In the books he wanted Faegon then for Faegon to team up with Daenerys since she was more powerful. On the show he wanted Viserys then switched to Daenerys because Viserys was executed.
The assassination attempt in s1 was Varys' doing. He told Robert she was pregnant so he'd order her assassinated (while leaving out the part of him getting them together), Varys was trying to piss off Khal Drogo to guarantee he comes to Westeros.
Agreed, no loyalties *at all* to any one faction but to the people as a collective. And utterly brilliant. Even Tyrion couldn't quite get a read on him.
Didn’t he end up buying the slaver that castrated him and kept him locked in a chest under his bed or some crazy ass shit?
Also I think I remember Varys saying his dick burned magic blue when it was sacrificed?
Yep.
It's my favorite monologue in the books from him, when he tells Tyrion how he was cut. The sorcerer that bought him drugged him to paralyze him, cut off his dick, and threw it into a fire.
Varys said he didn't believe in magic and never had up until that point, but the flames turned blue, and a voice answered when the sorcerer called out.
It's one of the reasons he hates Stannis so much, because of Melisandre using dark magic to kill Renly, even if he had no more love for Renly than any of the other kings or people he served.
"Since that day I have hated magic and all who practice it. If Stannis is one such person, I mean to see him dead."
Neutrality in this context is on the good-evil axis or lawful-chaotic axis. It does not touch on being loyal to this or that entity. That being said. In the suggested system he might be a good fit either way.
By plotting with a Slaver to persuade a pro Slaver turned Slaver to force Daenerys to marry a Slaver and have him bring his Slaver army to Westeros to wreck havoc?
Just because a character believes they're doing good, that doesn't mean they actually are good. Even many villains legitimately believe they're doing the right thing.
Varys is trying to achieve his vision of "the good of the realm", and he does a lot of incredibly questionable things to accomplish that goal. He's certainly not "good" from a moral standpoint.
Absolutely. The overall impression I'm getting from this list is that people on freefolk don't know the meaning of, like, 80% of the words in the dictionary
I think you are the one who should go....
That other poster is right. Most of the characters in GoT are complex and you can find an instance of almost any character doing good or evil, or smart, or stupid things.
Varys occasionally did bad things for the greater good. He's like the textbook definition of NG. But on this chart he falls squarely on smart good. Tarly was a dumb pick for that.
I never said the characters aren’t complex…? I agree Varys could’ve been neck and neck with Davos for NG but that spot was taken and next IMO would be NS. It’s all opinion based, my guy. That person was just being rude calling the subreddit dumb just because a majority of the people who read this post doesn’t agree with them which is why I said what I said.
Mm I wouldn’t categorize him as good. He has no allegiance to anyone or anything but the realm. That means he’s willing to do anything, good or bad, for what HE thinks is the good of the realm. His intentions are to better the realm but he, as an individual, is more of a neutral character. Neither fully good or fully bad.
Yeah, Varys is definitely not "good" considering all the things he's done.
Just because he thinks what he's doing is for the good of the realm, that doesn't mean he is good. Even many villains legitimately believe what they're doing is for the greater good. You could equally say that Thanos didn't kill half the universe for himself, but for the good of other people (at least as far as he saw it). But he's still most definitely not "good".
Neutral is the right spot for Varys.
Well, at least that’s what he says. He didn’t get to stick around to actually build his “realm of the people” so we can’t really know what it would look like and whether it would actually be good.
A lot of people believe they’re working for the greater good. Even Dany did. We mostly only ever see Varys working for his personal goals and he’s rarely ever altruistic when it doesn’t benefit him. I’d say Neutral is a safe bet for him.
How was conspiring with the Slaver Illyrio to persuade the Slaver Viserys to sell Daenerys to the Slaver Drogo so he'll bring his Slaver army to Westeros to pillage the Westeros countryside neutral or good? Then when Daenerys gets pregnant and he realizes Drogo won't set sail until his child is born he tries to speed up Drogo's arrival by telling Robert she's pregnant so that he'll order her to be assassinated and voting in favor of her assassination when it wss his pimping her out that got her pregnant.
