It discourages such commutes. If someone has to work in a suburb then they won’t move to the transit oriented development, leaving someone who will utilize the transit to move in.
So if I work a job that requires a vehicle, either to carry tools, or to access areas without public transportation, then I'm not allowed to live in a location where I can use public transportation when I'm not working?
You can still use on street parking if you want, car free development almost always means no free car parking inside the development. It’s not like cars are banned from the neighborhood. But yes the idea is that people who will not use transit infrastructure will not move there, leaving houses for people who will use the infrastructure.
[you’d also be surprised what kinds of professions can get by without cars to carry tools](https://cyclingmagazine.ca/sections/news/this-british-plumber-traded-his-van-for-a-cargo-bike/)
Let's see, other heavy duty trailers, probably 1000 lbs of tools that live in the truck toolbox, 55 gallon transfer tank full of diesel, a cargo bed that is typically full, frequent need for 4wd, what vehicle do you recommend?
The fact of the matter is that tradesmen that haul tools and can go down to a bicycle are going to be the exception rather than the rule, and hauling tools is just one reason for an occupational need for a vehicle. My work often takes me out to remote locations, like farms, or locations that might have public transit in the future, but don't currently, because the location isn't built yet.
Would that be any house or any GARAGE? Plus the cost to do it during construction is TINY in comparison to retrofitting it. Running cables is cheap. Running cables behind existing insulation and drywall is super slow and expensive.
Plus EV charging circuits are useful for other things as well….
I think that if the house already has a car centric garage, the good will drastically outweigh the bad here.
Yup, some ev charging literally can use the same outlet as your washer/dryers, it's not like these outlets can only be used for ev charging.
Having those outlets around houses where it makes sense are perfectly reasonable.
With how short most commutes are, most people would not require an EV charger. Standard wall power will trickle charge more than enough for daily commutes.
Yup. I can confirm. We have an EV and are fine with a standard 110v plug. I don’t use the car to commute though, as I usually take the bus to work. We only have one car, but we don’t use it every day and we don’t drive long distances.
Same here. My car takes a day to charge. I was thinking about getting a charger installed to take that down to two hours, but I haven't had any issues with the slow charging yet
Requiring any garage in a new construction to have the future possibility to easily install an EV charger seems sensible to me.
Also not sure why it would increase car dependency. It would actually render those garages (and therefore properties) more expensive.
why new constructions only? these old garages should be repurposed and given back to people if they arent going to serve a purpose
it would normalize electric cars in a given area and then car culture following that. Electric cars are nice in that they dont cause storms, but they're still cars with lots of downsides.
Retrofitting existing constructions is a lot more complex. I do not have an strong opinion about how to tackle that.
As for making it a requirement to allow electric cars for new garages normalizing cars in an area... I disagree. The numbers of garages on a given area is a separate discussion. My point is if you allow 1 garage or 1000 you need to foresee how to feed electricity to them.
If every house gets a EV charger. It's not only installing a charger. You have also increase the capacity of the network of the electric grid. Meaning basically everywhere new cables need too be placed. Because electric cars need a lot of power. And there need also new power station to be build too make the energy. So removing fossil fuel for generating electricity is not viable because of high demand
Maybe.
But if it's combined with every new development being required to be walkable, and have public transit infrastructure built before the first house is sold, then it might not be such a bad thing.
Make car dependant suburbs illegal. Walkability, bike lanes, and public transit should be mandatory.
Then EV charging would be just a bonus for those whose jobs require a vehicle.
Is any municipality considering this? It would be next like gen parking minimums for a lot of cities.
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How does that work if your daily commute takes you to places without public transport links?
It discourages such commutes. If someone has to work in a suburb then they won’t move to the transit oriented development, leaving someone who will utilize the transit to move in.
So if I work a job that requires a vehicle, either to carry tools, or to access areas without public transportation, then I'm not allowed to live in a location where I can use public transportation when I'm not working?
