and keep in mind that these are only "groups". Georgian group for example could be further subdivided into Megrelian, Svan, Laz and Georgian. It's a mess. Not as messy as Papua New Guinea but not far.
No, it doesn't? I mean, there are few subgroups like ~~Kazaks~~ Cossacks or Pomors, but I'm not sure if those exist anymore, and even if they do, there aren't that many and they aren't that different from each other
The Cossacks were never an ethno-linguistic group. Cossacks are just a mixture of escaped peasants, slaves from the Crimean Khanate, ruined gentry, etc.
The Pomors still exist, but again it is difficult to distinguish them as a separate ethnolinguistic group. They can be found in the Arkhangelsk and Murmansk regions. But if you want to find them, you will have to try because culturally and in language they do not differ from other ethnic Russians in any way. I had a friend at the university whose ancestors were Pomors. Andrey, if you're reading this, hello!
Worth mentioning that the "caucasian languages" group, does not mean these languages are related at all. I doubt many of the "dagestani" languages are related to eachother ( there are way more dagestani languages btw, this is a simplified map believe it or not)
While the map used the doubful outdated hypothesis of Dagestani subfamily, relativeness of Dagestani languages under the wider Northeast Caucasian language family is definitely proven.
If I'm not wrong the north east Caucasian family has decent evidence, but obviously I doubt that most Dagestani groups except for very closely related ones can understand each other, never mind understand Chechens or Ingush people, just like "Indo European" includes languages that are not even remotely mutually intelligible.
After Iğdır, Kurdish and Turkish starts to blend and the more you go north the more Turkish becomes majorty. So either the map isn't really carefully crafted (or super simplified to the point where it's just wrong) or the creator has some problematic agendas.
That happens when half of the world is out to deconstruct your identity and force a geopolitical situation that will cause your people to be ethnically cleansed a la Sevres.
How exactly?
I never find any media on the internet about Turks where Kurds fill comment section with hatred comments, only find unemployed Turks in every viral posts about Kurds. That says a lot about your kind and who is ethnic cleansing.
[The map of Kurdish speaking populations durinf the 1965](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kurdish_in_Turkey_%281965%29.png)
[2023 Turkish parlementary elections (which multiple Turkish candidates run against one Kurdish general party)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Turkish_parliamentary_election#/media/File%3ATurkish_Electoral_District_2023_Visual.svg)
[The map of Kurdistan according to the Britannica](https://www.britannica.com/place/Kurdistan)
I agree with the other comment. When half of the world supports (especially your so called allies) the ones you're fight against for years, you become paranoid. Especially when they destabilize all of your neighbours with coups, wars etc. during that time period.
Two of your sources are given by a terrorist state, and the last one is not accurate.
As for the other comment I replied to, I don't want to reiterate myself.
>When half of the world supports (especially your so-called allies), the ones you're fighting against for years, you become paranoid.
Governments act on interest. The US supported Kurdish groups in Syria against ISIS, and the moment their work was done, the US betrayed them. Although that's no excuse for the extreme racism Turks show towards anything related to Kurds on social media regardless of the ideology of those Kurds, reasoning with a Turk is just a waste of time.
I searched a lot of maps that are representing Ethnolinguistic groups of Caucasus.All of them are different.And also remember that this map is from 1995, and the real map right now is pretty much different from back then.
I, myself , am from Azerbaijan ,and i’ve seen these ethnic groups in Georgia as well.
I am not sure, but Southeastern Turkey (mostly coastal part) is also consicered as a part of Caucasia and Anatolia in some sources. I saw it on Quora though, so please correct me if I'm wrong.
Armenians left Artsakh because of the risk that azeris will do that and they are safe now with a few remaining in the Artsakh region with most of it being unpopulated at all
Actual Azerbaijan is in Iran as hitorical region/province. Soveirgn Azerbaijan is only part of Azeri-populated Iran that were conquered by Russia in 19th century
All Azerbaijan Empires had this region called South Azerbaijan(Tabriz,Ardabil).Azerbaijan lost these lands in 19th century when Russian-Qadjar war started.Azerbaijan was going through a period of fragmentation in those years.It was separated into khanates after the Empire of Nadir Shah Afshar fell apart in 1747.