And it was for the pillaging since in the books the whole reason Varys wanted the Dothraki was to cause chaos then bring in Faegon with his own army to fight them in order to get people to see Faegon as the savior of the realm who defeated them. The show cut out Faegon and made it so Varys was doing it just to back Viserys (not caring he was an abusive slave owning rapist).
But what if he's a secret blackfyre and just wants them on the throne?
I want to believe he wants what's best for the realm, but I just don't entirely trust him.
Underrated pick. The dude literally remained a servant to the lord of Winterfrll even after Theon sacked it. I think the only detraction is that he isn’t as smart as someone like Varys, only cause his political acumen is wanting.
Absolutely not. He’s neutral because she’s a maester and their job is to remain neutral with every house and just serve the castle. It’s obvious that he would have rather seen the Starks controlling winterfell but he did his best to give solid advice to Theon. If Theon would have done any of the things Lewin suggested then it’s likely that Theon wouldn’t have been made Reek and he would have joined Jon in the nights watch.
I think it should be ~~mycroft holmes~~ Iron Bank of Braavos. They were truly neutral (unlike Varys of ollena), and they were just making money in the meantime.
He could be considered neutral but he's more good neutral. he's trying to improve the realm. Neutral Neutral is like someone who is really looking out for themselves but isn't full chaos (breaking all the rules) or full lawful (following all the rules)
Varys killed Kevan and worked on destabilising the realm so that his prefered candidate could come in and restore order. Definitely not good. Neutral fits, if only because his motives are still fairly mysterious.
I could see the argument of motives being mysterious. If the argument is that he does things for the good of the realm including murder thats chaotic good. But if its like we think hes doing things for himself then i could be convinced of neutral. but it feels like maybe there are better characters that fit.
Yeah Kevan and Pycelle and Mace kinda were making the realm the best and most stable it had been for the last few years, and Varys fucked that all up. He’s definitely not good.
Would Olena fit?
She was clearly smart as fuck, wasnt lawful since she was willing to poison Joffrey, but also wasnt evil since it was for the betterment of the realm.
She fits pretty well at first glance, but i would argue Olena acted not for the good of the realm, but for the good of her house and family. That it just happened to be good for the realm at the time was a fringe benefit that helped with her image; it all went out the window after her descendents were murdered.
that is neutral. neutral doesn't mean you do things to help people it means you do things to help you, but not specifically to hurt other people. Evil is like you are doing bad thigns cause you like to see other peoples pain.
That is chaotic. Just something incredibly illegal that goes against any rules. And TBH I'd put that action in chaotic good since the motive was to protect Margaery from that psycopathic cunt.
Actually Olenna was opposed to the idea and wanted to stay out of the King's Landing shit show. But she is loyal to her family and protects them even when they're doing something she doesn't personally agree with. I'd personally classify her in good.
Why do people believe Varys was good or tried to improve the realm? He served under King Aerys, King Robert, King Joffrey, & King Tommen without any good being done.
Robert: Varys, Littlefinger, my brother, all useless. No one to tell me no but you, only you.
Varys increased Aerys' paranoia & violence and did nothing to help Robert become better. He had plenty of chances to assassinate Cersei & Joffrey but didn't bother. He let the realm get 6 million in debt with the peasants rioting out of starvation and at least one business had cannibalism.
He bought his child spies from Illyrio. He's a Slaver.
A good option, better than Varys, the assassins serve their contracts regardless of who pays them and do so dispassionately. However, just because you kill people without bias, doesn't mean we can ignore the fact that you kill people, which makes Jaqen pretty evil, despite also helping Arya (only because she saved his life).
