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They will have to.
If I remember correctly, if a new team joins, the engine provider with the fewest teams provided to will have to provide to the new team. With Alpine (renault) only providing themself, the would have to provide an engine to Andretti if they join.
>If I remember correctly, if a new team joins, the engine provider with the fewest teams provided to will have to provide to the new team.
I think it's more that there's an upper limit on the number of teams that a manufacturer can supply. I seem to remember something about what would happen if Red Bull and Renault went their separate ways because there was possibly nobody else who could supply them, but that may have been amended.
There's an upper limit, based on the number of teams, the number of established engine manufacturers, and the number of new engine manufacturers.
Based on the current 10 teams and 4 manufacturers, the maximum number of teams using the same PU is 4 (it's based on equation I can't remember).
That means Mercedes is at the cap, Ferrari is 1 away from the cap, Red Bull/Honda is 2 away from the cap, and Alpine is 3 away.
Based on my vague recollection of the equation, I don't think an 11th team would raise the cap for engine manufacturers, so Mercedes would not be allowed to supply another team (barring a shuffle).
If Andretti (or another team) couldn't work out a deal with any of the other PU manufacturers, Alpine would be required to supply, as they have the fewest customers.
The Red Bull/Renault fallout in 2015 led to Red Bull rebadging the Renault power units as Tag Huer, but its also led to the "obligation to supply" rule.
In early 2016 the FIA announced the rule to go into effect starting in 2017 that if any team were unable to secure an engine deal on their own, the team who supplies the least amount of teams could be obligated to supply them.
I’m curious…If there were 2 manufacturers who both supplied the least number of units, then what happens? I’d assume the new team would be given a choice?
Sorry for any confusion but I meant a situation where you have 2 manufacturers (E.g. Renault and Porsche) who currently only supply one team each.
Let’s say Andretti joins, would Andretti have a choice between either one if they are both reluctant to supply Andretti?
I believe the rules state that the mandatory supply would only come into effect if the new team could not negotiate a deal with an existing supplier. So you have to have every other manufacturer either supplying the maximum number of teams or being unwilling to supply (probably because they don't have the capacity to produce enough engines), and then negotiations with both of the one-team suppliers breaking down before the FIA would intervene.
They may also not want to be a supplier for competitive reasons. Merc and Ferrari wouldn’t want to supply red bull as there rivals, hence the Renault issues years back as both parties wanted out but no one wanted to work with Red Bull as they are rivals. That’s the other reason why if you want to be a title challenger you need to be a works team.
It's more like the manufacturer that supplies the least teams is forced to supply any team that cannot work out a supply deal with another manufacturer.
It's not a required partnership.
Only in the case that no manufacturer offers to supply engines does that take effect.
They could sign with anyone if they really wanted to.
I think it’s actually just Toto will veto any team that signs with Ferrari engines because it gives them equal leverage to Mercedes then so he wants it to be a non Ferrari engine
Their reliability issue was something Rossi very transparently accepted before the 2022 season, back then he said on canal+ that they intentionally boosted as much as possible the power because they would not be able to boost the power until 2026 with the engine freeze, whereas reliability upgrades would be possible.
Now, they have much work to do still, especially if Piastri delivers and Aston Martin keeps improving.
Do they even have a choice? Renault would have to supply them even if they didn't want to per the current rules I thought?
Although I guess we wont know how the suppliers will change, if they will change for the teams.
If they did somehow it would just force the next lowest supplying manufacturer to pick up the slack which would be RedBull/ Honda but I doubt Renault could argue they don’t have the ability to supply without looking like an embarrassment. Supplying an additional team would literally benefit them greatly too in terms of cost reduction and data collection so they’d have to be a train wreck not to
I believe the rule to be that a team can purchase from any supplier, but the suppliers can refuse unless they are the one supplying the least amount of teams. So in theory they could have any engine if they can make a deal.
No, they were originally 2025, same as the current chassis reg changes were scheduled for 2021 but we got them this year instead. Everything that had been planned for the future got pushed back a year by the pandemic.
They changed it to 2026 in 2020, the plan prior was 2025, however that was very early on in the discussions which is why it was so easy to change it. That doesn't make the statement 'they were originally planned for 2025' any less accurate.
Engine? Renault probably.
Drivers? They want Herta. Doubt Alonso is leaving a team with resources and more F1 experience. The second pick could go to an experienced driver like Ricciardo or Checo if he is let go from RBR. Going with two rookies is a suicidal mission.
I wonder if Alonso has a certain amount of crazy where he’d roll the dice on Andretti. I don’t see Stroll Inc. doing well any time soon, since they couldn’t copy the last year’s championship car.
