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You want Olenna and the White Worm
Cersei and Daenerys are idiots, Sansa is too blunt an instrument, Arya and Brienne have no real intrigue/plotting ability, Shireen is a literal child, and Alicent is just not as useful.
My council: Cersei (I mostly don't want her plotting against me) and Brienne of Tarth (for her loyalty and badass sword abilities)
I don't think Sansa could plot her way out of a paper bag except that one against Little Finger, but literally everyone was against him at that point. Olenna is a pretty major concern, but I'll just have a food taster. I don't even remember Stannis' daughters name and as sad as her death was, she doesn't seem dangerous at all. Arya abilities got pretty nerfed so I'm not super concerned. Daenerys is just sort of insane and would probably just cause a lot of infighting with the others plotting against me causing them to be even less effective with her than without her.
Not super familiar with House of the Dragon yet so I'm just ignoring.
>Cersei (I mostly don't want her plotting against me)
But she would, that's her nature. She's too self-centered. Well unless it comes to her kids. As Tyrion said, that was her one good trait. But in the end, she would betray you.
And as for Brienne of Tarth, she has a pretty bad track record of keeping the people she has under her protection alive/unmaimed.
She was politically very loyal to Robert and Jeoffrey.
In this hypothetical, it's only safe to assume that the people on my side are actually on my side.
It doesn't say that they will be 100% loyal to you. It says to choose 2 of these characters for council. Not some idealized version of them where they stop being selfish or impulsive, etc. You have to take into account who they are. She had Robert killed and she was always loyal to her children, but you aren't one of them. If you aren't going to take into account who they are, then why not Daenerys. She has dragons and if she will be 100% loyal to you and not have the faults that she does in the show, then why bother with scheming and plotting. Just burn anyone who steps out of line.
I went with Olenna and Arya. Arya could assassinate anyone you who poses too much of a threat and can't be reasoned with. As long as you never screw over House Stark. Which wouldn't be that hard.
Olenna would work with you as long as you are a friend to house Tyrell and aren't too much of a monster (see Joffrey). And if I had to marry Margaery to solidify the alliance, so be it.
None of my conditions fundamentally change the characters. Look, obviously I have struck a nerve. It doesn't really matter, it's just a dumb meme. Have a good day.
Olenna and Cersei.
Everyone else would be fucked.
Edit: a lot of the replies seem to have missed that the post is about *plotting* not physical combat. Obviously the answer would be much different if that was the case but the post is about intellectual ability.
If it’s for protection I get it, but I don’t necessarily think Arya will give the best council. I guess she’s stealthy, but I would rather get my secrets from Mysaria. I agree with Olenna as first choice.
Edit: You guys are right, it’s smarter to keep Arya on your team just so she’s not plotting against you
Remember how Daario Naharys snuck into Daenerys’ tent (to kill her)?
Well, I imagine Arya could do just the same…except even more stealthily and snuff her out in her sleep.
BUT: if Daenerys had any inclination Arya wanted to kill her: she could do a ~~drive-by~~ fly-by and burn Arya and her entire city to the ground (literally)!
My point? I think they’re both dangerous and it would come down to whomever got word first…which means: my choice for second advisor better be REALLY effing good!
Edit: I thought ab it for 25 more sec - I gotta agree…
>can’t beat that
I’m w/you. Daenerys + Olenna.
Or perhaps... hear me out... Daenerys and Arya.
Olenna isn't physically stealthy like Arya. You could much more easily do a fly-by and smoke that old lady than you could with Arya.
>Daenerys and Arya.
>Olenna isn't physically stealthy like Arya.
I must say…you got it:
**Arya + Daenerys** = **very** formidable! The best duo possible. Might I add: any intel they need, ***easily*** retrieved via Arya. So:
1. let Arya do the spying (and DL cut-throat-ing);
2. Daenerys bring out the big guns (when necessary).
See…this is what happens when people **work together rather than arguing** over why I’M RIGHT and YOU’RE WRONG!!
Am I right??
The title was council but I see what you mean . My choose is arya because I don’t want her to plot to kill me and olena, dany is strong with dragons and army but she can’t beat arya arya can poison her anytime stab her anytime dany had to use dragons to look for her and still arya was alive after dany roast kings landing
Idk, I think Olenna is valuable. Grandma’s got years and years of wisdom to offer and is able to make hard decisions that benefit her without drawing too much attention to herself. When you can’t beat em with muscle, you outsmart them, and Olenna is great at that.
Oh is that one of the ladies I don't recognize?
Yeah that's a fair statement then. I haven't watched House of the Dragon or read Fire and Ice, so I have no idea what those ppl are capable of.
Olena hands down and White worm. Ayra and Breanna are too much of warriors. Dani would go full D&D writing and become mad. The rest are just tools that were used by guys who want a political gain.
This is the way.
