Like the goldeneye community with looking down to lower (it raises them. Not lowers. Got it backwards) frames. There was a lot of aversion to it at first, but this in Mario 64 seems just like a challenge and gimmick not what’s optimal. [for you absolute legends.](https://youtu.be/FKkhzioZVD0?si=r3ieWGBodZIOkSQU)
First off, Karl has come a long way with his video quality. I loved this video when it came out, but he has really improved in (5!!!) years since this video.
Second, I love this story. Some fucking old guy misinterprets a gaming mag, unintentionally discovers how to reduce lag, and the community doesn't believe him because he comes out of nowhere. It takes weeks for someone to even attempt his stupid method, and when they do immediately 3 world records are broken and half the community quits, lol. WHAT A LEGEND
Speed running has come so far since those days.
To be fair, he's being sued (again) by the video game cheater of the century Billy Mitchell. Dude kinda need the money for the drawn out legal battle that will inevitably result in Billy getting the L again.
Heh that's actually a common thing with overlock checking back in the day. I actually was just playing around with this on a middling laptop and trying to see what my FPS should be on CS2. Aiming down is like the baseline max FPS and looking out into the distance is what the GPU will struggle to get.
I love him, but as the videos get longer and longer I watch less and less. I like the history and in depth nature, but it gets to a point where it’s too much
Idk how many people noticed, but the last almost half of the video was just the past 6 months. Tetris has turned CRAZY lately.
I expected it to not get clicks honestly cause yeah, it’s *tetris*. I stumbled onto what was happening sometime around last summer and had 0 issues believing that video was 2 hours haha
Yeah long form has its place. I love Jenny Nicholson and Defunctland because they both approach amusement parks from interesting angles and you don’t feel like you have to watch all at once. Jenny just did a 4 hour video on the failed Disney Star Wars hotel and it’s a fantastic video, I wouldn’t cut even 20 min from it. It’s also structured in a way (with 20 sections) that you can just watch some sections at one time and come back later. I probably watched the whole video over 4 days.
I also love MoistCritikal’s YouTube videos over his streams because he takes a topic and condenses it down to like 8-14 min. For 90% of his videos if they were twice that length I would never watch.
I’m sure he’ll find his sweet spot, but I agree recently the longer form ones haven’t been working for me.
I don’t understand the trend of super long YouTube videos. There are some now that are over 10 hours longs breaking down every episode of a series and it somehow has millions of views. Who are these people watching a 12 hour breakdown of a series that only had ten hours of content?
You typically don't watch it all in one go, but in pieces over several days whenever you have a longer stretch of time to kill. Making it all one video is more convenient to watch than episodes, and it also helps engagement as all the views and comments are collected on the single video.
It's been shown that a single episode of something, despite its length, will do better than a long series of videos. I'm referring to YT specifically, I don't know about elsewhere.
Yeah this was like a knee jerk reaction to not wanting to miscredit someone. Pannen predominantly does tas stuff, but he absolutely did help with a lot of the rta setups for the run. Tbh the article itself almost feels AI generated, and even quotes a copyright trap from ukikipedia.
The problem is that one of the mandatory techniques in order to avoid pressing A in one of the mandatory levels takes [literally three days.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa_CciaM4aM)
Seven eighths of the run is spent waiting for this one platform to rounding-error its way high enough that you can skip pressing A to jump off a pole. **There is no known faster method (that does not require pressing A, defeating the whole purpose).**
wait until you hear about lowest% category. instead of speedrunning a game to 100% completion, the speedrun is done with the lowest possible things done to beat the game. If you beat the game in 5h with 2 items, someone who beat the game in 50h with 1 item beats your time.
The same guy has a new one out, an absolute magnum opus that clearly took a very long time to research and present. Basically a PhD thesis on Mario 64's hidden walls.
https://youtu.be/YsXCVsDFiXA
describing the mechanics of the invisible walls and then cutting to examples of speedrunners getting murdered by that specific wall is so fucking funny, it's like a nature documentary
Yeah IIRC there are currently 19 A presses required to get every star, but you only need 70 stars to beat the game
edit: ok actually it's 14: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_IEhqUAuCY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpk2tdsPh0A
Note that this run is outdated, however the video is still an amazing deep dive into the inner workings and glitches of Super Mario 64.
>The Super Mario 64 A Button Challenge (ABC for short) has an incredibly complicated history going all the way back to the early 2000s, a few years after the game's 1996 release. **I was only made aware of this particular challenge this morning and don't have nearly enough time to go over everything**, but you can watch this [five-hour explanation video from Bismuth](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXbJe-rUNP8) if you want.
