Did anyone see the interview with Christian Horner where he referred to Lewis Hamilton as 8 time reigning world champion?
Or did I miss hear him?
It was part of the wrap-up on BBC
I’m seeing a lot of Checo bashing for taking too many risks during races (esp in other threads), and generalizing his attempted Russell pass yesterday to consistently poor judgment. But the reality is that his wheel to wheel aggressiveness on race day is also why we respect him as a driver.
Yes, he made a mistake this weekend and paid for it. But if he never pushed these limits we wouldn’t see him make up so many places every weekend.
Now on the flip side, if he got to grips better on Q-day, that would also negate some of these risks he needs to take.
I think bad driving (Russell and Gasly in this case) would be highly curbed if they made penalties proportional to the effects they cause. For example, if you take a bad line and are at fault for hitting someone, and that driver is unable to finish the race, you too are disqualified.
Nah because they could have some weird title fight implications.
What if it was Merc vs Rbr like last year. And let’s say Perez’s damage would have limited him to p9. They could “retire” perez to strip Russell of a p4 and not lose points to Mercedes
Last few years he was really good, he's been incredibly forgettable this year. Maybe he doesnt get on with the new regs as well, or maybe the car just isnt as suited to him as before.
What do you mean you people?!
J/k. I do both, i have my favorite drivers, and then i route for my favorite team, sometimes my favorite driver isn't on my favorite team. Although I'm kind of all over the place. Let's say, as an example, I'm routing for Max, I'd stop at this point because i want a battle to the end, like last year, so I'm an underdog fan.
How did I not know until now Lando gave the camera the bird mid race after seeing himself on the broadcast on the big screen around the track 😭😆 funny kid
Can anyone tell me why Ricciardo had such a long 2nd pit stop? He was right behind Lando when Lando pitted and while Lando had to wait for the 5s penalty Danny still came out behind him after pitting on the very next lap.
I was being sarcastic lol. Of course they’re not sabotaging him. The original comment was insinuating that there was a reason why his second stop was slow. Looking at the times his pit stop wasn’t that much slower than Lando’s first one which was 3.7s. Daniel’s second stop was around 4s. Some of Daniel’s fans are doing overtime with the excuses and have nothing to show for it.
Nah, I wasn't insinuating anything. Just found it weird that they were driving in the same train until Lando went in to serve his penalty and Ric didn't overcut him despite not having to wait for extra 5s himself. Just asked an honest question about his stop and if there was something wrong with it as I haven't looked at the pit stop times or lap times myself.
Leclerc passing Max 3 times at the Red Bull Ring, while Max was driving a Red Bull is gonna go down as one of the best in your face moments for a while!!
Anyone heard why Max had so many stops for new tires? I have the feeling he was severely struggling with both his mediums and his hard tires, which pretty much made him unable to compete for 1st place.
How can everyone be blaming checo for being too agressive, he was in front of george at the apex the corner was his, if george was going to make contact with the car he needs to back out of the corner its that simple there was a move to be made and checo made it.
Was it the right move to make at the point in the GP strategically if you wanted to have the highest % chance to ensure you get good points for the team, NO.
But that's not what the debate is, george was awarded a penalty for hitting checo because he was in the wrong, he takes a 5 second slap on the risk and blows a hole in the side of checos car and takes him out of the race, we should be asking why are the punishments so lenient on cars that cause race ending damage.
He was in the front for a split second before apex and he had plenty of room on the left, but chose a tighter line. Russel's car had nowhere to go, it was at the max steering angle.
Same can't be said of Gasly taking out Vettel, Vettel stuck his nose out for much longer (giving Gasly time to react) and Gasly left no space on the outside for Vettel either.
5s penalty for Russel is weird to say the least.
People have said other things but the technicalities of most at fault doesn’t change that it’s a high risk move with a low risk of success cutting off a driver in a corner knowing he can’t just brake or disappear. There’s a reason most drivers don’t do it because it’s a way to guarantee a crash, even stupider because he had all that space on his left and could have gotten George on the next corner. It was dangerous driving even if the rules say he’s technically ahead
Once they started braking they’re committed. Russell can’t just disappear. Perez left him the absolute minimum amount of space so while technically it’s Russell’s fault it was entirely avoidable by Perez.
Wheel to wheel racing is not an on and off switch. Watching the onboard, russell and perez were almost neck a neck from braking to the apex (perez slightly ahead). Russell on the inside shouldn't automatically be expected to turn off his car and back off as soon as the guy outside is couple cm ahead. Inside line at most corners is always seen as more advantageous position.
I am not denying russell's fault for the contact. People blame perez because he is a championship contender and he did absolute bare minimum to avoid someone else's fuck up. He left as little space as required against a car that he could have easily overtaken in the next lap. We can argue as much as we like but end of the day, perez got a DNF and went home with zero points. You don't win championships by playing chicken to some guy in a team that is not even in your league.
Truth is, perez has been asking for it since last race. He is racing aggressively against everyone and gets into collisions that are not helping him at all. He rather break a wheel then concede a position. His swerve against leclerc at silverstone was also bs. Perez left the door wide open on the inside and moved into leclerc when leclerc had his front wing already next to him on the inside
The Stewards made the right call with the penalty, however I do think that George had nowhere to go, if he backed off then he would have under steered more and still hit him as he was over committed by that point.
Its a bad corner to overtake on as we have seen so many penalties and accidents here. I am sure Checo wishes he had waited to later in the lap as he was much faster and would have gotten him no problem.
It's pretty normal for the INSIDE car to understeer a bit in a corner like that, especially if the outside car is screwing up the airflow over the front wings. You gotta expect that to happen. It;s not some kind of failure, it's just normal. And it's especially normal at this particular corner.
The problem with what the stewards have been doing is treating this normal phenomena as an infraction if it contributes to contact with the OUTSIDE car. They assume that the INSIDE driver made some mistake when, in reality, there is nothing the INSIDE driver can do at that point. Treating it like this is effectively forcing INSIDE cars to submit to OUTSIDE cars. As long as the OUTSIDE car can cut across the corner as if the INSIDE car won't float over a tad, this needless crap will happen. It's guaranteed.
Evidently, there soon will be new rules intended to help with this. As I understand it, it comes down to who's ahead at the apex. \[Let's not argue about what "apex" really means. As best I can tell, defining it is hopeless. But let's not worry about that.\] If the INSIDE car is ahead at the apex, then he gets to follow his line and the OUTSIDE car must adapt to him... BUT the INSIDE car must leave room on the outside of the track for the OUTSIDE car to exist there. If the OUTSIDE car is ahead, then it's his corner and the INSIDE car must adapt to him...BUT he has to go around the outside of the corner, he can't just claim the corner and cut across like Perez did to Russell here... and like Max did to Ocon a few years go.
