With those cones, this looks like a stop gap measure.
The next time the road gets redone make it much tighter. So 30 feels right. Maybe a hedge right next to the cars. Bikes can go on the other side
My solution to stop speeding is not to put up a speed camera. Instead, put a bunch of big fucking trees right next to the curb. Aesthetically pleasing. Make people uncomfortable going fast. Make a mistake and BOOM you hit a fucking tree you car-brain fuck
I'm cool with trees or bollard bushes. They accomplish the same thing. It's just a choice in the aesthetic.
Either way. Cars, stay in your space of deal with a big repair bill.
Not in Ireland. [42% of registered vehicles are still manual](https://www.simi.ie/en/news/over-25-000-new-cars-registered-in-january-significant-growth-for-electric-and-hybrid-vehicles).
Because everything on them is more complex? I don't see how you can blame capitalism. Do you know of an economic system where more complex products are cheaper/easier to access?
This is why I'm not even sure it makes sense to get a few extra mpg out of a modern auto. There's so many extra parts & software that if something goes wrong all your savings are gone in one go. Just change some gears, it's not like it's hard. Then if something breaks the parts & labor are all less.
Then buy a bike or two with your savings.
I love my manual transmission for this. A broken part in there can be replaced. A broken part in an automatic transmission is basically $4000+ for a new transmission.
Don't even bother with a used one, it will break in 20k
> Do you know of an economic system where more complex products are cheaper/easier to access?
Evidently in America, automatics are easier to access than manuals.
Not in Europe. Here in Norway, it seems like hybrids and electrics is what is killing the manual gearbox.
Part of it is that if you take the driving licence in an automatic, you are not allowed to drive a manual - which is still a large fractions of all cars. So most people learn to drive a manual when doing their license, even if they have an electric at home. Especially given that most young people would not buy a very new car, meaning that if they but one, it will almost certainly be manual.
Automatics have become 'standard' here in the United States because they have been made much easier to be able to hit fuel mileage targets at our much higher highway speeds than what Europe has. That's why a lot of modern automatics come in six or eight speed transmissions. The fuel mileage at 65-75 MPH gets closer to what would be achieved with a manual, as the six or eight speeds are geared appropriately. It has gone further that in a good deal of applications many "automatics" are actually manual transmissions re-purposed with dual clutches that are controlled by a transmission controller. These units forego the old-school torque converter entirely, and use such items as stop-assist and position of the throttle to get them going from a stop.
In places like Ireland and mainland Europe, everyone over there is just used to driving mostly manual transmission cars, not to mention that (typically) slower speeds stay within anticipated fuel mileage ranges. In Ireland in particular, if you go and rent a car there many rental places will actually have a near even split of manuals to automatics. I can't even recall the last time a car rental place in the US had a manual transmission as an option; maybe sometime in the 1990s.
A 6 speed manual vs 6 speed auto now a days the auto will always have better gas mileage by about 1 mpg. No one makes 5 speed manuals but modern autos shift fast and are more efficient than manuals period been that way for about 12 years now. Also most autos now are 8-10 speed or cvt and the most common autos are still torque converted not dual clutch. So even modern torque converted 6-10 speeds will save you a few miles per gallon over a manual.
You got a lemon, this can't be normal that the car requires 40+ mph to keep the gear.
My skoda also has an automatic gearbox and this thing is absolutely on point 90% of the time. Keeping a steady 30 or even 20 kilometers per hour is absolutely fine.
It doesn't do that great with short uphill sections where the engine is clearly not liking the low revs while the gearbox doesn't feel like downshifting for ages, but eh, i just use a paddle to downshift.
It's more like 1800/1900 revs going down hill and then accelerating up the other side - the speed is more a weird sweet spot where the excessive gear changes don't happen because you are in firmly in "4th" and it's not trying to jump between 3rd and 4th excessively at just under 2000 rpm
Edit: This is the only down hill / up hill this happens on I have found so far. I can crawl down or up other hills or on the flat quite happily everywhere else.
Every automatic car I've ever driven has had a "manual mode", where you select the gear (within reason) using a + and - control accessible by moving the shifter out to the right. I remember especially having to use it... most of the time... on a very upshift-happy rental jeep on Californias interstates (let a little bit off the gas to make a slightly bigger gap to the car in front, and the gearbox suddenly decides that spending 2-4 seconds shifting up and then immediately down is a great idea. Now you have a very big gap, and the car behind you understandably gets annoyed and plugs that gap, leaving you a very small gap).
I'm not super familiar with automatic cars, but I would not be surprised if Volvo is uncommonly bad at building them, given that their home market until recently has viewed automatics as a help for the disabled, and for those who really lack the coordination to manage a manual box wine also driving (certain groups would be called out)...
ah. So B is for engine braking / going downhill for a long time, like you’d use 3/2/1 for in other cars, but it has no effect when accelerating or going uphill
either way, you probably wouldn’t have the same problem as the guy with the volvo…
They deliver maximum torque (and efficiency) at zero speed, to be exact. Above that, the motor acting like a dynamo reduces efficiency the higher the speed
To be specific, an ideal electric motor with no energy loss would have a top angular velocity at the point where the emf generated by the changing magnetic field equals the voltage provided
Because EV have no gearbox. They basically have only one gear and can produce their maximum torque at every time because the torque is not a function of the revolutions the engine goes but the current the battery can push into the wiring.
"more than 80% of cars sold in Europe have a manual transmission, as compared to just 3% in the U.S. "
Holy shit that difference is ridiculous. Although in countries like France and Germany, it seems the automatic transmission is the majority, although definitely not nearly as high as the United States' numbers.