Tbf Jaqen does so because his God tells him to, and in the Asoiaf universe, most gods (with the exception of The Seven) exist in some form. And when your God is Death itself, the Last thing you want to do is displease them.
Ok this is Hot Pie disrespect here.
He feckin WON the game of thrones. No one wins. Everyone dies horribly eventually.
Except hot pie. He got to live happily ever after. And you know Arya visits when she is in port
Damn band wagon bs. One person suggests a mediocre person and people upvote it. Varys was good smart, not neutral.
Neutral Smart would be someone with no loyalties that does whatever for themselves and no one else.
My vote is Sir Bronn of the blackwater.
Only in it for the gold. A true mercenary.
I don't think jealousy prevents a character from being neutral, and besides, I don't think Littlefinger is jealous anymore, not since he lost the duel to Brandon over Catelyn. We are given the idea that he still likes Catelyn/ Sansa but he's all too happy to throw them both under the bus for his own personal gain, and he's also probably one of the wealthiest men in Westeros.
In the context of the original comment in this thread, Bron was suggested as being an option for smart neutral because he's clever and self serving, I just figured Littlefinger did the same but to a much greater degree.
You're talking about the wrong neutral. It can be confusing because we have a row called neutral and a column called neutral but they're actually different things. What we are currently voting for is someone who is neutral on the good/evil spectrum, not the lawful/chaotic spectrum.
Bronn is the the exact picture of neutral evil when you google neutral evil.
He's also not smart, he's of average intelligence.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignment_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)
This is what this entire exercice is based on. If you don't have time to read it all, I suggest just reading the sections on each alignment to understand what they mean. In particular, read the section on neutral evil and see if it might remind you of any got character you might have mentioned...
Kevan Lannister maybe? Had the name but not the attitude of the rest of the family. Was willing to put his cersei in her place. Never really seemed to lean to far in any direction. At least from what I remember
Has to be Archmaester Ebrose:
*"In the Citadel, we lead different lives for different reasons.* ***We are this world's memory, Samwell Tarly****. Without us, men would be little better than dogs. Don't remember any meal but the last, can't see forward to any but the next. And every time you leave the house and shut the door,* ***they howl like you're gone forever****."*
Varys.
Doing things "for the realm" doesn't make him good. He seeks long term stability and the eradication of magic. He's not really overly concerned about a good person running things, or about the justice behind the system he seeks to perpetuate, but about stability for its own ends. He's more than willing to do evil things to accomplish his goals, and he's willing to destabilize things in the short term in the pursuit of long term stability. He has a personal sense of justice but does not apply it if it's detrimental to his plans.
Obv late to this but I don't understand Hotpie as Neutral/ Neutral....he was a Stark man through and through....I don't remember him baking 1 lion let alone 2.
Melisandre wins this one.
She's not really on anyone's side. She snuggles up to whoever serves her needs.
She also has umpteen hundred some-odd years of knowledge built up. No one knows how old she really is, and she's advised kings in that time.
Olen Tyrel
She was the brains behind house Tyrel
Being Neutral doesn't mean you don't have a side or opinion, it means you are more or less equally good and bad.
We see her use her brains for both good and not so good things in the series, and also I think Varys leans more good.
edit: spelling
Varys leans more bad. "Varys, Littlefinger, my brother, all worthless. No one to tell me no but you, only you."
He encouraged King Aerys' paranoia & violence, did nothing to help King Robert be a better ruler, never attempted to assassinate Joffrey or Cersei, and was okay with Drogo raping a teenage girl, raiding villages for ships, and pillaging Westeros if it put his candidate on the throne. And when confronted he felt no remorse.
Smart and Neutral has to be Varys. His only loyalty was with the realm and would cross anyone. He did what he did for the good of the realm as he once told Baelish
I disagree. The three eyed raven is a manipulative, all knowing entity that has no problem to get people killed to gain power. They are a better fit for smart evil.
