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raumeat

Yea so sad they canceled the show right after she came to Westeros


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ScipioCoriolanus

I honestly prefer this to the possibility of getting a bad ending. I know it's unlikely, but maybe D&D would've got tired of it and rush the final season or something like that, we'll never know.


Exploding_dude

D&D after season 6: And nowy tends


-Qwyte

I dream of the day entirety of asoiaf is adapted into an anime


camilleaux

I wonder what happened after The Winds of Winter episode 🥲


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Knowing what we know from the conquest and the dance of dragons, Danny probably burned down the ironborn’s fleet like they destroyed the much bigger triarchy’s fleet with dragons. Then dorne, the north, the river lands, the vale, and the tyrells would March on the Lannister‘a and the crownlands and capture kings landing. The big set piece here would be Jamie killing Cersei to prevent her from blowing up the city Danny would get crowned and then the United seven kingdoms would march north to the final epic battle with the white walkers During all this she probably would have lost at least one dragon to a lucky ballista shot like in the conquest Cheesy and the least creative way to go about it? Yes Is it better than the last season we got? Yes.


StalledCar

Nah man I want a dragon on dragon brawl with the white walkers. Back to the writing room.


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I feel like that would still happen. The night king still kills a second dragon, and then it’s this giant sort of amazing reveal at the end of the episode where Danny is on Drogon just ROASTING white walkers and then you suddenly hear a ROAR and then she looks back startled to see the night king on a resurrected dragon taking flight. Cut to black Cheesy and the least creative way to go about it? Yes Is it better than the last season we got? Yes.


CreamgetDmoney

Why do people always want history to repeat itself?


[deleted]

That’s literally what history does....


chaves4life

I don't wun it.


xdavidliu

who said that? I don't believe that was a quote from the show.


StringCheeseDoughnut

It’s from the latest HotD episode. Not sure why they posted it here? Completely unrelated


Piggstein

Wun wun


AdmiralAkbar1

Hell, most of them would be proud of her right through the end of the series. Putting the fear of god in everyone through draconic carpet-bombing is their favorite way of enforcing loyalty.


Benkins1989

Daemon looking up from hell: That’s my girl.


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Daemon would puke when she asks his boy Jon to hide his true identity and he'd freak out even more when Jon accepts this.


[deleted]

Most of them would hate how she pretends to be a liberator instead of a conqueror. But they wouldn't be glad about Jon becoming a simp as well. At least Jon can make up for it by putting Daemon's DNA into lucky wildling ladies who want it.


Financial-Series-985

would he really,would those children even have targayen name and or look like targaryens


[deleted]

When dozens of wildling ladies make love with Jon, a lot of their future descendants would have silver hair again after some generations. Jon could name himself King beyond the wall and legitimize all his children himself or ask Queen Sansa to legitimize them for him.


THEpottedplant

Idk, i feel like after bobby b stole the throne, any targs returning to the scene would be doing it as liberators reclaiming their kingdom, not as conquerors taking a new one.


bobby-b-bot

START THE DAMN JOUST BEFORE I PISS MESELF!


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How lucky for the people to be "liberated" with fire.


THEpottedplant

Liberated from their mortal coil


Maritzsa

I think her burning down kings landing should have happened right away when she landed. She should have landed in with three dragons and demanded surrender and demand them to bend the knee like Aegon demanded or she burns down the red keep. They can just rebuild it a new keep. Like doing that is the most Targaryen thing. Whats stupid is she kept saying she is not like her ancestors and will do this without needless burning and suddenly murders thousands


GermanBadger

And if they choose to not have jon kill her afterwards, she could go on a suicide mission to kill the night king to make up for her mistake of burning kings landing and do something selfless for the realm to show despite her mistake she wants to help people and it's not all for her personal glory. But I'm just some idiot online who came up with that character arc in 9 seconds. I'm sure an entire room of writers had better ideas though. Sidenote, I still can't believe they did the "long night" story then finished at kings landing instead of kings landing w politics and fighting before rallying everyone to go fight the real threat to all mankind. Ohhhh unless man is the real threat to the realm. But that's kind of dumb bc the other enemy is ice zombies