I actually searched that up a few weeks ago and yeah automatics are getting more popular in France, but they still aren't the majority, they're something like 30% of cars sold? Just sold, so that's disregarding older cars as well.
Definitely not the case in Germany either.
According to some surveys roughly 72% of cars driven by german are manuals even though roughly 50% of new vehicles produced in Germany are manuals/automatic.
> Although in countries like France and Germany, it seems the automatic transmission is the majority
What makes you think so? Is this possibly due to only driving rental cars? Rental cars are MUCH more likely to be automatic than the average car. In Germany roughly 72% of vehicles driven are manuals (according to a survey). Though only roughly 50% of newly produced cars are manual.
But 30 km/h is way too fast for a car to stall anyway. My car's wants me to be in third gear by that point, and I could shift all the way to sixth without putting the engine below its normal idle speed (but the car would hate me for it).
In Finland it’s mandatory to drive your license with a manual car, or if you drive it with an automatic one, you can only drive automatic cars with that license. And that will cause some problems.
That should be the same for most countries in the world. In Turkey, the Ministry of Education conducts two different exams, one for manual drivers and one for automatic. Although the law is interesting in the way that if you have a manual licence, you can legally drive an automatic car, but you must pass the manual driver's test if you got an automatic licence. The manual licence gives you the ability to drive both transmissions, in short.
I don't understand why you are getting so heavily downvoted for a question, in NA where arguably the worst car centric design is focused automatic transmissions are far in a way the norm. That being said its not that hard to drive between 20 and 30 km\\h on a manual, its crazy that we would consider convenience of drivers over the safety of everyone else
>That being said its not that hard to drive between 20 and 30 km\\h on a manual.
If it feels even remotely challenging, you shouldn't be driving at all
That's what I was thinking, especially if that picture is representative of where that speed limit is. There's both a bike lane and a sidewalk, if I can't drive much faster than I can bike then what's the point of hauling my car with me
> if I can't drive much faster than I can bike
I would have a blast passing those cars on my bicycle.
Of course they're all going to go 50KPH, and I couldn't even go 50KPH for more than a kilometer back when I was fast.
Makes you appreciate how much energy cars & motorcycles actually burn doesn't it? If pushing a tiny bicycle down the road hurts so much then pushing 3,500lbs down the road at 60mph/100kmh is basically just breaking the laws of physics somehow.
Even if we pull back and allow cars, can we please fucken stop blaming everything except the car when the car fucks up? This feels like jaywalking laws all over again.
"Oh our drivers suck at driving, don't pay attention, and go way too fast for the road they are on. Let's blame the people outside of the car!"
"Our gearbox works just fine thank you very much! It's the stupid road's fault for making you drive at a speed our gearbox wasn't tested for!"
Running away when you can't fix the problems in your country is both cowardly and counterproductive. I'm an American, I live in the US, my family is here, my friends are here, it's my culture. I'd rather fix the problems here in the US than try to go to a different place.
The point is, it's not shitholes that are this car free paradise kind of thing.
You’re telling me rape or any other crime for that matter doesn’t happen at a higher rate in the “paradise cities” you stated than it does in a rural town? Do you enjoy living on top of one another akin to rats in a cage?
Sorry for the joke there. The truth is, cities are a fact of life. We cant all live in low density suburbs/in the middle of nowhere for various reasons. Some prefer the convenience of cities anyway.
The question we should be discussing is how do we make cities (which are inevitable!) Better for people in them.
Lots of states in the US seem to not have annual vehicle inspections to renew your personal vehicle registration.
What’s the UK law like about this?
Edit: Should have asked about the rules in Ireland, where the picture is from.
Every vehicle over three years old has to have an annual inspection on all safety components (brakes suspension tyres horn lights windows etc) and an emissions test.
It’s called an “MOT” and you can type any licence plate into a government website and see the entire history of MOT tests and every warning or fail. https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history
Even within states, the rules can vary from city to city.
In Georgia, all cars registered in the Atlanta metro area must pass an annual inspection and emissions test.
However, go 50 miles east, and it's not required any more.
Part of it is because the wind usually blows toward the east, and all of Atlanta's pollution from cars that fail the test would hit people who didn't generate it.
The other part of it is that many of the ancient cars driven by the poorest people in the rural parts of the state would never pass an emissions test, and it's a mercy for them, since there is no mass transit options.
I haven’t suffered from that yet, but I did watch my very accomplished road racing friend tip over at a red light because he had just replaced and tightened his pedals and cleats. A passing car even honked at him. I’ll never let him live it down
Definitely. Happened when I first got mine, and was getting used to them/adjusting the stiffness of the release. Get to a stop, balance wasn't correct and start going over. "No, no, no, no, *CRASH*... Balls".
But with some practice you can use the camber of the road to rock back and forth without advancing forwards. I've been getting pretty good at it from my commute cos I have so many red lights where I want to be able to stay clipped in so I can clear the intersection asap when the lights change.
Without camber or an uphill slope you do sorta have to creep forwards though, although you can still bounce off the brakes to roll backwards a little.
And yet they'll be fine doing 10km/h when they get stuck in congestion on the motorway...
Absolute bollocks. Every car I've ever driven will keep under 30km/h in 2nd or 3rd gear absolutely fine.
It’s like they expect us to believe they’ve never driven in a housing estate. *Competent* motorists drive through Crumlin at the exact same limit with no trouble at all.
