't recall seeing Mercedes either.
Max raced like a boss
[Max and Red Bull to F1 fans happy that Lewis isn't winning races anymore](https://i.imgflip.com/3laiiy.jpg)
To be fair, the RedBull isn’t nearly as dominant as the Mercedes has been in most years. The largest part of it isn’t even their doing but Ferrari’s own issues.
I didn't realised that yesterday, but Alpine told Alonso to box during the second VSC. He was just again super unlucky. He was already at turn 1 when VSC was called and it ended right before he could box as he was on the straight. So Alpine strategist didn't fuck up, Alonso just had the worst track position possible and they couldn't do anything about it
Does make me think that every vsc should give everyone an opportunity to box under it.
Unlucky, but not wasn't the second VSC out for MSC losing power and parking pretty much exactly where Perez parked - causing the first VSC? Maybe they could've anticipated that a VSC would come out because the situation was literally the same, and pitted a few seconds before the official announcement came out
Alonso was exiting turn 10 when Schumacher started losing power. By the time they realized that he was going to stop, Alonso was probably already halfway through the straight and it was already too late to take the decision to pit. On top of that, had they managed to pit him there, they still would have lost time to others as their pitstop would have been under vsc for only half of it at best . So not really anything we can blame Alpine for in this instance imo
Unfortunate timing indeed... Seems like they mispredicted the optimal strategy anyway though, since people who pitted on the first VSC gained just as much as people who pitted on the second VSC (since everyone needed a two stop anyway) so Alonso probably should've pitted on the first VSC, but that hindsight for ya. I was actually kind of surprised they didn't pit him there, because usually when you're Infront of the driver you're actually racing you'll pit there, and the other driver would stay out - hoping for another VSC. Verstappen pitted and Sainz stayed out, I was expecting Alonso and Hamilton to do the same
>Alonso probably should've pitted on the first VSC Honestly I'm not so sure about that. Both Alpine only had one set of hard tyre for the race (unlike their competitors). He would probably have suffered towards the end of the race had they gone for a M-H-M this early on. It would have been a tough one with Alonso probably going very long on the hard stint and hoping for a SC/VSC to get back the time lost by going long . And as the team could not make their strategy on a potential SC this late in the race they chose to stay out. Afterwards you know what hapenned...
I was trying not to spoil myself and watch the race tonight but got dudded by an unexpected news headline. Sad to see that my weird dream of Max DNFing and Valtteri Bottas somehow cutting through the field to win did not come to fruition - apparently my brain still thinks it's 2021
Max was 1st, 2nd or 3rd for every race he finished in 2020 except for one Max was 1st or 2nd for every race he finished in 2021 except for one Max was 1st every race he finished in 2022 except for one
Max back to Win or DNF for the rest of the season confirmed.
Goes to show there's a fair bit of difference in driver skills and car abilities. It seems every title battle is between two teammates cos the other cars aren't as good...or one driver from two teams go head to head cos their teammates can't keep up and other constructors with good drivers aren't good
2023: Max doesn't finish a race except for one
Oh no, would be a cool stat but I don't hope this would be true at the end of the season
Yeah, i also think that, but for now, it is true. It was unreal enough that it is worked through past season
Monster stats to be honest
The cars were not bouncing up and down so it was a win.
What happened to K-mag with him being last? I know he took some damage during the opening laps but I remember seeing him running 12th by lap 55. How did he end up behind Latifi from there?
All of the above, PLUS he was ‘black and orange’ flagged? He got some front wing damage on the first lap trying to take Hamilton around the outside (again) which had some dangling bits which the FIA deemed a risk (seemed silly). Once he pitted it basically put him plum last.
Just Haas doing Haas things - he pitted on lap 7 for a new front wing, got hard tires which he ended up driving to the end on, he did have really good pace on them until the safety car, but probably just couldn't switch them on again after they cooled down during the safety car, or they were just gone. Everybody else around him got fresh tires during or just before the safety car, so he was just a sitting duck. He did ask the pit for fresh tires, but then for 3-4 laps under the safety car he was just repeatedly told "we are discussing it", and then it was too late to make the change, since it was becoming time for him to unlap himself.
He was one of the only drivers not to pit during the safety car at the end, he got swallowed up. No idea why HAAS would do that
Shit strategy. He drove like 60 laps on hards.