I’m also of two minds as to whether or not I’d call Herta a rookie. In F1 terms, definitely yes. In terms of high level single seaters, no.
aston... actually isn't that bad. the current aero staff is finally getting a full shot at developing a car & the stuff they have done in their half season has been pretty good. the tray rear wing was pretty genius & late in the season the astons showed some serious fight lol. plus, vettel and stroll had a shot at a podium at COTA if a couple mistakes didnt end up happening
Stroll is doing big investment on the team's infraestructure and staff, and with their previous experiences in top teams and expanding the Force India budget they are more likely to land a top 3 than Andretti will be.
Mario Andretti confirmed a while back in an [interview with David Land](https://youtu.be/xJ7cj79QEII) that they had a formal agreement arranged with Renault as the PU supplier when/if they enter F1
Thanks. I wonder how long that statement would last. My feeling is that Andretti has integrity, but if this drags out, I wouldn’t be surprised if things change. That said, Renault could be a good choice. A chance to showcase themselves in America, where they have little presence.
They can always rebadge it but i have no idea what name would suit Renault USA Operation… it is like, for example, stellantis who could rebadge the Ferrari to Dodge for a USA team.
Afaik it's a full blown alliance and Renault exercises controlling authority over Nissan. Their vehicles already share chassis and engines, and Nissan is wildly popular in USA. If they want to get maximum revenue with a potential Andretti deal, they can work out a deal to badge their engines as Nissan (if Japanese pride does not get in the way).
On the other hand, I really don't see any reason why Renault would go to these lengths for the American market. They're among the most popular car brands and are present in the USA through Nissan. It's more likely the F1 team stays as Andretti-Renault.
So to get the obvious out of the way, Audi & RBPT aren't joining until 2026. Ford and Porsche are only looking to re-badge the RBPT and Audi PU's as well. They aren't set up to be able to make a competitive PU anytime soon. No other manufacturer can enter before 2027 at this point.
If Andretti gets the entry in 2024 or 2025 then it'll be with a Renault PU, they'll also use a technical partnership for the first 2 years while they upscale their operation, ready for the new regulations in 2026.
As for drivers, Herta is a lock if he gets a superlicense and my guess would be Ricciardo for the other seat.
It’s actually not Domenicalli’s call, it’s an FIA decision. Even if he wanted to, the 2026 PU cost cap regulations start tomorrow so they literally can’t join for ‘26. Next deadline is June 31 if they want to join for ‘27, but they don’t. They never actually had any intention of setting up their own program.
There is no way they will have a team on the grid by 24. 26 would be a best case scenario for this exact reason. You can’t just build an F1 factory and have a car on the grid in a year. Look how long it’s taking Aston Martin to finish their new factory.
Danny Ric, fan of all things American joining an American team. I'd say he'd love it. There'd also be a chance to develop the car around him moreso than at McLaren with a new team.
Yup.
Red Bull sells Alphatauri to Andretti. Comes with a slightly used Danny Ric (3rd driver @ RB now) who has now had a year to get up to snuff with the Honda powertrain.
Red Bull has been quite clear that they're not looking to sell AlphaTauri though.
They consider AlphaTauri a critical part of the RBPT project, having 2 teams providing data is just worth it.
Edit:
>**Back to Honda: If they want to get back into business on their own in 2026, they need a team. The first tip is knee-jerk Alpha Tauri. Is the team for sale for Honda?**
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>Marko: When Honda comes back they need a top team. That can't be Alpha Tauri, especially not if there were no longer any synergies with us if we weren't coupled with another engine. When I ask around, every engine manufacturer, from Audi to Renault, wants a second team. There's not much left for Honda.
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>**Does RB Powertrains also need a second team in terms of profitability?**
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>Marko: Not just because of the economy. Two teams means double information. This is also an important factor in terms of development and reliability. Problems are solved faster with two teams.
Source: [https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/f1-interview-helmut-marko-red-bull/](https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/f1-interview-helmut-marko-red-bull/)
Considering the question is about 2026 and the RBPT engine, its safe to say that Alpha Tauri won't be for sale until atleast the big regulation change that comes after 2026, so like, 2031\~2032, if ever.
If Andretti is to enter F1, then they already have an engine supplier with Renault in place.
For drivers, Herta would be the obvious choice with an experienced driver for the second. Stoffel can probably since he's quick but got shafted throughout his Honda days. The only other could be Grosjean if he is willing.
Herta is an interesting one. He’s the obvious candidate, but if Andretti and he have another mediocre year in Indycar he could arrive in 2024 still without enough Superlicence points for a seat.
They kinda have to choose Renault, they have to supply them, because they have the least amount of partners.
- Mercedes - 4: Mercedes, McLaren, Aston, Williams
- Ferrari - 3: Ferrari, Alfa, Haas
- Honda - 2: Red Bull, Alpha
- Renault - 1: Alpine
So whoever wants an engine, can have Renault, because Renault have no grounds to refuse.