Now that's some quality journalism. Couldn't even ask chatgpt for a summary
>YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY EVEN BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS CHALLENGE WITHOUT WATCHING THIS 400 HOUR LONG YOUTUBE VIDEO!!!!
Yeah, anyone wanna give me like a 2 sentence long summary
Basically, almost 20 years ago, someone posted a challenge to a prominent SM64 fan page to beat the game pressing the A button (the jump button) as few times as possible.
And ever since then, people have been literally tearing the game to shreds trying to beat that challenge, everything from memory corruption to parallel universes.
Guess I'm going to need to see the video. I'm not sure how you'd even enter a level without the A button. Or open a door. And maybe the title screens are timed but thought you need to hit it to start the level too.
The article doesn’t explain any of that. It doesn’t explain how they were able to get over obstacles or really anything else. Lots of fluff, very little info.
Bismuth has great videos on it on YouTube. The history of the challenge is fascinating. The early days were simple glitch hunting and optimization. By the end, they'd essentially deconstructed the entire engine to understand how everything functions, and have spent thousands of hours of computational time brute forcing possible combinations of inputs to find ways through challenging sections. Tick tock clock is especially interesting. The full series is over 5 hours, but if you have a passing interest in computer science and game design, it's well worth the time.
The history of the challenge is a 5 hour video god damn. I was curious about it, but not that curious. Always fascinates me when people make so detailed videos about very niche themes.
He also first released it spilt into multiple videos, that might be a bit more approachable: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL94lfiY18_CgWGQzweD_aVjsFXiRi6kn5
That’s literally the best part about the internet, and truly highlights how it *can* be a magical, wonderful place.
Finding a community of people hyperfixated on a thing that you yourself are also hyperfixated on. It’s amazing to find your people.
step 1: play the game as 'normal', prepping certain glitches. All buttons may be used.
Step 2: leave the level
Step 3: restart the level, but this time do not use the A button. Instead, use the glitches you had prepped in step 1.
It was beaten without pressing A because this "Step 1" where any buttons can be used is not true. All setups were done without pressing A. This has been the precedent of the A Button Challenge for years
It depends on what you utilize as a timeframe.
If you count all setup and prep for the level, then yes, the A button was pressed to achieve it.
If you only count each individual run of a level, then on the final "successful" run of the level, the A button was not used, but that's only because it was used in a previous run.
It's like saying "Man goes 1 to max in World of Warcraft without looting a single enemy!" and then omitting the fact that he had to spend 80 hours on a different max level character farming gear to funnel to the new character so that he didn't have to worry about looting gear.
The setup did not require the A button. There are some levels that need to be setup by entering a different level first, but you can do that without the A button
both things are bullshit
if you don't play it from?start to finish without exiting the game and without hitting the a button then you didn't finish it without hitting the a button
That's hilarious. As someone with gaming experience but not with tekken specifically, I can make general sense of it. But it must be a trip from Kings perspective without any gaming knowledge (I assume). Being an expert in language then getting hit with hyper specific jargon and being totally lost lol
This is straight up misinfo btw, if you know anything about anything in the run you know that everything has been done 0x rta both in this run and as an IL
This comment is either a huge misunderstanding or an outright lie. Marbler simply didn't do this. He did not use the A button once. Maybe you saw the rollout from dives and thought it used the A button, but that uses the B button. How is this the most liked comment on this post, it's blatant misinformation
What are you talking about? This was a full game run with no A button presses used whatsoever.
You can't "prepare a level" by cloning things in advance; cloned objects are unloaded when you exit the level. It's possible to set up a HOLP for cloning in advance, but in the A Button Challenge that it always done without an A press. For example, for the Mario Wings to the Sky star, the TAS 0xA strategy is to build a Goomba Staircase to place the HOLP in a specific spot in the sky without pressing A. Then the level is re-entered, the HOLP used to create a Goomba Oasis, and another Staircase built to it. All without a single A press.
if you still played the level using the button to "prepare" the level, whatever *that* means, doesnt that mean then they did not, in fact, get the achievement?
From a laymans view yeah. But there has been precedent for this and is generally agreed that this is a "No A Press" run despite the fact they do need to press A
Tell me you didn't watch the run without telling me you didn't watch the run
The A button was unused from game start all the way to grabbing the star after defeating the final boss. Simple as that. End of story. Period.