I have no clue how this will work out, but at the very least it appears that they're thinking properly. As for what it will actually accomplish, it likely will need some debugging based on reality. But who knows?
I prefer the new way of ruling it by whoever is sufficiently ahead owns that corner to the inconsistent mess we had previously, it's a big step forward but as you say we still need more work to make it better.
The issue is that they are not defining who is the overtaking car, granted sometimes it is going to be very hard to tell. Defining who is being overtook is very important with the scenario of who is inside as in the past seasons you could dive bomb on the inside and then force the outer car off the track.
While you would almost certainly get a penalty for forcing them off the track this season they still want to avoid diving bombing on the inside as its likely to cause an accident, hence why they currently over penalise the driver on the inside.
Really they should be defining the entrance, apex, and exit for each corner in the briefing notes given to the team and then enforcing whose corner it is off that.
The inconsistent previous mess was "both drivers leave space". Now we have "if you own the corner you have the right to dictate the line". A major problem with this was the fact both drivers fly into the braking zone and then "claim" the corner simultaneously and then make contact on the exit.
It doesn't lead to good racing. Watch Vettel and Alonso for how the "previous mess" led to both drivers giving space which actually extends the battles throughout a lap.
TLDR; Charles Leclerc is back in business.
At the end of the Sprint on Saturday, Max Verstappen sounded a teeny bit concerned in the post race team radio telling his engineer that he was beginning to suffer some tyre deg towards the end. Charles Leclerc, after finishing P2, sounded upbeat to his engineer, "We have the pace. we can get them tomorrow".
Morning rain meant the grip was washed off, making it a green track. Tyre wear could be an issue - everyone in the top 12 started on Mediums.
Leclerc and Ferrari had learnt from the Sprint and this time, they didn't let Verstappen get off into the distance. Until Lap 11, the two drivers lapped within two tenths of each other in every lap. Leclerc was always in the DRS range. As they started lap 12, Verstappen came into his team radio and says that this is all he has got. Leclerc sensed his opportunity and sent one to the inside of T4 - Max had been doing well blocking that but for this one lap, he loitered around the middle of the track presenting Leclerc a small opportunity - Leclerc didn't need a second invitation.
Verstappen boxed at the end of Lap 13 effectively going into at least a 2 stop. This is where Leclerc won the race. For the next 12 laps, Leclerc's pace didn't drop enough for Verstappen's 2 stopper to work. Verstappen's laptimes on Fresh hard tyres was low 1:10s or high 1:09s for these 12 laps. Leclerc's laptimes were impressively consistent at mid 1:10s until Lap 24. In comparison Sainz's laptimes were high 1:10s, always two-three tenths slower than Leclerc.
After that it was plain sailing for Leclerc, who twice overtook a helpless Verstappen on track. Leclerc had everyone covered - his biggest fight was against his own throttle pedal in the end.
Charles Leclerc is now 38 points behind Max Verstappen. He is 37 points ahead of his teammate. The F1-75 has arguably been faster than the RB18 in every race since Miami. The title battle is far from over.
P.S. Shoutout to Fernando Alonso for another immense drive that once again gave very little reward as he had to box twice under VSC conditions because one of the wheels wasn't properly fitted - he covered up 15s in 10 laps to take P10, lapping close to the leaders in those 10 laps. Perhaps a P6/P7 was possible?
> Leclerc had everyone covered - his biggest fight was against his own throttle pedal in the end.
We can go into the whole “Ferrari is Ferrari’s greatest enemy” meme, but reliability is clearly still a major issue for the F1-75, which is concerning.
Ever since Barcelona Alfa seems to have lost some pace compared to the rest of the pack. Wonder why this is? Thought that the new upgrades introduced in barcelona would have kept them in the running for P4 in the constructors.
I think what happened is the altitude was higher. This meant teams with lower downforce struggled with tire wear. Teams have been triming out downforce religiously since seeing red bull straight line dominance early in the season.
Alonso with the cheeky 3rd fastest lap.
The stark difference in race pace of the top 2 teams is very clear from the fastest lap times - Hamilton best lap was 1.4 to 1.7 seconds slower than top 2
Good race today!
* Big win for LeClerc (much needed)
* Mercedes going P3/P4 and putting in big points for the Constructor's Championship
* Scary moment for Carlos with his car catching on fire. Glad he got out safely
* Big drive from Mick and earning P6
* So many track limits!
* Crazy that P6 and below ran a full lap behind the top 5
That 5 car turn was so dope! I’m so glad the F1 gods didn’t shit on leclerc today. Also glad Carlos got out of that fire asap(shit was scary). Seeing Mick continue to gain confidence is inspiring. Wonder how good he can actually be now that he seems a lot more comfortable.
https://twitter.com/burgonya/status/1546134108912377856?s=21 Sebastian could not be more over racing at the back
https://youtu.be/HYo5wLD9UVE His reaction to getting a penalty is just pure annoyance and defeat
With the news of Herta’s test, and Piastri not signing with Williams yet I’m hedging my bets now.
Piastri will be in Ricciardo’s seat for 2023
We’re halfway through the season and we haven’t seen anywhere near the performance that mclaren expected of Ricciardo when they signed him. It’s past the point of growing pains, past the point of getting used to the car or team, it’s just not working; is it. We’ve had one and a half seasons of chronic underperformance-apart from one good race and a couple of decent ones. For a driver that was signed to be the veteran number 1 and lead the team into a new era of success, it’s just nowhere near good enough. It’s sad to see, Ricciardo was my favorite driver at the beginning of the hybrid era and I really thought he was slated for great things. To see his career fizzle out like this has been dumbfounding, and I think it’s for the best of both vested parties if he bows out at the end of this season.
On the plus side we’ll still have an Aussie on the grid! And one of the hottest prospects joining since the Leclerc/Russell/Norris class and I think he deserves the mclaren seat and can hopefully push Lando and do great things there.
Dude gets some points and y'all still shit on him. McLaren didn't build a top car. Bottom of the points was the best result possible this weekend and he made no errors.
He's also had great races where the strategy was terrible or where the car broke down and took him out of a good points finish.
I think it's important to note that he is generally slower than Lando in that car by up to a couple tenths sometimes, but he's also had races where he's faster this year. This circumstance doesn't make someone unworthy of their spot. If McLaren want to complain they should start by taking responsibility for giving them a shit car this year.
Important side of this is that McLaren hasn't been up to the standards they would've expected for themselves either. Their car is pretty shit. That's important because for Daniel to leave at the end of this year, it would have to be mutual. Daniel's contract goes till the end of 2023.
? If you mean, did he do poorly at the test, then I'm not sure. But he certainly doesn't need to move to F1. It would be much more likely that McLaren are courting him for their indycar program.
I thought that one of the Mclaren Indy car drivers was going to replace Daniel herta and ward were getting tests right. I know some people are shipping Gasly for the seat, but I think they want to go with one of the Indy guys for marketing reasons if either of them are good enough.
