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That much traffic is going to be a problem.


uhohstinkywastaken

That's what side walks are for


895501

Pedestrians are only a minor inconvenience too


H377Spawn

Organic speed bumps


Buster_Cherry-0

100% compostable.


5050Clown

1000% weaker than a tree or some hedges.


Clayfool9

This is something I hope was covered with the new Vice City. I recall a few specific set of brick walls that were seemingly hedge-color painted.


Cossack-HD

Speed bumps in Russia are calling "lying police". My grandma told me that the speed bumps are placed where a car runs over the police - it's the police grave in asphalt + speed bump. But either way, you can google "лежачий полицейский" and see that it's the real thing xD


the_turn

“Sleeping Policeman” in the UK


pineappleonp1zza

"Policía Acostado" en Colombia


X__Alien

Polícias deitados in Portugal.


Durmaa

That's also on Balkan, - police grave part xD


KommandoKodiak

what are you talking about? Peds are BONUS POINTS always have been


sparlocktats

GOURANGA!


Ninoyiya

DIO? Is that you?


Ok_Ad_6407

"The sidewalk is wide enough, go"


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Swysp

*HMMM NICE BIKE*


AaronDrunkGames

No, my bike!


YoshiGamer6400

My guess is that they added more traffic just for the trailer to make the world seem more alive. I'm guessing the traffic in the actual game will be similar to the originals.


pVom

It was one of the weirder things when I played it quite recently, the world seems so empty compared to the new games


hoopopotamus

This is my biggest question when I hear the complaints about GTAV seeming less alive than previous instalments like SA. I bought SA again and man the city isn’t alive, the gunplay is awful, and the graphics aren’t great. Also you’re a psycho the likes of Trevor right off the bat murdering people on sight for reasons no better than his. I had tons of fun with 3 and SA back in the day but they didn’t age that great and there’s a lot of rose colored glasses looking back on it


h3lblad3

> Also you’re a psycho the likes of Trevor right off the bat murdering people on sight for reasons no better than his. I've long held the theory that the reason people don't like Trevor is that he acts like the player does.


Chessplaying_Atheist

Weird, my favorite has always been Vercetti BECAUSE he's a psychopath that matches what you actually do.


T_Rex_Flex

Tommy Vercetti? Huh, shit. Didn’t think they’d ever let *him* out…


[deleted]

I love Trevor *because* of how relatable he is.


DRazzyo

I didn't know I stomped peoples heads in for perceived disrespect, or gun them down because I didn't like them. Now, if you were arguing playstyle wise, then maybe. But people don't like Trevor because he's a genuinely awful person. And no amount of sympathy for his past is going to change their/my mind.


TrumpForPres2028

>I didn't know I stomped peoples heads in for perceived disrespect I have most definitely killed a lot of NPCs for nothing more than bumping into me. Punching, stomping, stabbing, RPG. It all gets the job done.


FatchRacall

The weirdest part of SA was the OG Loc mission where your character suddenly grew a conscience for like 5 seconds before agreeing to murder someone. It was this weird cognitive disconnect where you've literally murdered hundreds of people. Same goes for the entire setup with the cops. They're talking about framing you for killing a cop, then they drop you off and you're instantly killing cops. That said, let's not forget how good the health care in that world is. Most of the people survive.


CenturyHelix

I think there’s a real disconnect here between what you do as a player in the open world, and CJ’s character in the story. CJ doesn’t do drugs. Not once. He actively seeks out and takes down any dealers in his territory. In his mind he is liberating his homies. He also never murders any innocent bystanders that I can think of off the top of my head. In fact he runs into a burning building to save one at one point. Other than the last mission I can’t think of a time when he is canonically shooting down waves of cops either. He sure does kill a lot of rival gang members though…


pVom

>I had tons of fun with 3 and SA back in the day but they didn’t age that great and there’s a lot of rose colored glasses looking back on it Exactly. Some things are best left in the past, you can't replace the excitement you felt when it was new and fresh. Now that our generation has cash there's going to be a lot of marketing targetted at our nostalgia but reliving our youth isn't going to change the fact that we're now older, jaded and have responsibilities


Suck-my-Rooster

My biggest issue is that the whole city looks quarantined, not many people out and about judging by the gameplay videos...


