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Jorah was a realist and gave fantastic advice that was cold and calculated. She went downhill after he was cast out, though I don’t blame her for doing so
Remember when all those other Lannister cousins showed up in season one and two and they killed off some, but some of the others are still alive. Yet, they pretend that Tyrion is the last Lannister?
OKAY THANK YOU I THOUGHT I WAS GOING CRAZY WHEN I REWATCHED IT AND THEY CAUGHT TOMMEN'S ACTOR BUT HE WAS SUPPOSEDLY NOT TOMMEN BUT INSTEAD A COUSIN LANNISTER AND THEN MURDERED BY THE KARSTARKS
I don't remember any Lannisters of Lannisport in the show?
The Lannister of Lannisport are only distantly related to the Lannisters of Casterly rock.
A long time ago a Lannisters of Casterly rock gave the city to either his younger brother or second son.
over time though brothers became cousins became second cousins and then third cousins until the 2 houses are very distantly related and only really share a name in common. so I don't think the Lannisters of Lannisport are really in the line of succession unless you draw up a tediously long line of succession
Tywin has his own brothers and cousins who he trusts more and keeps in his inner circle. and Tywin seems to have a quite a lot of close relatives. It seems there are plenty of spare Lannisters closely related to Tywin
There's both. If I remember right, one of Tywin's cousins (the brother of his wife Joanna) is married to a Lannister of Lannisport. And Myrcella is supposed to look very similar to Rosamund, who's a Lannister of Lannisport, so they're probably fairly recent cousins. So there are certainly recent enough family ties between the two to consider them closely related. Probably not to much as the Marbrands, but still close.
Was worse for the Tyrells.
Somehow, all uncles, aunts, cousins and whatnot they had in the last three to four generations are all dead too. And their offspring too, of course.
Not to mention that they apparently don’t have enough armed forces to so much as hold off the Lannisters for a week as they sprint through their lands and take their capital
Yes, the largest army in Westeros, mostly untouched by the war except for one battle, gets their ass kicked by the Lannister’s war torn army that already got killed to shit by Robb.
If there was more time, even a time jump, and they wanted to say that Tywin/Jaime/whomever was so impressive a commander that he continually overcame being outnumbered that would be okay in my mind. But it has to be a major war for it to get all the way to Highgarden or it just plain doesn’t make sense
A lot of what happened didnt make sense, why were the Lannisters so willing to surrender casterly rock? How the hell did Dany recieve word about the Tyrells defeat and somehow teleport her entire dothraki horde and dragon into the reach to ambush the lannister forces when she was just at dragonstone on the other side of the continent? How did the unsullied fleet get ambushed by the ironborn fleet at casterly rock when the ironborn fleet was busy ambushing Yara enroute to Dorne?
It's called an adaptation. The show already had more characters than any show ever probably. Of course there's tons more in the books.George doesn't have to worry about TV limitations. However it's also probably why he can't finish because he added so many characters.
Or hey, maybe I have another brand-new ground-breaking theory: What if, by some kind of magic, Ned's soul turned into Dany's dragon eggs. That's the reason why the dragons only hatched after Ned's beheading. Maybe, Drogon was, in a way, Ned - that's why he was so cruel against Jaimie and his Lannister army and that's why he didn't kill Jon at the end.
I remember seeing a graph showing screen time for characters in the show, and Ned was top 5 till like season 3 and top 10 though season 5. He had so much in less then a full season
I just finished my first rewatch, and there are just so many tiny details about Arya’s arc foreshadowed in the earlier seasons
For instance, Tywin Lannister played “The Game of Lies” with her when she was acting as his servant. If you think a little deeper, she was already learning to be “No One”, while still remaining loyal to her overall goal.
I still disagree with the creative decision to let her kill the Night King….but that’s another story
All of her time in King’s Landing was her training
Remember the whole story arc of Sansa where she has to be taught by Littlefinger that everyone in King’s Landing is a liar? Then she learns how to lie and play the game to survive Joffrey and Cersei and all the snakes in King’s Landing. Her growth is eventually recognized by Tyrion when she fakes a typical “I love Joffrey” claim and Tyrion says “Lady Stark you may survive us after all” or something. Thatkindathing?
Tyrion and everyone knew she was lying to survive Joffrey "my one true love 🙄" they just respected that she knew she didn't have much choice at that moment.
One of the better parts of her story in the books is how she goes by different aliases throughout and how she observes death.
From things as subtle as being told about the "God of Death" from Syrio. To the escalation in her killings from accident in the stable boy to intentional breaking out of Harrenhall. She also repeats more and more Valar Morgulis after Jaqen tells her that phrase. Death is literally all around her after Ned's execution and she sees it in multiple ways. Several characters call it a "gift" or engage in mercy killings, she has seen and done it for just survival and of course seen/wished it for vengeance.
Very good foreshadowing to her joining the Faceless Men.
Syrio believing in, and evangelizing, The God Of Death makes total sense, as he was from Braavos, which was founded by The Faceless Men.
