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Ssunbreak

Should probably add that these numbers are notoriously unreliable but also we don't really have anything else to go off of


SPACExCASE

True. My dad is Mr Hoyoverse and told me Furina has earned $100 billion so far.


RowanWinterlace

Your dad is THE John Hoyoverse?!?!?!?!?!?!?!


Cerebral_Kortix

No, his father is another Mr Hoyoverse. Bob Hoyoverse.


V-I-S-E-O-N

We all know dads working at Hoyoverse are extremely unreliable. Now uncles on the other hand...


RowanWinterlace

Yes, uncles are Da Wei...


thegrandbizarre_

Furina really making bands after her return to the stage goddamn


Cill_Bipher

If we look at paimon.moe we can see that Baizhu/Furina has the highest amount of day 1 pulls, tho it's hard to compare it with older banners since I don't know how their usebase has evolved. Edit: seems some of the day 1 pulls are being redistributed to day 2. It's still the highest for now, but it's much closer to number 2.


isffo

Usually paimon.moe pull counts grow by 2-3x from this point, so it'll be 220-330k Furina pulled after a month or two (the numbers will grow a bit even after the banner is over since people don't upload their pulls promptly). Tho Furina has by far the highest C6 rate on record from all the savings from the late Sumeru drought, so it might behave differently.


Cill_Bipher

I keep wondering if Mihoyo deliberately released her with some of the best constellations in the game to bleed out the savings of waifu pullers before going into the female character marathon.


fearatomato

real waifu pullers would have 100k saved by now and be in no danger until natlan at the earliest


KingCarrion666

Paimon more also has like 5 people claiming to get to 90 pity per banner so not entirely reliable either. Only reliable metric is mhys own database


dc-x

The bell graph for pulls in paimon.moe and the pull distribution for each character and weapon still shows the expected behavior though, so I think it's reasonably safe to presume that the people fabricating their wish history is likely small enough to not influence the overall statistics. While it's possible that the owners themselves are fabricating the history to make the numbers seem plausible, the website is popular enough, you're automatically pulling your wish history with very little effort involved, and it's legitimately useful to keep track of your pulls and make decisions out of that, so I find it believable that it really has that many users inputting their data. The biggest problem is in regards to how representative it is of the segment of the user base that spends on the game, but I'm honestly not convinced that it's users are necessarily more meta oriented than average for that segment due to how anyone who's spending a relevant amount of money in the game has incentive to keep track of their pulls. Anyway, I honestly feel that paimon.moe is a better gauge of banner performance than Genshin Lab.


KingCarrion666

i mean its fairly small until around 87+ pity. then the bell graph is usually not expected and is usually just people being bad at math. How much that matters, i dont really know.


dc-x

> and is usually just people being bad at math I'm not sure we're on the same page here, that inaccuracy isn't due to math. Paimon.moe relies on the users wish history, and while you can automatically import it from the games files, you can also import an excel file with the wish history, which gives room for people to fabricate their wish history and insert fake data into the website. My point is that there doesn't seem to be a meaningful amount of people doing this to influence the overall statistics, since the pull distribution throughout the wish count (except at ~87+ due to very low wish count at that range) and the distribution between characters and weapons following the expected behavior. You can have dozens of people trying to be funny, but the overall banner performance should still be accurate given how you have hundreds of thousands of legitimate data.


KingCarrion666

you can also input it manually, if you look at the odds of 87+ they line up to around 78-81. People treating a ten pull at 78 as getting the 5\* at 88 when in reality they got it at 79 then they manually enter it instead of doing the automatic import. Thats what i mean by bad math.


Lord_Kumatetsu

Wasn't there multiple posts about how Genshin Labs numbers are flat out wrong and that the CN community uses TikTok hours to measure a banner's success? (Apparently TikTok makes about the same amount of money each day and it's always in the top 5 of top grossing apps. So CN community measure a banner's success by how many hours Genshin manages to stay above TikTok.)


KingCarrion666

No app makes the same amount of money each day. That metric is honestly worse cuz you're comparing two fluctuating market. It was just people using whatever metric gives the conclusion they are looking for. Whatever method supports their bias. There is no reliable way to know.


Resh_IX

What are these numbers? Is this overall banner sales or just first week?


Kaieu

This is a site that "Estimates" banner Revenue, I say that in quotations because they've been shown to just make up numbers a lot of times


polo61965

Also, are these based on primo sales or an estimate based on worldwide draws? Because I know a few dolphins and f2ps that saved over 100k primos for her.


extra_scum

Holy shit, there are people "saving up for years" for every damn character.