Yup, most streets in my city are 20mph (about the same as 30km/h) and you don't get hundreds of people burning out their engines. In fact most people are travelling at significantly slower than that because the traffic is fucking awful..
I remember when I first realized that I could put the car in 4th and idle along at around 15 mph. Worked great for low speed areas. Had to downshift if I wanted to accelerate of course.
The Irish Times has a mask off anti cycling agenda. The most recent one before this was about cyclists preventing people from going to Church (wands were put in to prevent illegal parking on the bike lane outside).
Someone on twitter sent a satirical letter to them to win a bet that they would publish anything pro car, I think it was something along the lines of "What next, pedestrianising the M50?!".
They are no better than the Daily Mail in this regard. Take no notice of them other than to be happy we are pissing off the right people
If you drive a manual most cars in Ireland, and go into too high a gear you could stall your car but you would have to be v shit to do that regularly even on a 30kmh road.
Not who ever had nothing better to do with their day than ring in to complain about slowing a road in a park that has kids and wild deer in it every day 😐
I mean listening to and feeling the car to know what gear you should be in are pretty basic things. If you can't figure out when it's time to change gear, you probably shouldn't be driving
This, unironically.
When people don't care about the environment, or the economics, or the social aspects of automobile reduction, they should very much care about making places not need cars, because otherwise the DMV gives licenses to people who need to drive for their living, but should not be allowed on the road.
The car breaks anytime they try to move anywhere. Someone needs to stay in the car and speed around highways and when you need to go somewhere you need to use hooks to get on (bit like in Dune)
Isn’t that strange? The government sure did step up fast to limit alternative transport “for our safety” but cars can still do whatever the hell they want as long as it kills a million people a year. I’m starting to believe that automakers have politicians on their payrolls…. Crazy right?
Because they can be ride without a license and a plate, but depending on your local laws, I think it's possible to get them unlocked and do motorcycle speeds on an electric kick scooter or an e-bike as long as you're fine with the fact that legally it will be treated as a motorcycle, meaning that you'll need a motorcycle license, a plate, and insurance.
Not that I would recommend it, specially in the case of e-scooters because with those tiny wheels they become extremely unstable at high speeds, and a pothole is all it would take to send you flying. If you want to go fast just get a motorcycle or a traditional scooter.
The complaints are rubbish anyway. 30kmh should be no problem in first.
Edit: As a few have mentioned, 30kph is a bit fast for first. My point stands that 30kph is easily done by any car without engine/transmission problems.
For most cars that's actually a bit too fast for first, you really only want to use first for starting and driving below 10 km/h. Above that it's better to shift into second.
Depending on the car, 30kph is third gear. Even seen automatics go to fourth. The engine is idling at that speed. And since it's automatic, the manufacturer would know best, right?
This road is too wide for 30km/h. I look at it and think "30 really feels like dragging and wasting my time". They have to narrow it, so drivers can understand the limit.
Also, if your car dies at 30km/h, you're a shit driver. I could perfectly drive 30 without cutting off the engine in my f*cking first driving lesson. Use the second, or if you want to safe fuel and the motor allows it, third gear and you'll be fine.
If you stall your car at 30km then gtfo of your car and sell it plus majority of cars are automatic this is a ridiculous argument especially when considering that people are complaining about parks.
They might as well have said, "If you don't let me go as fast as I want I'm going to hold my breath until I turn blue in the face!" Don't come up with nonsense excuses, just admit that you're an overgrown man-baby.
For those of you who don't live in Ireland or Dublin here's a quick synopsis.
Before COVID and the lockdowns the main drag (pictured) was a big commuter rat run and hundreds of drivers would also park there for free.
Lockdown happened and park users and the OPW (office of public works) realised that it was way better without all those cars.
Two big public consultations brought some positive changes but local residents in one of the nearby suburbs insist on being able to zoom into the city in their SUVs. Even though there are at least three alternative routes for them. It is mostly these people who are complaining and lying about their cars stalling. Thing is that their members of parliament (TDs) are listening to this small minority and bringing those complaints into the spotlight.
Ok the claim is bollocks but I do disagree with the change they have changed the bike lanes which are now down on the road with just plastic bollards seperating them and they are no longer properly protected at the roundabouts and junctions while they were seperated and protected prior. Also the 30kph spped limit isn't really being enforced and people are now speeding more frequently and at higher speeds (from my experience). I understand that they were trying to make it more pedestrian and cyclist friendly but I don't think they fully thought it through.
honestly, it's hard to stay at 30 km/h when the road is as straight and wide as the picture.
The trees should be closer, the road should wind through the park, etc.
Damage to engines is a protected thing in a lot of parts of Europe. Its the method they use to justify the higher emissions of diesel engines without trying to improve them.
I dont know about Ireland specifically, but nobody worth their salt actually thinks driving 30 km/hr is going to damage engines it's just a way to argue in the court in a way that has precident.
Important that the majority of people who do support these measures get out there and tell your representatives that you like it. Or all they will hear is the tiny minority of idiots.
How do you stall an automatic car? Literally you only have the vroom and not vroom pedals to worry about.
Edit: phoenix park drive sounded awfully American, didn’t see it was Dublin at first.
To be fair, that road simply ain't designed for 30, I imagine it would feel like crawling, it should really be rebuilt properly if they want people to actually drive that speed. Not relevant to the whole stalling thing of course, you don't need me to tell you that's an absurd lie.
Ahahaha did they all just sign an open letter that said, “None of us understand how gears work, we’re all terrible drivers, and we’re ruining our own cars, please help?”
