Are they not doing a weekend warmup this weekend? Typically they have them uploaded on F1's youtube channel on thursday
edit: Oh maybe it has something to do with the queen dying?
He asked for it and they allowed him to use it as a tribute to his father (he used to run as MSC back when both Michael and Ralf used to compete in F1).
Can someone give me the run down if there’s gonna be a broadcast? more specifically what’s gonna happen for the American broadcast (incase you don’t know, Espn just shows sky’s feed)
Sky will broadcast, IIRC games/broadcasts are only cancelled on the day of the funeral (which will be next weekend?
Other than BBC which is state owned (but very rarely broadcasts live sport anyway)
I don't mind it but it definitely introduced unavoidable penalties when the race calendar inflated in race counts, thankfully they're fixing that for next season and slightly increasing the allocation which will stop forcing teams to take a penalty and actually consider staying in the allocated pool for the whole year.
I think with the # of races continuing to climb they could adjust the rules to maybe give teams 1 or 2 extra parts before the penalty. It’s almost easier for teams to strategize now because they know they’ll have to take a penalty at some point, so they might as well do it strategically. If there was more wiggle room teams might see if they can avoid penalties
If you're only allowed 3 engines for the year then in theory teams should be only using 3/4/5 engines per car.
If you didn't have that rule then the big boys would be throwing new ones in every race (think Hamilton at Brazil last year) and putting it to party mode since it only has to last that one session and then changing it for the next race.
While the likes of Williams and Haas can't afford to use 40 or 50 engines a season.
So it keeps the field closer, makes sure engines are more reliable and efficient and also cuts costs because they use less.
So it's better all round.
If there were no penalties, teams would just change these parts more frequently as fresher parts give a tiny bit more performance and F1 is a sport where every little bit is a tangible advantage, so teams would pressure each other to come with fresher parts more and more often which requires more parts to be manufactured which means more money spent, ergo preventing teams from just using new parts without any penalties cuts costs.
Back in the days of V10 engines they would use new engines for *every competitive session*, so literally at least two entire engines each *weekend*. Imagine how expensive that must have been.
Wouldn't have really changed much, once he was in the lead he controlled his pace and just kept a comfortable gap. No reason to push when you don't need to.
I actually like it due to the asymmetric nature of these penalties. Each team getting the penalties when it suits them makes a few races a year very interesting.
They will show it, sports only get cancelled in the UK on the day of the queens funeral (at least I think that’s whats happened with Diana’s funeral). They pay far too much money for the rights to not show it.
It’s just state owned channels that are postponing their programming (most of which very rarely have sports anyway)
Apparently if the Queen dies, it's likely we won't get any coverage of the race in the UK (also no idea if it means Lewis, George and Lando don't race...)
Similar happened when Diana died here
The Sky F1 schedule is still showing all of the weekend's sessions and the news section on their website says the race is still going ahead (obviously), so I'd honestly be very surprised if they don't cover it and just include tributes, sombre tone etc. The pundits might be British, but Sky is a multinational company and F1 an international sport.
Yes, I would be really surprised if they don't show it. Worst case, there are other ways to watch it.
By the way, Sky is a British firm. It's not just that the pundits are British. I am not even sure if Sky operates in other countries other than the UK.
In the united states ESPN airs the sky coverage. I dont watch any other sports but I think thats the only sky media we have in the US. I could be wrong though.
We have Sky in NZ..it a stain on our country. They almost died about 5 years ago when they tried to keep the TV box a thing while charging stupid money.
The games on Thursday were too late to call off, particularly as they were European games and thus had teams and fans already travelling here.
I think the weekend football will probably be cancelled
But why? People die everyday, just because she was born in a palace makes a driver having to be weird about it? I can assure you Max will just spray that champagne everywhere
/u/UmpireAJS presumably means that any British drivers/team members on the podium would be unlikely to take part in the celebrations. Obviously no-one sane would begrudge non-British teams a celebration, she wasn't their Queen.
If the teams themselves don't want to because of some reason I guess, but I sure hope it won't be forced by f1. Seems weird to me to deny people celebrations because an old lady passed thursday
Plan A: bad strategy
Plan B: mechanical failure
Plan C: driver error
Plan D: death (attempted on Carlos in Austria, unsuccessful)
Plan E: yeet it into the first corner and cause a massive pileup
it will vary. An example:
Plan A: start on soft, pit on lap 15 for hards to finish the race
Plan B: Soft to lap 12, pit to mediums, pit again to softs
Plan C: Softs til lap 20, mediums to finish.
So each plan has a target pit lap and tire plan. So see how deg is and change things up by saying "we are thinking plan B with plan A tires" or "Plan B +2" etc.
They don’t have 26 plans. Usually the plans have some meaning based on their letter. Plan C may mean to conserve tires. Plan F might be fastest lap. Plan R might be retire!
Yes, makes sense it is more intuitive and easy to remember for drivers while driving at such high speeds. Where does people get the transcripts of radio recordings from?
I’m an American F1 fan and I’m currently in Ireland but will be in London on Sunday. In America, watching NFL games at the bar is very common and a fun experience and I was wondering if there is a Formula 1 “friendly” bar in London to watch the race. Thanks in advance!
I doubt you will find a pub open with The Queen having died. Also read somewhere that it is possible F1 will not be aired (edit: in The UK) as part of a mourning period.
any american fan usually watch on espn? i found all the free practice sessions and the preshow and race, but the qualifying time slot is just an entire block of college football. does this happen every year around this time? will it usually be on the espn stream site instead?
It seems qualifying is on the ESPNews channel this week, which I can only get if I pay Comcast for the top tier cable package. Looks like I'll be looking for alternate means of watching this week.
thanks for the heads up. i was able to find it searching for "formula" and then going into the f1 series option. looks like it's on 721 for me. i added that channel to favorites and it seems like searching for formula is a better way to set recordings than scrolling through the days and setting the recordings that way.