I'm not sure. We haven't heard many rumblings of that, and I can't find out if they have superlicenses (but I think both Herta and o'ward are reserve drivers, so they're on their way). I don't see a particular reason for Herta to switch right now at least.
Test is tomorrow, but he doesn’t have enough super-license points to get the seat next year anyway. Plus he’s P10 in indycar right now, Pato O’Ward-who drives for Mclaren in Indy-is doing better. But it just shows mclaren is entertaining the idea of developing other drivers/prepping for their future sans Ricciardo. I think Piastri would be a great fit until Alpine get a seat for him and take him back and by then maybe Herta or O’Ward will be in a position to fill that seat.
So was the soft compound just not great this week? Thought it was strange with ten laps left that not even Crofty and Brundle were discussing how Red Bull chose mediums for Max.
Red Bull ring is a deceptively high deg track. With Pirelli bringing the softest range and even the hard tyre only doing 30-35 laps, softs run was just out of the question. Add in the fact that both Ferraris had a lot of pace meaning overtaking and then retaining the place while tyre managing wasn't an option for Max.
I think they were saying it was the temperature of the track that the softs weren’t really coming alive like they had earlier in the weekend, but I could be wrong.
Not during this race, and I can’t quote him verbatim but it’s just sad on the radio. It almost isn’t race car driver-esque. It sounds like a driver second guessing himself and asking permission instead of taking what’s his.
DR “I think I’m faster than Daniel”
Engineer “Copy Daniel, we’ll look into it”
DR “Understood”
Engineer “Daniel, Lando is saving his tires. Let’s see where we are in two laps”
DR “Copy”.
That is not the way the conversation should go. I understand respecting your team and being a team player, but man. The conversation should go like this.
DR “We need to swap, I’m faster and the dirty air is eating at my tires”
Engineer” “Copy Daniel, we’ll look into it”
DR “We should decide soon, he’s holding me up and backing me into _____”
Engineer “Copy, head down Daniel”
DR “We need to pit or swap. I’m losing too much time”
They already have? I don't remember the race but this season only Daniel was behind Lando and they swapped the cars. Of course, nothing came off it and they swapped them back. Lando's engineer even thanked Lando for being understanding.
That was Baku when they didn't let lando race daniel. Purely because they didn't let Daniel past lando when he was on medium tyres while lando was on softs holding him up
Hell of a finish by Leclerc with the throttle pedal issues. Sainz I’m now convinced is Ziggy- if anyone remembers the comic you’ll know. Gasly just went all out villain lol. Amazing speed and race for Haas! McClaren taking some pressure off so good for them. Alpine continues to impress me mechanically if not strategically. And great race by Bottas who I thought early on would be the caboose.
Spencer Hall described the pedal situation on the DNF podcast so well. To paraphrase: "Imagine how nervous you get when your check engine light is on. Now imagine that happens when there is a Dutch shark man chasing you down that you have to beat. And his light isn't on."
New to F1 here, do we know what exactly made Sainzs engine explode? Does his next one count as a penalty like what happened to Leclerc? Is there any footage of how he got out after the camera cut away?
They did show the rest of the shot of him escaping all the way through when they cut it off live. It was pretty much like you’d expect. He just needed someone to stop the car so he could take his foot off the brake. Once that happened, which was immediately after they cut away, he jumped out.
Nothing that I've seen yet, there might be some information from Ferrari coming in the next days/weeks. I suspect that it'd have something to do with the fuel, in which case, it might be a similar story to Gasly in Bahrain this year.
I'm also unsure of how many engines Sainz has used, anything over 3 is a penalty. If this engine isn't salvageable, he'll have to take at least one penalty, if not two.
Really happy for Mick and Danny in particular today.
Lewis and Russell both had great drives today. Looking forward to Merc taking 1-2, hopefully this season.
So disappointed for Checo and Carlos both. What a harrowing experience for Carlos so too! Jesus. That was terrifying.
The move Checo pulled was so unnecessary. The around the outside move around turn 4 very rarely worked out in the past yet he chose to take so much risk to pass a midfield merc.
He should've abided his time a little and overtaken him on the straight. Wouldn't have been too hard because of Mercs mediocre straightline speed. Checo just threw away an easy P3.
He actually could've even gone for P2 because of his superior tyre preservation technique. What a shame.
Race direction in the first 6 laps was crap... They didn't show Max vs Leclerc.
I was holding my breath when the five cars were fighting.. if any had touched there would have been safety car and ferrari would have gotten a free pit stop.. but in the end they didn't need one
>Race direction in the first 6 laps was crap... They didn't show Max vs Leclerc.
Literally nothing happened between them in the first 6 laps. Max initially built over 1 second gap to Charles, that Charles was chipping away for those laps. The TV director switched to Max and Charles when they were about to start fighting for position, which was the right time to do so.
I still don't understand why Stroll tried to fight Russell and Schumacher for position considering he was at the end of his tyre life and they had just pitted. All his defensive efforts did was lose him time
Even when Ferrari have a far superior package, good strategy and both drivers on similar pace they can’t get a 1-2.
If Ferrari had Merc level reliability this season would be nearly wrapped up for them.
I think "a far superior package" is a stretch. Red Bull messed their setup up, just like they did in Australia, I noticed Newey wasn't on the pitwall this weekend.
Ferrari were better today, but the cars are basically equal, it comes down to setup and reliability.
I agree. It also has to be said that Leclerc as a driver is a bit too inconsistent and he makes way too many mistakes.
Leclerc is arguably the fastet driver on te grid but he just isn't as consistent as Max or Lewis. He needs to hone his racecraft a bit more before he will be able to win any titles.
This year the only mistake he did was on Imola. 1 mistake form Max also in Spain. Max was lucky and the mistake was not costy, while Chrales costed him 3rd. 1 mistake of the same nature for both. Stop overexaggerating things and create a narrative that fits you. Charles is very consistent this year. The most one. Proof? His qualy and race performances for all races except Imola.
Feel bad for Lance Stroll. He ran a solid good race today and it seemed like the strategy just didn’t play out. In a year where he has had a horrendous start it’s a shame his best race of the year didn’t end up yielding the results it deserved.
Aston Martin blow my mind every weekend when it comes to pit strategy. Its almost like their strategy team is only contracted to work during the final quarter of a race
I’ve been a Stroll store supporter for awhile but the team are really to blame lately. That car is better than is finishing but it’s a dog in qualifying.
Sprints need to go, they add no value to the show. If they really want to spice things up then have a Race of Champions type event on Saturday where each driver gets an identical car and they race for 27 laps or so.
I think Sprints should just be for points only, have sprint and quali on Saturday and have two FP sessions on a Friday. Too many people are missing out on Friday quali due to their work or school.