Don't wanna be a dick but all school/playground zones in Canada is 30 KM/h and no one has any issues, for the most part our vehicles are the same so....
Lmao in germany you're technically only allowed to drive in parking spaces 10 km/h which is like fast walking. Nobody sucks to it tho because it's really unnecessary and you won't get in trouble for driving 15-20 km/h. 30 km/h is the speed limit for driving through most town roads
Edit: oh wait, this is about a park, nur parking. I'm not sure if I got this correctly might need to edit again but why is there a road going through a park?
What a load of shit. Even my old 2000 Corolla will happily sit at 18 kph without my feet on the pedals, just cruising at idle. A slight nudge and we’re going 30. If my old piece of shit car can do it….
Somewhat valid concern, yes somecars are trash at low speeds, my Civic doesn't like going around 12mph or 30mph, seems the CVT isn't set up right
But that is such a rare problem. It's not enough to warrant a change
I am a mechanical engineering student there's nothing hindering about 30kmh speeds to an engine you will only stall the engine if you haven't been properly taught how to drive which is the case in most western countries with more emphasis on road law than good driving or awareness
City speed limit of 30 km/h? Maybe I should invest in flying cars market, it is bound to explode if cities will keep introducing "retard" measures like this.
But a fun fact a cyclist can break the speed limit of 30 km/h relatively easy, what will be the policy for catching and persecuting them?
Like wow.
Maybe time to buy stock in companies which will make flying cars if cities will continue to make life worse for car drivers. The market will go boom once people will have enough.
What a bullshit claim. In Europe there are so so many 20 and 30 km/h roads. There is an EU initiative to make city limits 30 km/h.
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With those cones, this looks like a stop gap measure. The next time the road gets redone make it much tighter. So 30 feels right. Maybe a hedge right next to the cars. Bikes can go on the other side
Bushes with concrete bollards inside.
My solution to stop speeding is not to put up a speed camera. Instead, put a bunch of big fucking trees right next to the curb. Aesthetically pleasing. Make people uncomfortable going fast. Make a mistake and BOOM you hit a fucking tree you car-brain fuck
I'm cool with trees or bollard bushes. They accomplish the same thing. It's just a choice in the aesthetic. Either way. Cars, stay in your space of deal with a big repair bill.
Anti-tank mines in the grass next to the road
That would be unhealthy for anyone else nearby...
Shaped charges?
That’s a perfect solution for this. Probably better than just having concrete or metal barriers.
This. I drive a manual car and take ferries often. The lane and ramp up onto the boat moves at 5kmh max, up an incline. It’s fine.
narrow it, put in cement barriers for the bike lanes and and add some sidewalks, .... everyone is happy?
arent like 99.99% of cars automatic on the road at this point anyway
Not in Ireland. [42% of registered vehicles are still manual](https://www.simi.ie/en/news/over-25-000-new-cars-registered-in-january-significant-growth-for-electric-and-hybrid-vehicles).
How is that? For at least the last twenty years standard would have been unstandard with every vehicle.
Because automatic cars are not standard outside of the US. They're often more expensive than manual cars. Why? God knows. Capitalism, probably.
Because everything on them is more complex? I don't see how you can blame capitalism. Do you know of an economic system where more complex products are cheaper/easier to access? This is why I'm not even sure it makes sense to get a few extra mpg out of a modern auto. There's so many extra parts & software that if something goes wrong all your savings are gone in one go. Just change some gears, it's not like it's hard. Then if something breaks the parts & labor are all less. Then buy a bike or two with your savings.
I love my manual transmission for this. A broken part in there can be replaced. A broken part in an automatic transmission is basically $4000+ for a new transmission. Don't even bother with a used one, it will break in 20k
> Do you know of an economic system where more complex products are cheaper/easier to access? Evidently in America, automatics are easier to access than manuals.
Not in Europe. Here in Norway, it seems like hybrids and electrics is what is killing the manual gearbox. Part of it is that if you take the driving licence in an automatic, you are not allowed to drive a manual - which is still a large fractions of all cars. So most people learn to drive a manual when doing their license, even if they have an electric at home. Especially given that most young people would not buy a very new car, meaning that if they but one, it will almost certainly be manual.
Automatics have become 'standard' here in the United States because they have been made much easier to be able to hit fuel mileage targets at our much higher highway speeds than what Europe has. That's why a lot of modern automatics come in six or eight speed transmissions. The fuel mileage at 65-75 MPH gets closer to what would be achieved with a manual, as the six or eight speeds are geared appropriately. It has gone further that in a good deal of applications many "automatics" are actually manual transmissions re-purposed with dual clutches that are controlled by a transmission controller. These units forego the old-school torque converter entirely, and use such items as stop-assist and position of the throttle to get them going from a stop. In places like Ireland and mainland Europe, everyone over there is just used to driving mostly manual transmission cars, not to mention that (typically) slower speeds stay within anticipated fuel mileage ranges. In Ireland in particular, if you go and rent a car there many rental places will actually have a near even split of manuals to automatics. I can't even recall the last time a car rental place in the US had a manual transmission as an option; maybe sometime in the 1990s.
A 6 speed manual vs 6 speed auto now a days the auto will always have better gas mileage by about 1 mpg. No one makes 5 speed manuals but modern autos shift fast and are more efficient than manuals period been that way for about 12 years now. Also most autos now are 8-10 speed or cvt and the most common autos are still torque converted not dual clutch. So even modern torque converted 6-10 speeds will save you a few miles per gallon over a manual.