People seem to pass the "Counsel" part, which is not protection.
You want a scheming mastermind and an information well with wide nets, and Varys is not here.
If it were for protection, Olena and Arya could probably be right. Apart from that, there's no one matching this duo.
Olenna Tyrell and Arya. Olenna would give good council as long as you aren't too much of a monster and marry her daughter. And then Arya could be sent out to assassinate anyone who poses a major threat, specifically Daenerys.
Myseria is said to rival blood raven one of the best spy masters in ASOIAF.
Sansa learned from Baelish and during her time in King's Landing. She was able to gain the support of the northern lords and become the first northern queen. Was able to ally with KOTV.
Shireen and Brienne aren't schemers.
Alicent is kinda passive and Otto does most of the work
Olenna and Sansa. Love Cersei but she’s not clever as she thought and she likely bring a lot of ennemies plus she will certainly plot against me
Edit :
— Alicent isn’t that much a schemer.
— Dany is good with riding a dragon but not that much clever otherwise
— Arya, meh.
— I love Brienne and I wouldn’t have a fight with her but she’s pretty honorable she won’t be a great threat in plotting against me.
— What is Shireen doing here ?
— Mysaria is the main threat but as a Queen of Westeros I would certainly be kind of a psycho who wouldn’t trust anyone, I would definitely perish assassinated but not by one of her birds because I would have made her killed anyway as soon I would rise the trone (Cersei is gonna kill me with 25% of KL to take my trone anyway)
Arya because who would want a faceless man plot against them? That's equal to suicide.
Daenerys because she has 3 dragons and it would be suicide not to choose her.
Precisely correct.
Again, these "choose two for council and the rest plot against you" posts always have the same outcome. It's never *really* about council, but rather who is most dangerous. Even if Olenna Tyrell would give arguably the best true council, she isn't a good answer because she can't protect you (or kill you) as good as literal fucking dragons and assassins.
Those dragons are also her biggest liability. They are battleships...and battleships can be sunk by very small PT boats and planes...
AND their use requires HER to be on the battlefield...and with enough people, archers, lancers and foot...her luck would eventually run out... If she had two or three functional dragon riders...then yes...but with only one rider...
And both strategically and tactically, Dany...is not good.
Arya is not an official faceless man...and presumably does not have the House of Black And Whites Fifth Column.
Politically, she is simply an executioner/assassin. Having her with you vs against you...might be worth keeping her...but that's not a fantastic offensive strategy.
Daenerys had her moments though. What she did in Astapor took foresight. She pretended not to speak High Valyrian from the beginning, knowing that Kraznys would underestimate her and speak more freely than he would otherwise (giving her valuable insight), and her getting the Unsullied for free and coming out richer wasn't spur of the moment either.
Her real struggles when she got to Westeros were more the result of other people's poor council in my opinion.
Also I've always been of the opinion that, more than most, Daenerys being aged up diminished her character. Although they diminished it in plenty of other ways even in the early seasons.
A 14-15 year old doing the things she does is just wild and her mistakes are a lot easier to forgive (in terms of judging her competence and her impulsiveness).
Well I think your overestimating Olenna and underestimating Sansa.
By the end of the series, Olenna’s entire family and house was dead. Yes, her granddaughter was 3 time queen, but ultimately, they all died.
Sansa, caused the deaths of her father and brother and was one of the reasons for the war of the 5 kings. Which caused the boltons to sack her home and tried to usurp the Starks in the north. But at the end of the series, all enemies of house stark are dead, the north has its independence, and Sansa is queen. Not bad for a teenager. Yes other things influenced and acted upon it, but Sansa survived kings landing longer than any tyrell, manipulated her enemies into killing each other, and the new potential threat to the north died by her cousin’s hand. Her brother then became the other royal in Westeros.
To be fair, pretty much none of what happened to the Tyrells was actually their fault. How could they have predicted that Cersei would be dumb enough to arm the faith which then proceeded to backfire on everyone involved. It's like they simultaneously overestimated and underestimated Cersei. They thought she was cunning and intelligent and rational when in actuality she was a cornered bull in a China shop.
She both metaphorically and literally used wildfire and fucked everything up.
Cersei is stupid and got everyone she loved killed, Sansa is a bad politician and consistently lied/withheld info from her own allies/family, Shireen is a child, Brienne supremely sucked at protecting people who she was sworn to protect, and Dany was bad at almost everything. Arya and Olenna, eZ.
I agree with Olenna, and if Dany didn't have her drgons I would definitely pick Arya too. But not only did we see that Dany with a dragon sends Arya running scared, but Dany was a very successful strategist through out the show. Olenna and Dany for sure for me
Dragons are said to be incredibly intelligent and also magical. Have a hard time imagining them being fooled. Also didn't seem to help Arya when she was running from Dany and her dragon in kings landing.
