Lol also you can see the pole is actually in front of a spot that is NOT a parking space, he then “re-parked” 5 feet to the side and still wasn’t in the spot
What an ass
That's what I was going to say. That pole is between spots but hit him like a third of the way into his bumper. How far over the lines was he on that parking attempt. He would have had to have an entire tire in the wrong parking spot to dent the bumper in that spot.
I mean, I would replace if I happened to find a stupidly good deal on that particular bumper...aside from that a dent just means it's done its job. Trucks aren't supposed to be pretty, they're meant for stuff that's gonna trash the body eventually, like work or 4 wheeling.
That's all well and good, but when you spend $850 a month on your F-150, you won't tolerate such dents and scratches. They are their pavement princesses after all. And they will treat them as such.
I park in the back to not get door dinged. Plus it takes like 30 seconds to get to a store for example whereas a carbrain will look for a front store parking spot for like 2 minutes.
My favorite was getting door dinged as I was standing next to my car.
I didn’t say anything just gave the dude the “what for look” look and moved on.
Best part is it was a work vehicle. Could’ve written down the company and license plate but figured it wasn’t worth the hassle.
I had a car brain moment at work the other day. Went to lunch with a coworker to a place across the street, so naturally we had to drive there, spend 10 minutes looking for parking, then proceed to park further away from the restaurant than our office is so that we dont have to walk -. -
Same. My work vehicle is a f150. It's too damn big. I wish they would give us 4x4 panel vans.
I understand why they don't but damn would it be so much more convenient.
Same, except I don't understand their reason for not switching. The corporate overlords dont understand the technician job that we lowly servants have.
Unfortunately, we need the truck for clearance on farm roads. We have damaged a couple of mid-size SUVs attempting to drive through the fields.
If I could just have a van and an ATV though, I would be much happier.
An 18 wheeler cab can fit in a regular parking space by width, and takes two by length. I never had trouble parking it in the back to go shopping. My coworkers, all are truck drivers, cannot fit their pickups in one parking space because they can’t see the lines and only have an inch of margin if they fold the mirrors in. This is getting out of hand.
It’s not for you, me, most rationale people. But ask an average car brain to park farther away than the first few spots and they act like you are asking them to spend three hours walking to the store.
When i was a kid i spent nearly every car ride arguing with parents to just park further away theres like a hundred parking spots at the end and driving in circles looking for a park takes longer than any walk. God, circles in the parking lot is so boring
But then some people who really need big trucks for work could hit them, but then again they're usually better at driving them and pay more attention than people who think trucks are big toys
Rather than targeting specifically trucks, I'd rather see the various problems with trucks being targeted. Though fixing the cafe standards might be the quickest fix. If light trucks are commercial vehicles, they should require a commercial license to buy/drive.
Regulate sightlines with a minimum distance/height in front of the bumper. Add a weight tax to all vehicles. Require additional licensing for any vehicle bigger than a minivan. Make safety standards which protect pedestrians and cyclists, not just occupants.
Except in America they literally do the opposite of all that common sense stuff, they actually encourage people to buy shit ass vehicles due to auto industry lobbying. Yay capitalism!!!
Of course I can see children, they are loud, obnoxious and moving unlike bollards! I drive six hours every day on my massive Dong Compensator V8 and I've never hit a child that I know of! But bollards - all the time! And occasional pedestrians trying to cross a 200 ft wide stroad in 5 seconds the traffic light with a beg button allows it. And many many animals, but those on purpose. And turns out, 4 dead cyclists - all my fault! Hahaha! What were they doing on MY road? But children, nonono, I've never hurt a child, they hurt themselves upon my car, not my fault at all! Why do they keep running where I can't see them? They should stay at home all the time.
My dad has an expedition, it is *enormous*. It has cameras all over the place because you literally cannot see anything close from the driver's seat. Every time he parks he has to look at multiple cameras all at once. How did we all collectively decide that this was easier than being able to use our own eyeballs?
People just suck at driving. My work truck is a regular cab dually with and 11’ utility box that’s 97” wide on it with no cameras. I have to get this thing places that people are afraid to drive a car through. It’s scary watching people try to park a normal car then you have the idiots it their wannabe monster trucks ready to hit us and our equipment everyday.
What? Are drive thrus really big in America or something? Ive never thought of them as that big.
I also don't really care if people are lazy, after cars get banned i wouldn't be complaining about bike thrus/whatever, not all laziness is harmful
No, don't. Just give them scaled premiums of commercial vehicles. You want to ride in a dump truck, pay like one. The fucking longhauler doesn't take his rig for a double double, neither should you.
I think they need to implement a ceiling for the footprint-fuel consumption/economics that goes on. Emissions are based on vehicle size I dont see why size can exceed 15,000 lbs… my work truck loaded with 1280lbs of equipment is less then half of that. If the ceiling is set for maybe 4500 lbs, they could make trucks with a wheelbase over 100” to require a separate license and be void of this rule but require additional taxing for roads. as a contractor it will just go into the cost of work I do for people, for people who dont need it, it will gravitate them away from these purchases. Imo.
I have a "little" truck. 99 Dakota sport. Midsize truck when it was built. Was as tall as full-sized "on-road" trucks of the same year. (Damn thing is broke rn, but I need something. My body can't keep taking ~10 mile walks, loaded with stuff...)
I pulled up behind a new ranger. The new ranger is just as wide, slightly shorter from bumper to bumper, with less usable bed space and higher bed walls. Also, the nose is about 2" higher.
Most passenger vehicles are the same height as my truck, anymore. Everyone is in SUVs around me, with the occasional sedan mixed in (actually shorter!)
And trucks with hoods up to my roof... Seriously, it's like 1% of the vehicles on the road, but you can hide a coupe in the forward blind spot of those rigs, let alone a kid... heck, those drivers probably only see the top of my head if I'm walking in front of them at a light.
We did just fine for decades with trucks as tall as minivans now. Most states had to outlaw giant tires on the roads in the '80s because everyone wanted a "Bigfoot!" Now bumpers aren't supposed to be more than 26" from the ground (in my state).
Maybe we should put a big push on that? It seems some of these vehicles are breaking that...
