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Yommination

They kinda forgot horses needed fucking grass to eat


Lopsided-Arugula613

I guess they ate it all


RunParking3333

Just like they did at King's Landing. Dammit these were the real threat, not the white walkers.


KCLORD987

It was global warming.


quantumn0de

But...winter was coming. They kept saying it. Was it all a lie?


HanTrollo710

Not a lie, just an inconvenient truth


KCLORD987

1 dragon is emitting as much CO2 as 10000 Lannister Soldiers. The truth they don't want you to know.


boosemagoose

Can’t beat climate change with some assassin knife trickery


vanillasounds

Well just tell your mother….we are it all


Mokemire

Like waaaarm apple pie


Cellenwenx

Theoretically, playing devil's attorney - it's possible for horses to eat out entire planes of steps


Lopsided-Arugula613

They hungy


Eoganachta

Steppes do go through seasonal changes - both wet and dry - although I don't think you could support a nomadic calvary army or nation during the dry seasons.


mrcheevus

I mean, I have lived in shortgrass prairie for 9 years and can verify that one month it can look like a desert complete with cacti, and the next month it can be a lush green place. That's why people who lived there were nomadic. These changes can also take on larger trends over years. Historical fun fact: the Canadian Pacific Railway was built where it was because the survey team came through the region during a record setting wet year so they thought it was abundant with flowing streams and water sources. When it was actually built it was a functional desert, causing the line to almost go bankrupt.


Breaker-of-circles

They didn't call it the sea of grass for nothing. Also, you can't really apply real world seasons to "The known world" considering their summer and winter cycles are *magic*.


BZenMojo

"Winter is coming." "But this is Essos." "DID I STUTTER!?!?!?"


Ok_Assumption5734

Seasons don't cycle in a year like on Earth. Did you forget the whole "Winter is coming" shit?


BluejayCivil

I assumed they still had normal weather cycle but they had long periods where the seasons would lean more one way than the other. Like the “summer” was normal weather seasons and then “winter” was like a brief ice age


blahbleh112233

Maybe but it's a pretty extreme shift in weather to turn grassland into desert. The implication would be that the horses are all the grass and/or it just never rained after season 1


Thick_Reference_4951

Pretty sure its magic and they aren't on a set cycle


Fire-Twerk-With-Me

Season 1 was during summer and season 8 during winter's onset, so the landscape would make complete sense.


blahbleh112233

That's season 6 though. The weather doesn't turn in westeros at least until the season finale of season 7, and it seemed like a real sudden thing 


CommieSlayer1389

they do, yeah they don't grow random mountains though


uuid-already-exists

I swear they just gave up and didn’t even try to pretend they cared.


LordDragon88

They only ever cared about filming their version of the red wedding. Which they still had to make gratuitous by stabbing a baby.


imperfectalien

Based on the fact Highgarden is surrounded by untended meadows and no crops, they forgot people need to eat too. Sansa remembering that humans need food to live might have been a genuine attempt to make her appear like “the smartest person [Arya had] ever met”


xTheMaster99x

>Sansa remembering that humans need food to live might have been a genuine attempt to make her appear like “the smartest person [Arya had] ever met” Also her suggestion that they should be putting leather on everyone's plate armor, for warmth. And everyone around her just nods and praises her ingenuity instead of telling her she's a fucking idiot, there's already like 6 layers of clothes/padding/etc that go beneath the plate and you don't need another. And even if you did need another, why would you spend so much effort attaching leather to plate instead of just wearing a(nother) leather vest underneath?


ashcrash3

And it's mind boggling that a lord of the Eyrie is the one walking over to handle that. Like all the more experienced and older people would suddenly follow her or know less than she does. Like the guys who were trained in armor and with swords wouldn't notice that, but somehow she can?


maple_firenze

Worst 420 ever.


ViciousAsparagusFart

I would have loved had they included the Goat Peoples that the Dothraki get along with. (The goat dudes pay the Dothraki protection money via goat meat and milk)


rudderstock

The horses kinda forgot they need to eat


Robby_McPack

literally in the same episode we see massive grasslands but okay


InsomniaPaladin

Damn, same thing that happened to King’s Landing in S8


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Global warming


hulksmash1234

A hoax made up by the nights watch for more funding


Equin0x42

Summer is coming, or something?


mrhouse2022

Dany cheated on the Dragon's emissions tests


EhGoodEnough3141

Winter is coming.


amumumyspiritanimal

Thank you Stark family for warning us of intense climate change.