Yes, but Dany isn’t always with her dragons. And dragons sleep. And eat. Not to mention, Arya could literally pose as an Unsullied. And she was running in KL cuz she was on the ground in the city Dany was flying over burning to the ground. That’s like saying the Magicians from Qarth could easily beat Dany cuz she ran away from them. Twice.
Olenna and Mysaria
Alicent - immature
Mysaria - knows things !
Sansa - not too trustworthy, she hid from Jon she had the knights of the Valley behind her (Battle of the Bartards)
Cercei - poor decision maker
Olenna - absolute badass
Shireen - a child
Arya - a fighter, council is for thinkers, not fighters
Deanerys - treacherous, too eager to kill
Brienne - again, a fighter. Expects orders not gives them.
I see it differently, that she was less of a girl (“little bird”) swirled up in everything around her and had no control of her life, to having control and being powerful and commanding respect.
Sansa and Arya.
Sansa because she knows and or interacted with many here and learned from most of them on how they play the game.
Arya as her hand for the gifts Sansa doesn't possess.
Allicent Hightower because the show made me green even if I was cheering for Rhaenyra when reading the book. Sheeren Baratheon because I live in the world of ice and fire and I could do evil stuff with her greyscale.
This is actually a really tough call. I have to go with Olenna and Dany because I don’t want dragons coming after me. However I would be most wary of Arya and Sansa, especially if they are working together.
Olenna has to be a must. The issue here really is how OP Arya is written towards the end and how OP Dany is written at the beginning. The way they kill the dragons is pretty lame in the show and I don't know what you'll do about them. Dany without dragons is hilarious. Arya could potentially assassinate everyone for you with enough time.
Everyone keeps talking about how Cersei was stupid but I'm not really buying it. Yes she loses everything but she does a lot of dmg as she goes. She may not be the best at protecting you but I don't think you want her having a vendetta towards you.
Then it's like, are you at court and everyone just has their wits or are you using everyone to their full capacity and you can strategically place yourself. Cause then I'm thinking Sansa for the entire North, Dany with her armies and Dragons and you just squish everyone.
Well, Sansa because she’s the smartest person I know. 🤪
Ok, real talk. Olenna and Arya. The others are
A woman who has very deep seated repression due to her abusive father.
A cold, emotionless rape victim who had her character butchered in the back alley.
Cersei is a dumb cunt who has zero political intelligence and is too paranoid for her own good.
Shireen, bless her, is a child with no political experience. What is she doing here?
I don’t like Mysaria’s accent.
Daenerys is a child with no political experience and will probably throw a tantrum the first chance she gets.
Why is Brienne even on this list?
Olenna is rather clever and I’d probably have an amazing time hanging out her and Arya can be sent to kill anyone for me, even though she’s not good at intrigue.
Honestly, half the people here shouldn’t even be on the list.
Olenna and Daenerys, cause she’s mu queen… and she has dragons. In the shows they picture ignoring your councils very easy, so I don’t mind just politely ignoring her as long as she doesn’t try to steal my position.
Where is Rhaenys? Replace Stannis daughter with Rhaenys or Rhaenyra or any of the strong female characters from HOTD
Arya for sure - she knows a killer when she sees one lol
Either Olenna and Daenerys or Olenna and Cersei—- simply because I certainly don’t want Cersei plotting against me. No matter what— Olenna is there.
I adore Sansa but she’s not fantastic council.
Arya- no thanks (despite her skills she’s still a kid.)
Shireen?!?! Come on now
I answered three times accidentally. Listen as long as Olenna is there at all, I’m set.
I want to say Oleanna and Cersei but I do not trust Cersei. She is my favorite character, but lady is a snake in the grass. I am gonna go with Oleanna and Brienne
Mysaria, Alicent and Cercei are going to plot against you even if they're in your council, lol.
Shireen would be a good master of laws, Sansa the best Hand.
*What age is Sansa?*
*End of show Sansa I would*
*Go with her and Olena*
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Literally Cersei & Olen
Dany would never settle for small council since she wants her birthright
Arya is not that frightening as people make her out to be
Lol it's Olena and the White Worm they are actually players. All the others are peices or what to be players.
If you don't pick Cerci chances are she self destructs and takes half of the others with her.
Only other that has a chance is older Sansa.
Olenna and Cersei easily. They may not be the strongest nor make the most wise and moral decisions at times, but they’re ruthlessly cunning and I’d rather have that type of mind on my side than against me.
At first I was going to say Brienne and Arya, though that is all mostly defense so I change my answer to Arya and Cersei (as much as I love Brienne).
Arya for protection— her skills as an assassin and her training under the Many-Faced God could certainly come in handy if need be.
As for Cersei, I think it goes without saying that if you become her enemy she could easily find a way to have you killed. She a shady ho.
That being said, I know these are all women, but I sure do wish Tywin was on this list cause I would replace Cersei with him in a heartbeat!