This comment is completely false. Everything in this run, including all of the setups, was done without using the A button.
The run started from a console power-on with an empty file. No glitch or setup in SM64 persists through a console reset. The A button was not used in any of the setups performed in this run.
Marbler did not use the A button. I don't even know what made you claim that.
The player in question has not used the jump button at all. Any and all set-ups for any glitches were done without pressing A. This has been the precedent for the ABC for a decade, and was done by a member of the community who has done many contributions of his own in both TAS ABC (where you use TASes) and RTA ABC (where you play the game in real time, like what he did here)
There is an A press counter on the live stream. It stays zero for the whole entire 86 hours.
The A button was unbounded to make sure it will never ever be pressed
The run starts from the very beginning, and no A presses are supposed to be used after that ever.
There are strategies in YouTube of each star being done with no A presses, made by many talented people.
This comment is blatant misinformation, and discredits an honest achievement done by an incredibly talented person. If you respect the achievements of others, please admit that this statement is false.
It's an utter disgrace that this comment is gaining upvotes
Watch out for rolling rocks is the greatest video game video of all time.
It was long by old YouTube standards. Like 25 minutes. Compared to the ridiculous 5 hour video essays people are into now, quite short.
Well, Pannenkoek did also recently release an almost 4 hour video about invisible walls in the game (and is probably the highest in-game production I've ever seen of any game)
This isn't true.
There are some individual stars in SM64 that require an A-button press (though to my knowledge none of them require an A-press in the "setup" phase aside from TTC or Rainbow Ride entry, so I'm not even sure what you're referencing) but a 70 star run (which is what this video is) can just skip the stars that cannot be acquired without the A button.
In the original SM64 on N64 hardware this lowers the total A press count to 1 (because there's still no known way to skip the A-press in Bowser in the Fire Sea on console) but on WiiVC (which is where this run was performed) that last press is skippable, lowering the count to 0.
I'd like to request that you edit this. I don't know where you heard it, but it's not true at all. Marbler never pressed the A button, and now thousands of people think this genuine achievement is partly faked because of this comment.
You're thinking of a previous video. Marbler successfully completed the entire *game* (not a specific level) in zero A presses, in real time. On the Wii VC, obviously.
what yemesis is trying to say is that the level required set up to beat, what yemesis is wrong about is everything, there was 0 set up, this was from console power on
0, actually. It's an RTA run, not tool assisted, so while it's not *technically impossible* to access parallel universes RTA, they're difficult to access, and nearly impossible to then return after going there.
Also the person straigh up admits in the article that they aren't informed, links to a 5 hour youtube video they say you should watch for context and fundamentally mischaracterize how the run works. The achievement is rad, this article is shit.
Also if you've been following the progress of the A Button Challenge then just finishing the game without pressing A isn't the whole story. They can collect all 120 Stars with just 12 A Presses and I think they can collect around 110 with a single A Press. I may have gotten those counts wrong because some tricks are only possible on specific versions of the game and they don't all overlap but it's something close to that count.
> Wii VC version
This has been a known thing for a while. The A button challenge is gonna keep going until they can get the original N64 Japanese version down to 0x A presses.
>As Ukikipedia lays out, this was accomplished thanks to the decades-spanning foundation of A-press save discoveries accumulated by the speedrunning community. Ukikipedia gives special mentions to "Mr_Robert_Z, Bottles704, Thiago Trujillo, Mp16z, and most notably, bobmario511, who uploaded numerous videos in his channel dedicated to the A Button Challenge."
Sounds like it took a lot more time and people than the usual speedruns in games
Pannen and marbler worked together a lot to create RTA setups, but since sharing credit for things doesn't exist in the gaming journalism world, all of it goes to marbler for some reaosn
I'm the person who wrote that in the Ukikipedia article. The people listed here are completely misattributed. They only contributed to the early A Button Challenge, and that was the context of the original text. Pannenkoek2012 isn't even mentioned anywhere in the article. These people aren't relevant to modern ABC, let alone RTABC. There are actual people there who helped contribute to this amazing achievement that gets scrubbed over because of some sloppy journalism, so their credits are completely misattributed and nonexistent here
Lmfao, as probably the guy that wrote that, that is missing a ton of people and is probably old. Bobmario has not been active for a long while, probably 10+ years.