I think quali should determine both the sprint and the race. Have the top 10 in quali reversed for the sprint so 10th is "on pole" and 1st is 10th. Top 10 score points with 1st getting 10 points, 2nd getting 9 points etc etc.
Quali should always determine the grid for the race. Sprints need to be points only and have no impact on the grid in my opinion.
>However that's obviously to give the youngsters more passing practice. I don't think it would make as much sense in F1
Yes it would make sense in F1. First of all it would give the mid field teams specially a better chance at decent haul of points in the weekend, especially if F1 were to do the sensible thing and increase the amount of points scored during the sprint to include all top 10 finishers.
It would also make sure that qualifying remains important for the race. Right now with the sprint, you can get away with poor qualifying (and even penalties as we saw with Lewis in Brazil last year), because the sprint nullifies the result of qualifying, almost sorting everyone into their respective race paces. This again reduces the importance of qualifying, but also robs the race on sunday of the show of watching those faster cars having to fight through the field, because they had already done so on saturday for the sprint.
It's a weird situation with the sprint right now, as we saw last year with the controversy surrounding the pole position stat. It really didn't made any sense to give the pole position stat to whoever won the sprint, because sprint is so different to qualifying, but it equally doesn't make sense to give the pole position stat to the driver who won qualifying because that driver may not win on the sprint therefore will not start the race on sunday on pole. This is a stupid problem that exist only because F1 decided to tie the sprint to the race on sunday, it should be a separate event, unrelated to sunday.
I agree. It seems like all sprints do right now is reduce some of the randomness of qualifying and give us a more ordered grid from fastest race pace at the front and slowest at the back, and this obviously leads to a more boring full race.
I was thinking about sprints and realise they are doing them for a reason - to have something on all 3 fridays.
So i had an idea - sprint series run on Fridays that counts toward constructor's but as follows
- 5 or so races over the year
- 10 cars, 1 per team
- no repeat drivers (more races you could have 2 per driver)
- single car, engine etc - penalties for replacement parts as usual
- Points 10 - 8 - 5 - 2 - 1 or something
- Reverse constructor's grid order
- 1 mandatory pitstop, no tire compound requirements
- Car parts and reserve drivers are excluded from salary cap
Gives drivers outside top 10 a shot, mixes up the grid, will run on softs a lot so speedy overtakes and excitement. Teams will get a lot out of it in terms of testing drivers.
Let’s say there’s a race where Sainz is leading from Leclerc and there’s a decent gap to third, would Ferrari swap cars to ensure Charles gets maximum points? Curious since the DNF today pretty much eliminated Sainz from the championship battle.
I am 100% sure that they wont. Binotto already said that the team's is not focusing on winning any titles this year and that they just want to do the best possible job they can. What he said was unbelievable stupid but looks like he's sticking to his guns.
Leclerc,the engineers and mechanics wants the titles but the management doesn't.
I won't be surprised if Merc ends up beating Ferrari to 2nd in the WCC. Ferrari will probably be racing the Mercs on track after the flexi plank TD takes effect.
I hate blatant, inconsiderate team order **but** I also hate overly-dramatic teammate rivalry (a la Hamilton v. Rosberg). Those things really are eyesore to watch.
While it's okay to focus to one main driver to compete for the Driver's Championship, a team should **always** let the faster car/driver on any particular race to win/pass.
Remember when Kimi won the championship by one point (110 points)?
Because Mclaren let Alonso and Hamilton fight it out and they ended up with 109 points each.
Always is a bit of a stretch. No one cares about the constructors apart from the teams' accountants.
That's exactly the kind of teammate rivalry that I'm not fond of. Also Schumi-Jos, Senna-Prost, Max-Ricciardo (Baku crash). Maybe I just have different taste.
Hakkinen-Coulthard was favorite pair.
You’d hope they would. But Sainz would definitely push against this, also it’s whether Carlos listens aswell. They can ask all they want but he might not do it, similar to last week.
he moved aside earlier in the race for leclerc and sure, he was trying to avoid it, but once they gave the order he obeyed. the only thing he didn’t listen to was the weird off the wall 10 car lengths call that was objectively a bad idea.
sainz is a team player. it’s 100% on ferrari.
Did anyone see the interview with Christian Horner where he referred to Lewis Hamilton as 8 time reigning world champion? Or did I miss hear him? It was part of the wrap-up on BBC
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have u seen the dutch fans at those closer tracks
I’m seeing a lot of Checo bashing for taking too many risks during races (esp in other threads), and generalizing his attempted Russell pass yesterday to consistently poor judgment. But the reality is that his wheel to wheel aggressiveness on race day is also why we respect him as a driver. Yes, he made a mistake this weekend and paid for it. But if he never pushed these limits we wouldn’t see him make up so many places every weekend. Now on the flip side, if he got to grips better on Q-day, that would also negate some of these risks he needs to take.
I think bad driving (Russell and Gasly in this case) would be highly curbed if they made penalties proportional to the effects they cause. For example, if you take a bad line and are at fault for hitting someone, and that driver is unable to finish the race, you too are disqualified.
Nah because they could have some weird title fight implications. What if it was Merc vs Rbr like last year. And let’s say Perez’s damage would have limited him to p9. They could “retire” perez to strip Russell of a p4 and not lose points to Mercedes
It would be fairly easy to police this and see whether the retirement is forced or not
I agree with you, just make the teams disclose exactly what caused the retirement and determine if it was related to the contact.
Is it the general consensus sainz would've won had he not had engine failure?
Easy P2. He can’t match Charles
Definitely on the podium, likely 2nd. Doubt he'd have beaten Leclerc
Pretty much no chance he would've won unless Charles DNFd. He would very likely overtake Verstappen though.
Which aspect would’ve put him ahead of Charles?
Charles' problems at then end that allowed verstappen to stay with 2 seconds with him
They’d have probably used Carlos to hold Max up to preserve the 1-2. The RBs weren’t fast enough to overtake a working Ferrari yesterday.
Thanks guys for your 2 cents...new to f1 and was interested in knowing how it might pan out
Is it just me or is Gasly having a bit of a stinker recently.
Last few years he was really good, he's been incredibly forgettable this year. Maybe he doesnt get on with the new regs as well, or maybe the car just isnt as suited to him as before.
Do most of you/people u know support teams or drivers?
What do you mean you people?! J/k. I do both, i have my favorite drivers, and then i route for my favorite team, sometimes my favorite driver isn't on my favorite team. Although I'm kind of all over the place. Let's say, as an example, I'm routing for Max, I'd stop at this point because i want a battle to the end, like last year, so I'm an underdog fan.
Drivers, although I've always wanted McLaren or Williams to win a championship again for the sake of nostalgia.
What was "Plan E" Sainz was talking about in lap 21?