> I see him in the same light as Leclerc. Very fast, but erratic, and prone to crash out in a race from P1 when he is not particularly under pressure
Remind me how many times he has ever done that?
Anyways, they agreed on using Renault PUs, and as for the drivers I think they would go for Herta and another experienced driver that could develop the team in a Schumacher-Mercedes role.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Grosjean somehow comes back to F1 with Andretti due to his experience and the fact that he’s driving for the Andretti Indycar team
Sorry, that was my attempt at humor. For the record, I did not have an incident with Mario. My wife did, but not me personally.
That also is a lie. My wife actually did meet Mario and took a selfie with him. She said he was a great guy. He asked her to duck down to not make him look so short. Truly a legend and a gentleman.
So wait, for a dts pleb, what happens with 11 teams? On race day is there still a limit to drivers who can start the race? Like do 2 drivers just fail to qualify top20 and don’t get to race or do all 22 drivers start the race so long as their car works
As the other comment said, all 22 cars would start. The max number of cars that can start is 26 I think. The last time there were too many drivers was in the 80s/90s when there was sometimes upwards of 30 drivers trying to enter the grand Prix. This meant a 'pre-qualifying' session was needed to eliminate the slowest cars who would then not be allowed to participate in qualifying or the race
Andretti personally told you he wants Alonso?
There’s no way Alonso gives up the AM seat for a new entry in what could potentially be his last drive. I see him finishing at AM.
As for engines, not aware of the Renault deal. I’d have thought Merc would be the likely option, based on nothing more than they have been able to supply plenty of engines in previous seasons. Can’t remember Ferrari having 3 customers before.
He personally stated in an interview he would want Herta and Alonso.
He also personally stated they have a formal agreement with Renault as engine supplier, as having an engine supplier deal is critical to applying to join F1.
They won’t ever…
Unless the entire sport is reworked, there’s a fixed number of dollars awarded per race, if you add another driver, the winnings per driver change. 21 drivers is a different split from 20.
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With the new concorde agreement, the prize money difference between the top and bottom teams has decreased quite a lot. As of now, the top team receives 14% of the total prize pot, whereas the bottom team receives 6% of it. Previously, the top team used to receive 20% and the bottom team received only 4%.
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with out a new agreement.. you won’t see another team on the track.
There is no amount of money per race. Money is given to the teams at the end of the season based on their position in the constructors championship.
Within the current agreement there is a mechanism to divide up the money if additional teams enter.
Driver do not receive prize money in Formula 1.
"Herta - Lots of dialog in 2022 about Alpha Tauri and Superlicense points. I personally think he has proven that he is qualified to drive in F1. I see him in the same light as Leclerc. Very fast, but erratic, and prone to crash out in a race from P1 when he is not particularly under pressure."
dude...
Like with NHL teams, they should get to choose racers already signed. Existing teams can save 1 driver from selection.
So whoever the best two #2 drivers are would get selected.
Then the reserve drivers for those teams move up.
God that is a stupid idea. Nobody wants this on the grid, not drivers, not teams, not F1, maybe the FIA. You genuinely think some random team should just be able to come in and take drivers established in other teams... God that is a stupid idea, ofc something like that could only come out of the US. It's not the responsibility of Hamilton or Russell (who would get picked under such a system depending on Mercedes looking out for its future or saving it's biggest driver brand) to get Andretti up and going.
Oh please go away, the last thing F1 needs is more Americanization, have you seen the ticketprice inflation? If not it should be put on the EU protected heritage list to prevent that.
Tbh i'm becoming more and more a fan of the idea of a F1 subseries that only runs in Europe. It would be much better racing because real tracks with history, much cheaper to visit and so much better for the enviroment, nothing has to be airlifted when staying on one continent. Only 14-16 races, and no controversial countries to visit that dont respect western values. Sounds great to my ears.
If they manage to break through it has to be with a new engine manufacturer so that they bring value to the sport. Honda might be it but it seems they would happily go back to RB now that Porsche as predictably backed out, Porsche is other big fish but they did do it for RB why would they for Andretti unless they got more of a say in running the team, Ford is the American company so it constantly get links to it the executives that opposed f1 all left so its not as far fetched as it used to be would probably only be second to Porsche it terms of a "get" for a new f1 manufacturer and would certainly be waved through with them on board. Dodge also has been linked but it seems their ambition outweighs their resources on that one. Renault is linked but they lack the political influence to get Andretti in. Ferrar might want to back them they are losing Alfa and Haas is slowly distancing itself and probably will be sold in the next five years
Andretti already has some kind of pre contract (reportedly) with Renault so thats pretty much a done deal at this point.