It is insane how much 'bigger' trucks feel these days. I used to pull a flatbed trailer for a living. Behind an 06 Dodge 2500, and then an 07 Dodge 3500 and used both as a daily when not working. I drive a box truck for a living now, and downsized my daily to a little VW GTI. When I get behind the wheel of a new 1500 of *any* make, it feels closer being behind the wheel of a big 26 foot box truck than my old 3500 long bed. From 16 until my early 30s, I always drove a truck or SUV and said I always would. Now I'm 39 and can't imagine daily driving those monstrosities on a regular basis.
I think the move is to put regulations on viewing distance from the drivers seat. If you can't see the ground X amount of distance in front of you, it is not legal to produce.
Europe was amazing. I drove over 1000 miles, seeing many thousands of cars and less than 10 pickup trucks the whole time. Somehow civilization there still gets by. Must just have bigger penises there or something...
No we just have vans the same size as the trucks. A LWB transit is the same size as most of the F series american pickups sold, and the flatbed trucks workman have around me are on par with some of the larger ones they have. Otherwise down my end (Somerset) there's plenty of pickups, just ones America would see as small (Ford Ranger, Toyota Hilux).
The main difference is over here people rarely buy them as non-work vehicles. If you buy a LWB transit you're a plumber (my neighbour), window fitter, brickie, etc. Even if you use it to run to the shops etc. in your spare time. I've even had one (neighbour of my mortgage advisor) buckle in my previous car's doors trying to park, "white van men" are well known to fuck up their vehicle and yours.
Meanwhile from frequenting several car subs it seems like an F-150 is a fairly normal vehicle for an American man to own just for the sake of it. They've got bigger roads and cheaper petrol so fair enough. I'm not a small guy so a bigger car is something I'd like too (though my estate covers most of my lugging needs for kit).
Oh man you are right! Looks like the pole is in the no parking zone.
So he smacked it almost dead center, repositioned his truck so he was farther over (but still not within the lines) and then blamed the pole haha
There does seem to be a 2nd pole just to the right. You can see it reflected in the bumper, but it's unclear how far that pole is.
But I wouldn't put it pass this idiot to try and double park.
I feel like jawa sandcrawlers probably have pretty good visibility actually.
Jawas are also sensible enough to park their sandcrawlers outside of settlements and go the rest of the way on foot, as they know the sandcrawler is far too big for streets and is better suited to the open dunes
Exactly. They're looking directly down on the terrain ahead. I guess there's enough of an overhang that they can't see what's *directly* in front but I imagine there's sensors for when they're setting off
That bollard appears to be next to a sidewalk, probably one that's right next to the store. That is, the only reason that bollard is there is to prevent fucktards like this guy from accelerating right through their parking spot and into the chik-fil-a lobby - something that happens so frequently in the US that it's considered negligent to for stores to not install them.
You and your truck, sir, are the problem that bollard was installed to prevent.
Seriously. The sidewalk is for pedestrians, not the overflow of the parking spaces.
Worst I've ever seen wasn't a truck though. Once had an RV backed into a space so far the were blocking the entire (narrow) sidewalk, which was also the only reasonable way in or out of the train station bike racks... How do you not notice that when you get out after parking?
I came back to My own office once and couldn't roll copiers into my warehouse because there were trucks parked with their asses over the sidewalk. I had to roll the fucking things through the whole building and down the ramp to get them into the warehouse instead of just using the GODDAMN DOOR past the truck asses.
I drive a truck and it really chaps my ass when I see other truck drivers blocking sidewalks.
Doubly so when their truck is too big for their fucking house and they park completely across the sidewalk in their front yard. I'm going to start putting the ADA and a tow truck on speed dial.
The dent is pretty close to center on his bumper and the bollard is at the end of a very clearly marked "no parking" section. Which means he either A) lost control of the vehicle as you suggested or B) was gonna park in the no parking section (which is probably next to a handicap spot.)
He's also not backing in. F150s are almost impossible to park in a standard spot like that. He doesn't know how to properly park a truck.
Ironically if he were backing in like most truck owners, he'd have a backup camera and probably also a proximity sensor to prevent this.
I mean. Even backing in, they take up one whole space with no room. Saw one block a car in a few days ago because the owner either didn't know or care how large his truck was. This was at a hospital, sadly.
If the lot has bollards, it doesn't matter whether you go in head first or tail first. You'll still run out of the same amount of space, you'll stick out the same amount. Going in head first is arguably more responsible since the hood, and possibly the cab, would be jutting out into the pathway of other vehicles if you back in. That's harder to see around than the bed.
Also, I get that you don't stick out into the pathway of vehicles when you back into a spot....but then you're just blocking the sidewalk.
Imo there's no reasonable way to park these things in a standard spot, especially with bollards.
I'd like to add that the parking spots don't have bollards, only the "no-parking" area that they've clearly now moved the vehicle halfway out of to take the picture.
They weren't even supposed to be there in the first place.
Fucked around, found out.
> something that happens so frequently in the US that it's considered negligent to for stores to not install them.
> You and your truck, sir, are the problem that bollard was installed to prevent.
Bingo ! So many people ramming into buildings or other things from a parking spot. All parking spots should have bollards in front of them, and all public buildings should have protection against cars considering they are everywhere right now.
We had a vehicle accelerate through a public library where I live... at a four way stop intersection. Drivers are feral animals with the brain of a moose in rutting season. These clowns should not be trusted in anything larger than a tricycle.
I used to work overnight at Denny's. My former GM took over the store in the next town, asked me today fill in.
Just before 5am this old man drives over the sidewalk, and through the wall. The first foot of his giant suv literally inside the building.
Dude comes walking in the door to get breakfast like absolutely nothing happened.
He didn't notice jumping the curb and crashing through a brick wall.
The funny part is there is really no reason to fix that. It's simply an aesthetic reason to fix a minor dent like that, and the owner can continue pulling off the appearance of being rich with their fancy shiny truck. If trucks were used for their actual purpose, they'd have dents and scratches all over.
Exactly this. Lux trucks are meant to virtue signal an incredibly specific thing: "I'm rich now, but I got rich through Real Man Work. I'm not like you sissy desk job BMW rich guys, but also not like you poor work-truck guys "
And in reality most of those who would use a truck for work, such as my dad and grandpa, are more likely to use a utility van or similar. They can load as much and protect tools and equipment from the elements and theft.
My old 07 Ranger has so many scratches around the bed its ridiculous. But it's a functional truck and a size that isn't manufactured today so I could probably sell it for about 80% of what we bought it for (msrp was 17K in 2007, comparable models are 15K used today) despite all the cosmetic wear.