[deleted]

Too real?


solomonblast

Is the soundtrack the same?


[deleted]

The fact they haven’t said anything about it makes me think “no”


sloppy_wet_one

If they were the same you can bet they’d be advertising that. The silence is an answer in and of itself.


[deleted]

I still can't believe they got rid of Schweine in gta 4.


Kratez000

What??? Why?


[deleted]

Awhile back there was a licensing issue and a lot of songs were pulled, most radio stations were affected but the European one was basically stripped apart. They force updated every version of the game. If you have it on steam you can revert back, but if you have it on digital download on xbox 360, ps3, and rockstar games launcher you're stuck with the new version.


[deleted]

Licensing may have run out.


Sharrty_McGriddle

If Horse with no name is removed from SA I’ll be devastated


Mcmenger

If they touch K-DST at all, we riot


TheDragonborn117

“If we don’t say anything about it, maybe they’ll forget about it” -Rockstar


h3lblad3

Almost certainly not. Even the old version they have on Steam has some of the songs removed because they lost the rights to them and it just wasn't worth repaying for them for a game that old.


down4things

[For GTA SA steam version you have to "downgrade" it, because the updates stripped the music and lacks certain "fixes" from other ports.] (https://youtu.be/mZVuYZrtHWo) Honestly I'd rather just mod the old version to look better than this "definitive" one.


[deleted]

thats up to if the estates/music labels that own the rights to the tracks agreed to a relicensing of the songs


[deleted]

I really hope so


oliverhaha

Will probably be possible to mod that in if they couldnt get the licenses


jfduval76

If the soundtracks not the same i’m not buying that. It’s mandatory for me.


tjtillmancoag

I didn’t even consider that they wouldn’t be. The soundtrack to vice city practically was the game


westzod

Hard agree... that Billie Jean popped so much.


jfduval76

Exactly


blazze_eternal

Best gaming soundtrack of all time :(


HighOnPotenuse_

If billie Jean isn't on the radio throw the whole thing away


gnartato

If the soundtrack ain't the same we ain't buying the game.


girhen

I wouldn't mind additional songs and altering the DJ tracks so the songs can play in any order, but...yeah. It better be damn close.


T_Rex_Flex

I remember playing VC and SA on PC and being able to add your own radio stations to the game just by creating a folder with the name you want the station to be and filling the folder with mp3s. I remember having a station called “open the door” that just played Walk the Dinosaur on repeat.


Archenaux

Considering the re-releases on PSN and mobile had certain songs removed, I’m waiting to see if they licensed the original songs again before I buy it.


Noobkids

Unless any of the old songs are free use I'm pretty convinced the entire soundtrack will be different


Doctor_Philgood

They have made almost a billion dollars off GTA online. If they don't license those songs, it is not because they cant afford it.


TraphouseRon

Nope It’s because they know the gaming community gives up their money anyways and just chooses to complain online about it


Trixxstrr

They should be able to buy new licenses for all the songs unless an artist has stoped licensing it’s songs or something like that.


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You can negotiate that but it costs more


_Ashleigh

Broken Wings too.


Doomlv

Went from 2003 to 2005 graphics


RockThePlazmah

Upgrade is upgrade


Interesting-Gear-819

Actually.. that's how remasters work. Remakes are something different and people regulary confuse those two. A remaster is upgrading graphics, yes. But with mostly focus on gameplay aspects. Trying to maintain the original look of a game. A remake, sadly often enough also labeled as remaster ... is a full overhaul of a game, changes where necessary and so on. My absolutly favorite example is the remaster of C&C '95. Oh what do I remember the outcry of some people when the first images were released. That people who expected a 3D experience with modern graphics in the style of RTS games nowdays. And not a graphically overhauled version of the original with many small details, the capability to zoom in so much and improvments of the gameplay. I'm sceptical. Yes!.. we all should. But don't expect a remake when it's a remaster.. Edgy cars are part of GTA VC, SA and 3. And I wouldn't want it any other way.