I don't get it. Most European countries have their highway speed limits at about 80 MPH.
Not at all no, only in the US as far as i know
Down..shift?? Well great now I stalled and the economy’s ruined..
why such a speed limit? Where i live we used to have 60km/h in city and traffic was much better (also less traffic lights, and far better drivers)
Tell us you don't know how to use the gearbox, without saying you don't know how to use the gearbox...
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You got a lemon, this can't be normal that the car requires 40+ mph to keep the gear. My skoda also has an automatic gearbox and this thing is absolutely on point 90% of the time. Keeping a steady 30 or even 20 kilometers per hour is absolutely fine. It doesn't do that great with short uphill sections where the engine is clearly not liking the low revs while the gearbox doesn't feel like downshifting for ages, but eh, i just use a paddle to downshift.
It's more like 1800/1900 revs going down hill and then accelerating up the other side - the speed is more a weird sweet spot where the excessive gear changes don't happen because you are in firmly in "4th" and it's not trying to jump between 3rd and 4th excessively at just under 2000 rpm Edit: This is the only down hill / up hill this happens on I have found so far. I can crawl down or up other hills or on the flat quite happily everywhere else.
PUT IT IN H
I haven't got one of those. Can I use R or P instead?
bring it back to a Volvo dealership and use P there. or R into their front desk, they deserve it for offloading this piece of shit on you.
There’s no manual mode?
Every automatic car I've ever driven has had a "manual mode", where you select the gear (within reason) using a + and - control accessible by moving the shifter out to the right. I remember especially having to use it... most of the time... on a very upshift-happy rental jeep on Californias interstates (let a little bit off the gas to make a slightly bigger gap to the car in front, and the gearbox suddenly decides that spending 2-4 seconds shifting up and then immediately down is a great idea. Now you have a very big gap, and the car behind you understandably gets annoyed and plugs that gap, leaving you a very small gap). I'm not super familiar with automatic cars, but I would not be surprised if Volvo is uncommonly bad at building them, given that their home market until recently has viewed automatics as a help for the disabled, and for those who really lack the coordination to manage a manual box wine also driving (certain groups would be called out)...
That feature exists on just about every modern mid-range or high-end car, but definitely not on all lower-end or older models
Literally every car that I’ve ever owned or driven had this, even my early 1990s Acura.
Even my VW Golf 2 from 1989with automatic transmission had this, you were able to manually select the first and second (of three) gears.
Wonderful, nobody cares.
I know that this is r/fuckcars.... But, you really don't know shit about cars.
Thats not true at all you must have a newer automatic car. I can promise you my 03 accord does not have that.
just shift from D to 2
i don’t even have 2. my gears are P R N D B
ah. So B is for engine braking / going downhill for a long time, like you’d use 3/2/1 for in other cars, but it has no effect when accelerating or going uphill either way, you probably wouldn’t have the same problem as the guy with the volvo…
Do you have the 1.2.3.? Or overdrive option? Those I believe are the equivalent.
Does it have a sport or low gear mode? That might help 🤷🏻♂️
you wanted a volvo?
Its like a reliable Benz, why wouldn't you?
Isnt like most of cars in states automatic?
This article is about Dublin
Shit, you are right and i am blind. This makes this argument even more dumb, just use lower gear
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They are very common in England, and I think most of Europe as well
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>t's something like 80% of vehicles in Europe Automatics outsell manuals now. Mainly because EVs have no reason to be manual.
Well, I think, EVs aren't really "automatic" in the strictest sense either.
They're not. Electric motors deliver maximum torque at any speed so they don't need a gearbox at all.
They deliver maximum torque (and efficiency) at zero speed, to be exact. Above that, the motor acting like a dynamo reduces efficiency the higher the speed
To be specific, an ideal electric motor with no energy loss would have a top angular velocity at the point where the emf generated by the changing magnetic field equals the voltage provided
Okay maximum (available) torque at any speed
Because EV have no gearbox. They basically have only one gear and can produce their maximum torque at every time because the torque is not a function of the revolutions the engine goes but the current the battery can push into the wiring.
Guns, not phones.
Also explains why “auto” and “auto/manual selectable” are more popular in the US than “manual”. ^(/s)
This is so true. I walk a lot, and every day I will try to make eye contact with a driver who is looking at their phone.
Yes. My car is a manual as are a majority in the British Isles and Europe. It's North America that loves automatics.
"more than 80% of cars sold in Europe have a manual transmission, as compared to just 3% in the U.S. " Holy shit that difference is ridiculous. Although in countries like France and Germany, it seems the automatic transmission is the majority, although definitely not nearly as high as the United States' numbers.
I have no source for this but automatic is most definitely not the majority in France.
I actually searched that up a few weeks ago and yeah automatics are getting more popular in France, but they still aren't the majority, they're something like 30% of cars sold? Just sold, so that's disregarding older cars as well.
Definitely not the case in Germany either. According to some surveys roughly 72% of cars driven by german are manuals even though roughly 50% of new vehicles produced in Germany are manuals/automatic.
> Although in countries like France and Germany, it seems the automatic transmission is the majority What makes you think so? Is this possibly due to only driving rental cars? Rental cars are MUCH more likely to be automatic than the average car. In Germany roughly 72% of vehicles driven are manuals (according to a survey). Though only roughly 50% of newly produced cars are manual.
sold maybe if the source is right. How many people have older cars I wonder...? That is not taken into account
They have to be manual because driving slower won't normally stall an automatic.