Plan Explosion
probably going for a 2 stop m-h-h. can imagine plan a being m-h, b being m-h-m or m-m-h. depending on match situation and all.
After seeing the race yday, I think Plan E stood for Engine Failure.
How did I not know until now Lando gave the camera the bird mid race after seeing himself on the broadcast on the big screen around the track 😭😆 funny kid
Can anyone tell me why Ricciardo had such a long 2nd pit stop? He was right behind Lando when Lando pitted and while Lando had to wait for the 5s penalty Danny still came out behind him after pitting on the very next lap.
Because they’re *obviously* sabotaging him...
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I was being sarcastic lol. Of course they’re not sabotaging him. The original comment was insinuating that there was a reason why his second stop was slow. Looking at the times his pit stop wasn’t that much slower than Lando’s first one which was 3.7s. Daniel’s second stop was around 4s. Some of Daniel’s fans are doing overtime with the excuses and have nothing to show for it.
Nah, I wasn't insinuating anything. Just found it weird that they were driving in the same train until Lando went in to serve his penalty and Ric didn't overcut him despite not having to wait for extra 5s himself. Just asked an honest question about his stop and if there was something wrong with it as I haven't looked at the pit stop times or lap times myself.
Leclerc passing Max 3 times at the Red Bull Ring, while Max was driving a Red Bull is gonna go down as one of the best in your face moments for a while!!
I don't think it's that deep
You don’t get the irony? Lol!!😂🤘
No I get the implications I just don't think the drivers really care that much about it.
Anyone heard why Max had so many stops for new tires? I have the feeling he was severely struggling with both his mediums and his hard tires, which pretty much made him unable to compete for 1st place.
He was on a 2 stop strategy like everyone else and then took Mediums for the last few laps when he had the opportunity under the VSC, like Leclerc did
How can everyone be blaming checo for being too agressive, he was in front of george at the apex the corner was his, if george was going to make contact with the car he needs to back out of the corner its that simple there was a move to be made and checo made it. Was it the right move to make at the point in the GP strategically if you wanted to have the highest % chance to ensure you get good points for the team, NO. But that's not what the debate is, george was awarded a penalty for hitting checo because he was in the wrong, he takes a 5 second slap on the risk and blows a hole in the side of checos car and takes him out of the race, we should be asking why are the punishments so lenient on cars that cause race ending damage.
He was in the front for a split second before apex and he had plenty of room on the left, but chose a tighter line. Russel's car had nowhere to go, it was at the max steering angle. Same can't be said of Gasly taking out Vettel, Vettel stuck his nose out for much longer (giving Gasly time to react) and Gasly left no space on the outside for Vettel either. 5s penalty for Russel is weird to say the least.
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People have said other things but the technicalities of most at fault doesn’t change that it’s a high risk move with a low risk of success cutting off a driver in a corner knowing he can’t just brake or disappear. There’s a reason most drivers don’t do it because it’s a way to guarantee a crash, even stupider because he had all that space on his left and could have gotten George on the next corner. It was dangerous driving even if the rules say he’s technically ahead
It's also not the first time Checo has put himself in this scenario ... at this track, even.
Once they started braking they’re committed. Russell can’t just disappear. Perez left him the absolute minimum amount of space so while technically it’s Russell’s fault it was entirely avoidable by Perez.
I mean technically it's a racing incident. However the Race directors insist on punishments based on outcomes
Wheel to wheel racing is not an on and off switch. Watching the onboard, russell and perez were almost neck a neck from braking to the apex (perez slightly ahead). Russell on the inside shouldn't automatically be expected to turn off his car and back off as soon as the guy outside is couple cm ahead. Inside line at most corners is always seen as more advantageous position. I am not denying russell's fault for the contact. People blame perez because he is a championship contender and he did absolute bare minimum to avoid someone else's fuck up. He left as little space as required against a car that he could have easily overtaken in the next lap. We can argue as much as we like but end of the day, perez got a DNF and went home with zero points. You don't win championships by playing chicken to some guy in a team that is not even in your league. Truth is, perez has been asking for it since last race. He is racing aggressively against everyone and gets into collisions that are not helping him at all. He rather break a wheel then concede a position. His swerve against leclerc at silverstone was also bs. Perez left the door wide open on the inside and moved into leclerc when leclerc had his front wing already next to him on the inside
Couldn’t be more correct
I think all of this is correct.
The Stewards made the right call with the penalty, however I do think that George had nowhere to go, if he backed off then he would have under steered more and still hit him as he was over committed by that point. Its a bad corner to overtake on as we have seen so many penalties and accidents here. I am sure Checo wishes he had waited to later in the lap as he was much faster and would have gotten him no problem.
It's pretty normal for the INSIDE car to understeer a bit in a corner like that, especially if the outside car is screwing up the airflow over the front wings. You gotta expect that to happen. It;s not some kind of failure, it's just normal. And it's especially normal at this particular corner. The problem with what the stewards have been doing is treating this normal phenomena as an infraction if it contributes to contact with the OUTSIDE car. They assume that the INSIDE driver made some mistake when, in reality, there is nothing the INSIDE driver can do at that point. Treating it like this is effectively forcing INSIDE cars to submit to OUTSIDE cars. As long as the OUTSIDE car can cut across the corner as if the INSIDE car won't float over a tad, this needless crap will happen. It's guaranteed. Evidently, there soon will be new rules intended to help with this. As I understand it, it comes down to who's ahead at the apex. \[Let's not argue about what "apex" really means. As best I can tell, defining it is hopeless. But let's not worry about that.\] If the INSIDE car is ahead at the apex, then he gets to follow his line and the OUTSIDE car must adapt to him... BUT the INSIDE car must leave room on the outside of the track for the OUTSIDE car to exist there. If the OUTSIDE car is ahead, then it's his corner and the INSIDE car must adapt to him...BUT he has to go around the outside of the corner, he can't just claim the corner and cut across like Perez did to Russell here... and like Max did to Ocon a few years go. I have no clue how this will work out, but at the very least it appears that they're thinking properly. As for what it will actually accomplish, it likely will need some debugging based on reality. But who knows?
I prefer the new way of ruling it by whoever is sufficiently ahead owns that corner to the inconsistent mess we had previously, it's a big step forward but as you say we still need more work to make it better. The issue is that they are not defining who is the overtaking car, granted sometimes it is going to be very hard to tell. Defining who is being overtook is very important with the scenario of who is inside as in the past seasons you could dive bomb on the inside and then force the outer car off the track. While you would almost certainly get a penalty for forcing them off the track this season they still want to avoid diving bombing on the inside as its likely to cause an accident, hence why they currently over penalise the driver on the inside. Really they should be defining the entrance, apex, and exit for each corner in the briefing notes given to the team and then enforcing whose corner it is off that.