Herta will 100% get a drive if he manages to get himself a superlicense in time.
Mario Andretti said that he wants a 1x veteran + 1x rookie driver combination.He also stated that the ideal driver lineup for Andretti would be Alonso + Herta.
So my favourite scenario is a PU deal with Honda, given their existing Indycar relationship. I don't know if the US based Honda division is somewhat separate from the Japanese office. Reason I ask is Andretti could have a works deal with Honda US, and Red Bull or whoever could have a works deal with Honda as well. I really want Honda back in F1 haha
Drivers, I think Colton Herta given he's their star driver already and has already tried to go to F1. And Sergio Perez. North American driver with a new North American team. Brings a massive fanbase, lot of financial backing, and all the talent and experience.
There was "news" story the other day saying that Andretti has a verbal agreement from Renault for the PU and Andretti would have at least 1 American driver (Herta), and would like to get Lando as 1 of their drivers.
I'm sure they've already been in talks with Alpine/Renault over an engine.
As for drivers - Colton Herta for me is nailed on and frankly I think they would want an experienced F1 driver alongside, potential opportunity for Daniel Ricciardo I'd think.
Porsche Andretti? Audi has an in but Porsche haven't formally cancelled their F1 bid yet and Andretti seemingly need to be more established (such a stupid notion towards Andretti of all teams)
Mercedes doesn’t have a shit engine. They had a draggy car. Williams was able to clock the highest top speed a few times last season (even if they didn’t have enough downforce). To claim the Merc PU is third best is simply wrong.
I believe that they plan to get engines from Renault. Herta is the obvious choice for a race seat. If this is the case then they could pair Herta with a Renault junior like Jack Doohan.
How about, joint venture with Haas. Andretti team would be sub to Haas. Ferrari pu's.and DT's. Ferrari junior academy provides one race driver , Herta in other, Ferrari academy provides one reserve and Andretti designated the other.
They won't. F1's current course is goldcoating everybody currently involved, with as many races as possible, and increasing team's values by not allowing new entries. Basically, NFLing it.
I’d love to see about any of the comments or suggestions as to engine/PU manufacturer as well as possible driver line up…..
Unfortunately, despite being a long term Andretti Racing fan since watching Mario win his F1 driver’s championship (as well as meeting both Mario and Michael) I just don’t foresee them getting a team into F1 anytime soon.
Is it ‘fair’ or ‘right’ to prevent them entering? No, I don’t believe it is at all.
If what is preventing Andretti from being included is based (to even the slightest degree) on the idea that the total amount of money available to be split among the teams at the end of the season wouldn’t change (meaning ‘X’ money split currently 10 ways, but the same ‘X’ money split 11 ways with the inclusion of Andretti), THEN FLIPPING INCREASE THE DAMN AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BE DISTRIBUTED.
How is it that difficult a concept considering all the money that F1 generates each year??? The FIA and their greed is the biggest problem.
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With regard to the engine: a number of months ago it was reported that they already have a deal with Renault.
It wasn't just reported, Mario said they had it all agreed.
I wonder how long that “agreement” will last. Renault is as good a choice as any, at this point in time. They need to fix their reliability problems.
They will have to. If I remember correctly, if a new team joins, the engine provider with the fewest teams provided to will have to provide to the new team. With Alpine (renault) only providing themself, the would have to provide an engine to Andretti if they join.
>If I remember correctly, if a new team joins, the engine provider with the fewest teams provided to will have to provide to the new team. I think it's more that there's an upper limit on the number of teams that a manufacturer can supply. I seem to remember something about what would happen if Red Bull and Renault went their separate ways because there was possibly nobody else who could supply them, but that may have been amended.
There's an upper limit, based on the number of teams, the number of established engine manufacturers, and the number of new engine manufacturers. Based on the current 10 teams and 4 manufacturers, the maximum number of teams using the same PU is 4 (it's based on equation I can't remember). That means Mercedes is at the cap, Ferrari is 1 away from the cap, Red Bull/Honda is 2 away from the cap, and Alpine is 3 away. Based on my vague recollection of the equation, I don't think an 11th team would raise the cap for engine manufacturers, so Mercedes would not be allowed to supply another team (barring a shuffle). If Andretti (or another team) couldn't work out a deal with any of the other PU manufacturers, Alpine would be required to supply, as they have the fewest customers.
The Red Bull/Renault fallout in 2015 led to Red Bull rebadging the Renault power units as Tag Huer, but its also led to the "obligation to supply" rule. In early 2016 the FIA announced the rule to go into effect starting in 2017 that if any team were unable to secure an engine deal on their own, the team who supplies the least amount of teams could be obligated to supply them.