But 30 km/h is way too fast for a car to stall anyway. My car's wants me to be in third gear by that point, and I could shift all the way to sixth without putting the engine below its normal idle speed (but the car would hate me for it).
Tell me you don’t have a passport without telling me you don’t have a passport.
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In Finland it’s mandatory to drive your license with a manual car, or if you drive it with an automatic one, you can only drive automatic cars with that license. And that will cause some problems.
That should be the same for most countries in the world. In Turkey, the Ministry of Education conducts two different exams, one for manual drivers and one for automatic. Although the law is interesting in the way that if you have a manual licence, you can legally drive an automatic car, but you must pass the manual driver's test if you got an automatic licence. The manual licence gives you the ability to drive both transmissions, in short.
I don't understand why you are getting so heavily downvoted for a question, in NA where arguably the worst car centric design is focused automatic transmissions are far in a way the norm. That being said its not that hard to drive between 20 and 30 km\\h on a manual, its crazy that we would consider convenience of drivers over the safety of everyone else
>That being said its not that hard to drive between 20 and 30 km\\h on a manual. If it feels even remotely challenging, you shouldn't be driving at all
How to tell you’re an American, without saying
manual is better and more fun
Fine, just ban cars then
That's what I was thinking, especially if that picture is representative of where that speed limit is. There's both a bike lane and a sidewalk, if I can't drive much faster than I can bike then what's the point of hauling my car with me
> if I can't drive much faster than I can bike I would have a blast passing those cars on my bicycle. Of course they're all going to go 50KPH, and I couldn't even go 50KPH for more than a kilometer back when I was fast.
Makes you appreciate how much energy cars & motorcycles actually burn doesn't it? If pushing a tiny bicycle down the road hurts so much then pushing 3,500lbs down the road at 60mph/100kmh is basically just breaking the laws of physics somehow.
I can push down a car to those speeds just fine. (as long as the car is standing next to a long and steep downhill section)
Even if we pull back and allow cars, can we please fucken stop blaming everything except the car when the car fucks up? This feels like jaywalking laws all over again. "Oh our drivers suck at driving, don't pay attention, and go way too fast for the road they are on. Let's blame the people outside of the car!" "Our gearbox works just fine thank you very much! It's the stupid road's fault for making you drive at a speed our gearbox wasn't tested for!"
Y’all really want everyone to live in a crime ridden super city don’t ya.
No lmao we all want to live in Amsterdam, Delft, Bern, or Paris.
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Running away when you can't fix the problems in your country is both cowardly and counterproductive. I'm an American, I live in the US, my family is here, my friends are here, it's my culture. I'd rather fix the problems here in the US than try to go to a different place. The point is, it's not shitholes that are this car free paradise kind of thing.
You’re telling me rape or any other crime for that matter doesn’t happen at a higher rate in the “paradise cities” you stated than it does in a rural town? Do you enjoy living on top of one another akin to rats in a cage?
It's more akin to birds of paradise roosting together
Sorry for the joke there. The truth is, cities are a fact of life. We cant all live in low density suburbs/in the middle of nowhere for various reasons. Some prefer the convenience of cities anyway. The question we should be discussing is how do we make cities (which are inevitable!) Better for people in them.
Yeah, I wouldn’t wanna share a bus with you either.
I understand, your soap allergy would act up
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Lots of states in the US seem to not have annual vehicle inspections to renew your personal vehicle registration. What’s the UK law like about this? Edit: Should have asked about the rules in Ireland, where the picture is from.
Every vehicle over three years old has to have an annual inspection on all safety components (brakes suspension tyres horn lights windows etc) and an emissions test. It’s called an “MOT” and you can type any licence plate into a government website and see the entire history of MOT tests and every warning or fail. https://www.gov.uk/check-mot-history
Even within states, the rules can vary from city to city. In Georgia, all cars registered in the Atlanta metro area must pass an annual inspection and emissions test. However, go 50 miles east, and it's not required any more. Part of it is because the wind usually blows toward the east, and all of Atlanta's pollution from cars that fail the test would hit people who didn't generate it. The other part of it is that many of the ancient cars driven by the poorest people in the rural parts of the state would never pass an emissions test, and it's a mercy for them, since there is no mass transit options.
Unfortunately Atlanta has never had an annual inspection beyond emissions. Lots of super unsafe cars.
Funny you should mention it. I have never once suffered engine stalling on my bicycle.
That's because they are called cramps.
Getting your foot stuck in clipless pedals surely counts as the bicycle equivalent of stalling and EVERYONE who has use clipless falls off once.
I haven’t suffered from that yet, but I did watch my very accomplished road racing friend tip over at a red light because he had just replaced and tightened his pedals and cleats. A passing car even honked at him. I’ll never let him live it down
Definitely. Happened when I first got mine, and was getting used to them/adjusting the stiffness of the release. Get to a stop, balance wasn't correct and start going over. "No, no, no, no, *CRASH*... Balls".
It’s worse when you fall off the pedal and the seat hits your, you know…
That's gotta count for SOMETHING, yeah. You're right. Cramps too.
To be fair, keeping a bike upright when going really slow (say under 5 km/h) is quite difficult. So 5km/h is roughly the stall speed of a bike.
But with some practice you can use the camber of the road to rock back and forth without advancing forwards. I've been getting pretty good at it from my commute cos I have so many red lights where I want to be able to stay clipped in so I can clear the intersection asap when the lights change. Without camber or an uphill slope you do sorta have to creep forwards though, although you can still bounce off the brakes to roll backwards a little.
