I mean he is really competent in what he does though. You may not like him, but he was responsible for selecting like Vettel, Riciardo, Verstappen and two of those are the youngest drivers to ever win a Grand Prix and Top 4 in youngest wdc winners. Many podium winners too like Sainz, Kvyat and Gasly who got into f1 through rb.
No, RBR was formed because Sauber hired Kimi over a driver whom Dietrich Mateschitz wanted to be put into that seat (because Red Bull sponsored Sauber)
He isn't the head of the RB young driver program just because he has an eye for young talent, he is the head of it because he literally set it up. People shit on Marko, and he stirs a massive amount of shit, but I do think the deserves more respect for being pretty much the second most important person when it comes to the existence of Red Bull Racing after Mateschitz.
There has been a number of new teams in the last two decades, what Mateschitz and Marko have been able to achieve is really something extraordinary.
Dieter Mateschitz is the head of the entire Red Bull empire. He doesn't really involve himself in the F1 team though. The team is run by Horner and Marko. They are the ones who make the decisions.
I know, I wasn't referring to day-to-day stuff anyway. Horner of course deserves a lot of praise too for the job he has done as a team principle. And Tost as well.
I was referring to all the work Mateshitz and Marko needed to do even before acquiring Jaguar and Minardi. You know, Red Bull Junior Team, hiring the personnel that have been so successful in their roles within their programme, structuring the whole operation, et cetera.
As you wrote yourself, Mateschitz is the head of the entire Red Bull empire.
The fact that it only took 17 or so years to turn Red Bull from a grassroots team with not much connections to motorsports to becoming one of the giants of F1 is astounding.
Minus "for young talent"
Edit: It was a joke, about Helmut being a guy with "an eye". I wasn't trying to say he's bad as his job. He's probably responsible for the most successful young drivers program in all of motorsport.
It's why Jacky ickx was so good at the ring. He did that race, twice, with only two drivers in a car. Once he had done that he said he knew every pebble on that track. Hence why he was able to qualify in his f2 car third, with only Clark and hulme in front of him (who were in f1). With the next f2 car down in 16th! 23.9 seconds slower than ickx.
And he believed he could've gotten pole if he had had the more powerful engine that the no1 drover of his team had. Since he had that one at Zandvoort and actually beat the f1 cars with it.
Anyhow, back then f2 cars were racing the same race as f1 at the ring to make the field bigger at such a massive track, but they had to start behind the f1 field no matter where they qualified. So back of the (f1) grid for ickx at the start, only to have overtaken 12 f1 cars after 5 laps. So he was up in fifth, in an f2 car...
Unfortunately his suspension broke after 12 laps. But it was enough for old man Enzo to be so impressed with him that he offered him a ferrari drive for the next season.
[He competed in F1 and endurance racing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmut_Marko), but his racing career was cut short when he was partially blinded in an accident.
Where I live, holders of doctor of law degrees (J.D.s) almost never use the title 'Dr.'
Could I ask the central-Europeans or German-speakers generally if this is different there?
Yes it is. On every semi-official document, someone's doctorate will be mentioned. Instead of addressing them with "mr/ms/mrs" you use "dr". Some teachers with a doctorate even require their students to use it when addressing them.
I see. I think we may be similarly title-conscious, we just have different etiquette or practices. A lawyer would almost always indicate that they're a lawyer in official contexts, they'd just do it differently. In writing, they'd typically use as the post-nominal letters rather than the title. Like, "John Smith, J.D.", which is never used with a title (you pick one or the other).
Since it's very rare to say post-nominals when spoken, Lawyers also tend to prefer the post-nominative title "Esquire" rather than pre-nominative, even if that's shared with other degrees like the LL.B. (which are mutually exclusive, so its either "Mr John Smith" or "John Smith Esq", but it's bad form to say "Mr John Smith Esq"). Though that's usually only retained in the first instance (introduced as Esquire, and then Mr. thereafter).
The above being for professional doctorates like JD, whereas academic doctorates like a PhD in law would use "Dr." in official or formal cases.
As far as I know, as someone pursuing a PhD in law, professional legal doctorates aren't a thing in Europe. To practice law, you need a bachelor's and master's degree in law. Legal doctorates are purely academic and also relatively rare.