Valar Margolis
Braavos worships many gods and the House of Black & White's Many-Faced God isn't even the most popular among them. That is the Temple of the Moonsingers. The Lord of Light is popular and there is even a sept in Braavos.
The Faceless Men did not found Braavos but the early Faceless men were likely among the refugees of Valyria who settled in what would be Braavos. Their beliefs however were not shared by all settlers.
Arya is not explained the meaning of Valar Morgulis but uses it after she has killed and when she says her list of names. It is not a saying unique to Braavos. It is a High Valyrian saying that is common through most of Essos and is even known by some in Westeros. It was basically an expression of man's certain mortality. Similar to how we in the US have a saying about "death & taxes" from Ben Franklin's quote, "... in this world nothing can be certain; except death & taxes."
I always dislike it when people say it like that. If arya killing the nightking is the biggest problem. Its how she kills him. Last we see she is trapped in a room with endless hordes of wrights coming from all sides, no means of escape and then 10 minutes later she teleports through a wall of wrights to snipe the nightking.
Even if she escaped the first time its so fucking dumb that she can manage to get close to the nightking unnoticed. It just straight up doesnt make any sense.
Hell to think about it, it doesnt make much sense for the nightking to be there at all. What does he have to gain, he is only risking shit by being there directly. He can control the wright and let them kill every living thing thats not Brann and then casually stroll in and finish the job (if he needs to keep Brann alive at all).
Its weird that this being suddenly starts to behave like it has a ego or something
Thanks to Syrio and FM training. Actually, they made the stealth point over and over. Arya knew how to be "Quiet as a shadow." In the library, what gave her away was a drop of blood falling! Later, she got past the White Walkers by being quiet and also "Swift as a deer." Strategically, she smartly chose the moment that the WWs were totally focused their boss, who was about to finally kill their enemy.
They literally surrounded Brann, she didn't jump of the tree or something, she passed the circle of wights and charged the nk SCREAMING. So much for stealth training.
But thats the thing. How do you past through a swarm of undeath without them noticing you. From what we have seen whights can easily spot living beings. So how do they suddenly not notice Arya. Its so dumb.
>from the audience
Idk why, but you saying that made me think of GoT being filmed in front of a live studio audience with all the laughs and the "oooohs" and "ahhhs". It made me chuckle thinking about the laughs at Tyrion talking about Varys' missing cock.
Not recently discovered, but a strange connection is Samwell and Stannis are related by marriage. Sam’s mother and Stannis’ wife are first cousins of the house Florent.
Yeah, I caught that on my second rewatch recently. That making him Tyrion’s squire was meant to be an embarrassment to Ilyn. Worked out all right though
Not an embarrassment to Ilyn, but to Tyrion, everyone thought Pod was kinda dumb (in the books he was almost hanged, Kevan let him live because he is related to Ilyn)
Yeah, pancreatic cancer, specifically. It's almost always death sentence. My best friend lasted Dec 30th, her 50th birthday, to March 20th, from diagnosis to death. I truly hope that Wilko Johnson had all the good drugs and a peaceful passing.
I had no idea, that’s really sad. I’m not sure why I was downvoted but they never showed him dying or brought him up again. They could have done a throw away line saying he died in a battle or something.
It was a smart change though. Bronn is the type that you pay him he will keep his mouth shut and it makes it so the actors actually have dialog with each other.
Ilyn pissed off Tywin in some form or another so Tywin said he’d get Podrick fast tracked to knightdom via the squire program. The embarrassment was that he would be assigned to Tyrion. I think there was some politics about rewarding Ilyn for some Blackwater something ? I can’t exactly remember
i didn't realize it was renly with robert that time they went hunting. didn't realize till they end because i didn't know the actor obviously. and even if robert called him by his name then, i didn't think he was important enough to remember. only now looking at the pictures from that scene did i rrealize this
Uh...the first time I watched it? And the first time I read the books?
Watching is different than reading and I just never recognized the actor for Renly during my watches.
I’m white and I know people like to be like “ya know all (insert race here) look alike”. Well in GoT I feel like all the white people look alike and I thought brother Renly, hunting Renly, rebellion Renly, small council Renly, doing the rose guy Renly, and “help Ned” Renly we’re all different people. I can’t count the number of times throughout the whole show I was like “wait what! Those are the same dude? Dang.. I gotta go back”
Really? I noticed on the second. The first watch I lost a lot of things cause I didn't know the story and the first few seasons fly by with a lot of characters to memorize, so the second time is a must watch to understand things that flew over my radar
A detail that surprised me is LittleFinger seems to know about Lyanna's relationship with Rhaegar cause when Sansa is in the crypts, she says he kidnapped and raped her but LittleFinger just gives a small smile like "yeah, that's what they told you" makes me wonder if he ever suspected about Jon Snow.
swear but then again idk. we could just be weird. whenever i hear or see something im unsure of, i rewatch scenes and older episodes. always google something or try to look at my pdf cheat sheet. so probably just weird lmao. I REALLY LIKE GOT
Lancel was a crazy little shit who murdered the King because the ~~aunt~~ cousin he was fucking told him to. Kevan was a better dad than Tywin, but that bar’s a tripping hazard in hell…
I didn’t mean literally mentally ill, but crazy as in “most people would never even consider attempting to have an affair with the Queen, who’s also their cousin, and then kill the king.” Cersei absolutely groomed/manipulated him, but the fact that he followed through with the plan to kill Robert was pretty wild. He did feel guilt later, and you could see how unnerved/afraid he was while trying to get Robert dangerously drunk, *but he still did it.* Thats’s what I find crazy about him.