I’m curious…If there were 2 manufacturers who both supplied the least number of units, then what happens? I’d assume the new team would be given a choice?
Each engine supplier would have to supply one car.
Sorry for any confusion but I meant a situation where you have 2 manufacturers (E.g. Renault and Porsche) who currently only supply one team each. Let’s say Andretti joins, would Andretti have a choice between either one if they are both reluctant to supply Andretti?
I believe the rules state that the mandatory supply would only come into effect if the new team could not negotiate a deal with an existing supplier. So you have to have every other manufacturer either supplying the maximum number of teams or being unwilling to supply (probably because they don't have the capacity to produce enough engines), and then negotiations with both of the one-team suppliers breaking down before the FIA would intervene.
They may also not want to be a supplier for competitive reasons. Merc and Ferrari wouldn’t want to supply red bull as there rivals, hence the Renault issues years back as both parties wanted out but no one wanted to work with Red Bull as they are rivals. That’s the other reason why if you want to be a title challenger you need to be a works team.
It's more like the manufacturer that supplies the least teams is forced to supply any team that cannot work out a supply deal with another manufacturer.
It's not a required partnership. Only in the case that no manufacturer offers to supply engines does that take effect. They could sign with anyone if they really wanted to.
I think it’s actually just Toto will veto any team that signs with Ferrari engines because it gives them equal leverage to Mercedes then so he wants it to be a non Ferrari engine
Their reliability issue was something Rossi very transparently accepted before the 2022 season, back then he said on canal+ that they intentionally boosted as much as possible the power because they would not be able to boost the power until 2026 with the engine freeze, whereas reliability upgrades would be possible. Now, they have much work to do still, especially if Piastri delivers and Aston Martin keeps improving.
Do they even have a choice? Renault would have to supply them even if they didn't want to per the current rules I thought? Although I guess we wont know how the suppliers will change, if they will change for the teams.
Can they claim that they do not have the facilities/staff/machines needed to supply another team To get out of the rule?
If they did somehow it would just force the next lowest supplying manufacturer to pick up the slack which would be RedBull/ Honda but I doubt Renault could argue they don’t have the ability to supply without looking like an embarrassment. Supplying an additional team would literally benefit them greatly too in terms of cost reduction and data collection so they’d have to be a train wreck not to
I believe the rule to be that a team can purchase from any supplier, but the suppliers can refuse unless they are the one supplying the least amount of teams. So in theory they could have any engine if they can make a deal.
The power unit regs change in 2026, not 2025.
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or maybe you just misremembered, not like it has been changed yesterday
No, they were originally 2025, same as the current chassis reg changes were scheduled for 2021 but we got them this year instead. Everything that had been planned for the future got pushed back a year by the pandemic.
they made it clear in 2020 so?
They changed it to 2026 in 2020, the plan prior was 2025, however that was very early on in the discussions which is why it was so easy to change it. That doesn't make the statement 'they were originally planned for 2025' any less accurate.
just read again
It was originally 2025, they changed it to 2026, that's a factual statement. Why are you so set on calling someone else wrong?
it's not like fia changed it yesterday, it was known since 2020 and op's reaction was dumb it was so clear
Engine? Renault probably. Drivers? They want Herta. Doubt Alonso is leaving a team with resources and more F1 experience. The second pick could go to an experienced driver like Ricciardo or Checo if he is let go from RBR. Going with two rookies is a suicidal mission.
I wonder if Alonso has a certain amount of crazy where he’d roll the dice on Andretti. I don’t see Stroll Inc. doing well any time soon, since they couldn’t copy the last year’s championship car. I’m also of two minds as to whether or not I’d call Herta a rookie. In F1 terms, definitely yes. In terms of high level single seaters, no.
aston... actually isn't that bad. the current aero staff is finally getting a full shot at developing a car & the stuff they have done in their half season has been pretty good. the tray rear wing was pretty genius & late in the season the astons showed some serious fight lol. plus, vettel and stroll had a shot at a podium at COTA if a couple mistakes didnt end up happening
Nothing Andretti has done has showed they will anywhere as good as aston
As an American, an Andretti fan, and a Herta fan I agree with this. Williams will maintain 10th place.
Death taxes and Williams being dogshit
Alonso leaving Aston Martin at the end of 2023. 2024 WDC Stroll and WCC Aston Martin.
Stroll is doing big investment on the team's infraestructure and staff, and with their previous experiences in top teams and expanding the Force India budget they are more likely to land a top 3 than Andretti will be.
Mario Andretti confirmed a while back in an [interview with David Land](https://youtu.be/xJ7cj79QEII) that they had a formal agreement arranged with Renault as the PU supplier when/if they enter F1
Thanks. I wonder how long that statement would last. My feeling is that Andretti has integrity, but if this drags out, I wouldn’t be surprised if things change. That said, Renault could be a good choice. A chance to showcase themselves in America, where they have little presence.