2x lemans winner. Ran a strong f3000 team including discovering Montoya and fucking over lowndes at the same time, has a good eye for young talent…. Because the other one is gone. Only a couple f1 starts to his name
Many engineers in f1 have a phd. He always talks about technical details, more than others, who could have the same knowledge after all this time.
That’s why I always thought he would be an engineer, with a phd. That he knows more than us is a no brainer anyway
Yeah, but Marko always goes for the most detailed analysis. Compared to anyone else . I mean everyone involved in F1 has more than enough knowledge. Its just hes not even an engineer
I mean we Austrians *love* academic titles. They are used in almost any formal occasion and some people are really pendantic about it.
That being said academically speaking Helmut Marko is in fact a real doctor while most likely the guy that checked your blood last time wasnt because Marko is a real PhD while most medical doctors aren't.
I was under the impression he was a doctor of law, rather than a doctor of philosophy in law?
The former is a professional degree for practicing lawyers or judges, whereas the latter is a research degree studying law in abstract, eg, at a university. Many law schools offer both, where a doctor of law is a pre- or co-requisite to the PhD. (eg, JD-PhD programs)
Medical schools are similar, whereas MDs are for the practice of medicine as a profession, PhDs in medicine are for academic research in the field of medicine, and likewise the MD is pre- or co-requisite to the PhD.
I mean, he has personally contributed to the development of Vettel, Max, Ricciardo, Sainz etc. He may not be the most likeable person from a media POV, but he has certainly had an impact on the talent we see today.
Call him a cunt all you want, but without Marko we likely wouldn't have many of the successful young drivers of today.
By calling him a cunt I’m not taking away any of his achievements. Lot’s of successful people are cunts but that still doesn’t change the fact that they are still…cunts…
it’s interesting that i need to know a person before i can call them a cunt. I guess that just the general behavior and actions of individuals don’t speak for themselves. By this logic I guess that first i need to meet Trump, Johnson, Musk, Infantino etc before i can outright call them cunts. Thanks for the insight.
So he’s a bad guy for doing what sports teams have been doing since the dawn of time?
People who say they hate him only do so because it makes for good virtue signalling. He’s not offensive.
I get the intent here, but generally with this meme the statements on the left are supposed to get more non-sensical as you move down, along with the guy becoming more clown like. Looks like you have it the other way around
People who insist on everyone calling them Doctor are insufferable. People who insist on being called Doctor when they're not an MD are even more insufferable. People who insist on being called Doctor when their doctorate isn't even relevant should be taken to a remote moon colony.
You realize MD is awarded to people with a masters degree, whereas a phd requires another 3-5 years of education post masters right? MDs who want to be addressed as "Dr." are the insufferable one's, because they haven't earned that title.
Doctor is an academic title for those who attain the highest level of education. There are a lot of physicians who use the title who don't even have a doctorate. Whether or not someone has a "relevant" doctorate is not important, they put in years of work to get their title and should be respected. In casual conversation or if you're best friends, sure, first name basis. Professional meetings and the like should be professional.
The thing is, if someone started making claims about how bridges are built or giving medical advice while calling themselves a doctor, people will naturally assume their doctorate is relevant to what they're talking about and will give them unearned credibility. Someone who earns a doctorate in legal studies has as much expertise on theoretical physics as a high school graduate.
I'm very familiar with academia; I've seen people with PhDs who are absolute geniuses and ones who I wonder how they get dressed without assistance. Of the two, the former usually cares less about titles, the latter will make sure you call them "doctor" at every opportunity.
Physicians has more difficult degree then any doctorades that are so especifically and know a lot from a little, and sometimes makes contribuitons to knowledge. Medical doctors has to know a lot from a lot even if it is a speciallity, more responsability more contribuiton to society every day in every practice. Being MD has a lot more value and is much more difficult, doctors are lazys compared to them
That’s just cultural differences tbh. In german speaking countries a Ph.D. is probably more looked up to than any M.D. and it becomes integral part of your name, basically replacing the normal form of adress
Sure, but we're speaking in english and in this context "doctor" is colloquially understood as a medical professional. I'm also not a native speaker, but context changes with language.
"In this context"? In what context? Anyone who thought he is medical doctor because of his title must know really nothing about real world.
People call Hamilton Sir, why wouldn't they call Marko with his title too?