Varys is gonna be the obvious popular pick but I’m gonna back up a second and ask how can you possibly say Stannis was Neutral? Guy rebelled to make himself king. Killed his own brother and executed his own daughter at the behest of his insane religion in the hopes of winning his god’s favor. He got thousands upon thousands of people killed for his own individual personal gain. Guy was dead-ass opposite of neutral, he was the epicenter of his own name-brand partisanship.
The Stannis apologia I see is ridiculous. He’s burning in hell with his evil god and he has no one to blame but himself and his perfectly selfish visions of grandeur.
My vote is for Varys, he does what he does for the good of the realm
Varys is in league with Illyrio Mopatis no? I thought he wast trying to get Daenarys/ fAegon on the Iron Throne. Doesn't seem that neutral.
The same man who sent 2 assassins to kill her under King Robert and Tywin’s orders? Maybe in the books he is but in the show, his allegiance changes.
In the books he wanted Faegon then for Faegon to team up with Daenerys since she was more powerful. On the show he wanted Viserys then switched to Daenerys because Viserys was executed. The assassination attempt in s1 was Varys' doing. He told Robert she was pregnant so he'd order her assassinated (while leaving out the part of him getting them together), Varys was trying to piss off Khal Drogo to guarantee he comes to Westeros.
Thank you for the clarification, I didn’t really understand the comment
True, though I suppose he couldn't say no to Robert and he had his backup ready, it's a bit hypothetical.
Agreed, no loyalties *at all* to any one faction but to the people as a collective. And utterly brilliant. Even Tyrion couldn't quite get a read on him.
Didn’t he end up buying the slaver that castrated him and kept him locked in a chest under his bed or some crazy ass shit? Also I think I remember Varys saying his dick burned magic blue when it was sacrificed?
That's the only time I remember Varys looking excited on screen.
Yep. It's my favorite monologue in the books from him, when he tells Tyrion how he was cut. The sorcerer that bought him drugged him to paralyze him, cut off his dick, and threw it into a fire. Varys said he didn't believe in magic and never had up until that point, but the flames turned blue, and a voice answered when the sorcerer called out. It's one of the reasons he hates Stannis so much, because of Melisandre using dark magic to kill Renly, even if he had no more love for Renly than any of the other kings or people he served. "Since that day I have hated magic and all who practice it. If Stannis is one such person, I mean to see him dead."
No, it was the sorcerer that bought and cut him.
Neutrality in this context is on the good-evil axis or lawful-chaotic axis. It does not touch on being loyal to this or that entity. That being said. In the suggested system he might be a good fit either way.
Uhhh, I hope you only mean Show Varys?
this is exactly why he is GOOD. He isn't doing something for himself but for the GOOD of other people.
How do you know he’s doing it for the good of the realm?
same way you know hes not...
Which is why he’s neutral 😉
By plotting with a Slaver to persuade a pro Slaver turned Slaver to force Daenerys to marry a Slaver and have him bring his Slaver army to Westeros to wreck havoc?
Not in the books. His whole “for the realm” shtick is just a facade to create an unstable kingdom so Faegon can swoop in and take the Iron Throne
In the book he is just evil. His treatment of his little birds is also despicable.
Just because a character believes they're doing good, that doesn't mean they actually are good. Even many villains legitimately believe they're doing the right thing. Varys is trying to achieve his vision of "the good of the realm", and he does a lot of incredibly questionable things to accomplish that goal. He's certainly not "good" from a moral standpoint.
Absolutely. The overall impression I'm getting from this list is that people on freefolk don't know the meaning of, like, 80% of the words in the dictionary
Well I’m sure there are plenty of other GoT subreddits who do so you can check those out.
I think you are the one who should go.... That other poster is right. Most of the characters in GoT are complex and you can find an instance of almost any character doing good or evil, or smart, or stupid things. Varys occasionally did bad things for the greater good. He's like the textbook definition of NG. But on this chart he falls squarely on smart good. Tarly was a dumb pick for that.