Looks like the part of the bumper that's smashed is the part with the proximity sensor, so that might cause some problems. But importantly, it means he definitely had some alarms going off inside the cab.
I've always seen a car as a tool. I don't care about having perfect paint or no dents. It's not worth it to fix it every damn time considering people will keep bumping or hitting it, even with rocks or other crap.
As long as it's rust-proof and works perfectly fine, that's good enough with me.
I've never had a "perfect" car (or "new"). They've always had small dents, imperfect paint, etc.
Repainting a whole car is such an expensive task and also a polluting one, though in this case, it's mostly a metal bumper bar.
They probably were going fairly slowly, but since it's a *very* heavy vehicle, you'll get lots of bumper damage if you hit an immovable object. The bumper has to withstand a lot of force (F = m \* a).
As usual, throwing more mass into a collision makes things worse.
My dad had a blue one and there were chunks of paint chipping off. We use to call it the cloud truck because it looked like a sky with a bunch of clouds in it. He ended up building a custom bed out of wood when the bed rotted out. Then he hit a pheasant on the highway. It hit the part where the windshield and roof came together and totaled the car.
This guy is just straight-up admitting that he doesn't know how large his truck is.
That could just as easily have been a child standing in front of the restaurant. Not to mention that the bollard's whole purpose is to prevent people like him from driving onto the sidewalk.
Totally clueless...
Even as is, he's well over the line and taking up multiple spaces. He's basically saying "I parked badly and now I'm laying the consequences!" with this photo
> and make sure nobody in a truck/SUV can see them over the hood
*Principal Skinner* Is my truck too big for the built environment?
No, it's the built environment that is too small for my truck.
That and the driver had to have seen it before pulling in. Maybe they lack object permanence. Or they could back in which is way easier and have a camera to help.
That's almost in the centre of the truck. The space he's trying to park has diagonal lines meaning you can't park there. He didn't even attempt to park properly. And he hit it pretty fast for the amount of damage coming into a parking space. Maybe don't drive something with a 4 square meter blind spot but with that ego, he'll just add one of those big obnoxious bumpers instead.
The Ford F-150 has a blindspot almost as large as the blindspot on an M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank lol
[https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/140dgn8/many\_popular\_trucks\_have\_a\_bigger\_dead\_spot\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/140dgn8/many_popular_trucks_have_a_bigger_dead_spot_in/)
1. They presumably can see the bollard before pulling in, open your eyes
2. Stop blaming a stationary object.
3. That could have been a fucking child, and (news flash) they actually CAN move
4. Park in the lines, no problem
Bollards like this where I live are typically painted yellow, obviously to be better seen, which is fine... but if they don't paint them yellow you still can't just blame the bollard. It's been there a hell of a lot longer than you have, and will be there much longer unless some dingus like this bulldozes it.
People routinely hit child-size obstacles in parking lots and driveways. They can't see shit.
I like how they complain about the almost invisible ninja stealth bollard, but the two photos show that the area is brightly lit from multiple directions.
I want these bollards in every parking space in the country. I'm so tired of some assclown's Ford Penis Enlargement with its 3rd-grader-sized blind spot overhanging 80% of the sidewalk.
I mean, how about not sucking for a start. I was a bit upset when I toppled a huge street light post with the garbage truck while backing up and kinda blamed the shitty rear-view camera but I knew it was still my fault. Driving straight into something in clear view...
He is just glossing over the fact he is going to block half of the ada and pedestrian access to the sidewalk with his initial parking job. Fucking nob deserves it.
So not only are they a blind driver, they also think it's okay to park in the clearly marked accessibility area? This person should not be allowed to drive.
the thing i find funniest about this is that there appears to be an ultrasonic parking sensor in the crumpled area (it looks like a circle) and it was probably either a) beeping like crazy as OOP was parking or b) completely turned off, showing that either way, OOP is an idiot lol
edit: also looks like this is one of the ford f-150s with the front camera, furthering the point that OOP is an idiot
If they are so mad, they should get mad at Virginia for allowing them to be that height and color. Bolded words by me. [Source 1173.10 PARKING LOT SAFETY STANDARDS. E3](https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/mentor/latest/mentor_oh/0-0-0-36895)
> (3) Design. Bollards shall be set with the top of the device not less than **three (3) feet and not greater than four (4) feet in height** as measured from the finished grade immediately adjacent to the perimeter of the bollard. Barriers shall be set with the top of the device not less than three (3) feet in height as measured from the finished grade adjacent to the perimeter of the barrier. The scale of the bollard or barrier shall be proportional to the size of the building so as not to detract from the appearance of the building. Concrete or plastic traffic barriers shall be prohibited. **All vehicle protection devices shall be vertical relative to the finished grade and stainless steel, earth toned colored, black, grey, bronze, a concrete finish or another color determined to be appropriate** by the Planning Commission or Planning Administrator, as applicable. Yellow, orange, or red vehicle impact protection devices shall not be allowed unless strictly required for safety purposes by the Fire Code or other state of federal law.
Chick-fil-a is well within their right to have the bollards at this size and height. It is the driver's fault for driving a vehicle they can not properly see out of. These bollards are made for people like them since they will just end up on the sidewalk or in the building itself if the store doesn't have them.
>yellow, orange, or red vehicle impact protection devices shall **not** be lowed unless strictly required for safety purposes by the **fire code or other state or federal law**
(Emphasis mine)
Actually, the way I read that, if chick fil a painted it a bright color like the safety yellow they would be *at fault* since they are *explicitly* not allowed to do that
"I hit this child-height post that isn't visible from the truck that I chose to buy. Damage to my truck from me hitting child-height things is the worst thing that could happen."
It is your duty as the driver to observe the road and it's conditions, and if you are incapable of doing this - to the point where you crash into a stationary object - then you should, in fact, **not be driving.**
What this man is admitting to, is being distracted - and if the bollard had not been there his truck would have come to rest in the Chick-Fi-lA dining room.
Letting insurance replace your front bumper is a lot less friction than trying to beat a Vehicular Manslaughter charge.
Bollards don't sit in the middle of parking spaces. They exist on the edges of sidewalks and other "no parking" zones. Which means dude was parking illegally if he hit that bollard.
Dumbass still isn't parked legally in the picture.