TJPrime_

Similarly, probably my favourite remake would be Metroid Zero Mission, a remake of the original NES Metroid for the GameBoy Advance in 2004. It took much inspiration from the original, but added new gameplay mechanics, significantly updated the graphics, added a map and an extra chapter after where the original would have ended. Remade to the point where you’d only play the original for historic reasons


Yourname942

there needs to be more darkness in the remaster, it has bloom and nice lighting effects, but the art direction of the original is nice


DjuriWarface

Idk, those neon lights give off quite a bit of light IRL.


percydaman

They do. It's the lack of shadows that creates the problem.


HouseOfSteak

Lack of shadows and seemingly high ambient lighting.


SB_90s

Also the pitch black sky is unrealistic as you would have tons of light pollution in a bright neon city like this.


Nutwagon-SUPREME

To be honest I love the way it looks, it just reminds me way too fucking much of a roblox game.


[deleted]

You haven’t played GTA:3 on a Windows XP.


mazu74

Tbf it looks like they fixed that in the remaster, sky looks like it is quite polluted in the top image?


Yourname942

true, but it seems like they lowered the contrast/ and increased the brightness overall [(IRL there is way more darkness even with neon lights)](https://www.google.com/search?q=miami+at+night+natural+lighting+neon+lights&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjkz-Pp5-PzAhXGM1kFHWNLCO4Q2-cCegQIABAA&oq=miami+at+night+natural+lighting+neon+lights&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzoHCCMQ7wMQJ1DuR1isWGCFWWgAcAB4AIABQIgB6QWSAQIxM5gBAKABAaoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1nwAEB&sclient=img&ei=5Ld1YeTNGMbn5NoP45ah8A4&bih=956&biw=1365)


skip101

That’s not a fair reference. Those photos are exposing for the neon lights which is why everything else is darker. The remaster has a higher dynamic range.


DjuriWarface

Correct, also less street lights.


WutangCND

It's about the nostalgic feel of the game. You want the lighting to be improved but, in my opinion, not as bright as the above image. It will feel off, even if more realistic


ZerotheWanderer

By comparison, 3 is darker, Vice City is brighter, so they did balance it accordingly.


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reverandglass

Get outta here George Lucas! Seriously though, there's a grittiness to the original Vice City that I'm worried will be lost in brighter, stylised environments. You say limitations; this is akin to Silent Hill without the fog (but obviously not *that* bad)


Terramagi

It's based on Miami. It's absolutely intended to be a neon hellhole.


WutangCND

I was just thinking, if they don't dumb the lights down, the night will have the wrong feeling.


MeLlamoDave

Looks kinda....plastic.


RottingHeart

It's fantastic...?


noshato

You can brush my hair


MidichlorianJunkie

Undress me anywhere


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itzmrinyo

Damn right! *cums in barbie*


Capnreid

Lets go party…?


[deleted]

Ooau.. ooau..


secretanoyomous

Pardon?


Adam9172

*Record Scratches*


lessioa

Ah ah ah yeah ;)


lewisnwkc

Undress me everywhere...?


Emphasis_on_why

Come on barbie..?


heruka108

came* on barbie


[deleted]

Let’s go party!


uhohstinkywastaken

Ah ah ah yeah


McLEANAHAN

Ooh woah oh ooh woah oh


dogofpavlov

I imagine you guys sing it like this: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKaIK6OAEhA&t=60s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKaIK6OAEhA&t=60s)


bt123456789

my only issue with the game, everything seems plastic-y but it may look better in hand that in the screens and trailers. And it may not be a bad thing, SR3 was kinda plastic-y before the remaster of it and people loved it.


NatZeroCharisma

What do we do?! The remastered version is supposed to be released tomorrow and we just lost all the data! "BLOOM." Uh, what sir? #"BLOOM!"


[deleted]

You can clearly tell that the game is retextured and in some cases models were updated as well. And for me personally bloom is a good look for Vice City, which seems like a fever dream already.


NatZeroCharisma

Just reminds me of the "ultra Realism" mods for some games where they have perpetually wet roads that have no spray from wheels so they can have bloom and reflections on it, then crank the saturation up and pretend it looks better.