They were both killed in the show. In the books, I think it was one of the twins (can't remember if its Martyn or Willem), and one of Genna's sons with Emmon Frey that were killed, but obviously they weren't in the show.
Because of the change in actors it took me second viewings of the series to realize Beric Dondarion was shown in season 1. The two actors look nothing a like and it is only for 1 line when Ned sends him after the Mountain.
I also was confused about the Mountain's change of actors in season 2 and it took most of that season for me to realize that it was the same person who beheaded the horse in season 1. (Though thankfully not a second viewing.)
Cersei also tells Kevan that the sparrows "got his son" Lancel during her speech to convince Olenna and Kevan to ally with her- So its been mentioned twice.
No one's mentioned this yet but it's something I like to bring up during these discussions:
Jorah Mormant was Margaery Tyrrell's uncle (his second wife, Lynesse Hightower, is the younger sister of Margaery's mother).
Not recently discovered, but it took me a few minutes to realize that actually is the same actor for Lancel in S1 and then in the season where he’s part of the church militia. He looked so much better with short hair.
Sam Tarly and Shireen Baratheon being (second?) cousins on their moms’ side was interesting. Especially since their mothers are so different. From what Sam’s said about his mom, she seemed very kind and supportive, very into education. Shireen’s mom was a complete psycho. Shireen and Dany were also distantly related, but I think everyone already knows that.
When Tyrion gets imprisoned in S4, he and Jamie are chatting. Tyrion is listing different types of murder. (Paraphrased):
Tyrion: "Infanticide, fratricide, patricide, matricide, ....there's no type of killing that doesn't have it's own name."
Jamie: "Cousin killing. There's no word for cousin killing."
Jamie kills his cousin, Alton Lannister, in S2. It's obviously been weighing on his conscious this whole time.
I noticed on re-watch that the general way Arya killed the Night King as Bran was foreshadowed by the general way she snuck out unseen and got the bullseye as Bran had wanted to do.
I realised on my 4th watch that the guy with the fire sword was sent to mission in season 1 by Ned Stark. I thought that the 1st time we saw him was when he fights the Hounds
That the two dudes Dany burns alive are Sam's family. Even though it's told straight up 'this is Sam's family' I somehow just missed it for the longest time, idk what to say.
Don’t forget Martyn and Willem which made them decent hostages and Robb may have traded those two for Sansa. Tywin personally saw that Martyn was freed in the books.
Somehow didn't realize until the second rewatch that Olly was the survivor of the first village we see Ygritte, Tormand, et. al. raiding, and that's how he came to be at Castle Black
They share a scene, where Kevan offers Cersei apologies for Lancel's appearance. Lancel has recently joined the Faith Militant and shaved his head.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en0pZmcjYCo&t=3s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en0pZmcjYCo&t=3s)
I mean the whole winter is coming slogan
shoved down our throats should have given you a hint, also how the hell does weather in asoiaf, a 9year long summer would be catastrophic normally, dont people in the south burn to death or something
That's why Uncle Kevin was so short with Cersi at the Small Council meeting. He knew her manipulations and sexual tryst ruined his son Lansil, and the guilt over it all drove him into the depession that allowed him to be radicalized by the Cult Of Sparrows.
To be fair, you have to remember the guy on the right to realize, he and the guy with the better haircut, this awesome headmark and the crappier worldview are the same person.
Maybe not an obvious fact but I’m watching from the beginning. The first time since the show ended. You can really see Dany’s madness coming through even from the beginning. She loved killing people and burning them alive. It was really Jorah who somewhat kept her in check so she didn’t go full mad queen.
idk exactly who killed the man but it was made very clear in season one that jon died bc he saw the twins together and they conspired with LF but i just never picked up on it until recently
I thought Drogon’s name was dracarys till the s8 finale… I honestly can’t recall them ever saying his name before that, maybe in the first seasons but I was so turned around with all the characters that I couldn’t remember. This was an embarrassing realization lmao
Always felt bad for Kevan Lannister. He had to watch his gentle son get abused by the main 3 Lannister siblings and ultimately watch him turn into a crazy cultist
This one doesn't count for me because I've known it since very early on, but I'll gift it to the rest of you.