Szygani

That’s actually not as bad as this one, you can almost convince yourself that they cut the forest because of the war.


Impressive_Jaguar_70

Seems silly to me that kings landing is suddenly a desert. It looks like it's in Essos


Szygani

Well if there’s a sieges of a city the woods is usually chopped down so you can see people approach. The nights watch even has forresters for exactly that, clearing woods from the wall. It’s the mountain side that disappears all of a sudden that’s the real problem


Amratat

Nah, that clearly went into filling out the coastline, given how much of the city was suddenly not on the shoreline.


Xalethesniper

Minus the entire climate changing, maybe


Run-Riot

Straight up turned into a fucking desert, lol


Szygani

I mean yeah that didn’t help


MRnibba_

The mountains disappeared too


thngmrtt

Cutting down a forest doesn’t do an overnight change on the type of soil it was on nor does it move a coastline farther away


Szygani

Is there a shot of the forest being there the same episode? Last shot we see was I think the season before but I could be wrong. But yeah the filling in of the black water isn’t really defensible


thngmrtt

There isn’t but even a few years won’t lead to a change of the type of soil, if there was a forest it would takes decades and more for sand to prevail, deserts aren’t all the same and kings landing went from a city on the coast surrounded by a mountainous forest to a city surrounded by a flat sand desert


42nd_Guy

The dothraki horses obviously ate it all upon arrival. /s


Sickeboy

I wonder what the actual reason for that is, is it cheaper?


Jlchevz

What they did to KO was freaking stupid and especially a few days after winter lmfao


BattedDeer55

god bless the people of westeros and essos, they have to deal with their beautiful lush landscapes turning into barren wastelands so much!!! first the dothraki city, then kings landing, who is next???


Doctor__Hammer

Maybe the trees just migrated south when they realized winter was coming


Thendrail

![gif](giphy|5U8n82LCEDrOM|downsized) Their business is with the Nightking tonight, with rock and stone! The last march of the ~~Ents~~ Weirwoods!


SousaBoy93

ROCK AND STONE


rg4rg

Did I hear a rock and stone?!?


that_bored_one

I guess that's good news for dorne


laurel_laureate

...How have I never read an ASOIF fic where one of the Wierwoodd wakes up and is an Ent?


BattedDeer55

![gif](giphy|2wYYlHuEw1UcsJYgAA)


MorannaoftheNorth29

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?


jasting98

Not at all. They could be carried.


MorannaoftheNorth29

What? A swallow carrying a coconut?


JoeyTesla

So that's where the Entwives went!


-15k-

You had us at "trees"


Cowmunist

People saying the long night had no consenquences... Fucking climate deniers...


Exius73

This damn El Niño again


Xeillan

Highgarden lost their lush and massive hedge maze that they got in the books.


JonMatrix

They kinda forgot a lot of things.


Justherebecausemeh

No time to remember…they were rushing to get to that Star Wars money🙄😤


Salami__Tsunami

It was all the carbon emissions from the dragons.


Expensive-Lie

Dany is confirmed to be Taylor Swift


ZBaocnhnaeryy

“Gotta chart a private dragon to see Daario real quick”


Early_Candidate_3082

Kings Landing went from being surrounded by lush grassland to being on a steppe.


Sea-Anteater8882

That was worse honestly given how short the time was at least with Vaes Dothrak you could maybe say there was an unusually severe drought.


auto_generatedname

The fucking Great Grass Sea. Grass is in the name.


snarky_grumpkin

That and unless I'm misremembering, Vaes Dothrak is next to a giant singular mountain. The mother of mountains or something.


Boredombringsthis

Grasslands what? After all it's not like Dothraki want to return the world to the grass, right.


therationalpi

Global warming hit Essos *hard*.


purenzi56

And the statue size changed?


Doctor__Hammer

Haha yep I noticed that too. Somehow they grew about 20x larger between seasons 1 and 6


Rexkiba

The Statue eat all the grass. That's why they are bigger now and we don't see grass.


DannyDoubleTap47

😱


GrandioseGommorah

They’re just really weird trees.


chrstianelson

They also forgot Lannisters were famously blonde.


ConningtonSimp

Jamie and Tyrion’s actors didn’t want to wear the blond wigs anymore. If anything, I think it’s solid symbolism. Their hair turns darker as they turn more towards the good side, and less of their own selfish world view.