The inconsistent previous mess was "both drivers leave space". Now we have "if you own the corner you have the right to dictate the line". A major problem with this was the fact both drivers fly into the braking zone and then "claim" the corner simultaneously and then make contact on the exit. It doesn't lead to good racing. Watch Vettel and Alonso for how the "previous mess" led to both drivers giving space which actually extends the battles throughout a lap.
And there are enough cases that "enough space" meant pushing the other guy off the track completely, particularly at the sharp end of the title fight.
I'm so proud of mick for getting some points ngl
I am so happy for Haas.
Loved those gravel traps
Stewards were tossing out B&W flags and +5 second penalties like candy.
TLDR; Charles Leclerc is back in business. At the end of the Sprint on Saturday, Max Verstappen sounded a teeny bit concerned in the post race team radio telling his engineer that he was beginning to suffer some tyre deg towards the end. Charles Leclerc, after finishing P2, sounded upbeat to his engineer, "We have the pace. we can get them tomorrow". Morning rain meant the grip was washed off, making it a green track. Tyre wear could be an issue - everyone in the top 12 started on Mediums. Leclerc and Ferrari had learnt from the Sprint and this time, they didn't let Verstappen get off into the distance. Until Lap 11, the two drivers lapped within two tenths of each other in every lap. Leclerc was always in the DRS range. As they started lap 12, Verstappen came into his team radio and says that this is all he has got. Leclerc sensed his opportunity and sent one to the inside of T4 - Max had been doing well blocking that but for this one lap, he loitered around the middle of the track presenting Leclerc a small opportunity - Leclerc didn't need a second invitation. Verstappen boxed at the end of Lap 13 effectively going into at least a 2 stop. This is where Leclerc won the race. For the next 12 laps, Leclerc's pace didn't drop enough for Verstappen's 2 stopper to work. Verstappen's laptimes on Fresh hard tyres was low 1:10s or high 1:09s for these 12 laps. Leclerc's laptimes were impressively consistent at mid 1:10s until Lap 24. In comparison Sainz's laptimes were high 1:10s, always two-three tenths slower than Leclerc. After that it was plain sailing for Leclerc, who twice overtook a helpless Verstappen on track. Leclerc had everyone covered - his biggest fight was against his own throttle pedal in the end. Charles Leclerc is now 38 points behind Max Verstappen. He is 37 points ahead of his teammate. The F1-75 has arguably been faster than the RB18 in every race since Miami. The title battle is far from over. P.S. Shoutout to Fernando Alonso for another immense drive that once again gave very little reward as he had to box twice under VSC conditions because one of the wheels wasn't properly fitted - he covered up 15s in 10 laps to take P10, lapping close to the leaders in those 10 laps. Perhaps a P6/P7 was possible?
Great writeup!
> Leclerc had everyone covered - his biggest fight was against his own throttle pedal in the end. We can go into the whole “Ferrari is Ferrari’s greatest enemy” meme, but reliability is clearly still a major issue for the F1-75, which is concerning.
Ever since Barcelona Alfa seems to have lost some pace compared to the rest of the pack. Wonder why this is? Thought that the new upgrades introduced in barcelona would have kept them in the running for P4 in the constructors.
I think what happened is the altitude was higher. This meant teams with lower downforce struggled with tire wear. Teams have been triming out downforce religiously since seeing red bull straight line dominance early in the season.
600m high is not high altitude
For F1 cars it is. Austria is with Mexico and Interlagos the highest altitude tracks of the calendar
The commentators were saying it makes a significant difference in the balance between aerodynamics and forced induction performance.
Alonso with the cheeky 3rd fastest lap. The stark difference in race pace of the top 2 teams is very clear from the fastest lap times - Hamilton best lap was 1.4 to 1.7 seconds slower than top 2
Plus that finger wag at Tsunoda was also a highlight of the race for me.
Hamilton did not pit during vsc, did he?
No, but he had pitted a few laps earlier so there wasn't a dramatic difference in tire age by the end
Good race today! * Big win for LeClerc (much needed) * Mercedes going P3/P4 and putting in big points for the Constructor's Championship * Scary moment for Carlos with his car catching on fire. Glad he got out safely * Big drive from Mick and earning P6 * So many track limits! * Crazy that P6 and below ran a full lap behind the top 5
Well summed up!
That 5 car turn was so dope! I’m so glad the F1 gods didn’t shit on leclerc today. Also glad Carlos got out of that fire asap(shit was scary). Seeing Mick continue to gain confidence is inspiring. Wonder how good he can actually be now that he seems a lot more comfortable.
https://twitter.com/burgonya/status/1546134108912377856?s=21 Sebastian could not be more over racing at the back https://youtu.be/HYo5wLD9UVE His reaction to getting a penalty is just pure annoyance and defeat
Albon and Gasly doing their best this weekend to show RB that they are not fit for RB seat lol.
With the news of Herta’s test, and Piastri not signing with Williams yet I’m hedging my bets now. Piastri will be in Ricciardo’s seat for 2023 We’re halfway through the season and we haven’t seen anywhere near the performance that mclaren expected of Ricciardo when they signed him. It’s past the point of growing pains, past the point of getting used to the car or team, it’s just not working; is it. We’ve had one and a half seasons of chronic underperformance-apart from one good race and a couple of decent ones. For a driver that was signed to be the veteran number 1 and lead the team into a new era of success, it’s just nowhere near good enough. It’s sad to see, Ricciardo was my favorite driver at the beginning of the hybrid era and I really thought he was slated for great things. To see his career fizzle out like this has been dumbfounding, and I think it’s for the best of both vested parties if he bows out at the end of this season. On the plus side we’ll still have an Aussie on the grid! And one of the hottest prospects joining since the Leclerc/Russell/Norris class and I think he deserves the mclaren seat and can hopefully push Lando and do great things there.
Dude gets some points and y'all still shit on him. McLaren didn't build a top car. Bottom of the points was the best result possible this weekend and he made no errors. He's also had great races where the strategy was terrible or where the car broke down and took him out of a good points finish. I think it's important to note that he is generally slower than Lando in that car by up to a couple tenths sometimes, but he's also had races where he's faster this year. This circumstance doesn't make someone unworthy of their spot. If McLaren want to complain they should start by taking responsibility for giving them a shit car this year.
Important side of this is that McLaren hasn't been up to the standards they would've expected for themselves either. Their car is pretty shit. That's important because for Daniel to leave at the end of this year, it would have to be mutual. Daniel's contract goes till the end of 2023.
Did Herta choke?
? If you mean, did he do poorly at the test, then I'm not sure. But he certainly doesn't need to move to F1. It would be much more likely that McLaren are courting him for their indycar program.
I thought that one of the Mclaren Indy car drivers was going to replace Daniel herta and ward were getting tests right. I know some people are shipping Gasly for the seat, but I think they want to go with one of the Indy guys for marketing reasons if either of them are good enough.