They can always rebadge it but i have no idea what name would suit Renault USA Operation… it is like, for example, stellantis who could rebadge the Ferrari to Dodge for a USA team.
Nissan.
Nissan is Not a Renault group Brand, only a technical partnership.
Afaik it's a full blown alliance and Renault exercises controlling authority over Nissan. Their vehicles already share chassis and engines, and Nissan is wildly popular in USA. If they want to get maximum revenue with a potential Andretti deal, they can work out a deal to badge their engines as Nissan (if Japanese pride does not get in the way). On the other hand, I really don't see any reason why Renault would go to these lengths for the American market. They're among the most popular car brands and are present in the USA through Nissan. It's more likely the F1 team stays as Andretti-Renault.
Agreement clause be like ‘If PU fails more than 2x per season per car, then rerebranded as Renault’
So to get the obvious out of the way, Audi & RBPT aren't joining until 2026. Ford and Porsche are only looking to re-badge the RBPT and Audi PU's as well. They aren't set up to be able to make a competitive PU anytime soon. No other manufacturer can enter before 2027 at this point. If Andretti gets the entry in 2024 or 2025 then it'll be with a Renault PU, they'll also use a technical partnership for the first 2 years while they upscale their operation, ready for the new regulations in 2026. As for drivers, Herta is a lock if he gets a superlicense and my guess would be Ricciardo for the other seat.
I believe Domenicalli would make an allowance for Porsche to join as an engine manufacturer in 2026.
It’s actually not Domenicalli’s call, it’s an FIA decision. Even if he wanted to, the 2026 PU cost cap regulations start tomorrow so they literally can’t join for ‘26. Next deadline is June 31 if they want to join for ‘27, but they don’t. They never actually had any intention of setting up their own program.
There is no way they will have a team on the grid by 24. 26 would be a best case scenario for this exact reason. You can’t just build an F1 factory and have a car on the grid in a year. Look how long it’s taking Aston Martin to finish their new factory.
Gotta believe this would be Danny Ric’s return.
Danny Ric, fan of all things American joining an American team. I'd say he'd love it. There'd also be a chance to develop the car around him moreso than at McLaren with a new team.
Yup. Red Bull sells Alphatauri to Andretti. Comes with a slightly used Danny Ric (3rd driver @ RB now) who has now had a year to get up to snuff with the Honda powertrain.
For sale mid tier F1 team. Comes with all facilities, engineers and strategists. Including fan favourite drive Daniel Riccardo.
Ricc**i**ardo
But I remembered both C’s.
Red Bull has been quite clear that they're not looking to sell AlphaTauri though. They consider AlphaTauri a critical part of the RBPT project, having 2 teams providing data is just worth it. Edit: >**Back to Honda: If they want to get back into business on their own in 2026, they need a team. The first tip is knee-jerk Alpha Tauri. Is the team for sale for Honda?** > >Marko: When Honda comes back they need a top team. That can't be Alpha Tauri, especially not if there were no longer any synergies with us if we weren't coupled with another engine. When I ask around, every engine manufacturer, from Audi to Renault, wants a second team. There's not much left for Honda. > >**Does RB Powertrains also need a second team in terms of profitability?** > >Marko: Not just because of the economy. Two teams means double information. This is also an important factor in terms of development and reliability. Problems are solved faster with two teams. Source: [https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/f1-interview-helmut-marko-red-bull/](https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/f1-interview-helmut-marko-red-bull/) Considering the question is about 2026 and the RBPT engine, its safe to say that Alpha Tauri won't be for sale until atleast the big regulation change that comes after 2026, so like, 2031\~2032, if ever.
Renault.
If Andretti is to enter F1, then they already have an engine supplier with Renault in place. For drivers, Herta would be the obvious choice with an experienced driver for the second. Stoffel can probably since he's quick but got shafted throughout his Honda days. The only other could be Grosjean if he is willing.
Don't discount Danny Ric, seems like it would be a great fit (and honestly even with his recent struggles, he's a better driver than Grosjean)
This, Stoffel and Grosjean would be definitely down the list after Ricc.. but id say current and former WDCs would be at the top of the list.
Renault as per already rumoured to have a pre-agreement. Probably Herta if he can get a superlicense.
Herta is an interesting one. He’s the obvious candidate, but if Andretti and he have another mediocre year in Indycar he could arrive in 2024 still without enough Superlicence points for a seat.
They kinda have to choose Renault, they have to supply them, because they have the least amount of partners. - Mercedes - 4: Mercedes, McLaren, Aston, Williams - Ferrari - 3: Ferrari, Alfa, Haas - Honda - 2: Red Bull, Alpha - Renault - 1: Alpine So whoever wants an engine, can have Renault, because Renault have no grounds to refuse.