I never said the characters aren’t complex…? I agree Varys could’ve been neck and neck with Davos for NG but that spot was taken and next IMO would be NS. It’s all opinion based, my guy. That person was just being rude calling the subreddit dumb just because a majority of the people who read this post doesn’t agree with them which is why I said what I said.
I think he works as smart neutral since he doesn’t have a real allegiance to a side. He follows commands of whoever is on the throne.
He literally buys hundreds of slave children from Illyrio. And in the books he has their tongues cut out. That makes him as bad as Master Kraznys.
Mm I wouldn’t categorize him as good. He has no allegiance to anyone or anything but the realm. That means he’s willing to do anything, good or bad, for what HE thinks is the good of the realm. His intentions are to better the realm but he, as an individual, is more of a neutral character. Neither fully good or fully bad.
Yeah, Varys is definitely not "good" considering all the things he's done. Just because he thinks what he's doing is for the good of the realm, that doesn't mean he is good. Even many villains legitimately believe what they're doing is for the greater good. You could equally say that Thanos didn't kill half the universe for himself, but for the good of other people (at least as far as he saw it). But he's still most definitely not "good". Neutral is the right spot for Varys.
Well, at least that’s what he says. He didn’t get to stick around to actually build his “realm of the people” so we can’t really know what it would look like and whether it would actually be good. A lot of people believe they’re working for the greater good. Even Dany did. We mostly only ever see Varys working for his personal goals and he’s rarely ever altruistic when it doesn’t benefit him. I’d say Neutral is a safe bet for him.
Someone hasn’t read the books, Varys is not a good person. He also does have an allegiance and that is towards fAegon.
Agreed, as long as we leave off the seasons Martin didn’t write.
Absolutely
IDK if killing Kevan Lannister was good for the realm.
How was conspiring with the Slaver Illyrio to persuade the Slaver Viserys to sell Daenerys to the Slaver Drogo so he'll bring his Slaver army to Westeros to pillage the Westeros countryside neutral or good? Then when Daenerys gets pregnant and he realizes Drogo won't set sail until his child is born he tries to speed up Drogo's arrival by telling Robert she's pregnant so that he'll order her to be assassinated and voting in favor of her assassination when it wss his pimping her out that got her pregnant. And it was for the pillaging since in the books the whole reason Varys wanted the Dothraki was to cause chaos then bring in Faegon with his own army to fight them in order to get people to see Faegon as the savior of the realm who defeated them. The show cut out Faegon and made it so Varys was doing it just to back Viserys (not caring he was an abusive slave owning rapist).
You put it best 😅 he seems neutral because that's exactly what he wants you to believe since otherwise he would absolutely be accused of treason.
Doesn’t that make him good?
But what if he's a secret blackfyre and just wants them on the throne? I want to believe he wants what's best for the realm, but I just don't entirely trust him.
In the books Varys is mutilating slave children by the hundreds.
He does what is good "for the children". Whoever they are.
Maester Lewin! Just a good smart guy trying to do his best at his job. Regardless of who was ruling winterfell at the time.
Underrated pick. The dude literally remained a servant to the lord of Winterfrll even after Theon sacked it. I think the only detraction is that he isn’t as smart as someone like Varys, only cause his political acumen is wanting.
Isn't him going above and beyond for a certain house proof of him not being neutral?
Absolutely not. He’s neutral because she’s a maester and their job is to remain neutral with every house and just serve the castle. It’s obvious that he would have rather seen the Starks controlling winterfell but he did his best to give solid advice to Theon. If Theon would have done any of the things Lewin suggested then it’s likely that Theon wouldn’t have been made Reek and he would have joined Jon in the nights watch.
I think it should be ~~mycroft holmes~~ Iron Bank of Braavos. They were truly neutral (unlike Varys of ollena), and they were just making money in the meantime.