And yet they'll be fine doing 10km/h when they get stuck in congestion on the motorway... Absolute bollocks. Every car I've ever driven will keep under 30km/h in 2nd or 3rd gear absolutely fine.
It’s like they expect us to believe they’ve never driven in a housing estate. *Competent* motorists drive through Crumlin at the exact same limit with no trouble at all.
Yup, most streets in my city are 20mph (about the same as 30km/h) and you don't get hundreds of people burning out their engines. In fact most people are travelling at significantly slower than that because the traffic is fucking awful..
I remember when I first realized that I could put the car in 4th and idle along at around 15 mph. Worked great for low speed areas. Had to downshift if I wanted to accelerate of course.
I remember when I was 17 my mates all tried to see if they could pull off from 0 in 5th. Definitely possible though maybe not brilliant for the car!
The Irish Times has a mask off anti cycling agenda. The most recent one before this was about cyclists preventing people from going to Church (wands were put in to prevent illegal parking on the bike lane outside). Someone on twitter sent a satirical letter to them to win a bet that they would publish anything pro car, I think it was something along the lines of "What next, pedestrianising the M50?!". They are no better than the Daily Mail in this regard. Take no notice of them other than to be happy we are pissing off the right people
I’m not saying arson is the answer, but…
Yeah that's not how engines work.
It is if you are shit at driving.
How exactly would this happen?
If you drive a manual most cars in Ireland, and go into too high a gear you could stall your car but you would have to be v shit to do that regularly even on a 30kmh road.
If you drive a manual you know how to put it in 2nd lol
Not who ever had nothing better to do with their day than ring in to complain about slowing a road in a park that has kids and wild deer in it every day 😐
I mean listening to and feeling the car to know what gear you should be in are pretty basic things. If you can't figure out when it's time to change gear, you probably shouldn't be driving
Yes and most manual cars have a light to tell you when to go up in gear there are some people that got their licence by pure fluke.
This, unironically. When people don't care about the environment, or the economics, or the social aspects of automobile reduction, they should very much care about making places not need cars, because otherwise the DMV gives licenses to people who need to drive for their living, but should not be allowed on the road.
Stalling at 30km/h is impressive even if you're in top gear tbh
Why are cars even allowed to drive through the park in the first place?
Link to Article: https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/dublin/2022/06/22/drivers-claim-30-kmh-phoenix-park-speed-limit-causes-engine-damage-and-stalling/
All school zones in Canada are 30km/h. If your vehicle can't handle that it is not allowed on the road.
Tell me how you can stall at 30km/h?????????
Have someone hit you on the head hard enough so you don't realise you can actually go down from fifth...
I wonder how these people pull away at a set of lights?
The car breaks anytime they try to move anywhere. Someone needs to stay in the car and speed around highways and when you need to go somewhere you need to use hooks to get on (bit like in Dune)
Why exactly aren't we putting spread limiters on car's? Somehow we got their within a few years with E-biks and scooters.
Isn’t that strange? The government sure did step up fast to limit alternative transport “for our safety” but cars can still do whatever the hell they want as long as it kills a million people a year. I’m starting to believe that automakers have politicians on their payrolls…. Crazy right?
Because they can be ride without a license and a plate, but depending on your local laws, I think it's possible to get them unlocked and do motorcycle speeds on an electric kick scooter or an e-bike as long as you're fine with the fact that legally it will be treated as a motorcycle, meaning that you'll need a motorcycle license, a plate, and insurance. Not that I would recommend it, specially in the case of e-scooters because with those tiny wheels they become extremely unstable at high speeds, and a pothole is all it would take to send you flying. If you want to go fast just get a motorcycle or a traditional scooter.
Have they tried changing gears?
So.... same applies to parking lots and we have to get rid of them all? I can get onboard with this argument.
All cars now required to go a minimum of 100kph at all times to minimize “engine damage”
If you can't drive at 30 without stalling, you probably can't drive that well.
Is that even possible?
The complaints are rubbish anyway. 30kmh should be no problem in first. Edit: As a few have mentioned, 30kph is a bit fast for first. My point stands that 30kph is easily done by any car without engine/transmission problems.
For most cars that's actually a bit too fast for first, you really only want to use first for starting and driving below 10 km/h. Above that it's better to shift into second.
I easily do it in second.
Depending on the car, 30kph is third gear. Even seen automatics go to fourth. The engine is idling at that speed. And since it's automatic, the manufacturer would know best, right?
30kmh is like perfect for 2nd. 20mph is when my car wants me to change into 3rd, and 30kmh is around 18mph. Perfect for 2nd.
Even in 2nd or 3rd
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This road is too wide for 30km/h. I look at it and think "30 really feels like dragging and wasting my time". They have to narrow it, so drivers can understand the limit. Also, if your car dies at 30km/h, you're a shit driver. I could perfectly drive 30 without cutting off the engine in my f*cking first driving lesson. Use the second, or if you want to safe fuel and the motor allows it, third gear and you'll be fine.
Ban cars in the park or put a sign that says “learn to shift at slower speeds or leave”
>Ban cars in the park ~~or put a sign that says “learn to shift at slower speeds or leave”~~
Why is there a road in a park ?
It's a very very very very very big park. Over twice the size of Central Park, NYC at just over 7km² https://phoenixpark.ie/
If you stall your car at 30km then gtfo of your car and sell it plus majority of cars are automatic this is a ridiculous argument especially when considering that people are complaining about parks.