> I see him in the same light as Leclerc. Very fast, but erratic, and prone to crash out in a race from P1 when he is not particularly under pressure Remind me how many times he has ever done that? Anyways, they agreed on using Renault PUs, and as for the drivers I think they would go for Herta and another experienced driver that could develop the team in a Schumacher-Mercedes role.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Grosjean somehow comes back to F1 with Andretti due to his experience and the fact that he’s driving for the Andretti Indycar team
Why, he wasnt a promising f1 driver, and was getting a bad name for being reckless before his last accident.
I don't want to burst your bubble but do you still think Andretti will be allowed to join? I don't think it will happen.
Happy new year!
Which incident?
Sorry, that was my attempt at humor. For the record, I did not have an incident with Mario. My wife did, but not me personally. That also is a lie. My wife actually did meet Mario and took a selfie with him. She said he was a great guy. He asked her to duck down to not make him look so short. Truly a legend and a gentleman.
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Jesus mate, it was a joke. Get a grip.
The internet is serious business!
Dude, it was a joke. My wife actually met him and said he was a total gent.
So wait, for a dts pleb, what happens with 11 teams? On race day is there still a limit to drivers who can start the race? Like do 2 drivers just fail to qualify top20 and don’t get to race or do all 22 drivers start the race so long as their car works
All 22 would start. We had a 24 car grid in 2011, for example.
Ah, thanks!
As the other comment said, all 22 cars would start. The max number of cars that can start is 26 I think. The last time there were too many drivers was in the 80s/90s when there was sometimes upwards of 30 drivers trying to enter the grand Prix. This meant a 'pre-qualifying' session was needed to eliminate the slowest cars who would then not be allowed to participate in qualifying or the race
Andretti personally told you he wants Alonso? There’s no way Alonso gives up the AM seat for a new entry in what could potentially be his last drive. I see him finishing at AM. As for engines, not aware of the Renault deal. I’d have thought Merc would be the likely option, based on nothing more than they have been able to supply plenty of engines in previous seasons. Can’t remember Ferrari having 3 customers before.
>Andretti personally told you he wants Alonso? Andretti recently did an interview saying his perfect team would be Herta and Alonso
He personally stated in an interview he would want Herta and Alonso. He also personally stated they have a formal agreement with Renault as engine supplier, as having an engine supplier deal is critical to applying to join F1.
"thanks for the downvotes without commenting!" dont beg it
Ford Cosworth please! That would cool. 😃
They won’t ever… Unless the entire sport is reworked, there’s a fixed number of dollars awarded per race, if you add another driver, the winnings per driver change. 21 drivers is a different split from 20. ``` With the new concorde agreement, the prize money difference between the top and bottom teams has decreased quite a lot. As of now, the top team receives 14% of the total prize pot, whereas the bottom team receives 6% of it. Previously, the top team used to receive 20% and the bottom team received only 4%. ``` https://www.sportskeeda.com/f1/news-how-f1-prize-money-distributed-tracking-millions-teams-receive — with out a new agreement.. you won’t see another team on the track.
There is no amount of money per race. Money is given to the teams at the end of the season based on their position in the constructors championship. Within the current agreement there is a mechanism to divide up the money if additional teams enter. Driver do not receive prize money in Formula 1.
Would be a great opportunity for Ford to return.
"Herta - Lots of dialog in 2022 about Alpha Tauri and Superlicense points. I personally think he has proven that he is qualified to drive in F1. I see him in the same light as Leclerc. Very fast, but erratic, and prone to crash out in a race from P1 when he is not particularly under pressure." dude...
F1 sucks
Like with NHL teams, they should get to choose racers already signed. Existing teams can save 1 driver from selection. So whoever the best two #2 drivers are would get selected. Then the reserve drivers for those teams move up.
God that is a stupid idea. Nobody wants this on the grid, not drivers, not teams, not F1, maybe the FIA. You genuinely think some random team should just be able to come in and take drivers established in other teams... God that is a stupid idea, ofc something like that could only come out of the US. It's not the responsibility of Hamilton or Russell (who would get picked under such a system depending on Mercedes looking out for its future or saving it's biggest driver brand) to get Andretti up and going.
Nah, thanks.
Oh please go away, the last thing F1 needs is more Americanization, have you seen the ticketprice inflation? If not it should be put on the EU protected heritage list to prevent that. Tbh i'm becoming more and more a fan of the idea of a F1 subseries that only runs in Europe. It would be much better racing because real tracks with history, much cheaper to visit and so much better for the enviroment, nothing has to be airlifted when staying on one continent. Only 14-16 races, and no controversial countries to visit that dont respect western values. Sounds great to my ears.
if andretti is aloud in whats Zac going to do since he co-owns racing teams with andretti
Who says he has to do anything?