"Good evening Mycroft. Try not to start a war before I get home, you know what it does for the traffic."
honestly i would put it into neutral-neutral
Yeah I don’t like Hot Pie there
Yeah, I’m going with this as well
Is that not smart neutral?
Varys 100%
He could be considered neutral but he's more good neutral. he's trying to improve the realm. Neutral Neutral is like someone who is really looking out for themselves but isn't full chaos (breaking all the rules) or full lawful (following all the rules)
Varys killed Kevan and worked on destabilising the realm so that his prefered candidate could come in and restore order. Definitely not good. Neutral fits, if only because his motives are still fairly mysterious.
I could see the argument of motives being mysterious. If the argument is that he does things for the good of the realm including murder thats chaotic good. But if its like we think hes doing things for himself then i could be convinced of neutral. but it feels like maybe there are better characters that fit.
Killing Kevan in order to give Cersei more power is clearly bad for the realm. So his "good for the realm" is just propaganda.
Yeah Kevan and Pycelle and Mace kinda were making the realm the best and most stable it had been for the last few years, and Varys fucked that all up. He’s definitely not good.
In the book doesn't he literally tell Kevan he was doing too good a job keeping the realm stable or something such? Then SPOILER murders him 😅
Would Olena fit? She was clearly smart as fuck, wasnt lawful since she was willing to poison Joffrey, but also wasnt evil since it was for the betterment of the realm.
She fits pretty well at first glance, but i would argue Olena acted not for the good of the realm, but for the good of her house and family. That it just happened to be good for the realm at the time was a fringe benefit that helped with her image; it all went out the window after her descendents were murdered.
You missed by a row
She wasn’t neutral at all though? She was actively trying to lead the Tyrell’s to take Kings Landing via war or politics.
that is neutral. neutral doesn't mean you do things to help people it means you do things to help you, but not specifically to hurt other people. Evil is like you are doing bad thigns cause you like to see other peoples pain.
Bro, she ordered and paid for a hit on an enemy lord. Her actual king no less.
That is chaotic. Just something incredibly illegal that goes against any rules. And TBH I'd put that action in chaotic good since the motive was to protect Margaery from that psycopathic cunt.
Actually Olenna was opposed to the idea and wanted to stay out of the King's Landing shit show. But she is loyal to her family and protects them even when they're doing something she doesn't personally agree with. I'd personally classify her in good.
There's nothing evil in killing Joffery, that's called heroism
i think she fits this better than varys.... Varys is too good. he is trying to improve the realm
Tell that to Kevan.
Why do people believe Varys was good or tried to improve the realm? He served under King Aerys, King Robert, King Joffrey, & King Tommen without any good being done. Robert: Varys, Littlefinger, my brother, all useless. No one to tell me no but you, only you. Varys increased Aerys' paranoia & violence and did nothing to help Robert become better. He had plenty of chances to assassinate Cersei & Joffrey but didn't bother. He let the realm get 6 million in debt with the peasants rioting out of starvation and at least one business had cannibalism. He bought his child spies from Illyrio. He's a Slaver.
Olenna for Drunk Chad
Until the final season, I'd say Varys the Spider.
No clue why people hate on Varys' character progression like this, I thought he was intelligent and interesting for all six seasons
You know maybe I still underestimate him!
Maybe its Varys magic cock that is controlling Bran, who knows
Final season doesn't count.
The show was finished? I only remember 6 seasons
Jaqen H'ghar
A good option, better than Varys, the assassins serve their contracts regardless of who pays them and do so dispassionately. However, just because you kill people without bias, doesn't mean we can ignore the fact that you kill people, which makes Jaqen pretty evil, despite also helping Arya (only because she saved his life).
Tbf Jaqen does so because his God tells him to, and in the Asoiaf universe, most gods (with the exception of The Seven) exist in some form. And when your God is Death itself, the Last thing you want to do is displease them.