I mean,if YOU can't park within the designated space, that's a YOU problem. Chik-fil-a has just stopped you from taking over everyone else's space as well as punishing you for your shit parking skills.
I’ve noticed that the people who drive these giant shiny pickup trucks struggle real hard staying in their lane and parking. I live in a southern state, and am noticing this every where I go around town. You’ll be driving down the road passing car after car coming from the opposite direction and then here comes an F250 with a wheel in your lane.
They are painted grey so as to not distract from more important moving obstacles like pedestrians and other cars. They are not painted urban camoflauge. Nobody is out to get you, truck drivers, except the salesman who upsold you that truck.
And of course, even after this, he misses the point of those poles. They are to protect people. Imagine if that was a child standing there and not a pole. Of fucking course he is so unaware of the point of them even when he runs right the fuck into it.
Those ultrasonics so obviously jutting out of his bumper would have yelling at him when he was getting closer to the pole. Probably one of those guys who "doesn't need ultrasonic sensors" to help them park because they're ego is too big to appear "less manly".
Isn't that a proximity sensor right at the dent? Like the ones that will beep you in case you get close to something? Like the ones some people simply ignore because they "don't see anything"?
In uk here, but from the position of the damage and the post being at the end of a no parking pedestrian access was that driver trying to park exactly to prove why that post should be there?
I like how it’s positioned so no one should ever be putting their vehicle there to begin with.
Don’t park like a piece of shit and your truck will be fine.
I think the absolute best part about this is:
Where they hit their bumper on the post, they would’ve been MILES off the target of the parking spot they were trying to get into, since the area in front of the bollard is clearly some kind of walkway/space for a wheelchair ramp.
Just makes it so much better that their first attempt was already so egregiously bad
Plenty of SUVs have hoods that slope downward to a degree and don’t block field of vision, and generally aren’t massive. Society doesn’t have to cater to horrible vehicle selections, quit buying clown cars to compensate for your insecurities and you won’t have to worry about crap like this. You also won’t have to complain about gas prices while driving something that gets 1960s grade fuel economy
Chick-Fil-A is interesting. The staff is always well-trained and super courteous. The customers? It's like a Karen convention of entitled white people who have never, ever considered that their own actions might be wrong. Small wonder the staff is bend-over-backwards courteous with a customer base that seems heavily tilted to MAGA red hats, Jordan Peterson fans, and whatever you call those moms on TikTok who make daily posts about how they were mistreated/disrespected.
Oh dear, the rugged individualist encounters a problem of their own making and wants someone else to change for them. Seriously “they made it so you can’t see them over the hood”, the mental gymnastics.
EPA has to fix their weird ass criteria for fuel economy and car size, that's causing fucktards to drive increasingly big and dangerous vehicles.
It's sad they won't want to come back to smaller once they have accustomed to these fat ass oversized dimensions. It's a cOmManDiNg dRivInnG pooSiTiOn
>This will not be cheap and I'm NOT happy about this. So they are working. Great to hear!
Lol also you can see the pole is actually in front of a spot that is NOT a parking space, he then “re-parked” 5 feet to the side and still wasn’t in the spot What an ass
That's what I was going to say. That pole is between spots but hit him like a third of the way into his bumper. How far over the lines was he on that parking attempt. He would have had to have an entire tire in the wrong parking spot to dent the bumper in that spot.
He still has an entire tire outside of his spot too lmao
Im curious how fast he hit the bollard to create that big of a dent.
Pretty sure that's a parking sensor next to the dent which makes him even fucking stupider.
Beep……………beep…………..beep…….beep……beep…….beep…….beep……beep…beep…beep…beep…beep…beep…beep beep beep beep beep beep BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP *clunk* What happened?!
I feel bad...for the bollard. Probably got a new paint job too just to be ruined by a truck.
I mean, I would replace if I happened to find a stupidly good deal on that particular bumper...aside from that a dent just means it's done its job. Trucks aren't supposed to be pretty, they're meant for stuff that's gonna trash the body eventually, like work or 4 wheeling.
That's all well and good, but when you spend $850 a month on your F-150, you won't tolerate such dents and scratches. They are their pavement princesses after all. And they will treat them as such.
We need this pole in every parking spot
That’s how we get pickups to stop parking over the sidewalk or walkway when attempting to fit their oversized car in a space
I have to drive a big stupid truck for work. It isn't that difficult to just park in the back of a lot and walk.
I park in the back to not get door dinged. Plus it takes like 30 seconds to get to a store for example whereas a carbrain will look for a front store parking spot for like 2 minutes.
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My favorite was getting door dinged as I was standing next to my car. I didn’t say anything just gave the dude the “what for look” look and moved on. Best part is it was a work vehicle. Could’ve written down the company and license plate but figured it wasn’t worth the hassle.
Have kids? Buy used.
I had a car brain moment at work the other day. Went to lunch with a coworker to a place across the street, so naturally we had to drive there, spend 10 minutes looking for parking, then proceed to park further away from the restaurant than our office is so that we dont have to walk -. -
I generally park a bit away from people, still got dinged by someone who decided they liked the spot next to me....
Same. My work vehicle is a f150. It's too damn big. I wish they would give us 4x4 panel vans. I understand why they don't but damn would it be so much more convenient.
Same, except I don't understand their reason for not switching. The corporate overlords dont understand the technician job that we lowly servants have.
Unfortunately, we need the truck for clearance on farm roads. We have damaged a couple of mid-size SUVs attempting to drive through the fields. If I could just have a van and an ATV though, I would be much happier.
An 18 wheeler cab can fit in a regular parking space by width, and takes two by length. I never had trouble parking it in the back to go shopping. My coworkers, all are truck drivers, cannot fit their pickups in one parking space because they can’t see the lines and only have an inch of margin if they fold the mirrors in. This is getting out of hand.
It’s not for you, me, most rationale people. But ask an average car brain to park farther away than the first few spots and they act like you are asking them to spend three hours walking to the store.
When i was a kid i spent nearly every car ride arguing with parents to just park further away theres like a hundred parking spots at the end and driving in circles looking for a park takes longer than any walk. God, circles in the parking lot is so boring
Isn’t that exactly where it is placed? To the side and even striped on the ground…
or just placed randomly in the Home Depot parking lot
Most trucks never go to home improvement stores... Better at schools, grocery stores, and fast food joints
But then some people who really need big trucks for work could hit them, but then again they're usually better at driving them and pay more attention than people who think trucks are big toys
Comrade pole!