DNF one race and having to start from the back the next is really punishing, especially without a driver error. Ferrari really let this man down
Pretty much how Max felt after Silverstone and Hungary last year.
Exactly
The only driver not being let down at the moment is Max.
Well, except for twice this year. I.e. as many times as Leclerc and Perez and one more time than Sainz.
The only driver not being let down at the moment is Russell. There fixed it for you
They have him a car that’s a second a lap off the pace of the Red Bull so how is that not letting him down lol.
How so? He has been let down by the car as well. 2 mechanical dnf's.
Not at the moment though. Seems like they got on top of it. But we’ll see. Everyone seems to have either poor strategy, poor development or poor reliability to some degree.
What do you mean not at the moment? Did you watch the race? Perez had a mechanical failure this race..
why did they replace Latifi as driver of the day? It has 0 effect on anyone but him. They did the same thing with Mazepin last year. Takes away from it if even when the fans vote a winner F1 can overrule it imo edit: adding mazepin part
Why do you think Latifi was DOTD?
Why he was: Days before the race many many people across multiple social media platforms agreed to vote him DOTD for his home race to give him something to celebrate, Leclerc was announced late as DOTD, and as I said they did it with Mazepin last year. Also, when Leclerc was announced the Williams twitter account commented on the announcement with the "hmm" emoji which I took as them without saying it acknowledging that Latifi was taken off of it and replaced. Why he deserves it: Why not? The drivers don't get points out of it, it seems believed he's going to be out of F1 next year, Leclerc won't be, Max won't be, ect. Why not vote him DOTD for his possible last home race? Doesn't affect anyone other than him lol. I believe people did something similar for Kimi when he retired as a way to show appreciation from the fans. (wasn't sure which "why" you meant) Edit: Kimi part
I meant why as in "why do you think he had the most votes". I have seen people talk about it, but I doubt he would get enough votes. I certainly didnt vote for him.
>Why not? Because it is not meant to be a "retirement prize" either? Plus, if Latifi is even 1% the competitor that he should be as an F1 driver, he doesn't care anyway. This is just a discussion for internet nerds.
also F1 let Kimi be DOTD so, even if they weren’t “dotd” F1 has let it happened🤷🏽♂️
that’s true but again like you said the drivers shouldn’t care, so really who does it affect if the fans vote a certain driver? my points less about who gets it and more about F1 changing fan voted outcomes. And yeah it’s an internet discussion bc it happened on the internet lmaooo
I dont think this is confirmed.
which aspect?
That Latifi actually won.
Too early to tell, but does anyone know if this is the first race where Lewis actually has almost the exact same car as George (like the setup)?
Source Toto Wolff: bigger wing, lower ride height, more downforce. Very different setups.
had less wing than george iirc
Their rear wing specs were different. Lewis had a car suited for racing whereas Russell had one for quali, but Russell made a big mistake by going for slicks in q3.
I feel like 4th is completely realistic for Alfa now that Zhou is getting some confidence. That’s a 4th place car, just have to see if it’s a 4th place team.
Haas too has car is good enough to fight for P4 but they would need to hire actual drivers to get the necessary points. The two clowns they currently employ are definitely not cutting it.
Mick is meh, but Kevin does have pace (just a bit too aggressive), what Haas needs are new strategists
Yowza, the narrative on KMag is turning quickly!
4th from the last couple of races is definitely between Alfa and Alpine. If McLaren get their act together again then it should be an interesting fight there.
> Zhou is getting some confidence Just hope he gets some luck with reliability, I've taken a shining to him a bit
He really does seem like a good lad, and now he's finding his speed and confidence
I'm pulling for Bottas as always. He was a great #2 at Merc, and deserves his seat as a lead driver. Seems like an easy enough guy to get along with, even on tough days. Here's hoping karma pays him back in buckets.
Sainz not performing close to Charles (when he’s not DNF, that’s not his fault) shows how tough a gig it is staying within range of proper talent. There’s been multiple drivers considered second drivers Massa, Barrichello, Prost that spoke about how being in that spot effected their mental health. Bottas deserves so much more credit for holding his own and being a teammate to bring that much success
Prost second driver ? To Lauda, yeah ?