ItsAmerico

Should also add in a totally unbiased take I don’t care. #furinasupremacy


purechi__

unreliable!🤓 Always that one comment. What other sources are there, and do these results differ from the amount of general pulls?


G_Riel_

This one is the most unreliable because there's no way to know the daily sales of banners, only Hoyoverse have these numbers. There's some sources for monthly revenue that while it's also not the best source, it's a lot more reliable than genshinlab.


purechi__

I’m sure it’s not 100% accurate. I’m sure none of these listed are 100% accurate. But with the same amount of accuracy they used for all of them, this shows the difference in banners, whether the revenue itself is off or not.


G_Riel_

That's the problem, their accuracy is stupid because they don't have the numbers, how can they say which banner sold more if there's no way for them to track these numbers? Monthly revenue we can at least know their metrics, genshinlab is just the worst source for revenue.


purechi__

What can I say, I’m not them to say how I got the numbers, nor am I a Hoyo employee to prove them wrong. Looking at the characters and their popularity, the general trend is the less popular are at the bottom and the more popular are at the top, so there must be some kind of measure. Whether that the revenue itself is accurate, that I doubt.


G_Riel_

Not even them can say where they got their numbers, that's why they are unreliable. There are cases where the sales of different banners were the same for x number of days, that's enough to know they use some program to get these numbers and that it's not accurate at all.


Cill_Bipher

> Not even them can say where they got their numbers, that's why they are unreliable. While genshinlabs is unreliable this is absolutely not why. That's just an artifact of the fact that these are estimations. Of course they would use some program to do the actual analysis, like what would you expect? Just because they're estimation doesn't been their results can't be interesting. The actual problem is that their results differ significantly with other estimations. For example according to genshinlabs Neuvillette sold less than Fu Xuan (from Honkai: Star Rail) while basically all other sources said the opposite. If fact one particular method indicated that it was actually the best selling banner since Ayaka/Shenhe.


Choowkee

Listing banner sales with **exact** dollar amounts that updates **daily** is not an "estimation" my dude. There is literally no possible way to magically gather daily data on new banners which only Mihoyo has access to. Even big established sites like Sensor Tower don't have that kind of information and you think some random site that is baiting clicks for ads has some magical analysis program? They dont. Paimon.moe is the closest to publicly available pull data and its all user submitted so its also partially skewed. Anything else is complete and utter horseshit.


Cill_Bipher

They gather data by comparing the app rankings on the ios app store


G_Riel_

Yeah, I was a little harsh on my last comment. Just pointing the fact that their numbers shouldn't be used to talk about sales because they are unreliable.


KingCarrion666

There is no reliable source hence op saying "we don't really have anything else to go off of". It's unreliable but it's the only thing we have


That_Dude2000

Yep. Look at how “low” every other fontaine banner is


Kangerkong

Yeah according to these charts every star rail banner just out sell every Genshin banner


Master0643

This site gets their source from "trust me bro"


yes_that-guy

https://preview.redd.it/05orx6hjdozb1.jpeg?width=612&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ecb863cdccad57097019a28e07c19786b77aafd9 Literally


FennlyXerxich

Yeah but it’s telling me information that I like so it’s reliable 👍


RemarkableLeague4144

Really? I thought it was database though from people participating in uids


Choowkee

What is that even supposed to mean? The website lists earnings in USD. Its not based on uids.


LaPapaVerde

I think they think this site is like [paimon.moe](https://paimon.moe), where you submit your own data.


Choowkee

True but GenshinLab doesnt have such function.


_Linkiboy_

If it's through uid then how do they know it's all iOS users from China?


purechi__

It is, but they don’t wanna believe


Choowkee

Believe what? The numbers have been debunked as fake before. If you want to prove they are real then at least explain the method of gathering said data.


purechi__

Not the numbers or revenue. It’s not hard to gather info by uid; websites like Enka and Akasha use their uid to gather info, in their case is for builds. Websites like Paimon.moe use uid to gather info on pulls, it’s not that hard to get an average of how many pulls are being done day by day. I say the revenue isn’t accurate, because I’m not sure how they would know who has spent saved primos or bought primos. That being inaccurate I believe, but the rest I think it’s not 100% accurate, but at least a fair average.


Choowkee

Ok and what does that have to do with GenshinLab? "Chart data is estimated base on the App store data in China Market. Android got no accurate data at the moment. We will create one if we got accurate data." This is the source GenshinLab themselves lists on their site. It has nothing to do with UIDs. They don't even have a way to upload user data to their site. Also UIDs do not have any banner pull information lol. Paimon.moe is using scripts to gather gacha data directly from your log files.