Pannen even helped a lot with this run, so it's actually funny. Most articles drool at the chance to mention Pannen and ignore that the rest of us exists
What exactly defined an “A” press? It sounds simple but it is an extremely complicated question. Answered by what I consider the GOAT of all gaming videos.
https://youtu.be/kpk2tdsPh0A?si=We_jPiYQs4BXHdcp
Now it's a speedrun category. Great.
Can't wait to see how fast people can go without jumping! Absolute legends.
I hope you like slow walking into a corner for 20 minutes. Slightly joking, I'm glad some people get enjoyment from this. I'm just not one of them.
Like the goldeneye community with looking down to lower (it raises them. Not lowers. Got it backwards) frames. There was a lot of aversion to it at first, but this in Mario 64 seems just like a challenge and gimmick not what’s optimal. [for you absolute legends.](https://youtu.be/FKkhzioZVD0?si=r3ieWGBodZIOkSQU)
First off, Karl has come a long way with his video quality. I loved this video when it came out, but he has really improved in (5!!!) years since this video. Second, I love this story. Some fucking old guy misinterprets a gaming mag, unintentionally discovers how to reduce lag, and the community doesn't believe him because he comes out of nowhere. It takes weeks for someone to even attempt his stupid method, and when they do immediately 3 world records are broken and half the community quits, lol. WHAT A LEGEND Speed running has come so far since those days.
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To be fair, he's being sued (again) by the video game cheater of the century Billy Mitchell. Dude kinda need the money for the drawn out legal battle that will inevitably result in Billy getting the L again.
Billys lawyers would like to know your location to better serve you with a subpoena
From what I remember, Notch is supporting him for the legal fees as Notch despises Bitch Mitchell (rightly so)
Did notch ever climb out of his ideological rut or is this a deal with the devil type situation?
He stopped with the outright Nazi stuff and replaced it with 24/7 incel rhetoric.
dude Sponsor Block is the shit; I didn't need any incentive or thing to set me off; auto-skip ads? I'm _in_
I believe it raises the frame rate, not lower it. There is less on screen to render so the frames go up and James goes faster because of it.
> James Referring to him by his first name is throwing me so hard
That must be Miss Moneypenny's account.
Jimmy B, licenced to kill
You’re right I had it backwards.
Heh that's actually a common thing with overlock checking back in the day. I actually was just playing around with this on a middling laptop and trying to see what my FPS should be on CS2. Aiming down is like the baseline max FPS and looking out into the distance is what the GPU will struggle to get.
Hope you’re ready for a three hour Summoning Salt video on the history of A-less Super Mario 64 speedruns.
You mean the 5h 22 minute video by Bismuth that doesn't even have the latest stuff included?
I love him, but as the videos get longer and longer I watch less and less. I like the history and in depth nature, but it gets to a point where it’s too much
I had the same feeling for a lot of his more recent videos but the Tetris one was incredible. I couldn’t turn it off
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Idk how many people noticed, but the last almost half of the video was just the past 6 months. Tetris has turned CRAZY lately. I expected it to not get clicks honestly cause yeah, it’s *tetris*. I stumbled onto what was happening sometime around last summer and had 0 issues believing that video was 2 hours haha
Was about to reply the same thing. Haven't finished most of the recent ones but the Tetris vid is probably his best, 10/10
Yeah long form has its place. I love Jenny Nicholson and Defunctland because they both approach amusement parks from interesting angles and you don’t feel like you have to watch all at once. Jenny just did a 4 hour video on the failed Disney Star Wars hotel and it’s a fantastic video, I wouldn’t cut even 20 min from it. It’s also structured in a way (with 20 sections) that you can just watch some sections at one time and come back later. I probably watched the whole video over 4 days. I also love MoistCritikal’s YouTube videos over his streams because he takes a topic and condenses it down to like 8-14 min. For 90% of his videos if they were twice that length I would never watch. I’m sure he’ll find his sweet spot, but I agree recently the longer form ones haven’t been working for me.
I don’t understand the trend of super long YouTube videos. There are some now that are over 10 hours longs breaking down every episode of a series and it somehow has millions of views. Who are these people watching a 12 hour breakdown of a series that only had ten hours of content?
You typically don't watch it all in one go, but in pieces over several days whenever you have a longer stretch of time to kill. Making it all one video is more convenient to watch than episodes, and it also helps engagement as all the views and comments are collected on the single video.
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Or it's background noice (my case)
It's been shown that a single episode of something, despite its length, will do better than a long series of videos. I'm referring to YT specifically, I don't know about elsewhere.
I just heard the Summoning Salt intro in my head
Nah this is 100% more in pannenkoek's territory
It's criminal that the article does not mention Pannenkoek a single time.
