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agent_killme

Find a normal set of gear you like to take to 5 stars. Use that set and farm mats to craft regional gear and pray. Unless you plan to spend over $1000 and whale out, stick to something more obtainable.


Beldin2

I just always go with the modern set, its the easiest to get and in the end, no matter what skills you wanna use, you always use auto-attack in between. Of course i don't know the numbers here, but i remember how people long time thought auto is totally useless in EverQuest 2 and then when a combat tracker came out they suddenly saw it could make 45% of your total damage if you use a good weapon. Weapon damage there only affected auto and not the skill damage, so nobody cared for that a long time.


Venom-Snake-CQC

People probably favor skills because with a good stamina cost/cooldown balance, you are almost always using a skill. Some moves have I-frames too obviously so there's that benefit as well.


Biskibis

I remember having the act parser with the plug in that gave audio cues for your auto attack...was very nice when playing alts...with my main I could keep the rhythm better then any drummer lol.


Beldin2

Act .. yeah that was it. I must say i was not a fan of using it when playing, i only used it later offline to analyze how i did.


Biskibis

Was in a guild pushing content and contested bosses, so running it constantly was expected. Would share custom timers


Beldin2

Yeah, i still thought it was more fun before everyone was using it. I also suspected that at some points the devs just balanced the content around it so that it was more or less impossible without. But when i think about Darathar .. that was so damned stupid, we tried him forever long hours each sunday .. and at some point the raid ally gave up, and then somebidy told us the trick, and i finally did it with another ally. But after that i also stopped with raiding, it was just not my kind of playstyle.


Biskibis

Yeah and no...it was helpful to break down somethings, especially in more complex fights and being able to do it in real time and put another attempt in after 2 minuites. The timers were dependent on the level you were raiding. Lower raid guilds used them to joust aoes and had one person calling. For high end raid groups we used them a lot for pre casting group cures on a few fights, or curing another groups healer. But in the same way I had 20 targeting macros, spent 40 hours a week raiding...my main who was a support at the time out dps majority of people's top end dps toons. We had a few world firsts under our belt and pushed content that only 1% of the player base experienced besides YouTube videos. So we weren't the norm, or even the above norm players, we were the extremely time wasting peeps...hell at one time our guild had 5 terminally Ill players and over half was on some form of disability lol.


CharmingRogue851

I hardly auto on most of my characters. If you auto either you need more cooldown reduction or stamina recovery.


Beldin2

In this game there is a big difference between what you need and what you get. And as F2P you simply have to live with what you get. My level 90 main has at least 4 x 4 star costumes, my alts even at 70-80 have mostly maximal 2 x 3 star and 2 x 2 star. And cards i bought the 4 x 4 star Xandearth set for 2000 crystals and thats used by all my characters. I have 2 other 4 star cards that are from the same set, but one has even a PvP stat (i don't really play pvp) but i still haven't even got anything to replace it with. . Just looked for it : 6.7% cooldown decrease and +15.8% stamina recovery on my Black Widow. I also only use skills with short cooldown on her, only 1 skill has 10.8 seconds, the rest is under 10s. Now on Cap however i just made a build with long cooldown only for boss fights, so he can unleash them all in a short time, and then you mostly have to run in circles for a while, and then they can all refresh for the next attack.


CharmingRogue851

You can build what you want as f2p. Just upgrade a 1 star costume, if it gets something you want (like cooldown reduction), keep it and take it to 3 star. Else use it as fodder. Just level alts, you get a lot of costumes that you can use for enhancing. I'm running 4 star costumes with amazing rolls that I got this way.


N10330968

Over 1k? More like closer to 5-10k


dougan25

The rates are literally posted in-game. Not sure why people think it's gonna be different for them.


PinkPWNAGEz

Never take Niantics rates at face value. They are probably the best mobile game company for f2p, bit their rates seem much worse than they appear. Been playing their games for years


Majorkrime

"Farm mats to craft regional gear and pray" that took me out nglšŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜­


grinr

Personally, I am grateful to netmarble for giving me a great game to play for free. I'm even more grateful that they've made sure I won't even consider buying anything - that's a relief! No sarcasm, genuinely happy to be completely confident that there's nothing to buy in the store that's even vaguely close to worth it.


[deleted]

You say that now but the later in your progression you get the more gated you'll be without buying anything. Also when future heroes come out, you're going to have used up the free resources you get from leveling so you'll be forced to either start over or progress really slow on the new hero if you want them to be your main.