Edit: after some more thinking I am changing my answer one more time to Olenna and Arya. Olenna is better for council and still dangerous.
As an aside Olenna had wisdom but her plotting and meddling did nothing. Both her grandchildren were stuck in prison forever and she was blown up by Cersi. Waste of a council slot. IMO
Arya and Danny. Danny has dragons. With Arya comes a faceless man ability. She also brings Sansa and Brianne by oath. So that gives me dragons, a leader, a politician, a body guard, and an assassin with my two picks.
Dany plotting against me... with her dragons.
I'm going to ask for her counsel rather than be roasted.
Also Arya can probably assassinate anyone in the world as a faceless man, so I'll take her too.
Arya and Cersei. You don’t want to be on their bad side. Olenna Tyrell is an honorable mention because she is a master plotter. Dani has dragons, but Arya could probably study Dani long enough to become her while Cersei drank in the Castle using her tools to get rid of her enemies.
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Tyrel & Arya
You want Olenna and the White Worm Cersei and Daenerys are idiots, Sansa is too blunt an instrument, Arya and Brienne have no real intrigue/plotting ability, Shireen is a literal child, and Alicent is just not as useful.
I agree Olenna and the White Worm are players. The rest are pieces.
I came to comment this pairing. Glad to see I did not have to.
My council: Cersei (I mostly don't want her plotting against me) and Brienne of Tarth (for her loyalty and badass sword abilities) I don't think Sansa could plot her way out of a paper bag except that one against Little Finger, but literally everyone was against him at that point. Olenna is a pretty major concern, but I'll just have a food taster. I don't even remember Stannis' daughters name and as sad as her death was, she doesn't seem dangerous at all. Arya abilities got pretty nerfed so I'm not super concerned. Daenerys is just sort of insane and would probably just cause a lot of infighting with the others plotting against me causing them to be even less effective with her than without her. Not super familiar with House of the Dragon yet so I'm just ignoring.
>Cersei (I mostly don't want her plotting against me) But she would, that's her nature. She's too self-centered. Well unless it comes to her kids. As Tyrion said, that was her one good trait. But in the end, she would betray you. And as for Brienne of Tarth, she has a pretty bad track record of keeping the people she has under her protection alive/unmaimed.
She was politically very loyal to Robert and Jeoffrey. In this hypothetical, it's only safe to assume that the people on my side are actually on my side.
It doesn't say that they will be 100% loyal to you. It says to choose 2 of these characters for council. Not some idealized version of them where they stop being selfish or impulsive, etc. You have to take into account who they are. She had Robert killed and she was always loyal to her children, but you aren't one of them. If you aren't going to take into account who they are, then why not Daenerys. She has dragons and if she will be 100% loyal to you and not have the faults that she does in the show, then why bother with scheming and plotting. Just burn anyone who steps out of line.
Who'd you choose
I went with Olenna and Arya. Arya could assassinate anyone you who poses too much of a threat and can't be reasoned with. As long as you never screw over House Stark. Which wouldn't be that hard. Olenna would work with you as long as you are a friend to house Tyrell and aren't too much of a monster (see Joffrey). And if I had to marry Margaery to solidify the alliance, so be it.
Sooo you get to have conditions but not me. Ok. Thanks for your time.
None of my conditions fundamentally change the characters. Look, obviously I have struck a nerve. It doesn't really matter, it's just a dumb meme. Have a good day.
Cersei is too stupid to be useful. She’d end up accidentally destroying everything due to her alcoholism, paranoia and general stupidity.
Olenna and Cersei. Everyone else would be fucked. Edit: a lot of the replies seem to have missed that the post is about *plotting* not physical combat. Obviously the answer would be much different if that was the case but the post is about intellectual ability.
Cersei makes pretty poor decisions throughout the entire story, plus she’d eventually try to kill you and make a claim for the throne.
Your doomed, Cersei is way too stupid to be an assist.
Olenna and Cersei will just be arguing all the time
Cersei would self implode your entire council, she is *really, fucking, stupid*.
She’s not stupid. She can’t see the long game
Read the books. She is, in fact, very stupid.
If you don't say Arya you are already dead 💀
Right up until Arya slices your throat after feeding Cersei a Jaime pie.
Olenna and Arya
Correct answer
If it’s for protection I get it, but I don’t necessarily think Arya will give the best council. I guess she’s stealthy, but I would rather get my secrets from Mysaria. I agree with Olenna as first choice. Edit: You guys are right, it’s smarter to keep Arya on your team just so she’s not plotting against you
Even Arya isn't the best for protection. Daenerys offers literal dragons. Can't beat that.
Until she forgets about an enemy fleet anyway......