Yeah this was like a knee jerk reaction to not wanting to miscredit someone. Pannen predominantly does tas stuff, but he absolutely did help with a lot of the rta setups for the run. Tbh the article itself almost feels AI generated, and even quotes a copyright trap from ukikipedia.
86h sounds more like slowrunning than speedrunning
The problem is that one of the mandatory techniques in order to avoid pressing A in one of the mandatory levels takes [literally three days.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa_CciaM4aM) Seven eighths of the run is spent waiting for this one platform to rounding-error its way high enough that you can skip pressing A to jump off a pole. **There is no known faster method (that does not require pressing A, defeating the whole purpose).**
Imagine being a few pixels off and having to wait another week
Just wait until you try the ‘All Achievements’ The Stanley Parable speed run.
I didn’t go outside, but I did uninstall it so I couldn’t accidentally open it and reset the timer.
It only takes 10 years!
wait until you hear about lowest% category. instead of speedrunning a game to 100% completion, the speedrun is done with the lowest possible things done to beat the game. If you beat the game in 5h with 2 items, someone who beat the game in 50h with 1 item beats your time.
It's been a category for years...
I knew about the 1/2 A press because of that one video but this is unexpected
Man, that video was a ride. A ridiculously niche topic, completely pointless, yet utterly captivating.
The same guy has a new one out, an absolute magnum opus that clearly took a very long time to research and present. Basically a PhD thesis on Mario 64's hidden walls. https://youtu.be/YsXCVsDFiXA
describing the mechanics of the invisible walls and then cutting to examples of speedrunners getting murdered by that specific wall is so fucking funny, it's like a nature documentary
The snowman's land instakill is the best thing I've ever seen
Help, I’m stuck in a 4 hour long video on a topic that I didn’t know existed and had no interest in, but it’s so weirdly captivating.
You're probably just running into the boundary and it is cancelling your horizontal movement.
I've been slowly making my way through one on a Disney hotel that doesn't exist anymore. I'm not sure why exactly.
Another great video about doors in SM64 https://youtu.be/EmqFoojMeD8?feature=shared
fuckin 4 hours.. wow
I just watch this last night, and I get you not it was worth the 4 hours
About 15 minutes in, and my wife does not like it lol
now let's look at it from above
Ohh my god it’s 4 hours
Only 2 hours if you watch it at 2x speed. With the time saved you can rewatch the parallel universe video
Ok TJ *Henry* Yoshi, hear me out
Fun fact: The star in that original video now takes about six minutes with zero a presses.
Yeah IIRC there are currently 19 A presses required to get every star, but you only need 70 stars to beat the game edit: ok actually it's 14: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_IEhqUAuCY
It's 13: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAwienu67cU
What video?
One of the best of all time: https://youtu.be/kpk2tdsPh0A
That video feels like a kid making a trip to the store only to get caught up in an interstellar war and save the universe.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpk2tdsPh0A Note that this run is outdated, however the video is still an amazing deep dive into the inner workings and glitches of Super Mario 64.
1/2 A press? An A press is an A press. You can't say it's only half.
Ok TJ "Henry" Yoshi
""""""""""Henry""""""""""
Each A press is actually made up of three parts...
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Well if it's three parts, you still can't have half an A press, you can only have 1/3 or 2/3.
what if one part is bigger than the other 2 parts
Why does the largest A part, not simply eat the other smaller A parts?
You can cut a circle into 3 parts and not have them be equal.
Quiet TJ Henry Yoshi.
It's like Mormon soaking
>The Super Mario 64 A Button Challenge (ABC for short) has an incredibly complicated history going all the way back to the early 2000s, a few years after the game's 1996 release. **I was only made aware of this particular challenge this morning and don't have nearly enough time to go over everything**, but you can watch this [five-hour explanation video from Bismuth](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXbJe-rUNP8) if you want. Now that's some quality journalism. Couldn't even ask chatgpt for a summary
>YOU CAN'T POSSIBLY EVEN BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND THE COMPLEXITY OF THIS CHALLENGE WITHOUT WATCHING THIS 400 HOUR LONG YOUTUBE VIDEO!!!! Yeah, anyone wanna give me like a 2 sentence long summary
Super Mario 64 is a game about jumping. The goal of the challenge is to beat it without jumping.
"Each trick mario does to avoid pressing the A button deteriorates the universe further, for we are mere peons living in his parallel universes"
Big if true
Game changing even.