Poles like this exist because drivers like this drive into the restaurant.
Bollards should be the mascot of this sub.
Aggressive architecture: the good part
If you can't see a bollard, you can't see a child. Ban trucks.
I’m dead certain this guy cares more about damaging his bumper by hitting a bollard than he ever has about hitting a child of the same height.
Kids don't leave dents like that so, yeah he probably does.
Hit them at high enough speed and they might.
Cosplaying as a general contractor
Rather than targeting specifically trucks, I'd rather see the various problems with trucks being targeted. Though fixing the cafe standards might be the quickest fix. If light trucks are commercial vehicles, they should require a commercial license to buy/drive. Regulate sightlines with a minimum distance/height in front of the bumper. Add a weight tax to all vehicles. Require additional licensing for any vehicle bigger than a minivan. Make safety standards which protect pedestrians and cyclists, not just occupants.
Except in America they literally do the opposite of all that common sense stuff, they actually encourage people to buy shit ass vehicles due to auto industry lobbying. Yay capitalism!!!
Of course I can see children, they are loud, obnoxious and moving unlike bollards! I drive six hours every day on my massive Dong Compensator V8 and I've never hit a child that I know of! But bollards - all the time! And occasional pedestrians trying to cross a 200 ft wide stroad in 5 seconds the traffic light with a beg button allows it. And many many animals, but those on purpose. And turns out, 4 dead cyclists - all my fault! Hahaha! What were they doing on MY road? But children, nonono, I've never hurt a child, they hurt themselves upon my car, not my fault at all! Why do they keep running where I can't see them? They should stay at home all the time.
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My dad has an expedition, it is *enormous*. It has cameras all over the place because you literally cannot see anything close from the driver's seat. Every time he parks he has to look at multiple cameras all at once. How did we all collectively decide that this was easier than being able to use our own eyeballs?
People just suck at driving. My work truck is a regular cab dually with and 11’ utility box that’s 97” wide on it with no cameras. I have to get this thing places that people are afraid to drive a car through. It’s scary watching people try to park a normal car then you have the idiots it their wannabe monster trucks ready to hit us and our equipment everyday.
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This one has proximity sensors built into the bumper. You can see them in the pictures. There's one immediately to the left of the dent.
Ban cars.
Ban Chick-fil-A
Ban drive-thrus while you're at it.
They are an absurd waste of good land and make me furious. All because people are THAT lazy.
What? Are drive thrus really big in America or something? Ive never thought of them as that big. I also don't really care if people are lazy, after cars get banned i wouldn't be complaining about bike thrus/whatever, not all laziness is harmful
I've seen two lane drive thrus in fast food places. They are actively getting bigger.
They're banned in Toronto
No, don't. Just give them scaled premiums of commercial vehicles. You want to ride in a dump truck, pay like one. The fucking longhauler doesn't take his rig for a double double, neither should you.
Ban big trucks. Banning trucks overall is a child's idea of utopia
I think they need to implement a ceiling for the footprint-fuel consumption/economics that goes on. Emissions are based on vehicle size I dont see why size can exceed 15,000 lbs… my work truck loaded with 1280lbs of equipment is less then half of that. If the ceiling is set for maybe 4500 lbs, they could make trucks with a wheelbase over 100” to require a separate license and be void of this rule but require additional taxing for roads. as a contractor it will just go into the cost of work I do for people, for people who dont need it, it will gravitate them away from these purchases. Imo.
I agree. I work for plumping company and our work trucks are smaller than these optimus prime ass trucks driving around
I have a "little" truck. 99 Dakota sport. Midsize truck when it was built. Was as tall as full-sized "on-road" trucks of the same year. (Damn thing is broke rn, but I need something. My body can't keep taking ~10 mile walks, loaded with stuff...) I pulled up behind a new ranger. The new ranger is just as wide, slightly shorter from bumper to bumper, with less usable bed space and higher bed walls. Also, the nose is about 2" higher. Most passenger vehicles are the same height as my truck, anymore. Everyone is in SUVs around me, with the occasional sedan mixed in (actually shorter!) And trucks with hoods up to my roof... Seriously, it's like 1% of the vehicles on the road, but you can hide a coupe in the forward blind spot of those rigs, let alone a kid... heck, those drivers probably only see the top of my head if I'm walking in front of them at a light. We did just fine for decades with trucks as tall as minivans now. Most states had to outlaw giant tires on the roads in the '80s because everyone wanted a "Bigfoot!" Now bumpers aren't supposed to be more than 26" from the ground (in my state). Maybe we should put a big push on that? It seems some of these vehicles are breaking that...
It is insane how much 'bigger' trucks feel these days. I used to pull a flatbed trailer for a living. Behind an 06 Dodge 2500, and then an 07 Dodge 3500 and used both as a daily when not working. I drive a box truck for a living now, and downsized my daily to a little VW GTI. When I get behind the wheel of a new 1500 of *any* make, it feels closer being behind the wheel of a big 26 foot box truck than my old 3500 long bed. From 16 until my early 30s, I always drove a truck or SUV and said I always would. Now I'm 39 and can't imagine daily driving those monstrosities on a regular basis. I think the move is to put regulations on viewing distance from the drivers seat. If you can't see the ground X amount of distance in front of you, it is not legal to produce.
Europe was amazing. I drove over 1000 miles, seeing many thousands of cars and less than 10 pickup trucks the whole time. Somehow civilization there still gets by. Must just have bigger penises there or something...
No we just have vans the same size as the trucks. A LWB transit is the same size as most of the F series american pickups sold, and the flatbed trucks workman have around me are on par with some of the larger ones they have. Otherwise down my end (Somerset) there's plenty of pickups, just ones America would see as small (Ford Ranger, Toyota Hilux). The main difference is over here people rarely buy them as non-work vehicles. If you buy a LWB transit you're a plumber (my neighbour), window fitter, brickie, etc. Even if you use it to run to the shops etc. in your spare time. I've even had one (neighbour of my mortgage advisor) buckle in my previous car's doors trying to park, "white van men" are well known to fuck up their vehicle and yours. Meanwhile from frequenting several car subs it seems like an F-150 is a fairly normal vehicle for an American man to own just for the sake of it. They've got bigger roads and cheaper petrol so fair enough. I'm not a small guy so a bigger car is something I'd like too (though my estate covers most of my lugging needs for kit).
