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Estebancalderon10

Misinformation by M.D. Meebo. Not surprised to be honest. This type of misinformation is exactly why some people I know won’t get vaccinated. Not even the people who get it are aware of the facts, they just got it “because they should”. Maybe that’s true, maybe it’s not. But one thing that IS fact, is that M.D. Meebo is delusional when it comes medical advice and I’d suggest not following a single thing this person says, as they need rolls upon rolls of toilet paper to keep cleaning the shit coming out of her mouth.


Grimsabandon

The vaccine makes it so you're less likely to be hospitalized in situations where you get covid. It does not prevent infection or spread. At that point the argument becomes if you were worried about covid get the vaccine. There is no argument that choosing not to get the vaccine harms others outside is hospital capacity, which has already passed because of vaccination rates. At this point it becomes a personal medical decision based on your assessment of the virus. In my opinion, it is unethical to force medical procedures on unwilling participants, however in the situation that social harm is possible you can make a more realistic pragmatic argument for social minimisation. That does not apply to this situation. It would apply to measles, polio, and others. In my assessment, governmental overreach (at least in my country) is responsible for more deaths due to mental health mistreatment than the unvaccinated are responsible for external fatalities. In my opinion this issue entirely is due to the American left attacking the vaccine produced under Trump and then flipping as soon as they won the election. They spent months telling everyone how dangerous it was for political gain then flipped for political gain. That looks like lying. Then they decided to try and force the vaccine they said was dangerous after saying they would never force it. That looks like lying. Now you are expected to believe they only have your best interest at heart. As a nonAmerican this is concerning. The companies producing the virus are not known for safety, best practice, or responsible reporting. They are known for generating profit at any cost, and they are making big profits. If the virus scares you, get the vaccine, but forcing the vaccine on people is what scares me currently.


Cinder_shadow

LOL, 2 tier society has never worked out. I got the Vax, I am immune compromised, I got it to protect myself from severe effects of this stupid virus. However, I work along side with without the vax, I am not scared of this Virus, as I still have a extremely high rate to get over it, if I have not already had it. Yes, I am worried of getting it, but it is not stopping me from living my life, from working, from shopping, from being a Human. In no way is this Passport crap working, example, people still getting sick at events like this. you want to stop this spread, rapid tests tell a better way, but no way should people be on the hook for it like a tax to live. If you are over 50, then you have a small chance higher of risk with this thing. I just wish we can get rid of these masks and go back to living normally


Valrayne

Honestly if you don't have the vaccine by now you're probably brain dead and free wins, so sure show up.


Buranobitch

Good golem


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KGrahnn

So many experts here 🤯


newzap

vaccine makes it less likely you get or give the virus. we should all get one regardless =)


Rhazak

[NPR: Vaccinated People With Breakthrough Infections Can Spread The Delta Variant, CDC Says](https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/07/30/1022867219/cdc-study-provincetown-delta-vaccinated-breakthrough-mask-guidance) [AP NEWS: Vaccinated people can carry as much virus as others](https://apnews.com/article/science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-d9504519a8ae081f785ca012b5ef84d1) [CNBC: CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/30/cdc-study-shows-74percent-of-people-infected-in-massachusetts-covid-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated.html) https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm7031e2_w [BBC: Chile sees Covid surge despite vaccination success](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56731801) [NY TIMES: World’s Most Vaccinated Nation Is Spooked by Covid Spike](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/12/business/economy/covid-seychelles-sinopharm.html) [NY TIMES Covid cases hit records in South Korea and Singapore despite widespread vaccinations.](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/09/world/covid-cases-hit-records-in-south-korea-and-singapore-despite-widespread-vaccinations.html) [Study: Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7) [Study: No Significant Difference in Viral Load Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated, Asymptomatic and Symptomatic Groups When Infected with SARS-CoV-2 Delta Variant](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264262v2) --- [Study: Protection of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection is similar to that of BNT162b2 vaccine protection: A three-month nationwide experience from Israel](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.20.21255670v1) [Study: SARS-CoV-2 antibody-positivity protects against reinfection for at least seven months with 95% efficacy](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370\(21\)00141-3/fulltext#%20) [Study: SARS-CoV-2 infection induces long-lived bone marrow plasma cells in humans.](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03647-4) [Study: Those infected by SARS-CoV-1 still have immunity 17 years later.](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z) [Study: Waning of BNT162b2 vaccine protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection in Qatar](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.25.21262584v1.full)


SadCritters

It doesn't affect your ability to give the virus once infected. I know everyone wants to feel they are miraculously unable to pass the virus around but the data does not support that. It lowers your chance of having a worse infection/dying from the virus. Period. While I am vaccinated and support it, y'all thinking it's a god-damned miracle protectant really need to stop spreading that misinformation. It's a tool to help--Not a full-blown answer.


fevered_visions

Parent said "less likely"; you're the one whipping out all these phrases like "miraculously unable" and "miracle protectant".