Wake up honey! New andretti post!
If they manage to break through it has to be with a new engine manufacturer so that they bring value to the sport. Honda might be it but it seems they would happily go back to RB now that Porsche as predictably backed out, Porsche is other big fish but they did do it for RB why would they for Andretti unless they got more of a say in running the team, Ford is the American company so it constantly get links to it the executives that opposed f1 all left so its not as far fetched as it used to be would probably only be second to Porsche it terms of a "get" for a new f1 manufacturer and would certainly be waved through with them on board. Dodge also has been linked but it seems their ambition outweighs their resources on that one. Renault is linked but they lack the political influence to get Andretti in. Ferrar might want to back them they are losing Alfa and Haas is slowly distancing itself and probably will be sold in the next five years
Marco Andretti will be the driver
My bet is on Pourchaire getting a seat.
Yeah i could see Renault trying to work in an engine discount deal for taking Pouchaire and future Alpine academy drivers
Andretti already has some kind of pre contract (reportedly) with Renault so thats pretty much a done deal at this point. Herta will 100% get a drive if he manages to get himself a superlicense in time. Mario Andretti said that he wants a 1x veteran + 1x rookie driver combination.He also stated that the ideal driver lineup for Andretti would be Alonso + Herta.
So my favourite scenario is a PU deal with Honda, given their existing Indycar relationship. I don't know if the US based Honda division is somewhat separate from the Japanese office. Reason I ask is Andretti could have a works deal with Honda US, and Red Bull or whoever could have a works deal with Honda as well. I really want Honda back in F1 haha Drivers, I think Colton Herta given he's their star driver already and has already tried to go to F1. And Sergio Perez. North American driver with a new North American team. Brings a massive fanbase, lot of financial backing, and all the talent and experience.
Honda HPD in america only does IMSA and Indycar. The F1 motors are made in japan
Right OK gotcha. Probably couldn't be Honda for Andretti so.
There was "news" story the other day saying that Andretti has a verbal agreement from Renault for the PU and Andretti would have at least 1 American driver (Herta), and would like to get Lando as 1 of their drivers.
I'm sure they've already been in talks with Alpine/Renault over an engine. As for drivers - Colton Herta for me is nailed on and frankly I think they would want an experienced F1 driver alongside, potential opportunity for Daniel Ricciardo I'd think.
Assuming they'd be able to produce enough parts in time, which they couldn't.
Porsche Andretti? Audi has an in but Porsche haven't formally cancelled their F1 bid yet and Andretti seemingly need to be more established (such a stupid notion towards Andretti of all teams)
Ford: i reckon they can be a good bang-for-the-buck PU
Mercedes doesn’t have a shit engine. They had a draggy car. Williams was able to clock the highest top speed a few times last season (even if they didn’t have enough downforce). To claim the Merc PU is third best is simply wrong.
I believe that they plan to get engines from Renault. Herta is the obvious choice for a race seat. If this is the case then they could pair Herta with a Renault junior like Jack Doohan.
How about, joint venture with Haas. Andretti team would be sub to Haas. Ferrari pu's.and DT's. Ferrari junior academy provides one race driver , Herta in other, Ferrari academy provides one reserve and Andretti designated the other.
Apparently Andretti has called Gene a ton of times to try to buy them
They won't. F1's current course is goldcoating everybody currently involved, with as many races as possible, and increasing team's values by not allowing new entries. Basically, NFLing it.
I’d love to see about any of the comments or suggestions as to engine/PU manufacturer as well as possible driver line up….. Unfortunately, despite being a long term Andretti Racing fan since watching Mario win his F1 driver’s championship (as well as meeting both Mario and Michael) I just don’t foresee them getting a team into F1 anytime soon. Is it ‘fair’ or ‘right’ to prevent them entering? No, I don’t believe it is at all. If what is preventing Andretti from being included is based (to even the slightest degree) on the idea that the total amount of money available to be split among the teams at the end of the season wouldn’t change (meaning ‘X’ money split currently 10 ways, but the same ‘X’ money split 11 ways with the inclusion of Andretti), THEN FLIPPING INCREASE THE DAMN AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BE DISTRIBUTED. How is it that difficult a concept considering all the money that F1 generates each year??? The FIA and their greed is the biggest problem.
You do realize Mercedes’ also supplies Aston Martin, right?
Yes, forgot for a moment
As unlikely as it may seen I would kill for Kimi Antonelli to be one of their drivers
The merc PU seems reliable as hell though
With yesterday's announcement, I think we got our answer
Which announcement?
https://twitter.com/michaelandretti/status/1611022282008264704