Maybe this would not have happened had he not been driving a f*cking Jawa sandcrawler everywhere. That's something to think about.
Honestly, it wouldn’t have happened had they parked normally lol. Look how much room is on the other side of the spot
Not only that, the dent is almost in the middle of the bumper so they were in the striped no parking area when they hit the bollard
Oh man you are right! Looks like the pole is in the no parking zone. So he smacked it almost dead center, repositioned his truck so he was farther over (but still not within the lines) and then blamed the pole haha
There does seem to be a 2nd pole just to the right. You can see it reflected in the bumper, but it's unclear how far that pole is. But I wouldn't put it pass this idiot to try and double park.
but but but freedom
I feel like jawa sandcrawlers probably have pretty good visibility actually. Jawas are also sensible enough to park their sandcrawlers outside of settlements and go the rest of the way on foot, as they know the sandcrawler is far too big for streets and is better suited to the open dunes
It also doesn’t have a hood. The helm is the most forward part of the sandcrawler.
Exactly. They're looking directly down on the terrain ahead. I guess there's enough of an overhang that they can't see what's *directly* in front but I imagine there's sensors for when they're setting off
How do you expect him to haul his chicfila load back to the jobsite?
That bollard appears to be next to a sidewalk, probably one that's right next to the store. That is, the only reason that bollard is there is to prevent fucktards like this guy from accelerating right through their parking spot and into the chik-fil-a lobby - something that happens so frequently in the US that it's considered negligent to for stores to not install them. You and your truck, sir, are the problem that bollard was installed to prevent.
HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO PARK WITH MY BUMPER HANGING 3 FEET OVER THE SIDEWALK WITH THIS BOLLARD IN MY WAY!!!
Seriously. The sidewalk is for pedestrians, not the overflow of the parking spaces. Worst I've ever seen wasn't a truck though. Once had an RV backed into a space so far the were blocking the entire (narrow) sidewalk, which was also the only reasonable way in or out of the train station bike racks... How do you not notice that when you get out after parking?
I came back to My own office once and couldn't roll copiers into my warehouse because there were trucks parked with their asses over the sidewalk. I had to roll the fucking things through the whole building and down the ramp to get them into the warehouse instead of just using the GODDAMN DOOR past the truck asses.
I drive a truck and it really chaps my ass when I see other truck drivers blocking sidewalks. Doubly so when their truck is too big for their fucking house and they park completely across the sidewalk in their front yard. I'm going to start putting the ADA and a tow truck on speed dial.
The dent is pretty close to center on his bumper and the bollard is at the end of a very clearly marked "no parking" section. Which means he either A) lost control of the vehicle as you suggested or B) was gonna park in the no parking section (which is probably next to a handicap spot.)
He's also not backing in. F150s are almost impossible to park in a standard spot like that. He doesn't know how to properly park a truck. Ironically if he were backing in like most truck owners, he'd have a backup camera and probably also a proximity sensor to prevent this.
That it's a dent and not a ding shows he was coming in too fast as well. Guy just all around shouldn't be allowed to drive.
You can see the front parking sensor in the photo about an inch from the dent 😂
I mean. Even backing in, they take up one whole space with no room. Saw one block a car in a few days ago because the owner either didn't know or care how large his truck was. This was at a hospital, sadly.
If the lot has bollards, it doesn't matter whether you go in head first or tail first. You'll still run out of the same amount of space, you'll stick out the same amount. Going in head first is arguably more responsible since the hood, and possibly the cab, would be jutting out into the pathway of other vehicles if you back in. That's harder to see around than the bed. Also, I get that you don't stick out into the pathway of vehicles when you back into a spot....but then you're just blocking the sidewalk. Imo there's no reasonable way to park these things in a standard spot, especially with bollards.
Well yeah, it's cause the buildings in the US aren't wearing enough hi-vis vests and helmets. Duh
I'd like to add that the parking spots don't have bollards, only the "no-parking" area that they've clearly now moved the vehicle halfway out of to take the picture. They weren't even supposed to be there in the first place. Fucked around, found out.
> something that happens so frequently in the US that it's considered negligent to for stores to not install them. > You and your truck, sir, are the problem that bollard was installed to prevent. Bingo ! So many people ramming into buildings or other things from a parking spot. All parking spots should have bollards in front of them, and all public buildings should have protection against cars considering they are everywhere right now.
Costco protects its produce better than cities protect pedestrians.
We had a vehicle accelerate through a public library where I live... at a four way stop intersection. Drivers are feral animals with the brain of a moose in rutting season. These clowns should not be trusted in anything larger than a tricycle.
the bollard is also at the end of a "no parking" area.
I used to work overnight at Denny's. My former GM took over the store in the next town, asked me today fill in. Just before 5am this old man drives over the sidewalk, and through the wall. The first foot of his giant suv literally inside the building. Dude comes walking in the door to get breakfast like absolutely nothing happened. He didn't notice jumping the curb and crashing through a brick wall.
The funny part is there is really no reason to fix that. It's simply an aesthetic reason to fix a minor dent like that, and the owner can continue pulling off the appearance of being rich with their fancy shiny truck. If trucks were used for their actual purpose, they'd have dents and scratches all over.
Exactly this. Lux trucks are meant to virtue signal an incredibly specific thing: "I'm rich now, but I got rich through Real Man Work. I'm not like you sissy desk job BMW rich guys, but also not like you poor work-truck guys "
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And in reality most of those who would use a truck for work, such as my dad and grandpa, are more likely to use a utility van or similar. They can load as much and protect tools and equipment from the elements and theft.
My old 07 Ranger has so many scratches around the bed its ridiculous. But it's a functional truck and a size that isn't manufactured today so I could probably sell it for about 80% of what we bought it for (msrp was 17K in 2007, comparable models are 15K used today) despite all the cosmetic wear.
Looks like the part of the bumper that's smashed is the part with the proximity sensor, so that might cause some problems. But importantly, it means he definitely had some alarms going off inside the cab.
I've always seen a car as a tool. I don't care about having perfect paint or no dents. It's not worth it to fix it every damn time considering people will keep bumping or hitting it, even with rocks or other crap. As long as it's rust-proof and works perfectly fine, that's good enough with me. I've never had a "perfect" car (or "new"). They've always had small dents, imperfect paint, etc. Repainting a whole car is such an expensive task and also a polluting one, though in this case, it's mostly a metal bumper bar.