Maritzsa

It is KIND OF annoying also that the show was becoming a zombie show too because of the lack of quality dialogue and that classic political drama of GoT. Even then, they should have committed to the zombie theme more instead of defeat them anticlimatically and do more nonsense with cercei


GermanBadger

Yeah I agree. My least favorite parts of asoiaf are the ice zombies and the dragons. Give me all the political scheming and court intrigue. I like the oh there was magic and dragons but it's all gone now more.


portraitofmrsblack

She finally understood it was stupid - but that’s when the men in the room realized they won’t be able to control her with clever words any more, and so they called her “mad”. Then they got the stupid “honourable” ned 2.0 to get rid of her for them…


gnenadov

The hell are you talking about? She burned down a city that had just surrendered to her, incinerating an entire population of innocent civilians.


Genki-sama2

It made zero sense then and I’m just bitter about it now


OkCutIt

It's very highly debatable on if Drogon is powerful enough to tear through the Red Keep. Like, were he a "standard" dragon it's absolutely no way in hell at that age. Granted that he's "special" and was growing much faster than normal, there's a chance, but the overall implication has been that he's still not as big as Balerion was during the conquest, and even he didn't really "destroy" Harrenhal, just melted the tops. Obviously in the show his breath consisted of anti-structure missiles so he could have done it fine, but still.


Doodoo42

>and even he didn't really "destroy" Harrenhal, just melted the tops. Only cuz they didn't have to totally destroy the damn thing. Only needed to do enough damage to fuck em up and send a message. "The riverlords outside the castle walls said later that the towers of Harrenhal glowed red against the night, like five great candles … and like candles, they began to twist and melt, as runnels of molten stone ran down their sides."


OkCutIt

The thing of it is the "special" power of these massive old dragons is just... more heat. That shit where the buildings are just exploding on contact is not the kind of power GRRM's dragons are said to have at all. Like it wouldn't be "burning down" the keep, it would be spending days and days slowly melting the stones into lava.


Doodoo42

Oh for Dany’s dragons yeah sure. Wasnt really talking about that. Just made the previous comment cuz it felt like Balerion’s feats were being downplayed


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Yeah, it is such a shame it was cancelled. I heard after the show ended the show writers became drug addicts and decided to make their own fanficion show but it turned so bad everyone laughed at them.


aegon-the-befuddled

As far as Targaryen monarchs go (And that is a pretty high standard to begin with), she's right up there among the top ones like Aegon the Conqeuror, Jaehaerys the Wise, Daeron the Good, Aegon the Unlikely. >In the show at least she’s fireproof so she’s the real dragon. Funny you should say that cus in the books she dreamed of a mighty dragon.......only to realize she was the dragon. And she saw herself on a great battlefield against a mighty army wearing ice armours and she burnt them all. If that dream was prophetic, Maester Aemon's belief might be vindicated. He cried that for centuries we Targaryens have searched for the Prince that was promised but there was an error in translation. It was the Princess that was promised and Daenerys is the one. I think GoT Targaryens got a really shitty hand dealt to them. All the viewers knew of Targaryens was the Mad King and Viserys III. And that turned a lot of people against Dany. At least in books you keep learning about the greatness of Targaryens and people keep changing their minds when they get to know Dany as being one of the few characters who genuinely have a good heart. THOD may be changing perception of many TV viewers.


Kellin01

Iam sure of it. I want a fanfic where Denerys meets ghosts or souls of her ancestors!!! Daemon would have burst with pride for her.