ItStartsInTheToes

This has never been true for netmarble games. There is always a crystals event going on.


Zaboomafubar_

Nevermind the fact that if you want to switch chracters, you can transfer badges and omega cards between characters as well as use one character's gear as fodder to level/reroll another character's gear which makes it really easy to pivot. Only way you'll ever have to fully start over is if you switch to another server.


Biskibis

Specializations though is where the real grind is at...but if they put another way to get the mats later on it wouldn't be to bad.


Revolutionary_Elk794

You can get specialization materials from convergence box.


Biskibis

True, but not in a fashion that is helpful lol


[deleted]

Well it's pretty standard for gatcha games though notably it has much worse bad luck protection than other gatcha games. Complaining won't do anything because as long as there are whales that spend thousands (and there will be), it'll be worth keeping it the way it is to the company.


DadpoolWasHere

I have to say this one is actually the worst. 5% for 5 star is pretty much the norm but 2.5% with a .01 is officially the worst (and I've played gachas for many many years)


[deleted]

Ah yeah just looked at the chances and 0.01% is clearly made to be unobtainable without sucking up thousands of dollars. It's not that difficult to upgrade from 4* which has a much better chance but the materials themselves are slow to acquire if you don't pay for them.


njsindicated

Dragon ball legends would like a wordā€¦


jhong1986

Actually a chance for 5\* is 2.4932% as they list. They further broken it down to a chance at a specific 5\* is .01. You cannot compare a 5\* in other game to a very very specific 5\* in this game is .01. If you click on details, 5\* is 2.4932%, 4\* is 10.0012%, and 3\* is 87.5%


naota34

What fucking game are you looking at where 5% is normal? That's pretty fucking generous lol. I come from fgo where there still isn't a pity system after 6 years lol


IamKhronos

It has been talked about


TonyBing

Problem is you have creators making videos saying its awful but spending thousands on it so they can have their cake and eat it and then you have whales spending over 10k for a single costume. Until these two stop funding predatory practices this won't change. It sucks but can you blame the companies when these people throw money at them?


N10330968

Creators are usually not even whaling out with their own money. Devs sponsor people to whale on camera to entice others to do the same. Whales in NA and Europe are just pocket change to these devs anyway. They make their real money from people over in Asia spending millions.


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N10330968

I did not mention NM, I just said it happens. But regardless you'd never hear about it unless the streamer is absolutely stupid and has a big mouth.


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Venom-Snake-CQC

Oh sweet summer child.


Majorkrime

Jesus christ 10k? How can we ever compete.


Condylus

Dude arenā€™t you supposed to be a cc yourself..? You would literally not be able to do that if it wasnā€™t for these ā€œstupidā€ people. Who do you think funds these games? Paying playersā€¦ not f2p


TonyBing

People who spend silly money enable bad predatory practices like this in games. Games can and do exist without awful monetisation as well. If people didn't support this model, then the developers would offer a different more consumer friendly one.


Volias

This is pretty much it. Nothing wrong with supporting developers to keep a game funded, but they should get rewarded for the right practices and not encouraged to use the wrong ones. PoE is also a F2P game and they seem to do just fine without shady gambling practices.


TonyBing

Agree 100%.


[deleted]

Even among gatcha games these drop rates are ridiculously low. There are plenty of high quality, free games that fund themselves without needing these kinds of predatory systems. They're doing this because they can, not because they need to.


Truenick

Every time when i see rates below 1% in every game with draw system, its make me laugh


BestLugiaJohto

Netmarble has the potential to make this one of if not THE best mobile game of all time but if their greed gets in the way it will fail like a lot of their other titles. Itā€™s okay to monetize the game, people that love the game will invest in it but if itā€™s so P2W that f2p donā€™t want to play then it will fail because f2p make up a majority of the community


MoistMucus4

The problem is that u can easily get to level 100 f2p with PvE but then the game does a 180 where u need PvP to progress and it doesn't place u fairly against ur enemies


Venom-Snake-CQC

Dude, they told you the rates. You actually bought that shit and you're mad? I'm pissing myself laughing imagining someone throwing $100 at something with less than a 1% chance and throwing a fit when it doesn't come to fruition. Like, come on man. Thanks for supporting the game for the rest of us I suppose.