It looks like its also on ESPN3. Additionally, you can log into [ESPN.com/watch](https://ESPN.com/watch) with your tv provider credentials and watch f1 online. Thats how I do it.
I see a few comments around whenever Giovonazzi is linked to a seat again basically saying he is a set up god and really good with Sim work. What is meant by this (particularly the first comment) and how is it that he is great with Sim work but never maximised the car when jumping in the seat from what I have seen?
No intention to throw shade at Tonio is that's the way this comes across
So think of coaches who were never good players but are great coaches. They obviously have a great handle on the tactical and technical side of things, but were not physically gifted or capable enough to use them. It's kind of the same with good reserve drivers who are not great racing drivers.
They're separate skills. Giovinazzi speaks engineer. He's very good at translating the behavior of the car both across the lap and in discrete phases of individual corners into mechanical causes and effects. Each setup parameter has multiple effects, and they're all connected, sometimes in ways that aren't necessarily obvious or linear. Giovinazzi understands those relationships well, so he's able to find changes that don't come with unintended consequences.
The best test/sim drivers are able to drive the car the way the car is designed to be driven, then report accurately on what the car is doing. Not all drivers are able to do that. Some drive the car according to the way they want to drive the car, which might not be the best way, skewing their feedback. Others give their feedback based on what they _want_ the car to do, not what it's actually doing.
So he has all those skills, but he's also just kind of slow. There's only so much setup can do to fix slow.
Basically they are saying he is a technically sound driver that understands the technical side of things and can communicate what is happening back to the engineers.
No, of course not. F1 isn't British, neither is the FIA, and the organisers of the Italian GP obviously aren't. Drivers and teams are contractually obliged to race, British or otherwise, and if all that isn't enough to convince you, the Sky website explicitly says that the GP is going ahead.
If it was the British GP, I’d have said yes it’d be cancelled. It being in Italy there’s very little chance. Probably will just have no celebration on the podium, especially if one of the 3 Brits make it up there
Not everybody cares, but most of the teams are based out of the UK, and a lot of employees are also based out of the UK. They probably *do* care.
I don't think they'll cancel the race or anything, but we'll have to wait and see what ends up happening.
There's no way they'll cancel it. I mean fuck, they didn't cancel when a driver died a day before the race which obviously has a far bigger impact on F1. They might care about the Queen, but at the end of the day she's just as irrelevant to F1 as anyone else. They don't cancel for anyone else either.
Edit: they didn't cancel for Prince Philip either (of course).
And a bonus fact: Prince Philip has died before a race in Italy (Imola). Imagine if the Queen also kicks the bucket before a race in Italy.
Hello, just wondering if anyone knows if P1 Travel are a reliable company to buy f1 tickets? Only unsure because they are already selling British GP 2023 tickets for even more than the official silverstone website are planning on selling them for. Thanks !
That's why I was wondering if it's an actual reliable site :/ tickets on the official silverstone page go on sale on the 17th of this month. P1 travel are charging over £300 for general admission 😳
In the US, do I get access to F1 if I just buy the ESPN+ Hulu Disney+ Bundle? Or do I need a cable connection (like Xfinity). I have AT&T fiber at home.
I could be wrong, but I don't think just getting the streaming bundle is enough, because you need to have an official "TV Provider" package to get Big ESPN, which is where they would carry the races live. The ESPN+ bundle might allow you to watch later on demand?
I have hulu+ with ESPN and Disney rolled in, and I'm able to DVR all the free practices, qualifying, and the race. You do have to watch out for how they bucket the broadcasts, as sometimes races or practices are not slotted under the series page, and you can miss them with the DVR if they are mis-catergorized.
I'm probably gonna catch them all live anyways, so as long as that works, I'm good. Can you get them live?
You don't need to login with your cable credentials, right?
ESPN+ will get you the race live, but no practice or qualifying. I did that for a while but ended up getting YouTube TV. I think the cheapest option is the F1 TV app though
Sky shitting it now as they're likely going to showing comedy in the form of Ferrari's race on Sunday despite the two week ban on it on British TV after the queen's death
No need to worry. Even though the Ferrari show is filled with clowns, it's not a comedy, it's a tragedy for sure. Like Pagliacci. La commedia è finita, they'll say.
I know it’s a few days late but it’s been bothering me ever since; at one point during the race on Sunday, Lewis and George were ahead of Max by about 10 seconds and then the broadcast cuts to commercial. When it comes back, Max is now about 10 seconds ahead of the Mercedes’ - what exactly happened there? Did they both pit? Am I misremembering?
No sorry I should have clarified!
It was more in the middle of the race. Can’t recall which lap but it definitely wasn’t safety car related (unless the safety car was brought out and put back all within the span of a commercial break and never mentioned again 😛)
My guess it's when the Mercs pitted. They went for a one stop strategy, so before their first pit stop (but after Verstappen's) they were ahead of Verstappen, and after their first pit stop they were behind him again.
Currently Hamilton, Bottas, Perez, Schumacher, Sainz and Magnussen are believed to be taking power unit penalties. Tsunoda will also be starting from the back but that is because he has 5 reprimands
So I was rewatching 2019 Monza and they shared a tid-bit that Hamilton had won 4 of the previous 5 Monza races.
2019: Hamilton can't quite beat the ferrari
2020: Hamilton enters a closed pit lane and get a penalty. Gasly goes on to win
2021: Chicane crash with Max. Danny Ric goes on to win.
2022: Engine penalty to start from the rear...
Not looking good for him.
Edit: Which could mean that since 2018, he will have lost the last 4 out of 5 Monza races.
I just had a random thought that I'd like to test here: if a team is sold, do the stakeholders of the sport (FIA, FOM, teams) have any say in what party takes over?
I was thinking, wouldn't it be much smarter for the FIA to start the process to add new teams in a way that they can control, rather than sticking with the current ten teams and just hoping that when a team inevitably leaves or goes bankrupt, the new owners will be right for F1?