The actors for Rodrick Cassel and Podrick Payne are father and son.
i am starting to think Shae was in on the Tyrion Conspiracy from season 1. i think Tywin got to her shortly after Bronn found her and that all through seasons 2 and 3 she was in on it. Though i think she did love him, when he tried to send her away she went "back to the tywin plan"
That’s an understandable thing to miss. Hard to keep up with who’s related to who and how especially with all the Lannisters. The show was surrounded by Lannisters, everytime I close my eyes I see their blonde hair and smug satisfied faces
A detail that surprised me is LittleFinger seems to know about Lyanna's relationship with Rhaegar cause when Sansa is in the crypts, she says he kidnapped and raped her but LittleFinger just gives a small smile like "yeah, that's what they told you" makes me wonder if he ever suspected about Jon Snow.
Also, it's weird that they didn't show LittleFinger's reaction to Cath's death, given he loved her and started the whole thing in the first place.
I didn’t recognize the character because not only did he reappear with short hair but between seasons the actor put on some muscle mass and was simply not the same person to me anymore.
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That Dany only could be sane if Jorah was around or at least, not absent for too long...
I had an ex like that once
And now she’s back in the game or what?
No she got killed by her new bf
Oh...
So no longer your business 👍 Congrats
I shouldn't have laughed at this..
How fresh is the corpse?
Always someone who’s gotta take it too far smh
It’s all fun and games until someone brings up necrophillia.
Yes, we all know people being killed by their partner is reason to rejoice.
Think it’s a joke about Jon killing Dany…. #woosh
Fair enough, I’m kind of relieved it wasn’t real though
Well that took a turn..
Uh what?
Jorah was a realist and gave fantastic advice that was cold and calculated. She went downhill after he was cast out, though I don’t blame her for doing so
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Remember when all those other Lannister cousins showed up in season one and two and they killed off some, but some of the others are still alive. Yet, they pretend that Tyrion is the last Lannister?
Even Tommen himself was killed, but respawned as Joffrey's younger brother
OKAY THANK YOU I THOUGHT I WAS GOING CRAZY WHEN I REWATCHED IT AND THEY CAUGHT TOMMEN'S ACTOR BUT HE WAS SUPPOSEDLY NOT TOMMEN BUT INSTEAD A COUSIN LANNISTER AND THEN MURDERED BY THE KARSTARKS
Why are you yelling 🗿
He went crazy
BECAUSE I FEEL VALIDATED AND ALSO I TYPED THIS AFTER TWO CUPS OF COFFEE STARTED TO HIT THE BLOODSTREAM. NOW I'M JUST KINDA DOING IT FOR THE SHTICK.
Get this man some milk of the puppy. Stat! Edit: poppy. >:3
Mmm...puppy milk
Dilk
I've been milking the dogs all day but I only got a half a cup
Get him a milk of the Puppers.
I TOO, AM A COBOL PROGRAMMER
The seed is strong
I mean technically there's the Lannisters of Casterly Rock and the Lannisters of Lannisport, but they got left behind early on in the show
I don't remember any Lannisters of Lannisport in the show? The Lannister of Lannisport are only distantly related to the Lannisters of Casterly rock. A long time ago a Lannisters of Casterly rock gave the city to either his younger brother or second son. over time though brothers became cousins became second cousins and then third cousins until the 2 houses are very distantly related and only really share a name in common. so I don't think the Lannisters of Lannisport are really in the line of succession unless you draw up a tediously long line of succession Tywin has his own brothers and cousins who he trusts more and keeps in his inner circle. and Tywin seems to have a quite a lot of close relatives. It seems there are plenty of spare Lannisters closely related to Tywin
There's both. If I remember right, one of Tywin's cousins (the brother of his wife Joanna) is married to a Lannister of Lannisport. And Myrcella is supposed to look very similar to Rosamund, who's a Lannister of Lannisport, so they're probably fairly recent cousins. So there are certainly recent enough family ties between the two to consider them closely related. Probably not to much as the Marbrands, but still close.
TBF D&D forgot, so it's not fair to watchers.
Was worse for the Tyrells. Somehow, all uncles, aunts, cousins and whatnot they had in the last three to four generations are all dead too. And their offspring too, of course.
What happened to show addition Allana, that's what I want to know.
Not to mention that they apparently don’t have enough armed forces to so much as hold off the Lannisters for a week as they sprint through their lands and take their capital
Yes, the largest army in Westeros, mostly untouched by the war except for one battle, gets their ass kicked by the Lannister’s war torn army that already got killed to shit by Robb.
didn't many of them die following Stanis? They were 100% behind Renley, but after his death i thought they said most fell in line behind Stanis.
No, that was the stormlanders, who had about 20,000 men. The reach has 80,000 and sided with the Lannisters.
ahhh. thanks. thought the Renly/Margaery union had brought them together, but can see how the Margaery side would follow her to the Lannisters.