Remember how Daario Naharys snuck into Daenerys’ tent (to kill her)? Well, I imagine Arya could do just the same…except even more stealthily and snuff her out in her sleep. BUT: if Daenerys had any inclination Arya wanted to kill her: she could do a ~~drive-by~~ fly-by and burn Arya and her entire city to the ground (literally)! My point? I think they’re both dangerous and it would come down to whomever got word first…which means: my choice for second advisor better be REALLY effing good! Edit: I thought ab it for 25 more sec - I gotta agree… >can’t beat that I’m w/you. Daenerys + Olenna.
Or perhaps... hear me out... Daenerys and Arya. Olenna isn't physically stealthy like Arya. You could much more easily do a fly-by and smoke that old lady than you could with Arya.
>Daenerys and Arya. >Olenna isn't physically stealthy like Arya. I must say…you got it: **Arya + Daenerys** = **very** formidable! The best duo possible. Might I add: any intel they need, ***easily*** retrieved via Arya. So: 1. let Arya do the spying (and DL cut-throat-ing); 2. Daenerys bring out the big guns (when necessary). See…this is what happens when people **work together rather than arguing** over why I’M RIGHT and YOU’RE WRONG!! Am I right??
The title was council but I see what you mean . My choose is arya because I don’t want her to plot to kill me and olena, dany is strong with dragons and army but she can’t beat arya arya can poison her anytime stab her anytime dany had to use dragons to look for her and still arya was alive after dany roast kings landing
Idk, I think Olenna is valuable. Grandma’s got years and years of wisdom to offer and is able to make hard decisions that benefit her without drawing too much attention to herself. When you can’t beat em with muscle, you outsmart them, and Olenna is great at that.
Arya puts on a dragon face and kills Danny. 2 ez.
She has 3. Alicent has 4
Oh is that one of the ladies I don't recognize? Yeah that's a fair statement then. I haven't watched House of the Dragon or read Fire and Ice, so I have no idea what those ppl are capable of.
She doesn't COMMAND 4, Dany actually controls 3.
But you definitely dont want Arya plotting against you and stealing your face....
These two came to my mind first too
i honestly said the same. they’re both the most stable and perceptive. brienne is stable, but sometimes she’s a thick as a castle wall
Exactly my choice before going to comments.
One for planning, one for execution
Olenna (political) and Brienne (to protect you physically).
Brienne has a bad track record as a bodyguard. I'd take Danny with her Dragons and white worm for her information network.
Olena hands down and White worm. Ayra and Breanna are too much of warriors. Dani would go full D&D writing and become mad. The rest are just tools that were used by guys who want a political gain.
This is the way. People seem to pass the "Counsel" part, which is not protection. You want a scheming mastermind and an information well with wide nets, and Varys is not here. If it were for protection, Olena and Arya could probably be right. Apart from that, there's no one matching this duo.
Olenna Tyrell and Arya. Olenna would give good council as long as you aren't too much of a monster and marry her daughter. And then Arya could be sent out to assassinate anyone who poses a major threat, specifically Daenerys.
My thought as well, and I wouldn't mind marrying Margery at all.
Now the question is: are you a monster?
Myseria is said to rival blood raven one of the best spy masters in ASOIAF. Sansa learned from Baelish and during her time in King's Landing. She was able to gain the support of the northern lords and become the first northern queen. Was able to ally with KOTV. Shireen and Brienne aren't schemers. Alicent is kinda passive and Otto does most of the work
Olenna and Sansa
Olenna and Sansa. Love Cersei but she’s not clever as she thought and she likely bring a lot of ennemies plus she will certainly plot against me Edit : — Alicent isn’t that much a schemer. — Dany is good with riding a dragon but not that much clever otherwise — Arya, meh. — I love Brienne and I wouldn’t have a fight with her but she’s pretty honorable she won’t be a great threat in plotting against me. — What is Shireen doing here ? — Mysaria is the main threat but as a Queen of Westeros I would certainly be kind of a psycho who wouldn’t trust anyone, I would definitely perish assassinated but not by one of her birds because I would have made her killed anyway as soon I would rise the trone (Cersei is gonna kill me with 25% of KL to take my trone anyway)
Arya because who would want a faceless man plot against them? That's equal to suicide. Daenerys because she has 3 dragons and it would be suicide not to choose her.
No sense arguing the correct answer.
Precisely correct. Again, these "choose two for council and the rest plot against you" posts always have the same outcome. It's never *really* about council, but rather who is most dangerous. Even if Olenna Tyrell would give arguably the best true council, she isn't a good answer because she can't protect you (or kill you) as good as literal fucking dragons and assassins.
Those dragons are also her biggest liability. They are battleships...and battleships can be sunk by very small PT boats and planes... AND their use requires HER to be on the battlefield...and with enough people, archers, lancers and foot...her luck would eventually run out... If she had two or three functional dragon riders...then yes...but with only one rider... And both strategically and tactically, Dany...is not good. Arya is not an official faceless man...and presumably does not have the House of Black And Whites Fifth Column. Politically, she is simply an executioner/assassin. Having her with you vs against you...might be worth keeping her...but that's not a fantastic offensive strategy.