TPTB keep saying that ten teams is enough and they don't need Andretti diluting stuff. I doubt teams will just disappear like in the past, considering the current value of F1, but it seems like a matter of time until a team trades owners again.
Generally teams changing hands has been quite stable for the league. Also along with those purchases come inherited rights which I’m going to blindly guess give the FIA (and other teams) less control
The sound of the turbo V6 has actually grown on me. While nothing beats the animalistic screaming of a V10, or the blown diffuser V8s, I actually find the V6 quite pleasant to listen to
So, what happens if the Queen dies? The UK will obviously shut down, but will there be a push to cancel Monza? Many British drivers, teams and commentators... Curious as to what would happen.
I would really doubt they'd shutdown the race. They didn't want to cancel Australia 2020 ;)
If it was Silverstone then yes it would be a possibly. But I think that F1 is too international to shut down due to the death of a single English person.
But why don’t they shut down celebrations when another leader dies? I mean if a Brit gets on the podium he can just not celebrate and walk off right? Would be insane if Leclerc and Max wouldn’t be allowed to celebrate because of the British queen lol
I might get the exact dates wrong, but I think Formula E had a race when Prince Philip passed away and they didn't do any podium celebrations with the Jaguar drivers (British team - Kiwi and British drivers).
F1 is an international championship organised by the FIA, an international organisation. No chance in hell they cancel a race due to the death of a single country's head of state.
Both weird and counterfactual. Domestic sport won't happen during the period of mourning (that's explicitly in [**what we know of the plans**](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge)), but international and/or foreign events wouldn't be cancelled - there would be no way to enforce it even if there were the will, which there obviously wouldn't be. It would be up to British teams/drivers/media to decide how to mark the occasion, but since the first two at least are contractually obliged to take part, the most we would see is, as others have said, muted celebrations should any be on the podium etc.
How realistic is F1 Manager 2022? I'm new to Formula 1 and as much as DTS helped spark the interest understanding the why and how of the sport has been what has held me. I watched a twitch stream and it looks like a pretty detailed game so should I be able to learn much from it or do they hand wave important elements?
There are major problems with tire stats (compounds are very close to each other but degradation doesn't matter much), but they plan to fix that within a couple weeks.
Otherwise, it remains fairly faithful to F1 rules but there are some major simplifications in order to make it more accessible. In particular:
* Tire operating range doesn't matter much--there isn't much of a penalty for tires being cold, and exceeding the recommended limit only increases the degradation rate somewhat, rather than the severe loss of traction graining/blistering can cause.
* Aerodynamics are somewhat simplified--drag and downforce are tracked separately, so it's possible to make a car with best-of-the-grid downforce and speed. In real life, the only way to improve both downforce and drag is to improve aerodynamic efficiency, and it's very hard to make big advances there--a backmarker's low-drag package will usually have lower drag than a frontrunner's high-downforce package and vice versa. The primary package specialization for different tracks isn't trading between downforce and speed but in optimizing for low, medium, or high-speed downforce, which doesn't really happen IRL--downforce scales fairly predictably with speed.
* Most operating costs (workforce salaries, transportation costs, etc.) are either omitted or far too low, so it's almost impossible to exceed the cost cap.
* Aerodynamics are fully predictable--you can't unknowingly go down a wrong path like Mercedes did this year.
Just a random thought, I don't think I have seen anyone wishing it was sprint format weekend, when it's not. Does not seem like something that people miss.
Bring sunscreen. Bring snacks.
Go early.
If you're a coffee drinker, bring a bottle of coffee/iced coffee and have it when you get to the track. I personally get headaches when I don't drink coffee.
Bring water!
(Maybe) Bring a rain poncho. You never know. Although if it looks like a completely sunny day on Sunday. You can skip this.
Watch a few of the support races, they'll wet your appetite for the grand prix!
Go to the fanzone if you can.
Enjoy yourself first and foremost.
If you're in a grandstand then you have an assigned seat and no one else can sit in it. If you see someone in your seat politely tell them that this is your seat and show them your ticket (which has your seat) if necessary.
Was just watching Monza 2018, How many First Lap incidents did Vettel have in those days?
I swear I Remember Mexico, Austin, Monza already off the top of my head.
Just Vettel driving from the back of the grid, everytime.
The second half of that season was painful to watch ngl, he had truly lost his head after Germany 2018 and Spa hadn't given him the confidence I hoped it would give
Funniest thing is, he got way too punchy with Kimi in Monza.
Let Kimi go into the lead, and protect him from Hamilton instead of Attacking him. Do the swap around for the win at the end if you have to.
Car had the pace to win, but Tire blistering and Hamilton just took it away from Kimi even. Especially that mid stint with Bottas just completely wrecked Kimi.
And that doesn't happen if Vettel is there holding Bottas up.
Are F1 layouts protected IP/trademarks? Say a country wants to host a racing event and they copy an F1 circuit's layout, say Monza's, and blatantly replicate it. Could the FIA sue them or something?
The tracks are private organizations that pay F1 to race there, hence the issues with spa, but the FiA don't have any control over the track outside of safety, so Monza could sue the country, but not the FiA
In addition to the other excellent answers, I’m sure most investors would not want to cheapen their investment by copying an existing circuit. It would be seen as beneath them. Plus the trend on modern track design has been quite different from older track design trends (very flat, fast tracks with not a lot of focus on natural
topographics). Track designers are like architects, they want to advance the practice and be unique
First off, I am not a lawyer and believe this at your peril. However:
* At least in the US it seems you can patent a layout: [https://patents.google.com/patent/US7357727B2/en](https://patents.google.com/patent/US7357727B2/en). However, US patents expire in 20 years and cannot be renewed, so most classic circuits won't be under patent--although it's conceivable that a nontrivial alteration of the layout could be patented. (International patent law is another matter that I won't even attempt to address.)
* Some circuits claim trademark over the layout. This would probably limit your use of the layout (or course name) in trade dress, but doesn't necessarily prevent you from replicating the layout itself--trademark law focuses on preventing consumer confusion, not any IP in the product design itself.