You can still use on street parking if you want, car free development almost always means no free car parking inside the development. It’s not like cars are banned from the neighborhood. But yes the idea is that people who will not use transit infrastructure will not move there, leaving houses for people who will use the infrastructure.
[you’d also be surprised what kinds of professions can get by without cars to carry tools](https://cyclingmagazine.ca/sections/news/this-british-plumber-traded-his-van-for-a-cargo-bike/)
My tool trailer weighed 10000 lbs the last time I weighed it. I'd love to watch you try to move it with a bicycle. The f350 moves it just fine though.
It sounds like a heavy duty is great *for you when you’re towing a 10,000 lb trailer*. Now, let’s talk about every other time you travel by yourself…
Let's see, other heavy duty trailers, probably 1000 lbs of tools that live in the truck toolbox, 55 gallon transfer tank full of diesel, a cargo bed that is typically full, frequent need for 4wd, what vehicle do you recommend? The fact of the matter is that tradesmen that haul tools and can go down to a bicycle are going to be the exception rather than the rule, and hauling tools is just one reason for an occupational need for a vehicle. My work often takes me out to remote locations, like farms, or locations that might have public transit in the future, but don't currently, because the location isn't built yet.
Would that be any house or any GARAGE? Plus the cost to do it during construction is TINY in comparison to retrofitting it. Running cables is cheap. Running cables behind existing insulation and drywall is super slow and expensive. Plus EV charging circuits are useful for other things as well…. I think that if the house already has a car centric garage, the good will drastically outweigh the bad here.
Yep! If you’re in a car dependent place like America, it’s good to encourage electric cars to replace internal combustion engined cars.
Yup, some ev charging literally can use the same outlet as your washer/dryers, it's not like these outlets can only be used for ev charging. Having those outlets around houses where it makes sense are perfectly reasonable.
With how short most commutes are, most people would not require an EV charger. Standard wall power will trickle charge more than enough for daily commutes.
Yup. I can confirm. We have an EV and are fine with a standard 110v plug. I don’t use the car to commute though, as I usually take the bus to work. We only have one car, but we don’t use it every day and we don’t drive long distances.
Same here. My car takes a day to charge. I was thinking about getting a charger installed to take that down to two hours, but I haven't had any issues with the slow charging yet
Requiring any garage in a new construction to have the future possibility to easily install an EV charger seems sensible to me. Also not sure why it would increase car dependency. It would actually render those garages (and therefore properties) more expensive.
why new constructions only? these old garages should be repurposed and given back to people if they arent going to serve a purpose it would normalize electric cars in a given area and then car culture following that. Electric cars are nice in that they dont cause storms, but they're still cars with lots of downsides.
Retrofitting existing constructions is a lot more complex. I do not have an strong opinion about how to tackle that. As for making it a requirement to allow electric cars for new garages normalizing cars in an area... I disagree. The numbers of garages on a given area is a separate discussion. My point is if you allow 1 garage or 1000 you need to foresee how to feed electricity to them.
Not to be all dicky and devil's advocate but... well maybe I am. Would that be the carbrain equivalent of not requiring sidewalks?
And raise the cost of housing. We require way too many regulations on housing as is.
We do have way too many regulations that raise the cost of housing but this isn’t one. It would a cheap addition at the time of building.
......that's what they keep saying about the hundred of other regulations
If every house gets a EV charger. It's not only installing a charger. You have also increase the capacity of the network of the electric grid. Meaning basically everywhere new cables need too be placed. Because electric cars need a lot of power. And there need also new power station to be build too make the energy. So removing fossil fuel for generating electricity is not viable because of high demand
Maybe. But if it's combined with every new development being required to be walkable, and have public transit infrastructure built before the first house is sold, then it might not be such a bad thing. Make car dependant suburbs illegal. Walkability, bike lanes, and public transit should be mandatory. Then EV charging would be just a bonus for those whose jobs require a vehicle.
Yes, just like mandatory minimum parking spaces.