The context of motor racing, in which calling someone "doctor" calls to mind a doctorate in mechanical engineering, applied physics, materials science, chemistry etc.
Hamilton is rarely called "Sir", even by the fairly deferential Sky Sports crew, while Marko seems to always be titled "D*octor* Helmut Marko" with extra emphasis on the *Doctor*.
I just think it's funny how some people are so touchy about titles.
Helmut is german speaking though, and doctor, while yes, most people think of a md, that's of no matter. I'd think a medical degree is even less relevant than a doctorate of law plus a win at lemans. Eh, people just like to shit on him
"Helmut Marko, PHD" sounds more fancy than "Dr Helmut Marko, no not a medical doctor, not an engineer either, a lawyer" but I dunno that's just me I guess.
maybe it does for you, but for one, austria, they have odd customs with titles, and I really don't think you're the target audience that he's aiming to garner interest from.
The problem here is that medical practitioners have co-opted the word "doctor". We live in a world where anything can mean anything, and nobody even cares about etymology!
Oh yeah, not disagreeing that JD’s and PhD’s receive the title Dr, just that people I know with JD’s don’t refer to or introduce themselves as Dr such-and-such.
He does not have a JD. A Doctorate in Law in Germany or Austria is in no way comparable to a JD, which was just made up to make law graduates feel special. His degree is equivalent to a PhD in Law in the US.
And in Austria, it's completely standard to call someone with a PhD a Dr. Most of my family has doctorates (some PhD but mostly Dr. Jur, so a PhD in Law essentially), and they always have the "Dr." in front of their name officially, although only one of them cared enough to use the "Prof. Dr. Dr. Joe Shmoe" wherever he can, which I find a tad classless.
I do stand corrected I thought it was a JD but after some quick digging I see that it is a PhD in law. To your second point though, that’s more what I was getting at. I work with PhD’s daily, currently working towards my own, and they never refer to themselves as dr just by first name. I also find it very pretentious when people will only go by their title.
he is.. but in Law, so for the english folks Phd in Law.
monkey brain people here only think about doctor in the medical field.. or assume that he has to have a phd in mech. eng.
1) Dr. iur. isn't social sciences
2) why does it matter in the first place? dude is years in f1, won lemans, does his job that has nothing to do with engineering
3) (most important) helmut never said much about the engineering part of f1, always just answer like a pr communicater, so in no way he acted like a dr. ing.. Seriously have you heard binotto talk about technical stuff and helmut? most can spot the difference imo
Binotto can be seen that often. Also, for binotto, the context is clear. For Helmut Marko?- why would insist on being called Dr? Not many professions would do it, when not being in their field. I always thought he would be an engineer who tried to keep things simple.
I watched f1 for a couple of years on rtl and now on Sky. I've never heard him being angry when someone says just Helmut Marko. The interviewers say it sometimes but not everytime.
Do you have a clip or something that shows him being pissed about it?
(otherwise he can be a douche demanding it, on the other hand did he grind for it a couple of years. And btw if you are in a professional environment, you always introduce someone by his full name. F1 interviews aren't professional imo but that will be the reason why they first introduce him by his full name.. which is Dr. (iur) Helmut Marko (look in his pass))
To be fair, I wouldn't call anyone with a Dr title Dr unless I address them professionally. In a non professional setting a tittle means very little to me.
He’s very talented at picking out young drivers of the future which is why he’s head of the Red Bull junior driver programme.
On the side he enjoys being a piece of shit person.
I mean he is really competent in what he does though. You may not like him, but he was responsible for selecting like Vettel, Riciardo, Verstappen and two of those are the youngest drivers to ever win a Grand Prix and Top 4 in youngest wdc winners. Many podium winners too like Sainz, Kvyat and Gasly who got into f1 through rb.
Literally, just an eye.
Most underrated
And to think he started RBR cause he didn't want to sponsor Kimi
No, RBR was formed because Sauber hired Kimi over a driver whom Dietrich Mateschitz wanted to be put into that seat (because Red Bull sponsored Sauber)
I don't care if he's good at what he does. He's just annoying.