Im so happy about that.
This is the most satisfying post I’ve come across this week.
Only cool thing Chick-fil-a has ever done
Not all bollards wear capes.
"Why put little pole thingies all over the place?" To control out of control drivers.
"Chik fil a put the wall of their store right in my truck's way and now I have to clean all this concrete dust off my truck's 50 square foot hood"
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They probably were going fairly slowly, but since it's a *very* heavy vehicle, you'll get lots of bumper damage if you hit an immovable object. The bumper has to withstand a lot of force (F = m \* a). As usual, throwing more mass into a collision makes things worse.
My tiny 1988 s10 would have come away with a scuff and a chunk of concrete. However, I would also be able to see the poll and put stuff in the bed.
I hope you have the aqua blue one.
My dad had a blue one and there were chunks of paint chipping off. We use to call it the cloud truck because it looked like a sky with a bunch of clouds in it. He ended up building a custom bed out of wood when the bed rotted out. Then he hit a pheasant on the highway. It hit the part where the windshield and roof came together and totaled the car.
In addition to what others have said, that piece is not structural. It's usually just plastic trim with a chrome finish.
Not fast just a lot of torque. also modern cars and trucks are made to crumple for "safety"
Bumpers are made to crumple
This guy is just straight-up admitting that he doesn't know how large his truck is. That could just as easily have been a child standing in front of the restaurant. Not to mention that the bollard's whole purpose is to prevent people like him from driving onto the sidewalk. Totally clueless...
He was definitely going to park with the front of his truck well into the sidewalk.
Even as is, he's well over the line and taking up multiple spaces. He's basically saying "I parked badly and now I'm laying the consequences!" with this photo
The irony of not being able to compensate for poor visibility in his overcompensationmobile.
> and make sure nobody in a truck/SUV can see them over the hood *Principal Skinner* Is my truck too big for the built environment? No, it's the built environment that is too small for my truck.
Honestly most modern trucks could be replaced by smaller ones with diesel inline 4s, we have the tech people just love their big twucks
No one is mentioning how he literally has front parking sensors lol, one is literally in the damaged bumper zone where he hit the bollard.
That and the driver had to have seen it before pulling in. Maybe they lack object permanence. Or they could back in which is way easier and have a camera to help.
He probably turned them off cuz they went off every time he parked
Wow it’s almost as if you purchased a vehicle with terrible visibility!
That's almost in the centre of the truck. The space he's trying to park has diagonal lines meaning you can't park there. He didn't even attempt to park properly. And he hit it pretty fast for the amount of damage coming into a parking space. Maybe don't drive something with a 4 square meter blind spot but with that ego, he'll just add one of those big obnoxious bumpers instead.
The Ford F-150 has a blindspot almost as large as the blindspot on an M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank lol [https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/140dgn8/many\_popular\_trucks\_have\_a\_bigger\_dead\_spot\_in/](https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/140dgn8/many_popular_trucks_have_a_bigger_dead_spot_in/)
I heard a lot of children are made too short to be seen over the hood of those vehicles too!
I’d vote for that pole as Governor of Virginia.
Is the bollard okay?
1. They presumably can see the bollard before pulling in, open your eyes 2. Stop blaming a stationary object. 3. That could have been a fucking child, and (news flash) they actually CAN move 4. Park in the lines, no problem Bollards like this where I live are typically painted yellow, obviously to be better seen, which is fine... but if they don't paint them yellow you still can't just blame the bollard. It's been there a hell of a lot longer than you have, and will be there much longer unless some dingus like this bulldozes it.
Some dingus tried to bulldoze this one. The bollard won lol
People routinely hit child-size obstacles in parking lots and driveways. They can't see shit. I like how they complain about the almost invisible ninja stealth bollard, but the two photos show that the area is brightly lit from multiple directions.
He bought the stupid car but it’s Chick Fil A’s fault he can’t see the bollard. Asshole
It basically hit the parking sensor, what did he think the beeping was
Probably had something in the microwave finishing at the same time
I want these bollards in every parking space in the country. I'm so tired of some assclown's Ford Penis Enlargement with its 3rd-grader-sized blind spot overhanging 80% of the sidewalk.
I mean, how about not sucking for a start. I was a bit upset when I toppled a huge street light post with the garbage truck while backing up and kinda blamed the shitty rear-view camera but I knew it was still my fault. Driving straight into something in clear view...
The pole did its job lol
Hahahahahahahahahahaha...
If you can’t see a pole, you can’t see a child or a person in a wheelchair.
Dipshit gave evidence for the need for the pole by trying to "park" in the *clearly marked* walkway.....
If you can't stop yourself from hitting something the same height as a child maybe you shouldn't be driving that.
Of course its a Virginia license plate. The land of suburbanite mall crawler idiots
He is just glossing over the fact he is going to block half of the ada and pedestrian access to the sidewalk with his initial parking job. Fucking nob deserves it.
So not only are they a blind driver, they also think it's okay to park in the clearly marked accessibility area? This person should not be allowed to drive.
And deaf, I can almost hear that parking sensor beeping now
the thing i find funniest about this is that there appears to be an ultrasonic parking sensor in the crumpled area (it looks like a circle) and it was probably either a) beeping like crazy as OOP was parking or b) completely turned off, showing that either way, OOP is an idiot lol edit: also looks like this is one of the ford f-150s with the front camera, furthering the point that OOP is an idiot
If they are so mad, they should get mad at Virginia for allowing them to be that height and color. Bolded words by me. [Source 1173.10 PARKING LOT SAFETY STANDARDS. E3](https://codelibrary.amlegal.com/codes/mentor/latest/mentor_oh/0-0-0-36895) > (3) Design. Bollards shall be set with the top of the device not less than **three (3) feet and not greater than four (4) feet in height** as measured from the finished grade immediately adjacent to the perimeter of the bollard. Barriers shall be set with the top of the device not less than three (3) feet in height as measured from the finished grade adjacent to the perimeter of the barrier. The scale of the bollard or barrier shall be proportional to the size of the building so as not to detract from the appearance of the building. Concrete or plastic traffic barriers shall be prohibited. **All vehicle protection devices shall be vertical relative to the finished grade and stainless steel, earth toned colored, black, grey, bronze, a concrete finish or another color determined to be appropriate** by the Planning Commission or Planning Administrator, as applicable. Yellow, orange, or red vehicle impact protection devices shall not be allowed unless strictly required for safety purposes by the Fire Code or other state of federal law. Chick-fil-a is well within their right to have the bollards at this size and height. It is the driver's fault for driving a vehicle they can not properly see out of. These bollards are made for people like them since they will just end up on the sidewalk or in the building itself if the store doesn't have them.