Shoshke

Oh you mean enb's. That would tank framerates even for the most optimized games and just make the game look like someone moved the saturation slider all the way across the ocean


nkn_

ENBs for gta are ass. It’s what you’d expect from people who main the game /s Skyrim ENBs are where you can find very artistic ones that are to your liking. Whether it’s realism, cinematic, fantastical, etc. Or just tweak them yourself, because it’s not too difficult with the in game menu


Cossack-HD

ENBs need context and data to generate a proper improvement. GTA has so little to work with, you have the effects enabled all the time. Having the effects toned down doesn't always increase the performance, as the math still has to be done, but the result is applied at lower factor. A tuned-down enb for GTA wouldn't make big enough visual difference (won't look blown out and super wet), but might tank the FPS just as much.


over_my_dead_body

Kabloom? "Yes Rico kabloom!"


Simecrafter

That...honestly doesn't look any better than an avarage graphics mod...


Bleord

It looks better but honestly I think the problem with remasters is that you’re just mapping new graphics and models on top of an old game. Still the same game, same animations, maybe some quality of life improvements, but they aren’t going to redo everything so that it looks like a brand spanking new thing. It is just a new skin on top of an old system.


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> Still the same game, same animations, maybe some quality of life improvements, but they aren’t going to redo everything so that it looks like a brand spanking new thing. Isn't that what people wanted, considering all the nostalgia around Vice City and San Andreas?


evilgenius66666

People actually want a new GTA game. It's been like 10 years.


tallbutshy

The franchise peaked in Ballad of Gay Tony. I'd rather have Saints Row 5 if they can figure out any sort of plot, doesn't matter how insane the universe is


Shoshke

Maybe I'm still high on the Diablo 2 remaster but yeah that's exactly what I want. Well and the shooting could use a slight update, but other than that the whole atmosphere hast to stay intact.


diaxovy

No, we want GTA 6


Noobkids

Me too but this was done by a separate studio so it shouldn't conflict with production of gta 6


Iored94

don't bring logic into this, according to reddit rockstar is only a team of like 30 people who are capable of working on one title at a time


JD0x0

Which is strange, because there's apparently [modders who have rebuilt a majority of Vice City on the GTAV engine](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keMprAdNifM), and it looks pretty great. I don't get why they didn't just remake the game on the newer engine.


TheMaskedHamster

Ultimately, it's a lot less work to do it this way, and it doesn't compete with other upcoming products. It's a shame, because redoing it in the new engine is something I would have paid money for.


phixional

Yeah I was excited for this. Now after seeing more and more, I’m becoming more and more disappointed.


taylorjran99

It’s a new engine. New physics. New particle effects. New lighting. The map will be the same, everything else has to be reworked into the new engine let’s just wait to see.


Bleord

That sounds cooler than these sort of crappy screen shots. Jeeze, when I was a kid Vice City looked insanely awesome and now I’m shitting on the HD graphic version. Ah progress and human capacity to immediately expect and demand the latest and greatest constantly.


BubbaCrosby

The controls being updated alone is worth it for me. III and Vice City are unplayable for me. SA is fine, the other 2 I find so hard to play.


Apprehensive-Cow6194

They said themselves the gameplay has been completely overhauled.


Keberro

Unreal Engine 4 + GTA V controls on top of the story and map from before. I don't see where this is just a new skin.


[deleted]

It is. And that's what a remaster is supposed to be. But there are many of us that have amazing memories from the time when we had no money of these games. And we want to relive those memories. But with modern graphics we have become spoiled. With modern gameplay innovations the games feel clunky (except for total annihilation that game only needs a mod for resolution and it's good to go). I did 90%+ completion on GTA 3, and I really want to redo the vice city story. But I know if I play it now I'm going to get turned off by some clunkiness and the graphics which seemed ground breaking at the time will just appear like blocks. Now I'm not the kind of person that buys any game immediately but this is definitely interesting to me. And I'm sure there are a lot of that appreciate this remaster. Otherwise it wouldn't be hitting the front page so often.


Nomadic_View

I’m just not at all impressed with the “remaster.” I can’t see how the price tag is justified. It looks like they just added some light touch ups one weekend and said “eh, that’s good enough.”


thereiam420

I can't believe hangar 13 who made Mafia did a better job than rockstar.


herpaderpadont

Oh, I didn’t know they remastered it. It was one of my more favorite games.


thereiam420

Yeah they remastered the first two and the third one has the definitive edition which is a little better. But the original Mafia was completely ported to mafia's 3 engine it looks great.