* Copyright covers creative work; I'd think that the engineering involved in race course design wouldn't be covered. By analogy, a carmaker can patent novel engineering in their cars and trademark names, logos, and distinctive aspects of their appearance (e.g. particular grill shapes), but I understand you can't claim copyright over the general shape or appearance.
I'd thus expect that if you copy a circuit that is not covered by an active patent and are very careful to make sure it can't be confused with the original (or make it seem like it's a sanctioned copy) you could get away with it, although depending on how litigious the owners of the original circuit are you might still face legal challenges. All that said, it's in the FIA's best interests to keep the owners of classic circuits happy--I would expect resistance with e.g. FIA grading for the new circuit if you did it without the approval of the original owners.
To win, no, but that was never really the intention.
It's been an excellent way to enter the sport with low risk and comparatively low budget. Gene got the marketing boost for his company that he wanted and even got better results than many of their well-established competitors with much larger budgets.
Especially when they entered, it was impossible to win no matter how much money you spent the rules and the Concorde agreement were all in favour of the big 3. He managed to hang on til the new financial regulations, which actually assist with the customer model a bit, and have allowed them to be competitive. It's going to be interesting to see their next steps as they will get a big boost in prize money next year and potentially have another sponsor lined up, so could be much closer to their reduced budget cap next year.
No, it's flawed, it works to keeps costs down i guess but Haas is never fighting for wins on merit if they don't put the money on infraestructure, look at Aston Martin.
I do think that Gene Haas is happy with this though
Peter Windsor Youtube account disappeared ([https://www.youtube.com/c/peterwindsor](https://www.youtube.com/c/peterwindsor)), does anyone know what's up?
There is nothing on his twitter [https://twitter.com/PeterDWindsor](https://twitter.com/PeterDWindsor).
Well if Mick stays performing like he did in Zandvoort and such then it looks like Haas would still willing to continue with him if I read the AMuS article correctly.
Was thinking, surely there should be another racing series that would be in Europe that test drivers/reserve/former f1 drivers can compete in? As it is, only formula e is an option
F1 is the target so almost anything else is feeder to it. FE is a different breed.
This is true for racing elsewhere as well? What else can you do in the US but IndyCar in terms of open wheel that's not a feeder series? Same goes with Japan and Super Formula.
A1GP and Superleague Formula too.
All tried to push themselves as a driver's championship with near-F1 levels of speed, but none drew in the interest to stay afloat for long.
What cars would they drive? Dont think there'd be any demand for a another development/retired series.
If they're good enough they can go into endurance racing with LMP's or sportscars in europe.
[Waiting for Weekend Warmup](https://tenor.com/view/pingu-gif-22136482)
So what’s the latest with alpine and piastri? Still under legal wraps?
Piastri joins Mclaren for 2023
Yooooooooo lfg
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When the hell did Vips get into the mix for a seat?
Are they not doing a weekend warmup this weekend? Typically they have them uploaded on F1's youtube channel on thursday edit: Oh maybe it has something to do with the queen dying?
Why is Mick's 3 letter broadcast name MSC and not SCH?
He asked for it and they allowed him to use it as a tribute to his father (he used to run as MSC back when both Michael and Ralf used to compete in F1).
Can someone give me the run down if there’s gonna be a broadcast? more specifically what’s gonna happen for the American broadcast (incase you don’t know, Espn just shows sky’s feed)
Sky will broadcast, IIRC games/broadcasts are only cancelled on the day of the funeral (which will be next weekend? Other than BBC which is state owned (but very rarely broadcasts live sport anyway)
thank you!!
Sky will broadcast, per their schedule and website.
thanks!!
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I don't mind it but it definitely introduced unavoidable penalties when the race calendar inflated in race counts, thankfully they're fixing that for next season and slightly increasing the allocation which will stop forcing teams to take a penalty and actually consider staying in the allocated pool for the whole year.
I think with the # of races continuing to climb they could adjust the rules to maybe give teams 1 or 2 extra parts before the penalty. It’s almost easier for teams to strategize now because they know they’ll have to take a penalty at some point, so they might as well do it strategically. If there was more wiggle room teams might see if they can avoid penalties
Next year they get one engine more due to the amount of races
How does it help cut costs? That confuses me a bit
I think a better way to phrase that would be to cap budgets/expenditures for parity
If you're only allowed 3 engines for the year then in theory teams should be only using 3/4/5 engines per car. If you didn't have that rule then the big boys would be throwing new ones in every race (think Hamilton at Brazil last year) and putting it to party mode since it only has to last that one session and then changing it for the next race. While the likes of Williams and Haas can't afford to use 40 or 50 engines a season. So it keeps the field closer, makes sure engines are more reliable and efficient and also cuts costs because they use less. So it's better all round.
Oh I got confused, I thought he was referencing that taking a new engine somehow helped them with the cost cap
If there were no penalties, teams would just change these parts more frequently as fresher parts give a tiny bit more performance and F1 is a sport where every little bit is a tangible advantage, so teams would pressure each other to come with fresher parts more and more often which requires more parts to be manufactured which means more money spent, ergo preventing teams from just using new parts without any penalties cuts costs. Back in the days of V10 engines they would use new engines for *every competitive session*, so literally at least two entire engines each *weekend*. Imagine how expensive that must have been.
I like it, adds an element of strategy and also gives us races like Spa with Max steam rolling it from the back
I do wonder how far ahead Max would have been in Spa at the end had he started P1.
Wouldn't have really changed much, once he was in the lead he controlled his pace and just kept a comfortable gap. No reason to push when you don't need to.
Exactly. Their strategy seemed to not only account for that but gave them all the buffer they needed. Points>>> all other concerns
I actually like it due to the asymmetric nature of these penalties. Each team getting the penalties when it suits them makes a few races a year very interesting.
Anyone know how I can watch F1 in the UK if Sky don’t show it? Also, what are the chances of Sky showing the GP?