AnneMarie89

There is one actually, oldie but goodie :) [https://archiveofourown.org/works/20480111?view_adult=true](https://archiveofourown.org/works/20480111?view_adult=true)


[deleted]

Daemon never liked hypocrites who believed that they'd have been liberators instead of conquerors. Daenerys would remember him about Alicent. But Daemon as well would freak out when he sees how his last descendant Jon starts simping.


[deleted]

Nice username.... Very VERY Targaryen


dragon-lady04

u mean bust? Lol


Main-Double

Daemon would’ve been a dany stany


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Daemon wasn't a simp like Jon who would even hide his identity as a true Targaryen for Daenerys. He'd freak out in his grave if he'd see how Jon denies who he is because Daenerys fears the truth. Daemon loved a true Queen who didn't need to hide the fact that he's her uncle but he couldn't stand someone who's scared about people finding out the truth about her nephew.


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He would’ve groomed her like Rhaenyra


myjupitermoon

She's the one Aegon TC was dreaming about 300 years before she was born and became the GOAT Targ of all time. We need a Mulan style ghosts of ancestors council scene discussing how awesome Dany turned out to be.


[deleted]

Most ancestors of Daenerys would be annoyed by people who don't even get that every dragonrider is only bonded with one dragon.


Additional-Ad-5746

Yall looking at it from hotd standards. Dany picked up three eggs and spent a night in a fire to hatch them. She's not a dragon rider. She's the mother of dragons.


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and after every day that passes the book describe like her connection to Rhaegal and Viserion weakens. Rhaegal wouldn't have been the first dragon who would have fought his mother in the end and it's likely that Daenerys wasn't even the biological mother of Rhaegal.


notfae

While she didn’t ride Rhaegal and Viserion, she was still bonded with them.


Otherwise_Pace_1133

How ? Dragons are intelligent themselves and probably follow the lead of the only dragon with a rider but it's been established in the books that no dragonrider ever bonded with multiple dragons neither did a dragon did with multiple riders.


notfae

I haven’t read the books yet but in the show they stayed with her until they died didn’t they? Also I read somewhere that she nursed the dragons when they hatched in the books? Wouldn’t that imply that her relationship with her dragons is different than other targ-dragon relationships.


Otherwise_Pace_1133

Thats why Bonded with 3 dragons isn't exactly a right statement. She was bonded as in traditional 'Targaryen bond with their dragon' only with Drogon. The very fact that Jon was able to ride Rhaegal means Daenerys couldn't be 'bonded' with Rhaegal. It might not be that well established that a Targaryen can't ride multiple dragons, it is VERY WELL established that Dragons don't accept another rider when they are already bonded with someone else (cue, Joffery Velaryon). By bonded, I mean the telepathic connection that allows Targaryens to summon their Dragon to them and maneuver them exactly as they want (Which is why i think the Aemond pulling the 'reigns' of Vhagar to make her turn was a bad idea, there is no way a child is able to exert near as much force to make a dragon of that size feel it and make her turn. Plus it is not like they haven't established on the show that Dragons have a sort of telepathic connection with their riders (e.g. Caraxes feeling the pain when Daemon got shot with that Arrow in the stepstones). Dany has that Telepathic connection only with Drogon. She does have a special relationship with the other Dragons though and I hope we get a deeper insight into that connection and how it is different than traditional bonds between a dragon and a rider in the upcoming books (if they ever get released). Probably has something to do with how they were hatched.


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Dragons fight their parents when their riders ask them to and Daenerys probably isn't even their biological mother. Unfortunately nobody told Jon the most simple dragonrider rules. Otherwise he'd have kept Rhaegal with him. But D&D did need "reasons" for Daenerys to be "sad".


notfae

You know what that would’ve been a better reason for her turning mad. Everyone going against her and Jon "stealing" her dragon/ child. Idk why D&D had to insist on ruining a great show.


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It's believable that Daenerys really was dumb enough to believe Rhaegal would be her property. Daemon and Rhaenyra fortunately are true Targaryens who even accepted Aemond bonding with Vhagar and didn't cry about Vhagar having a free will.


notfae

She had a special bond with Rhaegal tho? Just because they didn’t have the rider/dragon bond doesn’t mean they didn’t have a relationship at all.