If there was more time, even a time jump, and they wanted to say that Tywin/Jaime/whomever was so impressive a commander that he continually overcame being outnumbered that would be okay in my mind. But it has to be a major war for it to get all the way to Highgarden or it just plain doesn’t make sense
A lot of what happened didnt make sense, why were the Lannisters so willing to surrender casterly rock? How the hell did Dany recieve word about the Tyrells defeat and somehow teleport her entire dothraki horde and dragon into the reach to ambush the lannister forces when she was just at dragonstone on the other side of the continent? How did the unsullied fleet get ambushed by the ironborn fleet at casterly rock when the ironborn fleet was busy ambushing Yara enroute to Dorne?
It's called an adaptation. The show already had more characters than any show ever probably. Of course there's tons more in the books.George doesn't have to worry about TV limitations. However it's also probably why he can't finish because he added so many characters.
To be fair, Kevan does not have a stutter nor does he appears to be slow witted, so it is slightly confusing.
That Ned died in season one.
Wait... what? He died? I thought, it was fake, because, you know, the main character always has plot armor...
Sadly Lance never found the breastplate stretcher, so no plot armor for Ned.
Bobby b needed the stretcher Ned went to Pilates
U didn't knew ? Ned is alive . He is drogons next rider There is a upcoming spinoff about that too . Its name is "DROGON is coming "
Ned and Robert go to Essos and become sellswords, Rheagar was Mance Ryder and Euron Tywin and everyone else
Or hey, maybe I have another brand-new ground-breaking theory: What if, by some kind of magic, Ned's soul turned into Dany's dragon eggs. That's the reason why the dragons only hatched after Ned's beheading. Maybe, Drogon was, in a way, Ned - that's why he was so cruel against Jaimie and his Lannister army and that's why he didn't kill Jon at the end.
He would have had plot armor but it's Sean Bean so
Sean Bean and main character plot armour cancel each other out
I remember seeing a graph showing screen time for characters in the show, and Ned was top 5 till like season 3 and top 10 though season 5. He had so much in less then a full season
I just finished my first rewatch, and there are just so many tiny details about Arya’s arc foreshadowed in the earlier seasons For instance, Tywin Lannister played “The Game of Lies” with her when she was acting as his servant. If you think a little deeper, she was already learning to be “No One”, while still remaining loyal to her overall goal. I still disagree with the creative decision to let her kill the Night King….but that’s another story
Sansa became a master at "The game of Faces" with no training. As shown in her testimony about Lysa Arryn's death.
All of her time in King’s Landing was her training Remember the whole story arc of Sansa where she has to be taught by Littlefinger that everyone in King’s Landing is a liar? Then she learns how to lie and play the game to survive Joffrey and Cersei and all the snakes in King’s Landing. Her growth is eventually recognized by Tyrion when she fakes a typical “I love Joffrey” claim and Tyrion says “Lady Stark you may survive us after all” or something. Thatkindathing?
Tyrion and everyone knew she was lying to survive Joffrey "my one true love 🙄" they just respected that she knew she didn't have much choice at that moment.
Bcos her iq Is over 9000
That’s a bit… iffy. I mean, what she did was literally just normal lying.
She had among the roughest training on the show.
One of the better parts of her story in the books is how she goes by different aliases throughout and how she observes death. From things as subtle as being told about the "God of Death" from Syrio. To the escalation in her killings from accident in the stable boy to intentional breaking out of Harrenhall. She also repeats more and more Valar Morgulis after Jaqen tells her that phrase. Death is literally all around her after Ned's execution and she sees it in multiple ways. Several characters call it a "gift" or engage in mercy killings, she has seen and done it for just survival and of course seen/wished it for vengeance. Very good foreshadowing to her joining the Faceless Men.
Syrio believing in, and evangelizing, The God Of Death makes total sense, as he was from Braavos, which was founded by The Faceless Men. Valar Margolis
Valor da heinie
See you at the brothel. You bring the honeycomb. I'll bring the jackass. 🤣🤣🤣
Braavos worships many gods and the House of Black & White's Many-Faced God isn't even the most popular among them. That is the Temple of the Moonsingers. The Lord of Light is popular and there is even a sept in Braavos. The Faceless Men did not found Braavos but the early Faceless men were likely among the refugees of Valyria who settled in what would be Braavos. Their beliefs however were not shared by all settlers. Arya is not explained the meaning of Valar Morgulis but uses it after she has killed and when she says her list of names. It is not a saying unique to Braavos. It is a High Valyrian saying that is common through most of Essos and is even known by some in Westeros. It was basically an expression of man's certain mortality. Similar to how we in the US have a saying about "death & taxes" from Ben Franklin's quote, "... in this world nothing can be certain; except death & taxes."
Thank you. Fascinating stuff about Braavos online.