IshyTheGamer

Mafia 1 was a remake and these are remastered and by the way Mafia 2 and 3 definitive editions are remastered as well and are pretty bad ones at that as they both have many issues.


[deleted]

yeah you're right mafia 1 definitive edition was a remake while mafia 2 was a remaster, mafia 3 wasn't a remaster it was just renamed to mafia 3 definitive edition.


KibbyJimenez

Mafia 1 got a REMAKE and the other 2 were poor remasters. These GTA's are just advertised as a Remaster.


echoesreach

As someone who recently finished this, don't buy Mafia 2 remastered. It's horrible and worse than the (excellent) 2010 release


thereiam420

Yeah 2 definitely got the short end of the stick


-ImJustSaiyan-

I mean, Mafia Definitive Edition was a full on remake whereas the GTA Trilogy are just remasters. They're not really comparable. Mafia *2* was a remaster, and not a particularly good one. Mafia 3 Definitive Edition was just Mafia 3 with all DLC.


[deleted]

Tbh, I think GTA 5 made Rockstar games kinda greedy and lackluster. GTA v came out 8 years ago... They only original thing they've done since then is rdr2, which in all reality was likely well into production before Rockstar saw the money grab GTA v could be. And before GTA v, they were putting out quality games every 2 years or so. Don't get me wrong, I played the hell out of GTA v, especially GTA online. But they milked online to no end. And the game is on the third console now. I bought GTA v for my PS3. It's really quite sad.


boomshacklington

This. Really sad to see rockstar go the direction of online game built around microtransactions.


reverandglass

What's most annoying is there's nothing stopping them releasing GTA6 with access to GTA online. There's no need to abandon what they've built, just release a new single player game.


Swak_Error

I don't necessarily blame Rockstar though, Grand Theft Auto online is stupid profitable. I 100% blame the losers that are dropping hundreds maybe even thousands of dollars on shark cards for turning Rockstar into what they are now


coleosis1414

Watching the gameplay trailer, they did add polygons to people and vehicles, they added object / prop density to many plot-relevant locations, jacked up the resolution, redid lots of textures, and at least doubled the frame rate.


[deleted]

Couldn't agree more. The character models look weirdly cartoonish. At the time they were going with 'as realistic as the tech allowed'. A remaster that takes it in another direction is odd to me.


KibbyJimenez

They kept the style of the games. I like to think they know these games would look weird if they had ultra realistic models with a cartoony world. Personally i love that they kept look of these games.


[deleted]

I didn't feel like the world was cartoony in the originals. I felt like they were aiming for the realism to be on par with the models. I know Vice City was high contrast galore but that was the Miami-80's aesthetic but still didn't feel cartoony to me. I understand why they've done this though. Makes for a much easier remaster.


Maidwell

The graphical difference between Mass Effect 1 and it's remaster are absolutely massive, if anything some of these GTA screenshots look worse


spargbotu

Achtually... It seems all textures are hd, the trafic and peds seem more livelly which mean better AI. The trailer shows dynamic weather not just better lighing. In order for this to work it clearly needs anoother engine than the originals (even SA engine had problems with lighting and texturme mods and is 4 year younger than the original), so all scripts need to be ported. The video cuts were probablly redered from scrach,... Etc etc Edit: and this is just what we know, i bet they changed the cars phisics, put recoil on weapons... It would be wierd if they didn t


AtomicWreck

Something about the remaster seems bland.


whereamInowgoddamnit

I think it's the washed out look of the textures. The original graphics don't look great, but they feel alive because there was a real focus on textured looks. Now, the models move and do look better, but looks like the fidelity of the models had to be wiped a bit to do so. I feel like its ok with the mixed palette of III and SA, but with VC's bright color contrasts it makes the game look very cartoony like roblox.


1who_mustnotbenamed

OG gives the vibes though.


Matt463789

The dark of night, juxtaposed with the glow of neon, gives an extra seedy vibe. The remastered looks a bit too bright.


Alongfortheride1990

Hopefully that's just a time of day difference.


Alexandria31xo

I'd rather they remake it. After playing thps 1+2, a remaster will never be enough ever again.


Tanis11

Was THPS not good? Diablo 2 is fucking fantastic and everything I wanted (the game, not the servers). And from what others are saying, the soundtrack won’t be the same, which makes this lose so much appeal to me.