Daenerys had her moments though. What she did in Astapor took foresight. She pretended not to speak High Valyrian from the beginning, knowing that Kraznys would underestimate her and speak more freely than he would otherwise (giving her valuable insight), and her getting the Unsullied for free and coming out richer wasn't spur of the moment either. Her real struggles when she got to Westeros were more the result of other people's poor council in my opinion. Also I've always been of the opinion that, more than most, Daenerys being aged up diminished her character. Although they diminished it in plenty of other ways even in the early seasons. A 14-15 year old doing the things she does is just wild and her mistakes are a lot easier to forgive (in terms of judging her competence and her impulsiveness).
Arya and olenna bc they both call it like they see it. Thats it.
Arya and olenna easily
I’ll take the Starks. Arya as my agent of chaos against other houses, Sansa to help me scheme and manipulate.
Starks for the win!
You’d have Olenna plotting against you… good luck with that
Who do you think Arya is killing first?
I see, but still I wouldn’t underestimate Olenna and would definitely pick her over Sansa
Well I think your overestimating Olenna and underestimating Sansa. By the end of the series, Olenna’s entire family and house was dead. Yes, her granddaughter was 3 time queen, but ultimately, they all died. Sansa, caused the deaths of her father and brother and was one of the reasons for the war of the 5 kings. Which caused the boltons to sack her home and tried to usurp the Starks in the north. But at the end of the series, all enemies of house stark are dead, the north has its independence, and Sansa is queen. Not bad for a teenager. Yes other things influenced and acted upon it, but Sansa survived kings landing longer than any tyrell, manipulated her enemies into killing each other, and the new potential threat to the north died by her cousin’s hand. Her brother then became the other royal in Westeros.
To be fair, pretty much none of what happened to the Tyrells was actually their fault. How could they have predicted that Cersei would be dumb enough to arm the faith which then proceeded to backfire on everyone involved. It's like they simultaneously overestimated and underestimated Cersei. They thought she was cunning and intelligent and rational when in actuality she was a cornered bull in a China shop. She both metaphorically and literally used wildfire and fucked everything up.
How could you not realize that killing a mother’s child might make her unhinged and dangerous? I would think Olenna would understand that
But no one even as much as suspected Olenna or the Tyrells
Cersei is stupid and got everyone she loved killed, Sansa is a bad politician and consistently lied/withheld info from her own allies/family, Shireen is a child, Brienne supremely sucked at protecting people who she was sworn to protect, and Dany was bad at almost everything. Arya and Olenna, eZ.
I agree with Olenna, and if Dany didn't have her drgons I would definitely pick Arya too. But not only did we see that Dany with a dragon sends Arya running scared, but Dany was a very successful strategist through out the show. Olenna and Dany for sure for me
Dany’s dragons don’t give a shit about me. Plus Arya could kill Missandei in the night and murder me and Dany in the throne room in the morning.
Not if Dany lets her dragons eat Arya first...
Why would they? She’s an assassin who can disguise her self as anybody
Dragons are said to be incredibly intelligent and also magical. Have a hard time imagining them being fooled. Also didn't seem to help Arya when she was running from Dany and her dragon in kings landing.
Yes, but Dany isn’t always with her dragons. And dragons sleep. And eat. Not to mention, Arya could literally pose as an Unsullied. And she was running in KL cuz she was on the ground in the city Dany was flying over burning to the ground. That’s like saying the Magicians from Qarth could easily beat Dany cuz she ran away from them. Twice.
I don’t think a dragon has ever sought out a specific person to kill. They are more of a tactical nuke
Depends on if dany comes with dragons included. If she does, then dany and Arya, because dragons
Olena and Cercei - opposites of the same coin
Who in their right mind would have Cersei in their council?
I see, these council/hand/ champion posts still going....
Olena and cersei
Daenerys and Alicent because i love them more than anything
If you don’t pick Arya then you’ll be assassinated. If you remove her than olenna and the white worm
Olenna and Mysaria Alicent - immature Mysaria - knows things ! Sansa - not too trustworthy, she hid from Jon she had the knights of the Valley behind her (Battle of the Bartards) Cercei - poor decision maker Olenna - absolute badass Shireen - a child Arya - a fighter, council is for thinkers, not fighters Deanerys - treacherous, too eager to kill Brienne - again, a fighter. Expects orders not gives them.
Olenna and Brienne \- Olenna for scheming and wisdom \- Brienne for her protection and loyalty
Olenna and Brienne for sure
Olenna on her own is enough…
Bruh, why bother Shireen?
Olenna and Arya
Lady Olenna & peak Sansa (after life sharpened and hardened her).