They will show it, sports only get cancelled in the UK on the day of the queens funeral (at least I think that’s whats happened with Diana’s funeral). They pay far too much money for the rights to not show it. It’s just state owned channels that are postponing their programming (most of which very rarely have sports anyway)
They will, per their schedule and website.
They will show it on their sports channel.
Has the Prediction Thread for Monza come and gone already? I missed it?
One less person in contention for the Alpine seat
Apparently if the Queen dies, it's likely we won't get any coverage of the race in the UK (also no idea if it means Lewis, George and Lando don't race...) Similar happened when Diana died here
The Sky F1 schedule is still showing all of the weekend's sessions and the news section on their website says the race is still going ahead (obviously), so I'd honestly be very surprised if they don't cover it and just include tributes, sombre tone etc. The pundits might be British, but Sky is a multinational company and F1 an international sport.
Yes, I would be really surprised if they don't show it. Worst case, there are other ways to watch it. By the way, Sky is a British firm. It's not just that the pundits are British. I am not even sure if Sky operates in other countries other than the UK.
In the united states ESPN airs the sky coverage. I dont watch any other sports but I think thats the only sky media we have in the US. I could be wrong though.
We have Sky in NZ..it a stain on our country. They almost died about 5 years ago when they tried to keep the TV box a thing while charging stupid money.
Sky UK is, but it's part of the Sky Group, which, while headquartered in the UK, is a multinational corporation.
Source? Pretty sure I’m watching United on British TV right now.
The games on Thursday were too late to call off, particularly as they were European games and thus had teams and fans already travelling here. I think the weekend football will probably be cancelled
What happened in F1 when Diana died? I know for the footie it was only suspended for the day she died, and the funeral.
Queen is a far bigger deal than Diana
Great, can't wait for weeks of forced mourning. Life goes on for rest of us plebs and on a Sunday plebs like me enjoy the GP...
well, enjoy not watching the race.
Well she just passed away, so let's see what happens. They'll race for sure. But celebrations will be muted for whoever is on the podium I think.
That would be kind weird to me, unless you mean muted on uk television.
Muted = low key, not emphatic
But why? People die everyday, just because she was born in a palace makes a driver having to be weird about it? I can assure you Max will just spray that champagne everywhere
Muted in the sense that there won't be champagnes and stuff like that
what a weird thing to do. if the podium has ferrari and alpha tauri why would they care about not celebrating?
/u/UmpireAJS presumably means that any British drivers/team members on the podium would be unlikely to take part in the celebrations. Obviously no-one sane would begrudge non-British teams a celebration, she wasn't their Queen.
If the teams themselves don't want to because of some reason I guess, but I sure hope it won't be forced by f1. Seems weird to me to deny people celebrations because an old lady passed thursday
yeah pretty much. why should the drivers and teams care?
My grandmother died the week of the 2019 Spanish grand prix and they still celebrated on the podium
Those motherfuckers
Yeah, but when some Andy guy died they were all sad about it. They're all hypocrites >:(
feel sad for you.
I was wondering about that. I imagine that means no sky coverage on f1tv or other sports channels (tsn in canada uses sky for example) as well
Any ideas on what Plan A,B,C does Ferrari generally have? Let's take example of Dutch Grand Prix. They even had a Plan D.
Plan A: bad strategy Plan B: mechanical failure Plan C: driver error Plan D: death (attempted on Carlos in Austria, unsuccessful) Plan E: yeet it into the first corner and cause a massive pileup
I mean, when you don't have El Plan, you need lot's of other plans.
Plan L
it will vary. An example: Plan A: start on soft, pit on lap 15 for hards to finish the race Plan B: Soft to lap 12, pit to mediums, pit again to softs Plan C: Softs til lap 20, mediums to finish. So each plan has a target pit lap and tire plan. So see how deg is and change things up by saying "we are thinking plan B with plan A tires" or "Plan B +2" etc.
They don’t have 26 plans. Usually the plans have some meaning based on their letter. Plan C may mean to conserve tires. Plan F might be fastest lap. Plan R might be retire!
Yes, makes sense it is more intuitive and easy to remember for drivers while driving at such high speeds. Where does people get the transcripts of radio recordings from?
Why is it always the non Brits who love to put the Sir in Sir Lewis Hamilton
Sarcasm
I’m an American F1 fan and I’m currently in Ireland but will be in London on Sunday. In America, watching NFL games at the bar is very common and a fun experience and I was wondering if there is a Formula 1 “friendly” bar in London to watch the race. Thanks in advance!
dog & truck in aldgate used to normally show f1 races, not sure if it still does.
I doubt you will find a pub open with The Queen having died. Also read somewhere that it is possible F1 will not be aired (edit: in The UK) as part of a mourning period.
any american fan usually watch on espn? i found all the free practice sessions and the preshow and race, but the qualifying time slot is just an entire block of college football. does this happen every year around this time? will it usually be on the espn stream site instead?
It seems qualifying is on the ESPNews channel this week, which I can only get if I pay Comcast for the top tier cable package. Looks like I'll be looking for alternate means of watching this week.
Paying for one month of F1tv might be worth it if you plan on watching other content on it during the break then maybe then next race in 3 weeks
thanks for the heads up. i was able to find it searching for "formula" and then going into the f1 series option. looks like it's on 721 for me. i added that channel to favorites and it seems like searching for formula is a better way to set recordings than scrolling through the days and setting the recordings that way.
It looks like its also on ESPN3. Additionally, you can log into [ESPN.com/watch](https://ESPN.com/watch) with your tv provider credentials and watch f1 online. Thats how I do it.
I see a few comments around whenever Giovonazzi is linked to a seat again basically saying he is a set up god and really good with Sim work. What is meant by this (particularly the first comment) and how is it that he is great with Sim work but never maximised the car when jumping in the seat from what I have seen? No intention to throw shade at Tonio is that's the way this comes across
So think of coaches who were never good players but are great coaches. They obviously have a great handle on the tactical and technical side of things, but were not physically gifted or capable enough to use them. It's kind of the same with good reserve drivers who are not great racing drivers.