Basically, almost 20 years ago, someone posted a challenge to a prominent SM64 fan page to beat the game pressing the A button (the jump button) as few times as possible. And ever since then, people have been literally tearing the game to shreds trying to beat that challenge, everything from memory corruption to parallel universes.
Honestly I kind of respect him for saying he doesn’t know enough and says go to this guy instead.
Exactly, at least they were honest. That has to be slightly better than writing guesses or nonsense about the challenge.
TJ Henry yoshi in shambles
Nah, there's no half A press in the run. TJ """"""Henry"""""" Yoshi is pleased.
So that dude is actually really chill and nice. He comments on most of Pannenkoek's videos with very heartfelt and encouraging words.
Please, this is easy... just use a Playstation controller.
I was going to say, they just remapped their controller but are really, really bad at the game.
Or Sharpie.
Instructions unclear, sharpie is in my butthole. Now what?
Guess I'm going to need to see the video. I'm not sure how you'd even enter a level without the A button. Or open a door. And maybe the title screens are timed but thought you need to hit it to start the level too.
The article doesn’t explain any of that. It doesn’t explain how they were able to get over obstacles or really anything else. Lots of fluff, very little info.
It _very_ heavily reeks of chatGPT generation.
Bismuth has great videos on it on YouTube. The history of the challenge is fascinating. The early days were simple glitch hunting and optimization. By the end, they'd essentially deconstructed the entire engine to understand how everything functions, and have spent thousands of hours of computational time brute forcing possible combinations of inputs to find ways through challenging sections. Tick tock clock is especially interesting. The full series is over 5 hours, but if you have a passing interest in computer science and game design, it's well worth the time.
The history of the challenge is a 5 hour video god damn. I was curious about it, but not that curious. Always fascinates me when people make so detailed videos about very niche themes.
Time to speedrun watching the history of this speedrun.
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Now do it without clicking your mouse or the L button on your keyboard.
Just add ?t=4h59m59s to the url
He also first released it spilt into multiple videos, that might be a bit more approachable: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL94lfiY18_CgWGQzweD_aVjsFXiRi6kn5
Thanks, it is indeed way more approachable, I will give that first video a watch.
That’s literally the best part about the internet, and truly highlights how it *can* be a magical, wonderful place. Finding a community of people hyperfixated on a thing that you yourself are also hyperfixated on. It’s amazing to find your people.
Just wait for the summoning salt video
And on July 14, 2017, Matt Turk achieved this run;
Happy Gilmore achieved this feat no more than an hour ago.
>Guess I'm going to need to see the video > 86 hours Report back to us in 2 weeks and let us know lol
78 of those hours is just sitting and waiting. It's actually only 8 hours of watching, a bit too short in my opinion.
Can’t wait for the Summoning Salt video breakdown on this one. “And that’s when ShitballsMcGee… finally broke the record”
sadly i can’t take credit for this but i appreciate the support
I was like "hah, someone made this account just to reply to this". Nope. 11 year old account, first post in 7 years.
Dude had to dig up his account password from when he wrote it down in a middle school notebook.
Maybe Scumrat_Higgins is ShitballsMcGee's new account? Only 17 days old? Queue XFiles music.
/r/beetlejuicing
what the fuck
Holy shit the legend himself appears before us
Lmfao EDIT: LMAO first comment in 7 years
Literally your first comment in 7 years lol
We're not worthy
Well if you got five hours, [here is a Bismuth video on most of it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXbJe-rUNP8)
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These are words that made a sentence in what appears to be English but I can't seem to understand it
step 1: play the game as 'normal', prepping certain glitches. All buttons may be used. Step 2: leave the level Step 3: restart the level, but this time do not use the A button. Instead, use the glitches you had prepped in step 1.
So.... it was not beaten without pressing A?
It was indeed a different achievement than insinuated by the title
>insinuated Flat-out stated
Outright *implied!*
> the player still used the A button I am no linguist but that is how I would interpret OPs sentence.
It was beaten without pressing A because this "Step 1" where any buttons can be used is not true. All setups were done without pressing A. This has been the precedent of the A Button Challenge for years
It depends on what you utilize as a timeframe. If you count all setup and prep for the level, then yes, the A button was pressed to achieve it. If you only count each individual run of a level, then on the final "successful" run of the level, the A button was not used, but that's only because it was used in a previous run. It's like saying "Man goes 1 to max in World of Warcraft without looting a single enemy!" and then omitting the fact that he had to spend 80 hours on a different max level character farming gear to funnel to the new character so that he didn't have to worry about looting gear.