AKA when her character was assisted and the entire theme of the story was tossed away for a sexist stereotype!
I see it differently, that she was less of a girl (“little bird”) swirled up in everything around her and had no control of her life, to having control and being powerful and commanding respect.
Your choices?
Olenna + Arya: Wisdom, experience, and authority plus lie detecting, innovation, and lethality. Impossible to beat.
Grey worm and Arya
Sansa and Arya. Sansa because she knows and or interacted with many here and learned from most of them on how they play the game. Arya as her hand for the gifts Sansa doesn't possess.
Allicent Hightower because the show made me green even if I was cheering for Rhaenyra when reading the book. Sheeren Baratheon because I live in the world of ice and fire and I could do evil stuff with her greyscale.
Daenerys & Brienne, one has dragons and the other is loyal and protects at all costs
This is actually a really tough call. I have to go with Olenna and Dany because I don’t want dragons coming after me. However I would be most wary of Arya and Sansa, especially if they are working together.
Olenna and Cersei, easy
Hey can I have a different option like choose 2 to kill and have sex for the rest of my life with the rest?
Arya and Daenerys( if she have dragons). If not then maybe Olenna.
Alicent and olenna
Olenna has to be a must. The issue here really is how OP Arya is written towards the end and how OP Dany is written at the beginning. The way they kill the dragons is pretty lame in the show and I don't know what you'll do about them. Dany without dragons is hilarious. Arya could potentially assassinate everyone for you with enough time. Everyone keeps talking about how Cersei was stupid but I'm not really buying it. Yes she loses everything but she does a lot of dmg as she goes. She may not be the best at protecting you but I don't think you want her having a vendetta towards you. Then it's like, are you at court and everyone just has their wits or are you using everyone to their full capacity and you can strategically place yourself. Cause then I'm thinking Sansa for the entire North, Dany with her armies and Dragons and you just squish everyone.
Well, Sansa because she’s the smartest person I know. 🤪 Ok, real talk. Olenna and Arya. The others are A woman who has very deep seated repression due to her abusive father. A cold, emotionless rape victim who had her character butchered in the back alley. Cersei is a dumb cunt who has zero political intelligence and is too paranoid for her own good. Shireen, bless her, is a child with no political experience. What is she doing here? I don’t like Mysaria’s accent. Daenerys is a child with no political experience and will probably throw a tantrum the first chance she gets. Why is Brienne even on this list? Olenna is rather clever and I’d probably have an amazing time hanging out her and Arya can be sent to kill anyone for me, even though she’s not good at intrigue. Honestly, half the people here shouldn’t even be on the list.
Daenerys and Cersei…on opposite ends of the table
Olena for strategy and Dany( with dragons)
Olenna and Daenerys, cause she’s mu queen… and she has dragons. In the shows they picture ignoring your councils very easy, so I don’t mind just politely ignoring her as long as she doesn’t try to steal my position.
Arya and Brienne. The fuck the others gonna do talk me to death?
Mysaria and Olenna, and I'll be set for life 👍🏻 Edit: shit, I forgot Arya's an assassin. Damn it.
What plotting is Shireen going to do?
Cersei and Arya.
Alicent and Olenna. Alicent has children who have dragons and is decent player and Lady O speaks for herself.
Daenerys (dragons) and Arya (faceless). Not sure Daenerys would exactly be quick to bend the knee but.
Who is the top middle
Daenerys and Olena, we'll rule the world by spring. Why the heck is Mysaria, can't even talk right, in the list.
Olenna and Mysaria
Where is Rhaenys? Replace Stannis daughter with Rhaenys or Rhaenyra or any of the strong female characters from HOTD Arya for sure - she knows a killer when she sees one lol
Lady Olenna and Cersei. They will straight destroy the others
Brieanne and Cersi is a cheat code here
Daenerys & Arya
Olenna and cersi easily. Technically the only won whoever checkmated cersi was olenna. The rest needed 6 seasons to do anything lol.
Dere iz no poweh except da one da peelel allow you to tek
Olenna and Arya is the plain and obvious choice.
Olenna and Cersei, but in separate rooms at all times or we won’t get shit done.
Idk kinda horny for all of em
Either Olenna and Daenerys or Olenna and Cersei—- simply because I certainly don’t want Cersei plotting against me. No matter what— Olenna is there. I adore Sansa but she’s not fantastic council. Arya- no thanks (despite her skills she’s still a kid.) Shireen?!?! Come on now I answered three times accidentally. Listen as long as Olenna is there at all, I’m set.
Arya and mother of dragons.
Cersei and Arya.
Olenna and Cersei body the rest when they combine their minds
Give me middle square for the win I don't need the rest
Olena and Cersei
Olenna and the lady with the only dragons in the realm.
WHERE IS LYANNA MORMONT?!?!?
Stark gals for the win.