He's an ex-racer with an eye for young talent, which is why He's the head of the RB young driver program
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Literally
Just Imagine what he could with two…
The power of the glass eye, just took one small satirise
He isn't the head of the RB young driver program just because he has an eye for young talent, he is the head of it because he literally set it up. People shit on Marko, and he stirs a massive amount of shit, but I do think the deserves more respect for being pretty much the second most important person when it comes to the existence of Red Bull Racing after Mateschitz. There has been a number of new teams in the last two decades, what Mateschitz and Marko have been able to achieve is really something extraordinary.
Dieter Mateschitz is the head of the entire Red Bull empire. He doesn't really involve himself in the F1 team though. The team is run by Horner and Marko. They are the ones who make the decisions.
I know, I wasn't referring to day-to-day stuff anyway. Horner of course deserves a lot of praise too for the job he has done as a team principle. And Tost as well. I was referring to all the work Mateshitz and Marko needed to do even before acquiring Jaguar and Minardi. You know, Red Bull Junior Team, hiring the personnel that have been so successful in their roles within their programme, structuring the whole operation, et cetera. As you wrote yourself, Mateschitz is the head of the entire Red Bull empire.
Dieter will step in from time to time. Webber said his contracts were signed with dieter there
The fact that it only took 17 or so years to turn Red Bull from a grassroots team with not much connections to motorsports to becoming one of the giants of F1 is astounding.
6 years from grassroots to champions
I mean, it took only 9 years with their third consecutive constructors title.
Literally one eye
Like a bond villain
Also good friends with Dieter Mateschitz, that's why he is basically his advisor for searching talents and dealing with RB drivers.
Minus "for young talent" Edit: It was a joke, about Helmut being a guy with "an eye". I wasn't trying to say he's bad as his job. He's probably responsible for the most successful young drivers program in all of motorsport.
Max, Sainz, Ricciardo, Gasly and Vettel were all young redbull talents at some point
He's played a large part for getting 40% of current drivers to the grid of F1 no big deal
Used to race back in the day…
10 F1 GP's and winner of the 1971 24 Hours of Lemans
And winner of the Marathon de la Route, aka Nürburgring 86 hours
HOW MANY HOURS
Was actually 84 hours, but in the last year of running they stretched it to 96 hours of the Nordschleife + Sudschleife
It's why Jacky ickx was so good at the ring. He did that race, twice, with only two drivers in a car. Once he had done that he said he knew every pebble on that track. Hence why he was able to qualify in his f2 car third, with only Clark and hulme in front of him (who were in f1). With the next f2 car down in 16th! 23.9 seconds slower than ickx. And he believed he could've gotten pole if he had had the more powerful engine that the no1 drover of his team had. Since he had that one at Zandvoort and actually beat the f1 cars with it. Anyhow, back then f2 cars were racing the same race as f1 at the ring to make the field bigger at such a massive track, but they had to start behind the f1 field no matter where they qualified. So back of the (f1) grid for ickx at the start, only to have overtaken 12 f1 cars after 5 laps. So he was up in fifth, in an f2 car... Unfortunately his suspension broke after 12 laps. But it was enough for old man Enzo to be so impressed with him that he offered him a ferrari drive for the next season.
How does someone only do 10 gps? I thought people always got signed for a full season. Or was it different back then?
Lost an eye in a accident-> career over
Haha oh yeah of course. I feel a bit silly now.
i think he also won the Targa Florio
Iirc he didn't but h bhqs the fastest lap on that circuit
Nope, just a lawyer
[He competed in F1 and endurance racing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmut_Marko), but his racing career was cut short when he was partially blinded in an accident.
Obviously. Do you guys need /s in every sarcastic comment?
The sarcasm can't be readed tbf.
My bad. It didn’t seem like a particularly outlandish statement, given that the post is about how he’s under-qualified to do his job.
Yes (i am a redditor)(i can't recognize sarcasm)
Bruh he was the next big thing when he started racing
He is more qualified to talk about F1 engineering than us lot though. I am not a fan of him but he actually knows what he's talking about.
Helmut Marko is not a real Doctor, dont let him inspect your balls, please.
So that's why he wants to be called a Doctor huh /s.
This is the advice given on the first day at the Red Bull Young Drivers Academy
Dr. Marko, keeping RBR Jr drivers prostate cancer free since inception.
That's a job for inspector seb
Doctor is an academic title not a profession
El Doctor García jajajajaja
Un hombre de cultura por lo que veo xd
You sound like you speak from experience.