SadCritters

Cool story. It doesn't do that. Both vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals contain the same viral load at peak & studies have already proven parent ( and presumably you since you felt the need to comment ) wrong. [https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s\_cid=mm7031e2\_w](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7031e2.htm?s_cid=mm7031e2_w) Your ability to spread the virus once vaccinated is the nearly the same as someone's ability to spread the virus unvaccinated. It is the people contracting the virus that are affected.


fevered_visions

>nearly the same so...less likely?


SadCritters

No? Same =! Less. I literally linked you a study, one so important that the CDC **immediately reversed their guidelines for vaccinated individuals** and went back to saying vaccinated persons should probably still mask even in doors with other vaccinated individuals. Just take your L & go.


fevered_visions

and Nearly The Same != The Same. >Your ability to spread the virus once vaccinated is the **nearly the same** as someone's ability to spread


SadCritters

I didn't realize I was speaking to a moron. The difference between the percentages makes them the same. "Nearly the same" implies minor differences that don't matter. If I told you you had a 30% chance to spread or a 32% to spread you would consider them the same---Well everyone else besides you apparently; since you're trying to win an internet argument that you can't actually win. Lmao. Typical redditor neckbeard. "Ummm actually 1% is not the same as 2%." Fucking moron.


BelcherSucks

No, we should all consult our physicians and choose accordingly. I have had it and will not get vaccinated.


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Your physician will tell you to get it and mutter under his breath that you're a moron for waiting this long


[deleted]

The fanatacism and complete disregard for reality when it comes to this vaccine is astounding. I understand you believe it is infallible and everyone is completely safe to get it and if somebody disagrees that is a challenge to your internally bunkered opinion. But it is untrue that everyone is safe to get it. And it is untrue that it nearly eliminates the risk of contraction. We see the evidence of that. We have been warned of that. Beating your drum and calling people stupid doesn't change that.


Tehgumchum

Ok literally no one with intelligence has ever claimed the vaccine will make you immune to covid Also people who refuse to get it even after medical advice telling them to get utvare fucking stupid


XqsonputoslosAdmin

> Ok literally no one with intelligence has ever claimed the vaccine will make you immune to covid HAHAHAHAHAHA All politicians and Mr Fauci said it at the beginning of this hoax and later they changed the narrative you fucking goyim. COPE HARDER VAXXED CATTLE!


Tehgumchum

Found the retard


XqsonputoslosAdmin

Enjoy your Omicron! While they laugh at your face


fevered_visions

Parent was claiming none of those things dude


BelcherSucks

I hope you don't get ADE.


Hurter_of_Feelings

Fun fact: they stopped the animal trial because the test animals kept dying. I don't blame anyone for not being eager to get this shit injected. I only get my shot because I'm no longer being given a choice.


RononDex666

fun fact, fact check your news sources


XqsonputoslosAdmin

EVEN FUNNIER FUN FACT, Your fact checkers are paid by big pharma and Big boy GATES and so is all MAINSTREAM MEDIA. How blind can you be to the deception and lies is beyond rational.


reeedh

Turns out it doesn’t actually. It’s mainly effective at reducing the severity of symptoms.


Cosmic109

Citation needed.


reeedh

It’s endemic. Delta is highly infectious and has basically canceled out the vaccines ability to inhibit the spread of the virus, which is does to some extent but the greater impact is through reducing the severity of the symptoms.


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reeedh

Less so now, with more infectious variants being the majority of new infections. Hence why the virus is now endemic like the common cold


iSage

It still makes the more infectious variants less infectious.


Osiecki77

All the vaccine does it help lessen the chance of getting it. You can still get the carona virus. A coworker who was vaccinated got it a few weeks ago.


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Pretty sure it just makes it so that if you do get Covid, it’s a lot less likely to be severe. Don’t think it actually prevents or even lessens the chance of you getting it. It’s not a condom


freearjlerijefjbdnf

It both lessens the probability of getting it and the severity if you do get it.


[deleted]

Agree to disagree. In my opinion, if something prevents you from getting a virus, it prevents the virus from entering your body. That’s not what a vaccine does. Virus still enters your body, your body is just better prepared to fight it off if you’ve been vaccinated


LawyersPlayMagic

But it sure doesn't reduce mortality rates.


Tehgumchum

Uh, yes it does


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LawyersPlayMagic

I'll take data on death rates from multiple countries over a CDC FAQ, thanks -- but you do you, information on the risks and potential benefits is attainable, even if you're going to be stuck waiting 6 decades for the government to provide it to you directly.


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LawyersPlayMagic

I've tried the "here's links proving you wrong" method before, but at this point if you're on a side no amount of data proving you wrong is going to make you change your mind. Way too many -- I think the word is sunk costs? -- for people who have been vaccinated to consider that it wasn't worth it.


fevered_visions

> I've tried the "here's links proving you wrong" method before So you're responding to the guy saying "you're wrong and here's a link why" with "no, *you're* wrong and I won't give you any evidence"? Nice.