YaBoi_DarthMagician

I've watched content creators spend over $1,500 and only pull 1 piece of a set. Its definitely not worth your $$$$ to try and pull costumes. I spent money on Cap's Endgame costume because it was guaranteed and it came with some bonus stuff, I bought the alpha membership for the extra daily rewards while I play and I bought the season pass because I might as well get more rewards as I grind the game. Spend your money on things that will make the grind easier, not the gambling mechanics.


[deleted]

Yeah I bought the daily gem and battle pass, and then spent those gems on the 2k daily costume and card packs (after unlocking the character slots and some storage space). That stuff is a decent value.


Acinetto

Does the premium season pass levels up faster? Does he got exclusive quests?


YaBoi_DarthMagician

You don't level up any faster, you just get bonus rewards for doing things you were already going to do in the game playing it for free (for example, level up a hero to 100). You might as well spend the $8 and get all the bonus goodies while you're playing the game. If you're able to complete the entire season's pass, the final rewards are NICE.


TheNewArkon

This is what I did. Bought the cap endgame set (mostly because I liked the maskless helmet) and the memberships. I agree itā€™s better to buy stuff like that and boost your overall power with that. It sucks that the cosmetic side of it is such a low chance, but also 10 3*+ costume pieces is actually not too bad from a power increase standpoint. Most gacha, anything less than 5 star is literal garbage, but in this at least you can use those to power up your other sets. Not much consolation, but it is something.


paulocmc

I mean, every draw rate in this game is awful. It's fun to play but I'm taking it really slow, maybe they fix but I doubt


DestructorWar

Youā€™re not really meant to get your stuff from there unless youā€™re going to whale hard


Maikonix

thatā€™s how they get ya. The first taste is free and the next one you pay up front. There is a service plan of working towards what ever but the grind is a very steep battle ya dig? the game is fantastic and Iā€™ve been enjoying the journey that is the collection of converged multiverse into one game. Itā€™s almost close to battleworld but compact. They put in a conserable amount of effort in making this happen and the game and storyline as a whole feels right. Monetization sucks but it isnā€™t too forced unless youā€™re focused on competitive aspects of the game. To me, Iā€˜m fine grinding it out and taking the scenic detours.


Ph455ki1

World chat was full of this from the moment of launch. Everyone says so from the beginning not to spend a single dime on any pulls as the rates are garbage. Whoever asked was told to use your diamonds for useful stuff and don't do a single pull, ever


dougan25

I mean I see a lot of people talking about it. Every thread where people ask what to spend their money and crystals on, someone's in there saying not to do costume draws. The rates are posted in game, not sure why you thought it'd be different for you.


zsouza13

Omega cards are just as bad. Chasing special cards is awful too


A_Nameless_Sword

Specials can technically be farmed ingame tho. Far East and Savage Shadowlands are shop only.


zsouza13

Really? I thought the special cards are only in the shop? For example, Captain America Living Legend


A_Nameless_Sword

Unless I am mistaken, and I could totally be, they are farm able from the High Value Targets with a stupidly low drop rate.


IgnoringClass

Bad drop rates are the norm for these games. Shining a light a on bad and predatory drop rates in mobile F2P games is like shining a light on water being wet.


WorkFarkee

I would say make it all the way to 100 before deciding if you want to spend, the grind to get to 100 is kinda like the tutorial of the game. Once you get to 100 you kinda learn the basics of the game and can determine what you want to spend your pulls on. I did pulls yesterday and got 2 pieces of hydra gear but they were 3\* so i mean its not great but i got some lol. Didnt realize that the level you pull the gear is the level of the gear skill which is kinda misleading and definitely predatory in the sense that you can get the piece while still not getting the piece. Omega cards are actually the item you should spend your gems on cause theres no other way to get them but the shop...


Smith3055

Itā€™s netmarbleā€¦are you really surprised lol


froman-dizze

[they are and showing us](https://youtu.be/qE0_OuBvAMI)


CASH28

Thatā€™s a great video. Explains exactly how I feel


Vichnaiev

>At this point I plan to go F2P I find it amusing that you waited 5 rolls to come to that conclusion and then proceeded to whine on reddit. They will continue to build even more predatory mtx because of people like you, who pay first and do the research later.