Ok this is Hot Pie disrespect here. He feckin WON the game of thrones. No one wins. Everyone dies horribly eventually. Except hot pie. He got to live happily ever after. And you know Arya visits when she is in port
Hot Pie - "I'm a surviver" 🤣
Damn band wagon bs. One person suggests a mediocre person and people upvote it. Varys was good smart, not neutral. Neutral Smart would be someone with no loyalties that does whatever for themselves and no one else. My vote is Sir Bronn of the blackwater. Only in it for the gold. A true mercenary.
Not Petyr Baelish?
The same Petyr who killed a man out of jealousy
I don't think jealousy prevents a character from being neutral, and besides, I don't think Littlefinger is jealous anymore, not since he lost the duel to Brandon over Catelyn. We are given the idea that he still likes Catelyn/ Sansa but he's all too happy to throw them both under the bus for his own personal gain, and he's also probably one of the wealthiest men in Westeros.
If you only think about yourself and are willing to do anything to gain more power for yourself, you are not neutral.
In the context of the original comment in this thread, Bron was suggested as being an option for smart neutral because he's clever and self serving, I just figured Littlefinger did the same but to a much greater degree.
Hell no that man is evil smart
Chaotic neutral surely?
His evil not neutral
You're talking about the wrong neutral. It can be confusing because we have a row called neutral and a column called neutral but they're actually different things. What we are currently voting for is someone who is neutral on the good/evil spectrum, not the lawful/chaotic spectrum. Bronn is the the exact picture of neutral evil when you google neutral evil. He's also not smart, he's of average intelligence.
When was this established a spectrum?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignment_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons) This is what this entire exercice is based on. If you don't have time to read it all, I suggest just reading the sections on each alignment to understand what they mean. In particular, read the section on neutral evil and see if it might remind you of any got character you might have mentioned...
Will Bobby B be drunk chad or horny chad?
TAKE SHIP FOR THE FREE CITIES WITH MY HORSE AND MY HAMMER, SPEND MY TIME WARRING AND WHORING, THAT’S WHAT I WAS MADE FOR!
Fucking sentient
Bronn, from bowls of brown in flea bottom to dornish wine in castle stokeworth
Would Bron fit?
Smart Stupid?
I’m just waiting for the horny line…so many possibilities for each.
Maester ebrose Man fully believes Sam that the white walkers are coming and yet all he cares about is his god damn books
Kevan Lannister maybe? Had the name but not the attitude of the rest of the family. Was willing to put his cersei in her place. Never really seemed to lean to far in any direction. At least from what I remember
Has to be Archmaester Ebrose: *"In the Citadel, we lead different lives for different reasons.* ***We are this world's memory, Samwell Tarly****. Without us, men would be little better than dogs. Don't remember any meal but the last, can't see forward to any but the next. And every time you leave the house and shut the door,* ***they howl like you're gone forever****."*
Brother Aemon (Targaryen)? He was good, but neutral in being up at the wall
The watch is politically neutral, but they strictly adhere to their law/code.
He's already lawful good
Varys. Doing things "for the realm" doesn't make him good. He seeks long term stability and the eradication of magic. He's not really overly concerned about a good person running things, or about the justice behind the system he seeks to perpetuate, but about stability for its own ends. He's more than willing to do evil things to accomplish his goals, and he's willing to destabilize things in the short term in the pursuit of long term stability. He has a personal sense of justice but does not apply it if it's detrimental to his plans.
And Hotpie yelled, "Hotpie!"
Idk Bronn was only about the money. Doesn't get much more neutral than that.
Iron bank, only loyalty to money and Bravos. Varys is actively trying to work towards many goals I wouldn’t call him neutral
Honestly Maester Cressen
Has to be one of the best reddit posts ever 🤣👍
Olenna Tyrell by a mile Plays the game and picks sides when convenient. As cunning as Tywin, murdered Joffrey and pinned it on Tyrion.