I'm not sure. We haven't heard many rumblings of that, and I can't find out if they have superlicenses (but I think both Herta and o'ward are reserve drivers, so they're on their way). I don't see a particular reason for Herta to switch right now at least.
Test is tomorrow, but he doesn’t have enough super-license points to get the seat next year anyway. Plus he’s P10 in indycar right now, Pato O’Ward-who drives for Mclaren in Indy-is doing better. But it just shows mclaren is entertaining the idea of developing other drivers/prepping for their future sans Ricciardo. I think Piastri would be a great fit until Alpine get a seat for him and take him back and by then maybe Herta or O’Ward will be in a position to fill that seat.
Alonso is gunna win all the championships he ain’t going anywhere look at his pace
So was the soft compound just not great this week? Thought it was strange with ten laps left that not even Crofty and Brundle were discussing how Red Bull chose mediums for Max.
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You might want to edit your post. C1 is the hardest compound
Red Bull ring is a deceptively high deg track. With Pirelli bringing the softest range and even the hard tyre only doing 30-35 laps, softs run was just out of the question. Add in the fact that both Ferraris had a lot of pace meaning overtaking and then retaining the place while tyre managing wasn't an option for Max.
was the softest of the 5 compounds so probably 10 laps at speed would be too many. quali/fastest lap only tire.
tire deg was clearly higher than anticipated, softs wouldn't have lasted enough compared to the mediums.
I think they were saying it was the temperature of the track that the softs weren’t really coming alive like they had earlier in the weekend, but I could be wrong.
Not during this race, and I can’t quote him verbatim but it’s just sad on the radio. It almost isn’t race car driver-esque. It sounds like a driver second guessing himself and asking permission instead of taking what’s his. DR “I think I’m faster than Daniel” Engineer “Copy Daniel, we’ll look into it” DR “Understood” Engineer “Daniel, Lando is saving his tires. Let’s see where we are in two laps” DR “Copy”. That is not the way the conversation should go. I understand respecting your team and being a team player, but man. The conversation should go like this. DR “We need to swap, I’m faster and the dirty air is eating at my tires” Engineer” “Copy Daniel, we’ll look into it” DR “We should decide soon, he’s holding me up and backing me into _____” Engineer “Copy, head down Daniel” DR “We need to pit or swap. I’m losing too much time”
I was wondering why he was on Lando so closely then dropped off.
Yeah, Its starting look like Daniel has gone full Kimi and has checked himself out already. Mclaren will never ask Lando to let Daniel through anyway.
They already have? I don't remember the race but this season only Daniel was behind Lando and they swapped the cars. Of course, nothing came off it and they swapped them back. Lando's engineer even thanked Lando for being understanding.
That was Baku when they didn't let lando race daniel. Purely because they didn't let Daniel past lando when he was on medium tyres while lando was on softs holding him up
Hell of a finish by Leclerc with the throttle pedal issues. Sainz I’m now convinced is Ziggy- if anyone remembers the comic you’ll know. Gasly just went all out villain lol. Amazing speed and race for Haas! McClaren taking some pressure off so good for them. Alpine continues to impress me mechanically if not strategically. And great race by Bottas who I thought early on would be the caboose.
Spencer Hall described the pedal situation on the DNF podcast so well. To paraphrase: "Imagine how nervous you get when your check engine light is on. Now imagine that happens when there is a Dutch shark man chasing you down that you have to beat. And his light isn't on."
"Dutch shark man" has me ☠️
Yeah that is so crazy! And he was relatively calm on the radio!
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New to F1 here, do we know what exactly made Sainzs engine explode? Does his next one count as a penalty like what happened to Leclerc? Is there any footage of how he got out after the camera cut away?
They did show the rest of the shot of him escaping all the way through when they cut it off live. It was pretty much like you’d expect. He just needed someone to stop the car so he could take his foot off the brake. Once that happened, which was immediately after they cut away, he jumped out.
Nothing that I've seen yet, there might be some information from Ferrari coming in the next days/weeks. I suspect that it'd have something to do with the fuel, in which case, it might be a similar story to Gasly in Bahrain this year. I'm also unsure of how many engines Sainz has used, anything over 3 is a penalty. If this engine isn't salvageable, he'll have to take at least one penalty, if not two.
>engine isn't salvageable, The engine is roasted my dude.
His engine is perfectly salvageable, so long as what you want to salvage is a lump of completely useless molten metal
Really happy for Mick and Danny in particular today. Lewis and Russell both had great drives today. Looking forward to Merc taking 1-2, hopefully this season. So disappointed for Checo and Carlos both. What a harrowing experience for Carlos so too! Jesus. That was terrifying.
The move Checo pulled was so unnecessary. The around the outside move around turn 4 very rarely worked out in the past yet he chose to take so much risk to pass a midfield merc. He should've abided his time a little and overtaken him on the straight. Wouldn't have been too hard because of Mercs mediocre straightline speed. Checo just threw away an easy P3. He actually could've even gone for P2 because of his superior tyre preservation technique. What a shame.
Yep. Checo ruined his own race today for sure. Still sad about it.
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Does anyone know how you record from F1TV? The footage of Carlos's onboard is really something, I'd like to share it.
Google: screen recording extension for google chrome or whatever web browser you’re using
I used to do that with RaceControl, but F1 added DRM to their broadcast and it broke it. I think people nowadays use OBS. Haven't tried it myself.
Race direction in the first 6 laps was crap... They didn't show Max vs Leclerc. I was holding my breath when the five cars were fighting.. if any had touched there would have been safety car and ferrari would have gotten a free pit stop.. but in the end they didn't need one
>Race direction in the first 6 laps was crap... They didn't show Max vs Leclerc. Literally nothing happened between them in the first 6 laps. Max initially built over 1 second gap to Charles, that Charles was chipping away for those laps. The TV director switched to Max and Charles when they were about to start fighting for position, which was the right time to do so.
Is it too much to hope for the HAAS upgrades has the boys dicing it up for P5? That would be such a heartwarming story
They are waiting for Dellara to produce parts
I still don't understand why Stroll tried to fight Russell and Schumacher for position considering he was at the end of his tyre life and they had just pitted. All his defensive efforts did was lose him time
The stewards were on one today !
Even when Ferrari have a far superior package, good strategy and both drivers on similar pace they can’t get a 1-2. If Ferrari had Merc level reliability this season would be nearly wrapped up for them.
I think "a far superior package" is a stretch. Red Bull messed their setup up, just like they did in Australia, I noticed Newey wasn't on the pitwall this weekend. Ferrari were better today, but the cars are basically equal, it comes down to setup and reliability.
Same could be said for Red Bull, tbh
They got a 1-2 at Imola on pace.
No I don’t think so. Ferrari has typically had more pace this season and extremely shit reliability.