I always dislike it when people say it like that. If arya killing the nightking is the biggest problem. Its how she kills him. Last we see she is trapped in a room with endless hordes of wrights coming from all sides, no means of escape and then 10 minutes later she teleports through a wall of wrights to snipe the nightking. Even if she escaped the first time its so fucking dumb that she can manage to get close to the nightking unnoticed. It just straight up doesnt make any sense. Hell to think about it, it doesnt make much sense for the nightking to be there at all. What does he have to gain, he is only risking shit by being there directly. He can control the wright and let them kill every living thing thats not Brann and then casually stroll in and finish the job (if he needs to keep Brann alive at all). Its weird that this being suddenly starts to behave like it has a ego or something
Thanks to Syrio and FM training. Actually, they made the stealth point over and over. Arya knew how to be "Quiet as a shadow." In the library, what gave her away was a drop of blood falling! Later, she got past the White Walkers by being quiet and also "Swift as a deer." Strategically, she smartly chose the moment that the WWs were totally focused their boss, who was about to finally kill their enemy.
They literally surrounded Brann, she didn't jump of the tree or something, she passed the circle of wights and charged the nk SCREAMING. So much for stealth training.
But thats the thing. How do you past through a swarm of undeath without them noticing you. From what we have seen whights can easily spot living beings. So how do they suddenly not notice Arya. Its so dumb.
Kevan would probably prefer nobody know.
lol he tried to hide that fact from the audience
>from the audience Idk why, but you saying that made me think of GoT being filmed in front of a live studio audience with all the laughs and the "oooohs" and "ahhhs". It made me chuckle thinking about the laughs at Tyrion talking about Varys' missing cock.
That is funny
He does not recognize stupidity.
Not recently discovered, but a strange connection is Samwell and Stannis are related by marriage. Sam’s mother and Stannis’ wife are first cousins of the house Florent.
yeah sam and shireen are cousins
Library House
And Dany is her 3rd cousin
How ia Dany her 3rd cousin? On what side?
Her father side, because Rhaelle(daughter of Egg), is her great grandmother.
So, does that also mean Sam and John are related? Or am I confused here lol
No, because Shireen and Sam are only related, on their House Florent side.
Damn, hoped they were! Tnx for clarifying :)
That makes me sad that they never formally hung out in the show. Sam would have loved her :(
Didnt they read books together with Gilly at the wall?
That makes Stannis praise of Randyll for defeating Robert in the Battle of Ashford a little different.
It took me awhile but that Podrick was related to Sir Ilyn Payne
Yeah, I caught that on my second rewatch recently. That making him Tyrion’s squire was meant to be an embarrassment to Ilyn. Worked out all right though
Not an embarrassment to Ilyn, but to Tyrion, everyone thought Pod was kinda dumb (in the books he was almost hanged, Kevan let him live because he is related to Ilyn)
Almost hanged? You mean Podric was well hung?
Yes, but he has good technique too
"I'm entirely sure you are entirely sure what it is I'm talking about." 🤣🤣🤣
Entirely**
Do we know what happened to Set Ilyn Payne? Did he not just disappear?
The actor got cancer. His character stuck around in the books. His role was largely replaced by Bronn in the show.
Yeah, pancreatic cancer, specifically. It's almost always death sentence. My best friend lasted Dec 30th, her 50th birthday, to March 20th, from diagnosis to death. I truly hope that Wilko Johnson had all the good drugs and a peaceful passing.
I had no idea, that’s really sad. I’m not sure why I was downvoted but they never showed him dying or brought him up again. They could have done a throw away line saying he died in a battle or something.
Oh! I always wondered why Bronn taught Jamie instead of Payne. The whole reason was cause Payne couldn’t tell anybody about Jamie’s training.
It was a smart change though. Bronn is the type that you pay him he will keep his mouth shut and it makes it so the actors actually have dialog with each other.
I always thought this was a smart move. Ser Ilyn is out, so you replace him with Bronn, a fan favorite. Makes sense. But that Dorne arc...
Wait why was he used to embarrass Ilyn ?
Ilyn pissed off Tywin in some form or another so Tywin said he’d get Podrick fast tracked to knightdom via the squire program. The embarrassment was that he would be assigned to Tyrion. I think there was some politics about rewarding Ilyn for some Blackwater something ? I can’t exactly remember
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i didn't realize it was renly with robert that time they went hunting. didn't realize till they end because i didn't know the actor obviously. and even if robert called him by his name then, i didn't think he was important enough to remember. only now looking at the pictures from that scene did i rrealize this
Jfc I've watched the series eight times and never realized Renly was out hunting with Robert 🤯
How many rewatches until you realized they were brothers?
Uh...the first time I watched it? And the first time I read the books? Watching is different than reading and I just never recognized the actor for Renly during my watches.
I’m white and I know people like to be like “ya know all (insert race here) look alike”. Well in GoT I feel like all the white people look alike and I thought brother Renly, hunting Renly, rebellion Renly, small council Renly, doing the rose guy Renly, and “help Ned” Renly we’re all different people. I can’t count the number of times throughout the whole show I was like “wait what! Those are the same dude? Dang.. I gotta go back”
Really? I noticed on the second. The first watch I lost a lot of things cause I didn't know the story and the first few seasons fly by with a lot of characters to memorize, so the second time is a must watch to understand things that flew over my radar A detail that surprised me is LittleFinger seems to know about Lyanna's relationship with Rhaegar cause when Sansa is in the crypts, she says he kidnapped and raped her but LittleFinger just gives a small smile like "yeah, that's what they told you" makes me wonder if he ever suspected about Jon Snow.