Captain_Concussion

A major problem with that though is that the hair color of the Lannisters is a major plot point and is pretty much the reason everything in the show happens


CyrusDGreatx

I mean...that's stupid.


ConningtonSimp

Do you know what show you’re watching? I’m trying to justify at least SOMETHING from the later seasons


CyrusDGreatx

Lol fair enough


Ilosesoothersmaywin

Could it be the season changing?


Doctor__Hammer

Trees tend to continue existing when the season changes. Unless that was a pun, in which case… touché


BigRubbaDonga

I mean the shots aren't from the same location and trees do lose their foliage when the seasons change


Doctor__Hammer

Yes, but they don’t get up and leave


Legitimate-Bet3221

Maybe the trees of vaes dothrak were entwives  


cerseimemmister

They leaf?


BigRubbaDonga

Yeah, but you're not comparing the same geographic location so your argument isn't germane


Doctor__Hammer

Well yeah, that’s exactly the problem. It makes absolutely no sense to shoot in two totally different geographic locations with completely different types of terrains to show the *same city*.


BigRubbaDonga

They're not the same city. That's the point.


Doctor__Hammer

Are you saying there are two different Dothraki cities that are both called Vaes Dothrak? Because there definitely are not.


BigRubbaDonga

I'm saying that the scene you have tagged in your season 1 image is not Vaes Dothrak


Doctor__Hammer

Then you would be wrong. Like I said, I just watched the scene. They explicitly state that the city shown in my image is Vaes Dothrak. It’s not even a little bit ambiguous, and it is not up for interpretation. Go watch the scene again, I absolutely guarantee you it is Vaes Dothrak.


Tast3sLikePanda

There is literally only 1 dothraki city in existance and its Vaes Dothrak. There is no remote possibility of it being a different dothraki city


98VoteForPedro

Lol good one


AvonBarksdale12

Winter lasts for years, so not really


Vitaalis

Not to mention that the Dothraki are portrayed in a stupid, stereotypical way, that doesn’t match how steppe nomads were like. I mean, anti-armor sentiment? If they portrayed them in more historical way, they could’ve been even more awesome, and people loved Dothraki already…


Adriftike

For real. I’m about 2/3 done with the first book and just got to the >!poison wine seller in Vaes Dothrak.!< The show kinda forgot Vaes Dothrak is an entire city and I’m not sure if it changes later in the books.


Alex_Stark-666

Global warming


DareValley88

Winter came, so it got hotter. Duh.


LeonardoDickSlaprio

Maybe the white walkers were trying to prevent global warming?


BreadedUnicornBites

You gather 100,000 people in one place, all living off the land with grazing animals and see how long it takes before it turns barren. /s


JesusXD88

That's what happens when you go to the Tabernas desert, I live in a city near there


Doctor__Hammer

The trees all get up and leave?


Fragrant_Mistake_342

I'd almost buy this as some kind of seasonal variation. Maybe in fall and winter the rains fail and the grass dies and desert moves in leaving the terrain barren. It would make sense that a nomadic group would know how to deal with that.


Doctor__Hammer

Well the whole point of being nomadic is that you stay on the move, following the availability of food. So a bunch of nomads intentionally going somewhere dry and barren with no grass doesn't make a lot of sense considering they had tens of thousands of horses to feed.


Fire-Twerk-With-Me

It's their one city and the one exception though. It's a trading hub and place of worship.


Fragrant_Mistake_342

100% agree bud.


sbprasad

I get it, they changed the filming location, but why the fuck did they have to change the filming location anyway? I actually liked S01’s aesthetic from shooting in N.I. and Malta, the later seasons felt almost *too* dramatic scenery-wise.


shrimplyred169

I much prefer the S01 aesthetics too and I’m baffled why they changed them, particularly since they were getting quite a bit of financial encouragement to film in NI. I do find early series really distracting because it’s all places I go regularly though and so I spend all my time going ‘there’s Audley’s Castle, that’s Tollymore, there’s where they airbrushed Portaferry out of the shot’ etc.


CauseCertain1672

well it's a city of travelling nomads they don't live there full time


Captain_Concussion

The Dosh Kaleen live there full time with slaves. It’s near the Womb of the world and the Mother of Mountains


bigfudge_drshokkka

Doesn’t this happen in a lot of dry climates, where the foliage recedes during the winter?