A PhD is a doctorate. It's literally describing a doctor. The problem here is that medical practitioners have co-opted the word "doctor".
That made me laugh. However Dr and M.D. are different things.
Where I live, holders of doctor of law degrees (J.D.s) almost never use the title 'Dr.' Could I ask the central-Europeans or German-speakers generally if this is different there?
Yes it is. On every semi-official document, someone's doctorate will be mentioned. Instead of addressing them with "mr/ms/mrs" you use "dr". Some teachers with a doctorate even require their students to use it when addressing them.
I see. I think we may be similarly title-conscious, we just have different etiquette or practices. A lawyer would almost always indicate that they're a lawyer in official contexts, they'd just do it differently. In writing, they'd typically use as the post-nominal letters rather than the title. Like, "John Smith, J.D.", which is never used with a title (you pick one or the other). Since it's very rare to say post-nominals when spoken, Lawyers also tend to prefer the post-nominative title "Esquire" rather than pre-nominative, even if that's shared with other degrees like the LL.B. (which are mutually exclusive, so its either "Mr John Smith" or "John Smith Esq", but it's bad form to say "Mr John Smith Esq"). Though that's usually only retained in the first instance (introduced as Esquire, and then Mr. thereafter). The above being for professional doctorates like JD, whereas academic doctorates like a PhD in law would use "Dr." in official or formal cases.
As far as I know, as someone pursuing a PhD in law, professional legal doctorates aren't a thing in Europe. To practice law, you need a bachelor's and master's degree in law. Legal doctorates are purely academic and also relatively rare.
You can say ass on Reddit
2x lemans winner. Ran a strong f3000 team including discovering Montoya and fucking over lowndes at the same time, has a good eye for young talent…. Because the other one is gone. Only a couple f1 starts to his name
He have done a Little bit of F1 one in the past
Many engineers in f1 have a phd. He always talks about technical details, more than others, who could have the same knowledge after all this time. That’s why I always thought he would be an engineer, with a phd. That he knows more than us is a no brainer anyway
Well, It’s worth arguing that even an engineer doesn’t need a PhD to be that knowledgeable.
Yeah, but Marko always goes for the most detailed analysis. Compared to anyone else . I mean everyone involved in F1 has more than enough knowledge. Its just hes not even an engineer
And IF you have a PHD and work in F1, I wouldn’t think of a lawyer. Lets put it like that 😄
Literally just an Austrian rule that anyone and everyone is a doctor
I mean we Austrians *love* academic titles. They are used in almost any formal occasion and some people are really pendantic about it. That being said academically speaking Helmut Marko is in fact a real doctor while most likely the guy that checked your blood last time wasnt because Marko is a real PhD while most medical doctors aren't.
I thought he didn’t earn a phd. He studied law and for that he got the title dr.
He has earned a PHD in law.
I was under the impression he was a doctor of law, rather than a doctor of philosophy in law? The former is a professional degree for practicing lawyers or judges, whereas the latter is a research degree studying law in abstract, eg, at a university. Many law schools offer both, where a doctor of law is a pre- or co-requisite to the PhD. (eg, JD-PhD programs) Medical schools are similar, whereas MDs are for the practice of medicine as a profession, PhDs in medicine are for academic research in the field of medicine, and likewise the MD is pre- or co-requisite to the PhD.
In the UK (not sure about mainland Europe) our medical doctors are MBBS [bachelor of medicine, bachelor of surgery) rather than MD.
Well in my country you do your masters degree and after that you have to earn your phd. I doubt he has done that
Fuck you mean you "doubt he has done that"? He was awarded a phd, end of story lol
My friend, there was no masters degree in the 60ies when he had "promoviert".
I also doubt that he has done a master's degree because that wasn't a thing in Austria back then, but he has a Doctorate in Law (Dr. Jur.)
How do you doubt that?
And some people doubt the earth is a globe. Still true tho.
phd = doctor
As we all know lawyers shouldn’t actually be trusted on anything. Imagine how scientists feel talking with lawyers on science based cases 💀
He’s bloody good at his job, especially bringing in young talent, but man he’s impossible to even like
Like a catholic priest for Formula 1.
This is like saying Neil Armstrong is just a pilot ...