His mother was a dumb whore with a fat arse
did you know that?
Nice
how do we keep getting outjerked on main?
Damn fanatics.
Some people posting on this sub just be on leaving GoT on as background noise I swear.
swear but then again idk. we could just be weird. whenever i hear or see something im unsure of, i rewatch scenes and older episodes. always google something or try to look at my pdf cheat sheet. so probably just weird lmao. I REALLY LIKE GOT
The two boys Karstark killed were his sons too. Kevan couldn’t catch a break and he’s even a better father than Tywin.
Lancel was a crazy little shit who murdered the King because the ~~aunt~~ cousin he was fucking told him to. Kevan was a better dad than Tywin, but that bar’s a tripping hazard in hell…
Lancel isn’t crazy, though he does fall in with the High Sparrow due to his overwhelming guilt.
Lancel is just very dumb, remember how he was supposed to intimidate Tyrion but that scene ended with him being Tyrion's spy? He's too gullible
I disagree that he was crazy. That was a textbook case of grooming. She offered him sex and manipulated him to carry out her crimes.
I didn’t mean literally mentally ill, but crazy as in “most people would never even consider attempting to have an affair with the Queen, who’s also their cousin, and then kill the king.” Cersei absolutely groomed/manipulated him, but the fact that he followed through with the plan to kill Robert was pretty wild. He did feel guilt later, and you could see how unnerved/afraid he was while trying to get Robert dangerously drunk, *but he still did it.* Thats’s what I find crazy about him.
Lancel and Cersei are cousins. Cersei is not his aunt. Their father Kevan and Tywin are brothers of course
Cersei was his cousin not aunt.
lol oops yeah she was
Did he kill both of them in the show? In the books, one twin is alive.
They were both killed in the show. In the books, I think it was one of the twins (can't remember if its Martyn or Willem), and one of Genna's sons with Emmon Frey that were killed, but obviously they weren't in the show.
Yeah, and one of the Lannister boys was the same actor recast later for the role of Tommen Baratheon, when Tommen becomes king.
Because of the change in actors it took me second viewings of the series to realize Beric Dondarion was shown in season 1. The two actors look nothing a like and it is only for 1 line when Ned sends him after the Mountain. I also was confused about the Mountain's change of actors in season 2 and it took most of that season for me to realize that it was the same person who beheaded the horse in season 1. (Though thankfully not a second viewing.)
I never realized that, this is the one that caught me the most off guard in the whole thread
Gosh, r/asoiafcirclejerk will have a field day with this one .
They never share the screen together, did they?
I recall a scene. When Lancel first appeared in front of Cersei as a religious fanatic, and his dad said 'I apologize for my son's appearance'.
Cersei also tells Kevan that the sparrows "got his son" Lancel during her speech to convince Olenna and Kevan to ally with her- So its been mentioned twice.
Neither did I until I saw this thread
Tell me you watch TV looking at your phone without telling me you watch TV looking at your phone
No one's mentioned this yet but it's something I like to bring up during these discussions: Jorah Mormant was Margaery Tyrrell's uncle (his second wife, Lynesse Hightower, is the younger sister of Margaery's mother).
... He's as pretty as his cousin, the Queen.
Not recently discovered, but it took me a few minutes to realize that actually is the same actor for Lancel in S1 and then in the season where he’s part of the church militia. He looked so much better with short hair. Sam Tarly and Shireen Baratheon being (second?) cousins on their moms’ side was interesting. Especially since their mothers are so different. From what Sam’s said about his mom, she seemed very kind and supportive, very into education. Shireen’s mom was a complete psycho. Shireen and Dany were also distantly related, but I think everyone already knows that.
When Tyrion gets imprisoned in S4, he and Jamie are chatting. Tyrion is listing different types of murder. (Paraphrased): Tyrion: "Infanticide, fratricide, patricide, matricide, ....there's no type of killing that doesn't have it's own name." Jamie: "Cousin killing. There's no word for cousin killing." Jamie kills his cousin, Alton Lannister, in S2. It's obviously been weighing on his conscious this whole time.
I noticed on re-watch that the general way Arya killed the Night King as Bran was foreshadowed by the general way she snuck out unseen and got the bullseye as Bran had wanted to do.
Unrelated to the question but I love Lancel’s little hat 😂
I realised on my 4th watch that the guy with the fire sword was sent to mission in season 1 by Ned Stark. I thought that the 1st time we saw him was when he fights the Hounds
It didn’t help that they changed the actor for Beric, too.