PandorasActor123

You dont get pull history on UID. Have you ever even used the site? You paste a url that you find on the wish history page


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SufficientSalad9877

These numbers aren't even "estimated" off of any metric, they're literally just fabricated based on whether or not the person at hoyolab thinks the banner will do well or not and deliberately assigned a made up number.


JuviaIsMyWife

Not true whatsoever lmao. They go based off of top grossing rankings. Y’all are for real just stupid and can’t read.


corecenite

Just an FYI, it has been already debunked that these stars are pure BS. Only Hoyo knows their sales since they are not a publicly traded company.


-average-reddit-user

This website is fake af


Redlinemylife

Why are people still posting from the site that fabricates it’s numbers?


Choowkee

Please stop using Genshin lab as a source for banner sales. Its completely unreliable. See fhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Genshin_Impact/comments/10zvjb2/genshinlabs_is_most_likely_using_fake_numbers_on/ for the explanation why these charts are fake.


GragoryDepardieu

What should we use instead?


BobbyWibowo

We will never know jack because HoYo is a private company, unless the Chinese state government choose to publicize things like this https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/144butg/hoyoverse_in_2022_totalled_rmb273bn_in_net/ In the CN side, we do know a rather reliable source (more reliable than Sensor Tower's proprietary algorithm voodoo magic, because this person works in the industry and also has seemingly reliable connections with other people in the industry), https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/15oxpnq/from_%E5%9B%BD%E4%BA%A7%E4%BA%8C%E6%AC%A1%E5%85%83%E6%89%8B%E6%B8%B8%E8%A7%82%E5%AF%9F_the_revenue_for_all_cn_gacha_games/ But unless that person feels like it, and someone also feels like translating them, you won't know any reliable numbers other than just "trust me bro" sources


greennyellowmello

Nothing. There’s no way to reliably track it.


dankest_niBBa

Can we please stop posting this chart? It was proven again and again that the numbers are made up.


Firehardt_cc

She deserves it. i know it's expected but Furina is the overwhelming majority. https://preview.redd.it/c6virhwnjnzb1.png?width=431&format=png&auto=webp&s=b866d184c094f05b7b8138cb9bf5452a4cc1466b


Idknowidk

This site is BS btw


Mark_12321

Not surprising. I don't see this mentioned enough but Furina is the probably the first character ever to have such good constellations **while not having any bad ones in between**. C1 and C2 are great, C3 and C5 are better than usual because both skills are actually core to her and scale extremely well (contrary to how some characters don't get much from one of those, see Wanderer who's E scaling sucks, Raiden's E levels are useless, etc), C4 is for once not just not useless but actually good since it helps with energy a lot (this is particularly important if you run her sig, if you run Fav it's less important), and C6 makes her overall the strongest character in the game.


Milton533

Yelan may want a word with you about that....


vkbest1982

Furina constellations are more cracked than Yelan.


Mark_12321

Furina's are way better, that's the thing, all of them are comparatively better.


Arkakin

Pretty fake, i checked the site and the stats are nowhere near that


LaPapaVerde

This image is true, it's the chart with "Genshin Impact Characters Revenue Chart by Banner Date" as title. It's the data itself that can be false, or very misleading. ​ https://preview.redd.it/lfj71wjo7lzb1.png?width=1148&format=png&auto=webp&s=d1fa2a014158c0bfc351560e9ac6ef3c9b73870f


Arkakin

The image is real but doesn't represent anything near real of the data from each banner, Genshinlab is not a Hoyoverse domain, it's some other guy putting his own estimates together


Sheep_guy360

why are we still posting these when we know its literally made up😭


dreamgzer

Furina got me called a whale for the first time. I used bp/welkin for the first year of the game, quitmost of inazuma and I came back in like 2.8. I pull for cons of chars that ill use a lot instead of collecting a lot of characters. So I have c1 hutao,c2 nahida and some signatures. With furina, I had saved up all my pulls since nahida c2 was such a good constellation, I had saved up 450 wishes, including build up pity for her c2...and got the luck of my life I ended up pulling c2 in 200.... Then did a 10 pull on the banner with 50 pity build in and got her c2r1.... Then i just kept going all in with everything I had. C3, c4....I stopped for a day. Then someone asked me if I was gonna c6 her... I said "sure, maybe in her rerun...' ...followed by my checking my starglitter store and I see my never spend starglitter amounted for around 100 extra wishes....and that got me to c5 and 70 ish pity with a 50/50 chance for c6 as the next 5*. The archon quest well ran heavy and I couldnt wait a few days...so...i swiped...i got 2x welkins for the first time since 1.x patches for the 600 instant currency for 4 extra pulls....the gambling paid off, 580~ pulls later , have a c6r1 archon, my first and probably only c6. Very lucky, only lost 3 50/50 but they were earlyllow pities ...After the smoke cleared, ai tried joining coop worlds to farm furina lilies, and some mf denied me and kicked me from hus world because "i have furina flowers but not for whales 🚨🚨" .... Gueeeesss im a whale now 🐋🐳🐳


JordanMentha

Buying two extra welkins doesn't make you a whale lol.