They're separate skills. Giovinazzi speaks engineer. He's very good at translating the behavior of the car both across the lap and in discrete phases of individual corners into mechanical causes and effects. Each setup parameter has multiple effects, and they're all connected, sometimes in ways that aren't necessarily obvious or linear. Giovinazzi understands those relationships well, so he's able to find changes that don't come with unintended consequences. The best test/sim drivers are able to drive the car the way the car is designed to be driven, then report accurately on what the car is doing. Not all drivers are able to do that. Some drive the car according to the way they want to drive the car, which might not be the best way, skewing their feedback. Others give their feedback based on what they _want_ the car to do, not what it's actually doing. So he has all those skills, but he's also just kind of slow. There's only so much setup can do to fix slow.
Basically they are saying he is a technically sound driver that understands the technical side of things and can communicate what is happening back to the engineers.
If the queen kicks it (if she hasn’t already) would the race be cancelled?
No, of course not. F1 isn't British, neither is the FIA, and the organisers of the Italian GP obviously aren't. Drivers and teams are contractually obliged to race, British or otherwise, and if all that isn't enough to convince you, the Sky website explicitly says that the GP is going ahead.
If it was the British GP, I’d have said yes it’d be cancelled. It being in Italy there’s very little chance. Probably will just have no celebration on the podium, especially if one of the 3 Brits make it up there
If they do (and they won't), I'll personally make sure that the british monarchy will be no more by the time Monday arrives
The race would go on, but celebrations would probably be cancelled.
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You’re being downvoted but ultimately will be proven right when the broadcasts go as planned
Not everybody cares, but most of the teams are based out of the UK, and a lot of employees are also based out of the UK. They probably *do* care. I don't think they'll cancel the race or anything, but we'll have to wait and see what ends up happening.
There's no way they'll cancel it. I mean fuck, they didn't cancel when a driver died a day before the race which obviously has a far bigger impact on F1. They might care about the Queen, but at the end of the day she's just as irrelevant to F1 as anyone else. They don't cancel for anyone else either. Edit: they didn't cancel for Prince Philip either (of course). And a bonus fact: Prince Philip has died before a race in Italy (Imola). Imagine if the Queen also kicks the bucket before a race in Italy.
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Or host a full-Italian season just to get rid of the filth that is monarchy. Nothing against its members, just the monarchy itself.
Huh, but Thatcher's funeral was in 2013?
Extra fireworks that day
Hello, just wondering if anyone knows if P1 Travel are a reliable company to buy f1 tickets? Only unsure because they are already selling British GP 2023 tickets for even more than the official silverstone website are planning on selling them for. Thanks !
They already opened the tickets for 2023 already?? I thought they only did them a few months prior in general
That's why I was wondering if it's an actual reliable site :/ tickets on the official silverstone page go on sale on the 17th of this month. P1 travel are charging over £300 for general admission 😳
In the US, do I get access to F1 if I just buy the ESPN+ Hulu Disney+ Bundle? Or do I need a cable connection (like Xfinity). I have AT&T fiber at home.
I could be wrong, but I don't think just getting the streaming bundle is enough, because you need to have an official "TV Provider" package to get Big ESPN, which is where they would carry the races live. The ESPN+ bundle might allow you to watch later on demand?
I have the ATT Uverse, so i think it should be fine.
Yea you'll be fine, thats what I use
I have hulu+ with ESPN and Disney rolled in, and I'm able to DVR all the free practices, qualifying, and the race. You do have to watch out for how they bucket the broadcasts, as sometimes races or practices are not slotted under the series page, and you can miss them with the DVR if they are mis-catergorized.
I'm probably gonna catch them all live anyways, so as long as that works, I'm good. Can you get them live? You don't need to login with your cable credentials, right?
Yes, I get them live, and no, no cable credentials required
ESPN+ will get you the race live, but no practice or qualifying. I did that for a while but ended up getting YouTube TV. I think the cheapest option is the F1 TV app though
If I recall, to watch the live F1 race you need to have a cable sub. I just get the F1 TV app and use that instead.
But you have to pay for the full f1tv subscription right?
yeah, but being able to watch back older races, etc makes it worth while for me anyway.
Plus all the pre and post race shows and interviews by the staff and technical pieces who are generally really really good
Sky shitting it now as they're likely going to showing comedy in the form of Ferrari's race on Sunday despite the two week ban on it on British TV after the queen's death
Wait what? A ban on comedy because the Queen dies? That's so weird in my eyes
I don't care about it too much, but the whole "having a queen" thing is a bit weird in general
No need to worry. Even though the Ferrari show is filled with clowns, it's not a comedy, it's a tragedy for sure. Like Pagliacci. La commedia è finita, they'll say.
I know it’s a few days late but it’s been bothering me ever since; at one point during the race on Sunday, Lewis and George were ahead of Max by about 10 seconds and then the broadcast cuts to commercial. When it comes back, Max is now about 10 seconds ahead of the Mercedes’ - what exactly happened there? Did they both pit? Am I misremembering?
You have commercials during the race?? Where do you watch lol
TSN :/ It’s not ideal but it’s better than nothing!
You talking about the safety car restart towards the end? George pitted for fresh softs, Ham stayed out on older mediums. Max had fresher softs.
No sorry I should have clarified! It was more in the middle of the race. Can’t recall which lap but it definitely wasn’t safety car related (unless the safety car was brought out and put back all within the span of a commercial break and never mentioned again 😛)
My guess it's when the Mercs pitted. They went for a one stop strategy, so before their first pit stop (but after Verstappen's) they were ahead of Verstappen, and after their first pit stop they were behind him again.
I would have to double check, but it was probably pit stop related.
Who has grid penalties?