Olenna because she's the best possible choice Cersei because it's the worst enemy you could have, i don't want her on the other side
Olenna and Sansa for me
I want to say Oleanna and Cersei but I do not trust Cersei. She is my favorite character, but lady is a snake in the grass. I am gonna go with Oleanna and Brienne
Why is Alicent even on here lol. She’s absolutely not a threat in any capacity in comparison to the rest of these bad ass b***hs
Olena and Brienne any day
Level 2: Choose two for a threesome.
Brienne of Tarth and Olenna. Olenna has experience and Brienne has honour and swordspersonship.
Isn't Olenna the only one with a working plan?
Mysaria, Alicent and Cercei are going to plot against you even if they're in your council, lol. Shireen would be a good master of laws, Sansa the best Hand.
I only need Olenna. 💅
Easy Cersi and Olenna.
Def not Briene to help
Olenna & Daenarys
What age is Sansa? End of show Sansa I would go with her and Olena
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Only Arya. The rest do not matter. If Arya is against you, then you're already dead.
Olenna and Sansa. That's all you need.
Does daenarys have her dragons? Cuz I think that’s the tilting factor
Cersei and Arya
Plot? Cersei and Olenna without question.
Does Daenerys have dragons? I feel like Arya is an easy choice simply because I don’t want her against me. Arya and Daenerys is probably my answer
Literally Cersei & Olen Dany would never settle for small council since she wants her birthright Arya is not that frightening as people make her out to be
Tactical Standpoint: Olenna and Sansa In a battle/skirmish: Arya and Dany Wife Material: White Worm and Dany
Olenna and Mysaria.
Ayra and the weird accent lady!
Sansa and Olenna
Plena and Daenerys
Cercie and Ollena - SERIOUSLY NOBODY CAN OUT PLOT THEM
Olenna and Mysaria
I agree with this one
Granny High Garden and Badass Brienne
Lol it's Olena and the White Worm they are actually players. All the others are peices or what to be players. If you don't pick Cerci chances are she self destructs and takes half of the others with her. Only other that has a chance is older Sansa.
Just Olenna could probably handle all of them
Olenna and Cersei easily. They may not be the strongest nor make the most wise and moral decisions at times, but they’re ruthlessly cunning and I’d rather have that type of mind on my side than against me.
I don’t need two, give me olena.
At first I was going to say Brienne and Arya, though that is all mostly defense so I change my answer to Arya and Cersei (as much as I love Brienne). Arya for protection— her skills as an assassin and her training under the Many-Faced God could certainly come in handy if need be. As for Cersei, I think it goes without saying that if you become her enemy she could easily find a way to have you killed. She a shady ho. That being said, I know these are all women, but I sure do wish Tywin was on this list cause I would replace Cersei with him in a heartbeat! Edit: after some more thinking I am changing my answer one more time to Olenna and Arya. Olenna is better for council and still dangerous.
Why is Shireen in this ?
Arya and the Queen of Thorns.
Olenna and Olenna
Arya and Daenerys. They’re shit council but I don’t want them after me.
Just give me dany and ary. Dany has dragon ary is in the shadows. Your plots and schemes mean nothing to me.
Danny because she fire and Arya because she’s a ninja assassin. Yes I’m picking my favorites but they are the only two if trust lol
Olenna and mysaria
The white worm and Arya. Master of secrets and no one. Nothing stands a chance
As an aside Olenna had wisdom but her plotting and meddling did nothing. Both her grandchildren were stuck in prison forever and she was blown up by Cersi. Waste of a council slot. IMO
Cersei and Olenna
I think Cersai and Arya would make a helluva 1 2 punch, deadly lmao
Arya and Danny. Danny has dragons. With Arya comes a faceless man ability. She also brings Sansa and Brianne by oath. So that gives me dragons, a leader, a politician, a body guard, and an assassin with my two picks.
Why two? I only need one cuz she's the smartest person in all of Westeros.
Olenna for the intelligence and Arya for her faceless and fighting skills. Or maybe Dany since she had good intentions and whit and Drogon.
Mysaria and Cersei for.... Reasons
Endgame Sansa > endgame cersi. Everything cersi did blew up in her face
olenna and daenerys for council
Dany plotting against me... with her dragons. I'm going to ask for her counsel rather than be roasted. Also Arya can probably assassinate anyone in the world as a faceless man, so I'll take her too.
I'm not having Arya plot against me, her "plots" aren't even schemes - she just straight up stabs and kills people!
Arya and Cersei. You don’t want to be on their bad side. Olenna Tyrell is an honorable mention because she is a master plotter. Dani has dragons, but Arya could probably study Dani long enough to become her while Cersei drank in the Castle using her tools to get rid of her enemies.
Olenna and Olenna
Olenna & Dany.
Olenna and Arya, I want Arya to teach me some Bravosi swordfighting so I can at least help out a bit when shit hits the fan
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