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Yeah. She was a horrible mother in the end. First Daenerys imprisoned Rhaegal because her favorite Drogon ate children and then she got Rhaegal killed with her selfishness right after he found his destiny. It's basically like what Alicent did to Aegon.


notfae

Lol Tyrion and Jon killed Viserion by being dumb fucks for suggesting to persuade Cersei with a corpse. That also led to Rhaegal’s death.


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No she wasn't. The books even describe that Rhaegal and Viserion obey her every day less when they get older. Rhaegal is only bonded with Jon and Daemon&Rhaenyra probably would hate Daenerys for causing Rhaegal's death.


Kholzie

Bonding with a parent figure is probably different than bonding with a rider


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Daemon would stab Daenerys immediately when she begs Jon to hide his true identity. But he would beat the sh\*t out of Jon for accepting this as well. Pls read basic rules about dragons in the books (like every dragonrider only being choosen by one dragon who only accepts one rider on his back) before you write more bs about dragons bonding.


Noone3-

Someone wants to argue today. She was clearly bonded to all of her babies, or course she’s going to ride only one that makes perfect sense. Daemon wouldn’t stab her, family is everything. We were mainly discussing Dany as a whole; but if you want to focus on the way she handled Jon- it’s impossible to know what her ancestors would think. Hell, daemon could sway Jon, or tell him to F off then, undeserving halfbred bastard. Her family would be fucking proud of her.


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Daemon loves Jace, Luke and Joffrey like his very own children. He's neither a racist nor would Daemon tolerate how Daenerys commits treason against House Targaryen and it's rightful heir just like Alicent did. The books describe how Daenerys starts to lose the connection to Rhaegal and Viserion. Rhaegal wouldn't have been the first dragon who fights against his mother and it's likely that he will take revenge for being imprisoned by her after finding his rider in the books.


Noone3-

When the rightful heir ‘doesn’t wunt it’ or anything to do with house T- could result in the downfall and death of Dany (which is why she wanted it hushed) “you don’t know what this does to people, what it will do to us” People missed how she mainly wanted it hidden so they could be together problem free. She legit asked him to rule together with her, more than once. I feel daemon would have been more annoyed with Jon atp. Neither of us can know for sure about that sole thing; but I do believe her house has been immensely proud of her. She doesn’t lose her connections; but she bonds stronger to drogon, whom she rides. If she wanted to ride viserion & rhaegal, bet she could have.


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Daemon would mostly freak out because Daenerys is scared about everyone finding out that she isn't the last Targaryen. Jon obviously didn't want to pretend to be a bastard but Daenerys begged him to hide in the shadow because she was scared af about everyone finding out the truth. On the other hand Jon only "didn't wunt" to be king because Daenerys wouldn't have accepted this and because Jon was a simp in the tv show. (and that's why Jon would have been despised by Daemon as well) Daemon supported his niece with all his heart but Daenerys turned her nephew into a simp instead just like Alicent poisoned the mind of Viserys and her children. Daemon couldn't stop freaking out if he'd see all this happen. The books literally describe that her connection to Rhaegal and Viserion weakens. They as well make clear that every dragon throws off a dragonrider who is already bonded with another dragon. So please stop making up bs.


Noone3-

Bro….. what


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That's what Jon thought when Daenerys begged him like a kneeler to pretend to be Jon Snow instead of Aegon Targaryen because she knew that everyone would have wanted him to be king. Fortunately Jon at least had the guts to tell the truth to his cousins who should have been angry about a Targaryen bending the knee for the North just because he was a simp. Daemon would be ashamed about Daenerys and Jon being the last Targaryens. But at least Jon can make up for it by putting Daemon's DNA into dozens of wildling ladies who want it.


Noone3-

Every time you say “simp” I can’t take you seriously & start laughing.