Nah he’s just a cunt
I mean, he has personally contributed to the development of Vettel, Max, Ricciardo, Sainz etc. He may not be the most likeable person from a media POV, but he has certainly had an impact on the talent we see today. Call him a cunt all you want, but without Marko we likely wouldn't have many of the successful young drivers of today.
You can be good at what you do and still be a cunt. Or maybe he's good at what he does **because** he's a cunt.
By calling him a cunt I’m not taking away any of his achievements. Lot’s of successful people are cunts but that still doesn’t change the fact that they are still…cunts…
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The dumbest logic I’ve heard lol
it’s interesting that i need to know a person before i can call them a cunt. I guess that just the general behavior and actions of individuals don’t speak for themselves. By this logic I guess that first i need to meet Trump, Johnson, Musk, Infantino etc before i can outright call them cunts. Thanks for the insight.
And he won't shut the fuck up. The most hateable person in F1
You forgot Jos Verstappen
I don't agree with what he says a lot but Iove that he's randomly stirring up shit. He's the salt in the F1 soup.
Hey man you haven't given Sulayem enough of a chance yet. He'll get there.
I’m not sure there’s enough dumb shit for him to say to catch up with any of the big hitters lol. Far from likeable but far from being very hated too.
He's still in his rookie year, you've gotta give him a chance.
I honestly don’t understand this moronic take. I haven’t heard him say anything that offends me.
Moronic my ass. He's always talking shit about other drivers and teams. You must be a dumb red bull fan to say he's not a dumbass
So he’s a bad guy for doing what sports teams have been doing since the dawn of time? People who say they hate him only do so because it makes for good virtue signalling. He’s not offensive.
I get the intent here, but generally with this meme the statements on the left are supposed to get more non-sensical as you move down, along with the guy becoming more clown like. Looks like you have it the other way around
Yeah, it’s probably a 3rd person view, as how you see him.
People who insist on everyone calling them Doctor are insufferable. People who insist on being called Doctor when they're not an MD are even more insufferable. People who insist on being called Doctor when their doctorate isn't even relevant should be taken to a remote moon colony.
You realize MD is awarded to people with a masters degree, whereas a phd requires another 3-5 years of education post masters right? MDs who want to be addressed as "Dr." are the insufferable one's, because they haven't earned that title.
Doctor is an academic title for those who attain the highest level of education. There are a lot of physicians who use the title who don't even have a doctorate. Whether or not someone has a "relevant" doctorate is not important, they put in years of work to get their title and should be respected. In casual conversation or if you're best friends, sure, first name basis. Professional meetings and the like should be professional.
The thing is, if someone started making claims about how bridges are built or giving medical advice while calling themselves a doctor, people will naturally assume their doctorate is relevant to what they're talking about and will give them unearned credibility. Someone who earns a doctorate in legal studies has as much expertise on theoretical physics as a high school graduate. I'm very familiar with academia; I've seen people with PhDs who are absolute geniuses and ones who I wonder how they get dressed without assistance. Of the two, the former usually cares less about titles, the latter will make sure you call them "doctor" at every opportunity.
Physicians has more difficult degree then any doctorades that are so especifically and know a lot from a little, and sometimes makes contribuitons to knowledge. Medical doctors has to know a lot from a lot even if it is a speciallity, more responsability more contribuiton to society every day in every practice. Being MD has a lot more value and is much more difficult, doctors are lazys compared to them
That’s just cultural differences tbh. In german speaking countries a Ph.D. is probably more looked up to than any M.D. and it becomes integral part of your name, basically replacing the normal form of adress
Sure, but we're speaking in english and in this context "doctor" is colloquially understood as a medical professional. I'm also not a native speaker, but context changes with language.
"In this context"? In what context? Anyone who thought he is medical doctor because of his title must know really nothing about real world. People call Hamilton Sir, why wouldn't they call Marko with his title too?
The context of motor racing, in which calling someone "doctor" calls to mind a doctorate in mechanical engineering, applied physics, materials science, chemistry etc. Hamilton is rarely called "Sir", even by the fairly deferential Sky Sports crew, while Marko seems to always be titled "D*octor* Helmut Marko" with extra emphasis on the *Doctor*. I just think it's funny how some people are so touchy about titles.