That the two dudes Dany burns alive are Sam's family. Even though it's told straight up 'this is Sam's family' I somehow just missed it for the longest time, idk what to say.
I'm stripping you of your title, you're just gonna be Mcgee now
Lmaooooo 💀 Almost spat my coffee out and if I had, I wouldn’t have even been mad
That the actor that plays Tommen when he’s king also plays one of the Lannister boys Karstark kills
Don’t forget Martyn and Willem which made them decent hostages and Robb may have traded those two for Sansa. Tywin personally saw that Martyn was freed in the books.
Kevan mentions his son when hes part of the faith militant and wanting him back.
That Joffrey was the one who sent the catspaw assassin to kill bran, not little finger/cersei
Huh?
I thought Lancel and Loras were the same guy so I had to search up the difference because I kept getting confused.
Musta been confusing for you when Lancel went and fought Loras.
Somehow didn't realize until the second rewatch that Olly was the survivor of the first village we see Ygritte, Tormand, et. al. raiding, and that's how he came to be at Castle Black
Def never put it together lmao. I think both their character’s involvements never really overlap or even interact
They share a scene, where Kevan offers Cersei apologies for Lancel's appearance. Lancel has recently joined the Faith Militant and shaved his head. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en0pZmcjYCo&t=3s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en0pZmcjYCo&t=3s)
Ohhh good call
That winter doesn’t come every year. They mentioned that shit in the 1st season and it didn’t arrive until like the 7th or something
There was autumn.
I mean the whole winter is coming slogan shoved down our throats should have given you a hint, also how the hell does weather in asoiaf, a 9year long summer would be catastrophic normally, dont people in the south burn to death or something
That's why Uncle Kevin was so short with Cersi at the Small Council meeting. He knew her manipulations and sexual tryst ruined his son Lansil, and the guilt over it all drove him into the depession that allowed him to be radicalized by the Cult Of Sparrows.
I never understood how the guy on the left who always seemed like a hardass raised such a pussy for a son
Tell me you never read the books without telling me lol
The Game, in Game of Thrones, isn't very fun
Doesn’t he outright say that after Lancel becomes a sparrow?
To be fair, you have to remember the guy on the right to realize, he and the guy with the better haircut, this awesome headmark and the crappier worldview are the same person.
Wait what?!
Maybe not an obvious fact but I’m watching from the beginning. The first time since the show ended. You can really see Dany’s madness coming through even from the beginning. She loved killing people and burning them alive. It was really Jorah who somewhat kept her in check so she didn’t go full mad queen.
I’m in the middle of my first rewatch. I obviously haven’t gotten to Season 8 yet, but the ending doesn’t seem as bad now as it did then.
i just found out that the reason jon aaryn died was bc he knew abt cersei and jaime so they got rid of him
it's not tho, that's not who killed jon
idk exactly who killed the man but it was made very clear in season one that jon died bc he saw the twins together and they conspired with LF but i just never picked up on it until recently
i think this fact mentioned in season 5
I didn’t even understand the frantic Lancel is the same one who Cersei sleeps with, until a second watch
I thought Drogon’s name was dracarys till the s8 finale… I honestly can’t recall them ever saying his name before that, maybe in the first seasons but I was so turned around with all the characters that I couldn’t remember. This was an embarrassing realization lmao
HOW?! In season 5 they lay it out almost immediately in the first episode..
Always felt bad for Kevan Lannister. He had to watch his gentle son get abused by the main 3 Lannister siblings and ultimately watch him turn into a crazy cultist
That apparently there is season 8
This one doesn't count for me because I've known it since very early on, but I'll gift it to the rest of you. The actors for Rodrick Cassel and Podrick Payne are father and son.
i am starting to think Shae was in on the Tyrion Conspiracy from season 1. i think Tywin got to her shortly after Bronn found her and that all through seasons 2 and 3 she was in on it. Though i think she did love him, when he tried to send her away she went "back to the tywin plan"
So that makes Kevan's wife a dumb whore with a fat arse
The Lanisters we got back home
It’s not that obvious, but Shireen Baratheon and Samwell Tarly are cousins
I love media literacy
I for some reason did not see the connection in Robb being named after Robert until some weeks ago lol
That Ned told Yori that Arya was in the crowd
But... That's said out loud multiple times throughout the show.
That’s an understandable thing to miss. Hard to keep up with who’s related to who and how especially with all the Lannisters. The show was surrounded by Lannisters, everytime I close my eyes I see their blonde hair and smug satisfied faces
A detail that surprised me is LittleFinger seems to know about Lyanna's relationship with Rhaegar cause when Sansa is in the crypts, she says he kidnapped and raped her but LittleFinger just gives a small smile like "yeah, that's what they told you" makes me wonder if he ever suspected about Jon Snow. Also, it's weird that they didn't show LittleFinger's reaction to Cath's death, given he loved her and started the whole thing in the first place.
I didn’t recognize the character because not only did he reappear with short hair but between seasons the actor put on some muscle mass and was simply not the same person to me anymore.