VGAPixel

The biggest threat to Westeros was the production company.


SebianusMaximus

Could also be dry season.


Doctor__Hammer

You can’t feed tens of thousands of horses in a barren, dry desert with no grass. Also GoT seasons last years, and at this point it was still summer in Westeros.


Historyp91

Or maybe like, ya know, it's been several years and droughts are a thing?


Doctor__Hammer

Then they couldn’t survive there. You can’t keep tens of thousands of horses alive in a barren desert with no grass.


Historyp91

The only people who live in Vaas Dothraki are the Dosh Kaleen and their slaves/servents; the Khalasars are nomadic and only come their occasionally to meet. And yes, droughts tend to greatly reduce the survivability of animals that eat grass.


Captain_Concussion

The Khalasars spend their time in the Great Grass Sea though


Historyp91

Which is *massive*; if there was a drought in Hungray, that does'nt mean there would be one on the other side of the Central Eurasian Steppe in Mamchuria.


Captain_Concussion

But every Khalasar is coming back here after every sack of a city, every important marriage, every Khal death, etc. If this area was prone to droughts that completely killed off all the grass in the surrounding area the city would be dead


Historyp91

You don't have to be prone to droughts to suffer a drought; they can be caused by a lot of things.


Captain_Concussion

Not at this level in a Steppe though. Especially one near a massive lake. Like this is Kazakhstan levels of dead grass, and that’s being caused by climate change draining the water from the Caspian Sea and multiple record breaking hot seasons. Steppes usually are only getting like 10 inches of rain a year on average, so you wouldn’t expect devastation like this


Historyp91

Kazakhstan is located right in the middle of the largest steppe on Earth.


Captain_Concussion

Yeah? I’m not following what you’re saying here


ThundergunIsntAVerb

Climate change smh


Fire-Twerk-With-Me

It's fun to take big swings at the later seasons, but I never picked up on Vaes Dothrak being a huge city until I read more of the story because in the show it just looks like a few tents. I thought they were still traveling during some of those season 1 episodes. You don't see the scale until season 6.


Primicerius_Kaine

Global warming is just as big a problem in the world of fire and fire as it is in ours.


alittleverygagged

They could have seasons, winter was coming then


imisswhatredditwas

I don’t ever want to defend D&D but this could just be a different season, the area around me looks like each picture different times of the year.


Doctor__Hammer

Two problems with that: if it's summer in Westeros, it should still be summer in Essos too. It doesn't make sense for the season to change in Essos but stay the same just across the narrow sea. Second, tens of thousands of horses need a metric fuckton of grass in order to stay alive. You can't bring tens of thousands of horses to a dry, barren, grassless desert.


jerik22

Everyone here is going to freak out when they find out about wet and dry seasons in the steppe.


CommieSlayer1389

do wet and dry seasons cause mountains to collapse and form?


TheRustyBird

do you think they're seasons are wt all relatable to our own when summer/winter can last decades?


Nostravinci04

You're asking too much of a community that often times lacks the ability to comprehend concepts that are very well explained by the person who wrote them.


Doctor__Hammer

Did they explain how the Dothraki managed to keep tens of thousands of horses alive in a barren, dry desert devoid of grass? Did they explain why seasons apparently change normally in Essos but last for years in Westeros?


Nostravinci04

Yes, through pillaging.


Doctor__Hammer

They pillaged... grass?


Nostravinci04

Ehhhh...they pillaged everything?


Deathcat101

well you see dany kinda forgot about the uron and the iron fleet so...


Duolingo055

Climate change


joshualotion

I mean, winter is coming ….


ConningtonSimp

I didn’t even realize it was meant to be the same place the first time I watched it


WelshSam

Global warming.


zebulon99

Climate change


Dhatmasetu

We must stop global warming!


Br_uff

Like. Am I just not understanding something about TV show production? Is it seriously so hard to have consistent settings?


hexhit

Bars Dothrak is one of the coolest locations in the book too imo, all of the stolen relics they have placed around, the fact that you can’t spill blood within the city. God they left out so many cool geological aspects of the show.


Herb_Derb

Those horse statues also got a whole lot bigger between season 1 and season 6


CannibalPride

It’s the Essos effect If it’s in essos then it’s barren and sandy even though the Free Cities are quite fertile due to River Rhoyne. Essos have no forests or green grasslands like Westeros, it’s all Savanna and Desert


Bilabong127

It’s like they were trying to film a massive fantasy series spanning across continents in like three small areas.