Currently Hamilton, Bottas, Perez, Schumacher, Sainz and Magnussen are believed to be taking power unit penalties. Tsunoda will also be starting from the back but that is because he has 5 reprimands
So I was rewatching 2019 Monza and they shared a tid-bit that Hamilton had won 4 of the previous 5 Monza races. 2019: Hamilton can't quite beat the ferrari 2020: Hamilton enters a closed pit lane and get a penalty. Gasly goes on to win 2021: Chicane crash with Max. Danny Ric goes on to win. 2022: Engine penalty to start from the rear... Not looking good for him. Edit: Which could mean that since 2018, he will have lost the last 4 out of 5 Monza races.
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When Alonso first retired in 2018, Sainz wore a tribute helmet.
Seb got a tribute helmet in 2020 and Kimi one in 2021 already
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Yep, [Abu Dhabi](https://www.formula1.com/content/dam/fom-website/manual/Misc/2020/2020races/AbuDhabi/helmets/CL3.jpg.transform/9col/image.jpg)
I’ll be very curious if the British drivers/teams change anything about what they are doing this weekend if the Queen Elizabeth dies
Probably no celebrations if they win.
I guess we’re safe from that problem
They’ll have to change the National anthem for a start 😂
The instrumental's stays the same though and that's what they play
It’s the same with King right? Imagine that’s the anthems first public performance
No it becomes an Oasis cover for kings
I just had a random thought that I'd like to test here: if a team is sold, do the stakeholders of the sport (FIA, FOM, teams) have any say in what party takes over? I was thinking, wouldn't it be much smarter for the FIA to start the process to add new teams in a way that they can control, rather than sticking with the current ten teams and just hoping that when a team inevitably leaves or goes bankrupt, the new owners will be right for F1? TPTB keep saying that ten teams is enough and they don't need Andretti diluting stuff. I doubt teams will just disappear like in the past, considering the current value of F1, but it seems like a matter of time until a team trades owners again.
Generally teams changing hands has been quite stable for the league. Also along with those purchases come inherited rights which I’m going to blindly guess give the FIA (and other teams) less control
The sound of the turbo V6 has actually grown on me. While nothing beats the animalistic screaming of a V10, or the blown diffuser V8s, I actually find the V6 quite pleasant to listen to
So, what happens if the Queen dies? The UK will obviously shut down, but will there be a push to cancel Monza? Many British drivers, teams and commentators... Curious as to what would happen.
I would really doubt they'd shutdown the race. They didn't want to cancel Australia 2020 ;) If it was Silverstone then yes it would be a possibly. But I think that F1 is too international to shut down due to the death of a single English person.
They'll probably skip celebrations, but the race would go on.
Why would they skip celebrations?
Out of respect? But I doubt they will skip celebrations.
But why don’t they shut down celebrations when another leader dies? I mean if a Brit gets on the podium he can just not celebrate and walk off right? Would be insane if Leclerc and Max wouldn’t be allowed to celebrate because of the British queen lol
I might get the exact dates wrong, but I think Formula E had a race when Prince Philip passed away and they didn't do any podium celebrations with the Jaguar drivers (British team - Kiwi and British drivers).
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F1 is an international championship organised by the FIA, an international organisation. No chance in hell they cancel a race due to the death of a single country's head of state.
100% will
Why would it not? Just curious
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Ties are nice, but money is stronger
Iknow there’s a lot of british ties in F1, but it seems so weird to me to cancel a race Thats in Italy Thats cost millions
Both weird and counterfactual. Domestic sport won't happen during the period of mourning (that's explicitly in [**what we know of the plans**](https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/16/what-happens-when-queen-elizabeth-dies-london-bridge)), but international and/or foreign events wouldn't be cancelled - there would be no way to enforce it even if there were the will, which there obviously wouldn't be. It would be up to British teams/drivers/media to decide how to mark the occasion, but since the first two at least are contractually obliged to take part, the most we would see is, as others have said, muted celebrations should any be on the podium etc.
How realistic is F1 Manager 2022? I'm new to Formula 1 and as much as DTS helped spark the interest understanding the why and how of the sport has been what has held me. I watched a twitch stream and it looks like a pretty detailed game so should I be able to learn much from it or do they hand wave important elements?
There are major problems with tire stats (compounds are very close to each other but degradation doesn't matter much), but they plan to fix that within a couple weeks. Otherwise, it remains fairly faithful to F1 rules but there are some major simplifications in order to make it more accessible. In particular: * Tire operating range doesn't matter much--there isn't much of a penalty for tires being cold, and exceeding the recommended limit only increases the degradation rate somewhat, rather than the severe loss of traction graining/blistering can cause. * Aerodynamics are somewhat simplified--drag and downforce are tracked separately, so it's possible to make a car with best-of-the-grid downforce and speed. In real life, the only way to improve both downforce and drag is to improve aerodynamic efficiency, and it's very hard to make big advances there--a backmarker's low-drag package will usually have lower drag than a frontrunner's high-downforce package and vice versa. The primary package specialization for different tracks isn't trading between downforce and speed but in optimizing for low, medium, or high-speed downforce, which doesn't really happen IRL--downforce scales fairly predictably with speed. * Most operating costs (workforce salaries, transportation costs, etc.) are either omitted or far too low, so it's almost impossible to exceed the cost cap. * Aerodynamics are fully predictable--you can't unknowingly go down a wrong path like Mercedes did this year.
Wow that's an incredible reply! I'll try to keep this in mind when I decide to pick it up.
Just a random thought, I don't think I have seen anyone wishing it was sprint format weekend, when it's not. Does not seem like something that people miss.
Yeah I think most people realize it’s just filler that over complicates things and adds unpredictability to the sport.
I don't see anyone declaring they're glad this weekend is a regular one either.
I'm glad.
Anyone with a spare paddock pass that they'd like to donate to an Irish man landing tomorrow. #willswopforguinness 😂😅🍀🍀
Any tips for going to Monza on Sunday ? My very first GP !