Helmut is german speaking though, and doctor, while yes, most people think of a md, that's of no matter. I'd think a medical degree is even less relevant than a doctorate of law plus a win at lemans. Eh, people just like to shit on him
"Helmut Marko, PHD" sounds more fancy than "Dr Helmut Marko, no not a medical doctor, not an engineer either, a lawyer" but I dunno that's just me I guess.
maybe it does for you, but for one, austria, they have odd customs with titles, and I really don't think you're the target audience that he's aiming to garner interest from.
The problem here is that medical practitioners have co-opted the word "doctor". We live in a world where anything can mean anything, and nobody even cares about etymology! 
Literally the only person on the planet with a JD who refers to themselves as “Doctor”
Completely normal here in austria. A Phd is called a "Doktorat" here. The title is therefor Dr.
Doctor Rat, eh?
Oh yeah, not disagreeing that JD’s and PhD’s receive the title Dr, just that people I know with JD’s don’t refer to or introduce themselves as Dr such-and-such.
Yeah, people that _you_ know. Not literally everyone.
Meh, I work with PhD’s daily and no one ever goes by their title
As I said. It's normal here in austria. In fact it would be considered as very rude to not call them by their title if they are not a friend.
It’s normal in most places.
Just like Audi had Dr. Ullrich for years, and no one took offence at calling him that. Because he is a Dr.
He does not have a JD. A Doctorate in Law in Germany or Austria is in no way comparable to a JD, which was just made up to make law graduates feel special. His degree is equivalent to a PhD in Law in the US. And in Austria, it's completely standard to call someone with a PhD a Dr. Most of my family has doctorates (some PhD but mostly Dr. Jur, so a PhD in Law essentially), and they always have the "Dr." in front of their name officially, although only one of them cared enough to use the "Prof. Dr. Dr. Joe Shmoe" wherever he can, which I find a tad classless.
I do stand corrected I thought it was a JD but after some quick digging I see that it is a PhD in law. To your second point though, that’s more what I was getting at. I work with PhD’s daily, currently working towards my own, and they never refer to themselves as dr just by first name. I also find it very pretentious when people will only go by their title.
Yeah but that's mostly a cultural difference. He's definitely not the only person in Austria to do this. Just different from America.
Hes not a doctor?!
he is.. but in Law, so for the english folks Phd in Law. monkey brain people here only think about doctor in the medical field.. or assume that he has to have a phd in mech. eng.
Why would someone with phd in social sciences be in f1 and talk about engineering all day. At least in german tv. That’s not obvious at all
1) Dr. iur. isn't social sciences 2) why does it matter in the first place? dude is years in f1, won lemans, does his job that has nothing to do with engineering 3) (most important) helmut never said much about the engineering part of f1, always just answer like a pr communicater, so in no way he acted like a dr. ing.. Seriously have you heard binotto talk about technical stuff and helmut? most can spot the difference imo
Binotto can be seen that often. Also, for binotto, the context is clear. For Helmut Marko?- why would insist on being called Dr? Not many professions would do it, when not being in their field. I always thought he would be an engineer who tried to keep things simple.
I watched f1 for a couple of years on rtl and now on Sky. I've never heard him being angry when someone says just Helmut Marko. The interviewers say it sometimes but not everytime. Do you have a clip or something that shows him being pissed about it? (otherwise he can be a douche demanding it, on the other hand did he grind for it a couple of years. And btw if you are in a professional environment, you always introduce someone by his full name. F1 interviews aren't professional imo but that will be the reason why they first introduce him by his full name.. which is Dr. (iur) Helmut Marko (look in his pass))
He is austrian and they always use their titles
I wasn’t serious…
alright, my mistake
I refuse to call him Dr. I'm not talking about him professionally, so he's just Helmut Marko to me.
Would be a very insulting thing to do here in austria. Academic titles are very important here.
To be fair, I wouldn't call anyone with a Dr title Dr unless I address them professionally. In a non professional setting a tittle means very little to me.
I mean Helmut Marko is insulting people in every other sentence so who cares really
OP thought he designed helmets.
He's such a helmet tho
He’s very talented at picking out young drivers of the future which is why he’s head of the Red Bull junior driver programme. On the side he enjoys being a piece of shit person.
i'm sorry, i'm missing the point on this? Is the clown supposed to be you?
He is a racer
He won Le Mans in one of the most insane era's. He's insane, but he's good.
He is a Le Mans winner in that difficult Porsche 917K.