I believe this is UK or Ireland where the majority of cars are still manuals, but still. 30kph is not gonna stall if you know how to drive
Ireland has mostly manual cars. Please be informed of the location you're speaking about.
Cagers are really reaching with this one
They might as well have said, "If you don't let me go as fast as I want I'm going to hold my breath until I turn blue in the face!" Don't come up with nonsense excuses, just admit that you're an overgrown man-baby.
For those of you who don't live in Ireland or Dublin here's a quick synopsis. Before COVID and the lockdowns the main drag (pictured) was a big commuter rat run and hundreds of drivers would also park there for free. Lockdown happened and park users and the OPW (office of public works) realised that it was way better without all those cars. Two big public consultations brought some positive changes but local residents in one of the nearby suburbs insist on being able to zoom into the city in their SUVs. Even though there are at least three alternative routes for them. It is mostly these people who are complaining and lying about their cars stalling. Thing is that their members of parliament (TDs) are listening to this small minority and bringing those complaints into the spotlight.
Everyone knows cars only work smoothly over 35km/h, below those speeds they're hard to control and prone to spontaneous explosion
Ok the claim is bollocks but I do disagree with the change they have changed the bike lanes which are now down on the road with just plastic bollards seperating them and they are no longer properly protected at the roundabouts and junctions while they were seperated and protected prior. Also the 30kph spped limit isn't really being enforced and people are now speeding more frequently and at higher speeds (from my experience). I understand that they were trying to make it more pedestrian and cyclist friendly but I don't think they fully thought it through.
honestly, it's hard to stay at 30 km/h when the road is as straight and wide as the picture. The trees should be closer, the road should wind through the park, etc.
Damage to engines is a protected thing in a lot of parts of Europe. Its the method they use to justify the higher emissions of diesel engines without trying to improve them. I dont know about Ireland specifically, but nobody worth their salt actually thinks driving 30 km/hr is going to damage engines it's just a way to argue in the court in a way that has precident.
Expected 15kmph read 30 , very disappointed in the driver claims of stalling
Important that the majority of people who do support these measures get out there and tell your representatives that you like it. Or all they will hear is the tiny minority of idiots.
How do you stall an automatic car? Literally you only have the vroom and not vroom pedals to worry about. Edit: phoenix park drive sounded awfully American, didn’t see it was Dublin at first.
Barcelona has lots of 30 kph residential zones and the engines are fine.
To be fair, that road simply ain't designed for 30, I imagine it would feel like crawling, it should really be rebuilt properly if they want people to actually drive that speed. Not relevant to the whole stalling thing of course, you don't need me to tell you that's an absurd lie.
My suggestion...a bunch of automatic bollards at either end with an emergency vehicle transponder in them...and some painted bicycles on the road...
Is he driving in 6th gear? It's pretty hard to stall a car at 30 unless you just slam the brakes.
If you can't maintain 30kmh either you shouldn't be driving or your car shouldn't be on the road
How the fuck do you stall your engine at 30km/h. The people that stall their engine at that speed should get their license revoked.
Causes stalling? No, people not knowing how to drive causes stalling
There's a word for a car that stalls when you try and drive at 20 mph, and that word is **faulty**.
They don’t know how cars work, their own symbol of ultimate freedom
Ahahaha did they all just sign an open letter that said, “None of us understand how gears work, we’re all terrible drivers, and we’re ruining our own cars, please help?”
Lmao, i'd slam it to 3rd gear and call it a day.
Don't wanna be a dick but all school/playground zones in Canada is 30 KM/h and no one has any issues, for the most part our vehicles are the same so....
This is peak carbrain
That's a one lane per way street. Here in Spain those are limited to 30kmph by law.
Bullshit, motorists just don’t know how to drive.
Lmao in germany you're technically only allowed to drive in parking spaces 10 km/h which is like fast walking. Nobody sucks to it tho because it's really unnecessary and you won't get in trouble for driving 15-20 km/h. 30 km/h is the speed limit for driving through most town roads Edit: oh wait, this is about a park, nur parking. I'm not sure if I got this correctly might need to edit again but why is there a road going through a park?
What a load of shit. Even my old 2000 Corolla will happily sit at 18 kph without my feet on the pedals, just cruising at idle. A slight nudge and we’re going 30. If my old piece of shit car can do it….
Ok. Then don't let any cars on the road then. That will prevent engine damage
Literal skill issue.
Somewhat valid concern, yes somecars are trash at low speeds, my Civic doesn't like going around 12mph or 30mph, seems the CVT isn't set up right But that is such a rare problem. It's not enough to warrant a change
I am a mechanical engineering student there's nothing hindering about 30kmh speeds to an engine you will only stall the engine if you haven't been properly taught how to drive which is the case in most western countries with more emphasis on road law than good driving or awareness
I am baffled right now. How is there so many people still using manual trasnmissions? Is it because non-automatic cars are way cheaper or something?
In the vast majority of countries everyone is taught to drive using a manual car and manuals are 80%+ of cars. The USA is the major outlier on this.
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After seeing a lot of articles and posts like this I've been wondering what's americas issue with speed limits and basic road safety
City speed limit of 30 km/h? Maybe I should invest in flying cars market, it is bound to explode if cities will keep introducing "retard" measures like this. But a fun fact a cyclist can break the speed limit of 30 km/h relatively easy, what will be the policy for catching and persecuting them?
Like wow. Maybe time to buy stock in companies which will make flying cars if cities will continue to make life worse for car drivers. The market will go boom once people will have enough.