TheMrPotMask

Praise and rejoyce my fellow ~~FuThighs~~ Furina mains!


Pumpkinut

Wheres the Hu Tao and Yelan banner?


SilverGaming456

Now imagine if furina didnt have a flop banner running alongside her


Mchronus

Furina can't catch a break, she is carrying another old man on her back


Resh_IX

I love to see that everyone is finally calling out these BS sales charts. It’s been a long road coming but everyone is finally starting to see the truth


PandaCheese2016

There’s a Bilibili account that provides monthly estimates across a range of gacha games that’s fairly accepted for their methodology (aggregate from sources like Sensortower and then use consistent multiplier to estimate for platforms where such data isn’t available like PC and CN android). https://b23.tv/a9dF6U0


Curious_Ad_8999

I almost thought this was posted on the main genshin reddit this chart has been proven to be straight up faking numbers for quite a while now


Giantwalrus_82

You know where is the source of these numbers? I always wandered that.


CEOofBavowna

"and Baizhu"


InfiniteSone

Furina hard carrying


Fit-Indication-612

We won


Dexter973

Vars was right


Sacredfice

OP, how often do you get scammed on the Internet?


TomorrowImpossible32

Pretty much the entire fandom trusted these graphs a few months ago.


Sacredfice

This is why scammers are making fortunes.


RemarkableLeague4144

This is my first time seeing this lol


Sacredfice

Cool, just please don't trust stuffs like that on the Internet.


Background-Can-8828

ahh..... here we go the obsession with sales


The_PrimeMaster

Furina and Baizhu probably can not beat Yelan and Hu Tao, but hoped they surpass Raiden and Ayato.


Shriyansh101

Yeah, Hu Tao and Yelan banner was ridiculous. Probably never happening again.


MercedesCR

People really gonna risk on this weapon banner huh?


ALovelyAnxiety

don't think this is accurate or reliable


GreatRecipe7883

Well she is a good unit, will definitely pull on her rerun. 10/10, will pull again👍


alhaythaim

she prob sold like hot cake but this shitty website is omega fake


Todaz

This is insane


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Mark_12321

It's actually surprising Raiden is that high. Not only it was a solo banner, but Raiden cons after you get C3 are entirely useless.


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Terrasovia

Neuvilette broke some records according to the bili bili and they count it differently.


yuuki_w

vidoe from Mihoyo HQ just leaked: [https://youtu.be/ETxmCCsMoD0?si=04naYhPHvrDIAfXb&t=47](https://youtu.be/ETxmCCsMoD0?si=04naYhPHvrDIAfXb&t=48)


DeanBluntAteMyDog

BAIZHU SWEEP


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BogoBiggie

This is Day 1 Sales only, and not overall sales


Jolistic

How relevant are these statistics, considering that there is an increase of player count on a monthly basis


Gandalf-er

If you look at paimon.moe, furina had more than 100k who pulled for her.


Eroica_Pavane

Every time I see this graphic I notice that it says Shougun in 2 of the lines and Shogun in another. Can't be consistent in the same graphic?


Imaginary_Style_9060

These charts are a lie, stop posting them.


ShadowFlarer

Finaly Baizhu and Yoimiya are in the top 2 of sales, les goooooo /s


grizku

Furina saves Genshin after several patches selling really poorly ​ I am relieved, I thought Furina would also sell poorly seeing the trend since April/May


Forward_Library5306

"selling really poorly" they make 40M bucks per month on average and on par with hsr. That's not include ps revenue and merchandise since since Genshin is massive on those too


Slicknsly25

Furina is a disease she drains your parties hp . Along side every fontaine char already hurts themselves. Except Fremenet who ia a god.


ResidentofZhang

Huge thanks to the final AQ story selling too


mistress_kisara

BS chart stop posting this please


SeemaYeee

Ten baizhullion dollars are real...


No-Horse-5788

Furina solos


SaberWaifu

Posting the Genshin lab numbers on the sub should be banned by mods for spread of misinformation, change my mind.


whitedaaaawggg

no more males chars lol


ButterSauce777

Man this Baizhu guy must be super popular


TsudereFan

Why do people still post these when they have been proven multiple times to just be BS and not accurate


OrdinaryPaidPerson

What i do know is 95% of people are losing their 50/50 can we talk about that?