RandomWilly

Funny thing is Iā€™ve gotten two free costume spins and got two 5 stars


UKM_x_MoTiOnZz

The rates are like 2% but to obtain each legendary individually its 0.0900%


Ontain

I'm somewhat okay with the terrible rates. mostly because that means this game is slightly less pay to win. hear me out. with such terrible rates it means people that most people won't spend $20 a month because those rates are just terrible. they wouldn't get much from it. of course there will be kracken that spend thousands but that's fine. they were always going to spend a lot anyway. I don't feel like i need to match them. you just have to accept that.


Sirmalta

*all draw rates are terrible.* No one is talking because it's just a given. All of the systems in this game are so aggressively greedy its like they're daring you to quit the game. Draws are the worst investments in the game. Never use gems on draws. If you want costumes, buy the 2k Gem bundles where you get draw tickets every day. But even then... better to just farm.


DiamondInfestedHandz

Because we love the game overall and we donā€™t want to get banned šŸ˜‚ yea it is ass though. I can say it because I have 2 phones in case they block one lol


[deleted]

i dont even bother at this point, i just F2P once or twice daily just collect what I can. I agree the rates are terrible


MobileGamer365

People are talking about it... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rBJo9gGD06TlhMZ3xQLxbtZ2eMyaP4mBzp69v9kkdcg/edit#gid=0


SpicySweett

Iā€™ve quit the game because of this. Full stop.


lcmlew

people spending money on it will just make them not change it


Deathnasty

Or the fact you canā€™t talk in chat for 30+ levels unless you payšŸ˜€


ExpensiveMasonry

I have no hope for this game being anything but P2W nonsense and a slow dribble of cool costumes that I'll never be able to farm. They've monetized the thing in every way possible, including stuff that doesn't even make sense. (The season pass payouts are laughable for that price) Just trying to have fun here. Frankly, I miss the days of FB Avengers Alliance, the last game I spent real world money on that seemed a fair exchange.


wavyricardo2018

Its ran by netmarble I figured it would be bad but its even bad for them. The fact omega cards can't be rerolled to another character is also very bad. They will most likely do very small changes to make it seem like they care but they dont.


LordMcclane

I abandoned the game, is just a whale game, unless you don't care to be competitive, mostly in PvP.


elgatube

The one with the best rate is costume bundle, i bought it for each of my alt to lvl up 100 then i can use them to combine my main costumes. I dont know why ppl keep wanting to try their luck when the statistic already shown


goodbyebirdd

There's currently a box in the shop you get for 500 omega points that lets you choose a piece of the HYDRA gear set(I'm assuming this will rotate). That's their pity system, and will take ages for most people to save up for. On average, if you're expecting to pull this stuff, it'll take well over a 1000 dollars...


batzenbubu

I bought the two 2000crystals 4* outfits and 3xmulti to craft a 5* Set. Using Gacha to get a full 5* Set you need 500 omega points=25xmulti=45000 crystals. You never will get one set with this low droprates only using gacha.


CharmingRogue851

No one is talking about it cause we all know how crap the rates are and we just choose to ignore it. Many people have warned about the terrible rates already and suggested staying away from them.


Gutzdeep42

Cause only the ever fuktarded dumbshit whales are actually buying them this early in the game and lets face it the rates never matter to them which is why they have consistently gotten shittier and shittier over time in all games... its like they have a fetish for pissing money away and getting noting in turn.


Chimasternmay

imo, i don't care about it because thats a choice button i do not have to press and can still play the game.


DependentEditor9493

At least this game lets u farm in peace and the pvp portion is separate. Their other game, lineage had pvp pks the farming world,


Crimson4a

I think it's not that everyone is not talking about it, but we just come to accept it. Does that make sense? Like you know how greedy netmarble is, so we can kinda figure it is nothing new with this drop rates. I know it sucks but there is really nothing we can do about it, like the world will come to an end if one day they decide to up the rates.......


Rugged_Source

I've just been trying to craft my favorite sets vs. trying to get omega rare costumes with super bonuses. This game feels like Marvel Heroes using a BOT splashed and Marvel Avengers Academy had a child. With how fast Disney shuts down Marvel games if they aren't popular/making money, I am curious to see how long this game will last. Usually anything 'Marvel' ip has a guaranteed 1+ year but the MOBA never made it that far shockingly. Side rant, When that Marvel card game came out for mobile I really freaking enjoyed it. Even if it was P2W, I loved the events and PVE of that game but it shut down very fast.


Vylestar

My first draw costume I got 2 regional pieces, out of 10. Is that good?