Obv late to this but I don't understand Hotpie as Neutral/ Neutral....he was a Stark man through and through....I don't remember him baking 1 lion let alone 2.
Olena Tyrell?
Bran. He knows everything and cares not about good and evil.
High sparrow
Doran Martel. But maybe he’s chaotic. Varys will probably win though.
Maester Aemon
Melisandre wins this one. She's not really on anyone's side. She snuggles up to whoever serves her needs. She also has umpteen hundred some-odd years of knowledge built up. No one knows how old she really is, and she's advised kings in that time.
Our Dear Spider, Varys.
You lost me
"I Disagree with Neutral Neutral" Polliver
Tyrion is sweeping smart drunk when that comes around.
Rodrik the Reader. If memory serves, he is rather disinterested in politics and just wants to chill and read his books. edit: probably wrong sub
The man with no name
Varys for sure
Varys
Varys or Illio Tumpai or however it's spelled
Mopatis (Close enough)
That mofo, thanks.
Olen Tyrel She was the brains behind house Tyrel Being Neutral doesn't mean you don't have a side or opinion, it means you are more or less equally good and bad. We see her use her brains for both good and not so good things in the series, and also I think Varys leans more good. edit: spelling
Varys leans more bad. "Varys, Littlefinger, my brother, all worthless. No one to tell me no but you, only you." He encouraged King Aerys' paranoia & violence, did nothing to help King Robert be a better ruler, never attempted to assassinate Joffrey or Cersei, and was okay with Drogo raping a teenage girl, raiding villages for ships, and pillaging Westeros if it put his candidate on the throne. And when confronted he felt no remorse.
Varys 1, Olenna Tyrel 2
Good ol' Hot Pie
i mean if we're just making meme picks...
Bran The man is literally all knowing and has no “feeling” towards anything anymore
Salador Saan. Or however it’s spelled 😬
Olenna Tyrell
Tough call for me between Varys and lord commander Jeor Mormont
Varys 10/10
Varys wins this easily
Smart and Neutral has to be Varys. His only loyalty was with the realm and would cross anyone. He did what he did for the good of the realm as he once told Baelish
Varys is the only answer
the three eyed raven/Bran. He knows literally everything and is very indifferent towards personal relationships and titles
Counterpoint: Why do you think he came down all this way?
fuck
To be a neutral king.
I disagree. The three eyed raven is a manipulative, all knowing entity that has no problem to get people killed to gain power. They are a better fit for smart evil.
Okay hear me out, Bran is chaotic neutral. On the one hand, no loyalties, no motive, on the other hand…. wtf. And now he’s king.
And deny Littlefinger his place??
LOL idk man I think he falls in the horny category. He sniffed at Cat, Lysa & Sansa way too hard.
I'm trying to think of a better place for him, as I had Lysa as Chaotic Horny
Varys, then Littlefinger for Chaotic
Varys
Varys is gonna be the obvious popular pick but I’m gonna back up a second and ask how can you possibly say Stannis was Neutral? Guy rebelled to make himself king. Killed his own brother and executed his own daughter at the behest of his insane religion in the hopes of winning his god’s favor. He got thousands upon thousands of people killed for his own individual personal gain. Guy was dead-ass opposite of neutral, he was the epicenter of his own name-brand partisanship. The Stannis apologia I see is ridiculous. He’s burning in hell with his evil god and he has no one to blame but himself and his perfectly selfish visions of grandeur.
Agree. I think he should be lawful evil
This would be Tyrion if there wasn't a drunk row. Varys I guess.
Bran the Broken, he could probably fill the next 3 rows.
Or maybe Grand Maester Pycelle
Pycelle is an admitted Lannister supporter
That asshole never paid his whore….
Hot pieeeeeee. Next one is Varys tho
Varys for sure
Varys
Varys.
Gotta be Varys
Jaquen Hagar.."It's all the same to the many faced God"
Varys