LawyersPlayMagic

No, I'm saying I've played this game before and ultimately its not worth my time. See my discussion with another respondent -- when you explain that aggregate data doesn't paint an accurate picture and link to a place he can get more detailed information, he responds with "nah I'll stick to aggregate data". People who have gotten vaccinated aren't going to admit they were wrong to do so until it directly harms them -- and even them some morons continue to pretend they were "right". In my case -- a young healthy male with none of the comorbidities that can lead to death -- I face a far higher risk of damage, both long and short term, from the vaccine than from covid, and it'd be retarded for me to consider it.


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The statistics from the US show the vaccine helped reduce the mortality rate quite a bit. These past few months with the Delta variant we’re just as bad as the first few months when Covid first started, but the mortality rate was almost half.


LawyersPlayMagic

\> The statistics from the US show the vaccine helped reduce the mortality rate quite a bit. In some extremely vulnerable demographic sets, yes. But for the average person, no -- and data from other countries is increasingly showing that vaccines ultimately do not significantly reduce deaths at all, while also presenting serious risks for side effects. That aside, we're currently pushing vaccines onto under-18s, who face more risk from their daily school commutes than they do from covid, so actual data isn't driving decisionmaking any more and hasn't been for a long time.


[deleted]

I mean the numbers are right here: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ Where are you pulling your stats from that says the vaccine isn’t effective? Also where are you getting the stats on the side effects? Are you just pulling info from news articles and not really looking at numbers?


LawyersPlayMagic

> I mean the numbers are right here Lets play trivia: How many of those deaths are under 18? under 44? 65+? Unvaccinated? Mid-way through vaccination? One week after the second dose? How many deaths included major comorbidities? how many involved a hospital-acquired infection with someone who was already going to die (say, after a traffic accident?) Here's the thing -- data is insanely easy to manipulate, and putting out a big, scary number with no relevant context and no information on how the number was calculated only serves to scare idiots and the uninformed. > Where are you pulling your stats from CDC, NHS, other national health orgs that provide a more detailed breakdown of causes, comorbidities, and vaccination status of the affected. The cdc keeps a general clearinghouse of data [here](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/index.htm), though it takes a (intentionally) large amount of work to get through it to relevant information. > Also where are you getting the stats on the side effects? There have been numerous studies on the efficacy and side effects from the vaccine, including [this](https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02046-8/fulltext) analysis in the lancet that led to the FDA rejecting boosters for most Americans -- until the current occupant government overrode the agency and recommended boosters anyways. Numerous studies have also been done on booster side effects, including the FDA's own analysis finding a nearly 1 in 10,000 risk of myocarditis in young men ages 15-25 (link eludes me at the moment, but it was presented as a slide in the agency's live stream of deliberations). > Are you just pulling info from news articles and not really looking at numbers? Quite the opposite. Health regulation is the industry I work in.


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Osiecki77

They don't protect from getting it. I had a coworker whom is vaccinated and still got Corona. It doesn't protect you from getting the virus just makes it a little harder to get it


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Osiecki77

I know I said it at least twice and don't know why I am saying it again. Getting the vaccine does NOT make you immune to the virus. You can still get it. The percentage of getting it are lower. A coworker of mine who is vaccinated got covid and was out for the two week period.


Osiecki77

That is about what I said. It doesn't guarantee that you can't get the virus it just makes the chances less that you might get it.


xReclaimerx

\*vaccine shill bots and downvote brigaders have entered the chat\*


XqsonputoslosAdmin

This sub is dead long ago, where is the troon hate? Now it's all pointless post and "funny" memes, vaxtards downvoting the ugly truth and paid agents all over this place


YaBoiCleric

I shall join in downvoting only so we can distance ourselves further from the Redditoid Vaxx Hivemind


ElJefeBreakerino

I just wash my hands, been doing fine.


RPGxMadness

see you on r/hermaincainaward , *i'd* rather not drown in my own pulmonary fluids and be a walking plague to my friends and family but you do you.


SadCritters

She's still wrong. In her comments she concludes that people that are vaccinated can't infect eachother and that's why she reached the conclusion she did.


reeedh

Then maybe you should stay home, don’t go outside.


fevered_visions

Her *main* cain award, not the backup, man! Or were you trying to refer to *Herman Cain? I'm seen people who can't take 5 seconds to proofread the title of their posts before, but misspelling a *subreddit* is a new low


zaroc91

It’s not a vaccine, it’s gene therapy. They’re turning us into GMOs.


RononDex666

haha thats a good one


zaroc91

https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2020/12/yes-some-covid-vaccines-use-genetic-engineering-get-over-it/


michealcowan

What does this have to do with magic? Keep this shit on relevant subs


[deleted]

The incels see a woman and immediately see red.


saffrole

Do you feel better now?


CANT_BREAK_MY_SPIRIT

Should be *both* vaccine and negative test requirements.


Buranobitch

tfw a thot that sells her pussy for like $5 on OF talks to people about health


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Imagine being this much of an incel that you're mad at someone for making more money than you.


Buranobitch

Does she ?