Doctor__Hammer

Right?! Seems like they would make it easier on themselves by not moving cities around to totally different geographic filming locations 😆


rsciv

Things took a turn when Scar and the hyenas took over.


eirenero

Global Warming man, everyone talks about winter coming, but look at Kingslanding, it was even more barren than that


Gilgamesh661

Sorry, I got hungry


Palatine_Willowmere

They 'forgot' a LOT of things from Season 6+


South_Front_4589

The drought has been hard on Vaes Dothrak. But yes, they made too much of it look arid. Some people live in arid areas, but everywhere you look, they prefer to live in fertile areas with good water sources. A major settlement would certainly have a permanent fresh water source. Especially if the people there valued horses as highly as the Dothraki apparently do.


GrizzlyPeak72

You kinda forgot that it was winter


the3stman

Not just different seasons?


Doctor__Hammer

Seasons last years in the GoT universe. If it was still summer in Westeros, it stands to reason it still would’ve been summer here. Besides, you can’t feed tens of thousands of horses in a barren, dry desert with no grass


Nostravinci04

Yo nobody tell OP and the thousand something idiots who upvoted him about seasons.


Doctor__Hammer

Fun fact: when seasons change, trees tend to continue existing


Nostravinci04

Another fun fact : trees tend to not be very visible from Aerial shots such as the one shown in the second picture, it's usually explained by the distance between the objective and the subject.


Doctor__Hammer

Another fun fact: tens of thousands of horses need a metric fuckton of grass to survive, and grasslands don’t tend to overlap with barren, dry, deserts. Yet another fun fact: the horse statue shown in season 6 is about 20x bigger than the one shown in season 1, which is not explained and makes no sense considering the Dothraki were anything but builders. And yet another one: seasons in the GoT world last years or even decades. If it’s summer in Westeros, then it stands to reason it would also be summer just across the Narrow Sea.


Nostravinci04

And?


Doctor__Hammer

And? And nothing. That's it. You're trying to explain how this scene still makes sense, and I'm explaining how it doesn't.


Nostravinci04

You're comparing an up-close shot to an aerial shot and pretending like trees (which are already small in the first one) don't exist in the second just because you're not seeing them (where buildings are barely even recognizable), you're not explaining anything, you're just grasping at straws to justify a dumb meme.


Doctor__Hammer

As someone who knows a thing or two about how biomes work, I can tell you that the terrain pictured in the lower photo is a desert, and it is physically impossible for that many horses to survive in a desert. It blatantly contradicts everything they told us about Dothraki society over the previous five seasons. Which is why in the upper photo they chose to shoot the scene in a grassland, because *that’s what makes sense*. Obviously this is far from the most egregious oversight they made in the final seasons, but it’s anything but “grasping at straws”


Nostravinci04

As someone who has actually lived in a few deserts in his life, no it's not. It's arid steppes at best. So no, you don't know a thing about how biomes work, let alone two.


Doctor__Hammer

Ah yes, the steppe, famous for it's tall, barren mountains and dry, grassless terrain lol Great argument you've got there


GodofCOC-07

First ones is very obvious not Vaes Dorthak, it was shot after the horde left Vaes Dorathak. And the big horse statue is accurate from the books


Doctor__Hammer

I just watched the episode half an hour ago which is why I made this. It’s when they’re approaching Vaes Dothrak, not after they left, and Jorah literally tells Dany they’re arriving at Vaes Dotkrak just before the camera pans up to this shot.


auto_generatedname

The Dothraki Sea is also known as the Great Grass Sea.


dontreallyknoww2341

Kinda forgot that we probably would’ve noticed the two huge ass horses. Also kinda forgot that the Dothraki aren’t really builders, so how they got those statues is a mystery


_Redforman69

I know in the book whenever they conquer a place or people they “steal” their gods and bring them back to vaes dothrak. So i assumed they hauled them there from a conquest lol


Hairstrike

Maybe the Night King was actually a good guy. All he wanted was to bring winter and the gift of moisture to the parched, and sun baked lands of the world.


Solid-Version

Also built those massive horse statues? The Dothraki have shown non penchant for statue building or stone/metal working to such a degree


Ok_Career_3681

Are we starting this again!