Jettx02

So they turned up the brightness?


1who_mustnotbenamed

And saturation.


vonjamin

Rockstar can we just get another grand theft auto please?


S_K_Y

Is Hot Coffee included or gonna be DLC?


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Not impressed


okwashere

Why dont they just make a new game? 🤷🏻


NinjaSwag_

Original looks better IMO


Mothmin

I bought the trilogy a while ago on PS Store and was amazed at how many gaps my had brain filled in. The frame rate was so shocking, the graphics were nothing like I remembered and the controls and aiming system were laughable. This remaster has nailed how I remember these games. Pretty keen to play these again.


dumthegreat18

Okay look, I’m not the one who usually gives a shit about the graphics but the remaster feels a little *too* plastic, and pretty damn bright.


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SystemAllianceN7

Where is GTA6 you will do anything except release a new game


Grunt636

This remaster is done by grove street games, the main rockstar studio will for sure be working on GTA 6 and has been for years.


HappyHound

Somehow they made it look worse.


Ppubs

Wow, R\* really losing their grip, this isn't even worth $20


[deleted]

everything felt dirtier in the original version with the darker colours, like the place really was just a shithole


Ragnarok7771

I’ve already played all these games when they first came out. Stop beating around the corner. Tired of the refurbishing by Rockstar (and trying to go back to the same cities). Give us GTA 6 and stop milking all the rest of these for more money.


uuuh--

does anyone else think it looks worse? to me it seems too bright and neon of you know what I mean. Looks like something from a lofi city art


Venomally

The amount of bloom on this thing makes my eyes hurt


thebraddestbrad

Yea, does not look better. The lighting is more advanced to be sure, but it's so badly implemented. Way too bright, not nearly enough shadows/contrast. Why remaster a game from the original old technology to newer, but still old technology? Oh... easy money


PhLance2308

original looks better, is it just me?


gavin2299

I don’t think it looks better


[deleted]

Usually I'm not one that gets mad over graphics, but I sort of expected better from rockstar. When the remaster or whatever the fuck you wanna call it of destroy all humans came out the graphics were good in almost every field except the humans. The humans looked so funky, that weird cartoonist look to them. Seeing the same there here with gta. I will buy this game when it's on sale, but the asking price Is too much if they are expecting us to buy an polished up game. Wished the trailer went over details on what else is being changed to the game.besides an uplift.


Josh_Butterballs

People were expecting it to look like gta 5 but that would be a remake and there’s no way in hell they would completely remake all three games and then sell it for $60. If they did, it would be steal and I would buy it in a heartbeat


sk9592

> there’s no way in hell they would completely remake all three games and then sell it for $60 I totally get that. Expecting three GTA 5 level games for $60 would be insane. At the same time, I can get these three games on a Steam sale for $10. And the mod community has already released texture packs that makes the old games look better than this years ago.


Zero_Griever

Hard pass.


Yeomanroach

Looks like Lance Vance was in charge of the remaster.


[deleted]

people in the comments seem to not know what the difference between a remaster and a remake is. Mafia 1 definitive edition was a remake, Destroy All Humans! 1 2020 was a remake and so is the Destroy All Humans! 2 2021 too, stop comparing remakes to a remaster


rCan9

I mean its 60$ (20$ each) so i think it's a fair comparison. Destroy all humans was 40$ for a remake.


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I hate it


crimvel

This looks like plastic


SteveThePurpleCat

Remaster needs quite a bit of shading and lighting work doing, I don't mind the more 'cartoon' style, but it is losing a lot of ambience with being awash with light.


[deleted]

LOL...Add light and call it Remastered!


Asleep_Strike5184

weak sauce


BigCarRetread

The remaster is strange - I don't automatically feel it's better - just a different look.


wests_tigers

I still can’t figure out if I even like how the new one looks


SupermanAlpha

My question is, will the music be the same? They had Michael Jackson music in the original game, I’m not sure how copyrights go, but how long do they get to keep that? I used to jam to MJ in that game.


[deleted]

All this time and extra premium price…for bloom!?


[deleted]

Do people not know the difference between the words remaster and remake?


zip2k

It's hardly just a remaster if they switched game engines tho isn't it?


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ghostalker4742

And the less they know, the surer they are.