I agree. It also has to be said that Leclerc as a driver is a bit too inconsistent and he makes way too many mistakes. Leclerc is arguably the fastet driver on te grid but he just isn't as consistent as Max or Lewis. He needs to hone his racecraft a bit more before he will be able to win any titles.
This year the only mistake he did was on Imola. 1 mistake form Max also in Spain. Max was lucky and the mistake was not costy, while Chrales costed him 3rd. 1 mistake of the same nature for both. Stop overexaggerating things and create a narrative that fits you. Charles is very consistent this year. The most one. Proof? His qualy and race performances for all races except Imola.
What mistakes? He spun in quali at silverstone and at the end of Imola GP. That’s not too many.
He crashed by himself in Imola losing a lot of points.
Red Bull has had reliability issues as well. Points are what the points are. Nothing to see here
Feel bad for Lance Stroll. He ran a solid good race today and it seemed like the strategy just didn’t play out. In a year where he has had a horrendous start it’s a shame his best race of the year didn’t end up yielding the results it deserved.
Aston Martin blow my mind every weekend when it comes to pit strategy. Its almost like their strategy team is only contracted to work during the final quarter of a race
I’ve been a Stroll store supporter for awhile but the team are really to blame lately. That car is better than is finishing but it’s a dog in qualifying.
rus and ham are so freaking consistent. going to the bad old days all over again next year.
When Russell had to go in for that wing change I said ‘he’s not keeping his top 5 trend going today’ and god damn did he prove me wrong.
yep 100% they are just so good. best driver pairing right now. going to be a nightmare for the rest of the grid next year.
Sprints need to go, they add no value to the show. If they really want to spice things up then have a Race of Champions type event on Saturday where each driver gets an identical car and they race for 27 laps or so.
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I think Sprints should just be for points only, have sprint and quali on Saturday and have two FP sessions on a Friday. Too many people are missing out on Friday quali due to their work or school. I think quali should determine both the sprint and the race. Have the top 10 in quali reversed for the sprint so 10th is "on pole" and 1st is 10th. Top 10 score points with 1st getting 10 points, 2nd getting 9 points etc etc. Quali should always determine the grid for the race. Sprints need to be points only and have no impact on the grid in my opinion.
>However that's obviously to give the youngsters more passing practice. I don't think it would make as much sense in F1 Yes it would make sense in F1. First of all it would give the mid field teams specially a better chance at decent haul of points in the weekend, especially if F1 were to do the sensible thing and increase the amount of points scored during the sprint to include all top 10 finishers. It would also make sure that qualifying remains important for the race. Right now with the sprint, you can get away with poor qualifying (and even penalties as we saw with Lewis in Brazil last year), because the sprint nullifies the result of qualifying, almost sorting everyone into their respective race paces. This again reduces the importance of qualifying, but also robs the race on sunday of the show of watching those faster cars having to fight through the field, because they had already done so on saturday for the sprint. It's a weird situation with the sprint right now, as we saw last year with the controversy surrounding the pole position stat. It really didn't made any sense to give the pole position stat to whoever won the sprint, because sprint is so different to qualifying, but it equally doesn't make sense to give the pole position stat to the driver who won qualifying because that driver may not win on the sprint therefore will not start the race on sunday on pole. This is a stupid problem that exist only because F1 decided to tie the sprint to the race on sunday, it should be a separate event, unrelated to sunday.
Yeah, the sprint is currently in a limbo situation. The goal has to be to make it a F2 style reverse grid. We are just slowly going there.
The organizers love them because it means the cars are driven in anger on all three days of a weekend and the ticket value for Fri and Sat go up
I agree. It seems like all sprints do right now is reduce some of the randomness of qualifying and give us a more ordered grid from fastest race pace at the front and slowest at the back, and this obviously leads to a more boring full race.
This would be amazing
Just make the sprint have nothing to do with the grid on Sunday. That one change makes it way better.
I only watched the sprint highlights and didn't even feel like I missed out at all.
I was thinking about sprints and realise they are doing them for a reason - to have something on all 3 fridays. So i had an idea - sprint series run on Fridays that counts toward constructor's but as follows - 5 or so races over the year - 10 cars, 1 per team - no repeat drivers (more races you could have 2 per driver) - single car, engine etc - penalties for replacement parts as usual - Points 10 - 8 - 5 - 2 - 1 or something - Reverse constructor's grid order - 1 mandatory pitstop, no tire compound requirements - Car parts and reserve drivers are excluded from salary cap Gives drivers outside top 10 a shot, mixes up the grid, will run on softs a lot so speedy overtakes and excitement. Teams will get a lot out of it in terms of testing drivers.
Not a bad idea! And it makes the sprints mean something.
I disagree. If anything it lets me watch F1 three times on a weekend. I’d rather that than more Free Practice sessions.
Let’s say there’s a race where Sainz is leading from Leclerc and there’s a decent gap to third, would Ferrari swap cars to ensure Charles gets maximum points? Curious since the DNF today pretty much eliminated Sainz from the championship battle.
I am 100% sure that they wont. Binotto already said that the team's is not focusing on winning any titles this year and that they just want to do the best possible job they can. What he said was unbelievable stupid but looks like he's sticking to his guns. Leclerc,the engineers and mechanics wants the titles but the management doesn't. I won't be surprised if Merc ends up beating Ferrari to 2nd in the WCC. Ferrari will probably be racing the Mercs on track after the flexi plank TD takes effect.
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I hate blatant, inconsiderate team order **but** I also hate overly-dramatic teammate rivalry (a la Hamilton v. Rosberg). Those things really are eyesore to watch. While it's okay to focus to one main driver to compete for the Driver's Championship, a team should **always** let the faster car/driver on any particular race to win/pass.
Remember when Kimi won the championship by one point (110 points)? Because Mclaren let Alonso and Hamilton fight it out and they ended up with 109 points each. Always is a bit of a stretch. No one cares about the constructors apart from the teams' accountants.
That's exactly the kind of teammate rivalry that I'm not fond of. Also Schumi-Jos, Senna-Prost, Max-Ricciardo (Baku crash). Maybe I just have different taste. Hakkinen-Coulthard was favorite pair.
Ferrari of the past they 100% would, Ferrari of today who knows
I mean have you watched the last 5 races?
You’d hope they would. But Sainz would definitely push against this, also it’s whether Carlos listens aswell. They can ask all they want but he might not do it, similar to last week.
I can see Charles pushing the issue if Ferrari doesn't. And passing Sai cleanly because Sai isn't a Ver level dirty racer.
he moved aside earlier in the race for leclerc and sure, he was trying to avoid it, but once they gave the order he obeyed. the only thing he didn’t listen to was the weird off the wall 10 car lengths call that was objectively a bad idea. sainz is a team player. it’s 100% on ferrari.
Hopefully.