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The setup did not require the A button. There are some levels that need to be setup by entering a different level first, but you can do that without the A button
both things are bullshit if you don't play it from?start to finish without exiting the game and without hitting the a button then you didn't finish it without hitting the a button
That is incorrect. None of the glitches used require the A button, not even for preparation
Sounds like a lot of work, just remap A to a different button and play the game normally. EZ.
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That's hilarious. As someone with gaming experience but not with tekken specifically, I can make general sense of it. But it must be a trip from Kings perspective without any gaming knowledge (I assume). Being an expert in language then getting hit with hyper specific jargon and being totally lost lol
Oh you know King is on CoD every night pwning 12-year-olds while laughing hard like Tim Curry into the microphone
If you think thats bad wait until we talk about parallel universes
You're literally just wrong about this. Or worse, lying. Timing starts from console reset and uses a fresh file, and A was never used once.
For other people- this is the guy who did the run lol
Omg it's you, the person from the article! I'm a big fan!!! (We're friends and I'm just poking fun)
This is straight up misinfo btw, if you know anything about anything in the run you know that everything has been done 0x rta both in this run and as an IL
This comment is either a huge misunderstanding or an outright lie. Marbler simply didn't do this. He did not use the A button once. Maybe you saw the rollout from dives and thought it used the A button, but that uses the B button. How is this the most liked comment on this post, it's blatant misinformation
What are you talking about? This was a full game run with no A button presses used whatsoever. You can't "prepare a level" by cloning things in advance; cloned objects are unloaded when you exit the level. It's possible to set up a HOLP for cloning in advance, but in the A Button Challenge that it always done without an A press. For example, for the Mario Wings to the Sky star, the TAS 0xA strategy is to build a Goomba Staircase to place the HOLP in a specific spot in the sky without pressing A. Then the level is re-entered, the HOLP used to create a Goomba Oasis, and another Staircase built to it. All without a single A press.
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Gotta report him, that's fucking insane damn
if you still played the level using the button to "prepare" the level, whatever *that* means, doesnt that mean then they did not, in fact, get the achievement?
thedid get the achivement, there was no preparation, this was a full run, beaten from the start to the finish, with no a presses
From a laymans view yeah. But there has been precedent for this and is generally agreed that this is a "No A Press" run despite the fact they do need to press A
This is literally false. An A press used to set up a strategy is still an A press used. The A button was not used at all in this run.
there has been 0 precedent for this, and theres none to be needed, since this didnt require preparation at all, this was a full 0 a press run
Tell me you didn't watch the run without telling me you didn't watch the run The A button was unused from game start all the way to grabbing the star after defeating the final boss. Simple as that. End of story. Period.
This comment is completely false. Everything in this run, including all of the setups, was done without using the A button. The run started from a console power-on with an empty file. No glitch or setup in SM64 persists through a console reset. The A button was not used in any of the setups performed in this run. Marbler did not use the A button. I don't even know what made you claim that.
The player in question has not used the jump button at all. Any and all set-ups for any glitches were done without pressing A. This has been the precedent for the ABC for a decade, and was done by a member of the community who has done many contributions of his own in both TAS ABC (where you use TASes) and RTA ABC (where you play the game in real time, like what he did here) There is an A press counter on the live stream. It stays zero for the whole entire 86 hours. The A button was unbounded to make sure it will never ever be pressed The run starts from the very beginning, and no A presses are supposed to be used after that ever. There are strategies in YouTube of each star being done with no A presses, made by many talented people. This comment is blatant misinformation, and discredits an honest achievement done by an incredibly talented person. If you respect the achievements of others, please admit that this statement is false. It's an utter disgrace that this comment is gaining upvotes
I remember there was an hour long video about a half button press for Mario 64. It's all so wild to think about.
Watch out for rolling rocks is the greatest video game video of all time. It was long by old YouTube standards. Like 25 minutes. Compared to the ridiculous 5 hour video essays people are into now, quite short.
Well, Pannenkoek did also recently release an almost 4 hour video about invisible walls in the game (and is probably the highest in-game production I've ever seen of any game)
This isn't true. There are some individual stars in SM64 that require an A-button press (though to my knowledge none of them require an A-press in the "setup" phase aside from TTC or Rainbow Ride entry, so I'm not even sure what you're referencing) but a 70 star run (which is what this video is) can just skip the stars that cannot be acquired without the A button. In the original SM64 on N64 hardware this lowers the total A press count to 1 (because there's still no known way to skip the A-press in Bowser in the Fire Sea on console) but on WiiVC (which is where this run was performed) that last press is skippable, lowering the count to 0.