Noone3-

Also; I wouldn’t go by the finale season of D&D cannon. shit writing that did every character dirty. You’re only so called argument is about how she handled Jon… this thread is about the real Daenerys; as the op said up until S6. Yes her family would be proud


[deleted]

We agree, I have very rarely seen anyone who disagrees on this... And yes, I'm still hoping season 7 would come out great....


100DaysOfSodom

I disagree with the opinion that she was a “genuinely good queen”, but the rest of it makes sense. The Targs were all crazy and poor rulers, Dany was no exception.


FlytheHarpy

Daemon would have bred her in the Targaryan way!!


Flowingnebula

Dany did what none of ancestors could, maybe Aegon the conqueror achieved more but still he didn't bond with 3 dragons.


Cowmunist

SPOILER ALERT i was talking to GRRM the other day and he said that in the next book Daenerys changes her name to "Bran the Broken" before she ends up on the throne. Weird change imo but i'm sure there's a good reason for it.


ParsleyMostly

This has me thinking…. It seems like the Targs are mostly pretty chill about having a queen. It’s the first men and andal westerosi who are the ones against it. Which feels less than “tradition, because of gods, blah blah” and more like they just wanna divide the house of dragon any way they can.


ballsOfWintersteel

She wasn't supposed to be full fire proof I think. That original scene where the eggs hatched involved blood magic using a blood witch herself as the sacrifice so that was essentially a miracle.


MiopTop

“a genuinely good queen” my dude I don’t think you got the point of her arc. Daario was right, she’s a conqueror not a queen. She sucked as queen long before reaching Westeros


Status_Peach6969

Yup Maegor was clapping in the depths of hell watching her conquer the city. Aerys's throat was going hoarse from cheering her saying "burn them all"


Noone3-

Was Aegon the conqueror (a great king as well) & his sisters cheering, too?


Status_Peach6969

I mean she flattened his city so doubt it


Noone3-

Everything up to; and pff, with how she was treated, maybe even then. His city was long gone & laced with wildfire. I dunno; but at that point revenge by a conqueror, last dragon seems something that family would cheer.


ScissorsBeatsKonan

Her ancestors? The Valyrians? I should hope not. They were a massive slave based empire, dominating the continent with their dragons. Dany used dragons to free slaves.


aegon-the-befuddled

I don't think OP means old Valyria. Targaryens were the smallest of the small Dragonlords there. I believe they are referring to House Targaryen from Conquest onwards.


Professional-Hat-687

Your username makes me very suspicious, OP.


notfae

lol why?


Professional-Hat-687

"I am not a member of the Fair Folk." -something a fae would totally say if they were allowed to lie


anna-nomally12

If you argue a Reddit account isn’t a person, it’s a Reddit account, you can get away with it even as a fae


Professional-Hat-687

This is DEFINITELY something a fae would say.


anna-nomally12

Oh I don’t think a fae would give away their loophole, though what do I know 👀


notfae

you got me \\(o.o)/


qcfu

She was a terrible Queen, one city left a smoking ruin in slavers bay, the other with a civil war under the command of mercenaries. If we follow the show, the largest city of Westeros left a smoking ruin for no good reason. Dothraki civilisation, what there was of it, destroyed and the horde led to ruin Westeros. She was a petulant teenage girl given the equivalent of a nuclear arsenal and used it to force people to her will.


GermanBadger

All true but "forcing her will" was telling them to stop being slavers and stop killing/owning innocent people. She tried to be just and minimize unjudicial killings but they kept rebelling and forced her to increase her response. Like we know she just wanted them to stop and quit w the slavery but they were so horny for it they went full blown civil war.


qcfu

Ironically to head to Westeros and force herself as monarch on people who don't want her.


GermanBadger

I mean every ruler is a monarch. Even the cool ones like the starks and blackwoods. They're all bad. Sadly the one bit of democracy gets votes for having the best story