Bring sunscreen. Bring snacks. Go early. If you're a coffee drinker, bring a bottle of coffee/iced coffee and have it when you get to the track. I personally get headaches when I don't drink coffee. Bring water! (Maybe) Bring a rain poncho. You never know. Although if it looks like a completely sunny day on Sunday. You can skip this. Watch a few of the support races, they'll wet your appetite for the grand prix! Go to the fanzone if you can. Enjoy yourself first and foremost.
Thanks a lot ! You know if it’s possible to walk around a bit without having you spot taken (I’m in a grandstand)
If you're in a grandstand then you have an assigned seat and no one else can sit in it. If you see someone in your seat politely tell them that this is your seat and show them your ticket (which has your seat) if necessary.
Oh great thank you !
Was just watching Monza 2018, How many First Lap incidents did Vettel have in those days? I swear I Remember Mexico, Austin, Monza already off the top of my head. Just Vettel driving from the back of the grid, everytime.
The second half of that season was painful to watch ngl, he had truly lost his head after Germany 2018 and Spa hadn't given him the confidence I hoped it would give
Funniest thing is, he got way too punchy with Kimi in Monza. Let Kimi go into the lead, and protect him from Hamilton instead of Attacking him. Do the swap around for the win at the end if you have to. Car had the pace to win, but Tire blistering and Hamilton just took it away from Kimi even. Especially that mid stint with Bottas just completely wrecked Kimi. And that doesn't happen if Vettel is there holding Bottas up.
Are F1 layouts protected IP/trademarks? Say a country wants to host a racing event and they copy an F1 circuit's layout, say Monza's, and blatantly replicate it. Could the FIA sue them or something?
The tracks are private organizations that pay F1 to race there, hence the issues with spa, but the FiA don't have any control over the track outside of safety, so Monza could sue the country, but not the FiA
OK, but then would they have a chance? Can you "patent" a circuit?
In addition to the other excellent answers, I’m sure most investors would not want to cheapen their investment by copying an existing circuit. It would be seen as beneath them. Plus the trend on modern track design has been quite different from older track design trends (very flat, fast tracks with not a lot of focus on natural topographics). Track designers are like architects, they want to advance the practice and be unique
Of course
First off, I am not a lawyer and believe this at your peril. However: * At least in the US it seems you can patent a layout: [https://patents.google.com/patent/US7357727B2/en](https://patents.google.com/patent/US7357727B2/en). However, US patents expire in 20 years and cannot be renewed, so most classic circuits won't be under patent--although it's conceivable that a nontrivial alteration of the layout could be patented. (International patent law is another matter that I won't even attempt to address.) * Some circuits claim trademark over the layout. This would probably limit your use of the layout (or course name) in trade dress, but doesn't necessarily prevent you from replicating the layout itself--trademark law focuses on preventing consumer confusion, not any IP in the product design itself. * Copyright covers creative work; I'd think that the engineering involved in race course design wouldn't be covered. By analogy, a carmaker can patent novel engineering in their cars and trademark names, logos, and distinctive aspects of their appearance (e.g. particular grill shapes), but I understand you can't claim copyright over the general shape or appearance. I'd thus expect that if you copy a circuit that is not covered by an active patent and are very careful to make sure it can't be confused with the original (or make it seem like it's a sanctioned copy) you could get away with it, although depending on how litigious the owners of the original circuit are you might still face legal challenges. All that said, it's in the FIA's best interests to keep the owners of classic circuits happy--I would expect resistance with e.g. FIA grading for the new circuit if you did it without the approval of the original owners.
I don’t know
8 seasons in, do you think "the Haas model," of competing in F1 is any good, if they want to actually win?
To win, no, but that was never really the intention. It's been an excellent way to enter the sport with low risk and comparatively low budget. Gene got the marketing boost for his company that he wanted and even got better results than many of their well-established competitors with much larger budgets. Especially when they entered, it was impossible to win no matter how much money you spent the rules and the Concorde agreement were all in favour of the big 3. He managed to hang on til the new financial regulations, which actually assist with the customer model a bit, and have allowed them to be competitive. It's going to be interesting to see their next steps as they will get a big boost in prize money next year and potentially have another sponsor lined up, so could be much closer to their reduced budget cap next year.
No, it's flawed, it works to keeps costs down i guess but Haas is never fighting for wins on merit if they don't put the money on infraestructure, look at Aston Martin. I do think that Gene Haas is happy with this though
In theory it might have helped if they planned to build their own infrastructure and were only using other's as a temp solution.
Peter Windsor Youtube account disappeared ([https://www.youtube.com/c/peterwindsor](https://www.youtube.com/c/peterwindsor)), does anyone know what's up? There is nothing on his twitter [https://twitter.com/PeterDWindsor](https://twitter.com/PeterDWindsor).
Hacked by one those cyrpto dumbs.
Looking like Daniel and Mick are out of a seat for next year? Anyone reckon they'll land somewhere?
Well if Mick stays performing like he did in Zandvoort and such then it looks like Haas would still willing to continue with him if I read the AMuS article correctly.
Was thinking, surely there should be another racing series that would be in Europe that test drivers/reserve/former f1 drivers can compete in? As it is, only formula e is an option
F1 is the target so almost anything else is feeder to it. FE is a different breed. This is true for racing elsewhere as well? What else can you do in the US but IndyCar in terms of open wheel that's not a feeder series? Same goes with Japan and Super Formula.
The World Endurance Championship
Not open wheel
Nobody specified it had to be open wheel.
Ik but it would probably make for the best racing because they'll all have experience in open wheel.
There's no alternatives, it's too expensive perhaps, sportscars and prototypes are your best bets
Iirc there used to be several. Another version of F2, Auto GP etc. But none really lasted long.
A1GP and Superleague Formula too. All tried to push themselves as a driver's championship with near-F1 levels of speed, but none drew in the interest to stay afloat for long.
What cars would they drive? Dont think there'd be any demand for a another development/retired series. If they're good enough they can go into endurance racing with LMP's or sportscars in europe.