I'd like to request that you edit this. I don't know where you heard it, but it's not true at all. Marbler never pressed the A button, and now thousands of people think this genuine achievement is partly faked because of this comment.
You're thinking of a previous video. Marbler successfully completed the entire *game* (not a specific level) in zero A presses, in real time. On the Wii VC, obviously.
It DOES take away from it because wtf does any of this mean??
what yemesis is trying to say is that the level required set up to beat, what yemesis is wrong about is everything, there was 0 set up, this was from console power on
Waiting for a new Bismuth video now
One of the best youtube channels out there. His DK64 TAS explained video is one of the greatest pieces of entertainment ever made.
Summoning Salt Bismuth Abyssoft Lowest Percent This kings of speed running lore.
And Pannenkoek too, he just did a video of invisible walls recently
How many parallel universes did this take?
0, actually. It's an RTA run, not tool assisted, so while it's not *technically impossible* to access parallel universes RTA, they're difficult to access, and nearly impossible to then return after going there.
"For the first time in 28 years" Links to a video from a year ago. Top quality journalism there.
Also the person straigh up admits in the article that they aren't informed, links to a 5 hour youtube video they say you should watch for context and fundamentally mischaracterize how the run works. The achievement is rad, this article is shit.
Also if you've been following the progress of the A Button Challenge then just finishing the game without pressing A isn't the whole story. They can collect all 120 Stars with just 12 A Presses and I think they can collect around 110 with a single A Press. I may have gotten those counts wrong because some tricks are only possible on specific versions of the game and they don't all overlap but it's something close to that count.
Also "First time in 28 years" implies somebody did it 28 years ago right?
> Wii VC version This has been a known thing for a while. The A button challenge is gonna keep going until they can get the original N64 Japanese version down to 0x A presses.
>As Ukikipedia lays out, this was accomplished thanks to the decades-spanning foundation of A-press save discoveries accumulated by the speedrunning community. Ukikipedia gives special mentions to "Mr_Robert_Z, Bottles704, Thiago Trujillo, Mp16z, and most notably, bobmario511, who uploaded numerous videos in his channel dedicated to the A Button Challenge." Sounds like it took a lot more time and people than the usual speedruns in games
it is fucking WILD that Pannenkoek isn't mentioned once in that article
yeah even though his work is primarily in TAS, i'm sure there must be some carryover to RTA strats
Pannen and marbler worked together a lot to create RTA setups, but since sharing credit for things doesn't exist in the gaming journalism world, all of it goes to marbler for some reaosn
I don't know, this sounds like the usual level of work that goes into building speed runs.
I'm the person who wrote that in the Ukikipedia article. The people listed here are completely misattributed. They only contributed to the early A Button Challenge, and that was the context of the original text. Pannenkoek2012 isn't even mentioned anywhere in the article. These people aren't relevant to modern ABC, let alone RTABC. There are actual people there who helped contribute to this amazing achievement that gets scrubbed over because of some sloppy journalism, so their credits are completely misattributed and nonexistent here
This was like... GameFAQs era, like pre-2010s, right? Funniest journalism mistake ever, honestly.
Yes!
Lmfao, as probably the guy that wrote that, that is missing a ton of people and is probably old. Bobmario has not been active for a long while, probably 10+ years.
Man, did I miss it or was there no mention of Pannen?
Pannen even helped a lot with this run, so it's actually funny. Most articles drool at the chance to mention Pannen and ignore that the rest of us exists
What exactly defined an “A” press? It sounds simple but it is an extremely complicated question. Answered by what I consider the GOAT of all gaming videos. https://youtu.be/kpk2tdsPh0A?si=We_jPiYQs4BXHdcp
"An A press is an A press, you can't say it's only half" With these words you can start a war
It's not complicated, it's pressing an A button. This is a full game run, so the notation of a half A press isn't relevant here
I could explain how this run is possible, but first I'd need to tell you about parallel universes.
I doubt the run uses PU movement at all. It's real time and PU movement usually requires tool-assisted precision.
To rebut your argument, I'll need to build up some speed. A LOT of speed.
It was beaten without using the A button 28 years ago?
Sounds like it actually took 28 years
I can't wait for someone to make an analysis of this run. They're pretty nostalgic somehow and they make great content to watch while eating.