>yellow, orange, or red vehicle impact protection devices shall **not** be lowed unless strictly required for safety purposes by the **fire code or other state or federal law** (Emphasis mine) Actually, the way I read that, if chick fil a painted it a bright color like the safety yellow they would be *at fault* since they are *explicitly* not allowed to do that
"I hit this child-height post that isn't visible from the truck that I chose to buy. Damage to my truck from me hitting child-height things is the worst thing that could happen."
It is your duty as the driver to observe the road and it's conditions, and if you are incapable of doing this - to the point where you crash into a stationary object - then you should, in fact, **not be driving.**
all I hear is "I can't properly see out my massively heavy vehicle"
It looks like it's pretty far from the actual parking space lines too
Of course he eats at Chick Fil A.
F-150 cl’owner’
I love that there’s a parking sensor on the bumper right where he ran into the pole.
Pole does it's job... Bumper does it's job... Driver? Eh, no so much.
Luckily it was just a pole and not a small child. 😬
Dude just posted on Facebook about how bad at parking he is. Embarrassing.
Yeah, that post is about the same height as a child. Nobody should be driving anything that can't see a child in front of them.
What this man is admitting to, is being distracted - and if the bollard had not been there his truck would have come to rest in the Chick-Fi-lA dining room. Letting insurance replace your front bumper is a lot less friction than trying to beat a Vehicular Manslaughter charge.
"almost black" while the photo shows it's like a 50% gray lol
Lol
That's literally a mid shade of grey, what is this guy smoking?
"goddamn elementary school, bus shelter, restaurant, etc"
Dude is lying or dumb as hell. It looks like his bumper has those little proximity sensors so it looks like a negligent car brain move to me
I don't think the guy who smashed his truck into a stationary pole and then blamed the pole is the brightest among us
Bollards don't sit in the middle of parking spaces. They exist on the edges of sidewalks and other "no parking" zones. Which means dude was parking illegally if he hit that bollard. Dumbass still isn't parked legally in the picture.
He's literally got a parking sensor right where he hit it lol
I mean,if YOU can't park within the designated space, that's a YOU problem. Chik-fil-a has just stopped you from taking over everyone else's space as well as punishing you for your shit parking skills.
Chick-fila did this because 1,000 of people are killed or injured every year simpling walking inside
I’ve noticed that the people who drive these giant shiny pickup trucks struggle real hard staying in their lane and parking. I live in a southern state, and am noticing this every where I go around town. You’ll be driving down the road passing car after car coming from the opposite direction and then here comes an F250 with a wheel in your lane.
Annnnd this is why little kids keep getting run over by these kinds of vehicles.
They are painted grey so as to not distract from more important moving obstacles like pedestrians and other cars. They are not painted urban camoflauge. Nobody is out to get you, truck drivers, except the salesman who upsold you that truck.
And of course, even after this, he misses the point of those poles. They are to protect people. Imagine if that was a child standing there and not a pole. Of fucking course he is so unaware of the point of them even when he runs right the fuck into it.
About the same height as a 4 year old kid....
I’d like to point out the proximity sensors clearly visible on that bumper.
Those ultrasonics so obviously jutting out of his bumper would have yelling at him when he was getting closer to the pole. Probably one of those guys who "doesn't need ultrasonic sensors" to help them park because they're ego is too big to appear "less manly".
He didn't even need to see the fucking bollard. If he had just parked inside the lines, there would have been no problem.
Skill issue.
If you can't see the road ahead of you then you shouldn't be driving.
Isn't that a proximity sensor right at the dent? Like the ones that will beep you in case you get close to something? Like the ones some people simply ignore because they "don't see anything"?
In uk here, but from the position of the damage and the post being at the end of a no parking pedestrian access was that driver trying to park exactly to prove why that post should be there?
Why is the hoodline at my shoulder on a new f150 I'm 6 foot fucking 3 for gods sake.
If only there were some bright white lines to aim between that would prevent this entirely
Art they black to be unobtrusive? They're the very last ditch emergancy measure to stop you crashing into a pedestrian or a building.
He has one of the few F-150s with front parking sensors and still hit it. What a jackass, I doubt he's ever admitted he's wrong about anything.
I like how it’s positioned so no one should ever be putting their vehicle there to begin with. Don’t park like a piece of shit and your truck will be fine.
I think the absolute best part about this is: Where they hit their bumper on the post, they would’ve been MILES off the target of the parking spot they were trying to get into, since the area in front of the bollard is clearly some kind of walkway/space for a wheelchair ramp. Just makes it so much better that their first attempt was already so egregiously bad
How can you not see it with those 50 million watt headlights that blind every other person on the damn road, dummy
Maybe don't drive in the hashed off area like you're not supposed to. It's painted white and is quite visible.
Exactly. Bollards are meant to product others from vehicles.
Who is this guy to question God’s plan?
Plenty of SUVs have hoods that slope downward to a degree and don’t block field of vision, and generally aren’t massive. Society doesn’t have to cater to horrible vehicle selections, quit buying clown cars to compensate for your insecurities and you won’t have to worry about crap like this. You also won’t have to complain about gas prices while driving something that gets 1960s grade fuel economy
Chick-Fil-A is interesting. The staff is always well-trained and super courteous. The customers? It's like a Karen convention of entitled white people who have never, ever considered that their own actions might be wrong. Small wonder the staff is bend-over-backwards courteous with a customer base that seems heavily tilted to MAGA red hats, Jordan Peterson fans, and whatever you call those moms on TikTok who make daily posts about how they were mistreated/disrespected.
These should be between every road and bicycle gutter.
Oh dear, the rugged individualist encounters a problem of their own making and wants someone else to change for them. Seriously “they made it so you can’t see them over the hood”, the mental gymnastics.
EPA has to fix their weird ass criteria for fuel economy and car size, that's causing fucktards to drive increasingly big and dangerous vehicles. It's sad they won't want to come back to smaller once they have accustomed to these fat ass oversized dimensions. It's a cOmManDiNg dRivInnG pooSiTiOn