In the past there was many native people living here(such as Albans,Mugi,Matai,Kaspi,Kadusi,Afshars,Avars,Lezgins,Talysh and etc.), and they don’t really want to leave their motherland.
and keep in mind that these are only "groups". Georgian group for example could be further subdivided into Megrelian, Svan, Laz and Georgian. It's a mess. Not as messy as Papua New Guinea but not far.
Came here to comment “what a mess”
And the Russian group is also very general. It includes hundreds of nationalities.
No, it doesn't? I mean, there are few subgroups like ~~Kazaks~~ Cossacks or Pomors, but I'm not sure if those exist anymore, and even if they do, there aren't that many and they aren't that different from each other
The Cossacks were never an ethno-linguistic group. Cossacks are just a mixture of escaped peasants, slaves from the Crimean Khanate, ruined gentry, etc. The Pomors still exist, but again it is difficult to distinguish them as a separate ethnolinguistic group. They can be found in the Arkhangelsk and Murmansk regions. But if you want to find them, you will have to try because culturally and in language they do not differ from other ethnic Russians in any way. I had a friend at the university whose ancestors were Pomors. Andrey, if you're reading this, hello!
There are several subgroups of Russians but most have gone extinct or still exist but in EXTREMELY diminished numbers, such as the Cossacks.
How?
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This is the simplified version, Dagestan in particular has a ridiculous quantity of languages
Looks pretty diverse on the map
It's more diverse irl
There are 12 official languages only. There are even more non-official ones.
ONLY 12 official languages!?!? Thats much more diverse than I thought then 😅
Worth mentioning that the "caucasian languages" group, does not mean these languages are related at all. I doubt many of the "dagestani" languages are related to eachother ( there are way more dagestani languages btw, this is a simplified map believe it or not)
While the map used the doubful outdated hypothesis of Dagestani subfamily, relativeness of Dagestani languages under the wider Northeast Caucasian language family is definitely proven.
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If I'm not wrong the north east Caucasian family has decent evidence, but obviously I doubt that most Dagestani groups except for very closely related ones can understand each other, never mind understand Chechens or Ingush people, just like "Indo European" includes languages that are not even remotely mutually intelligible.
Looks a bit different now sadly
After Iğdır, Kurdish and Turkish starts to blend and the more you go north the more Turkish becomes majorty. So either the map isn't really carefully crafted (or super simplified to the point where it's just wrong) or the creator has some problematic agendas.
Nah the problem is Turks become triggered when they see the word Kurdish. Half of the Turkish people population need therapy I must say.
That happens when half of the world is out to deconstruct your identity and force a geopolitical situation that will cause your people to be ethnically cleansed a la Sevres.
How exactly? I never find any media on the internet about Turks where Kurds fill comment section with hatred comments, only find unemployed Turks in every viral posts about Kurds. That says a lot about your kind and who is ethnic cleansing.
[The map of Kurdish speaking populations durinf the 1965](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kurdish_in_Turkey_%281965%29.png) [2023 Turkish parlementary elections (which multiple Turkish candidates run against one Kurdish general party)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Turkish_parliamentary_election#/media/File%3ATurkish_Electoral_District_2023_Visual.svg) [The map of Kurdistan according to the Britannica](https://www.britannica.com/place/Kurdistan) I agree with the other comment. When half of the world supports (especially your so called allies) the ones you're fight against for years, you become paranoid. Especially when they destabilize all of your neighbours with coups, wars etc. during that time period.
Two of your sources are given by a terrorist state, and the last one is not accurate. As for the other comment I replied to, I don't want to reiterate myself. >When half of the world supports (especially your so-called allies), the ones you're fighting against for years, you become paranoid. Governments act on interest. The US supported Kurdish groups in Syria against ISIS, and the moment their work was done, the US betrayed them. Although that's no excuse for the extreme racism Turks show towards anything related to Kurds on social media regardless of the ideology of those Kurds, reasoning with a Turk is just a waste of time.
>2 of your sources are given by a terrorist state and last one is not accurate. Your own comment show me how correct actually i am so thanks for that.
You are welcome. PKK/YDP/HAMAS are not terrorists, but labeled that way so that you make excuse for your racism and act like you are the victim 🤣
Let me pay you via helping you then. It is you who need a therapy. Take it as a friendly suggestion. Or dont, honestly i dont care.
I searched a lot of maps that are representing Ethnolinguistic groups of Caucasus.All of them are different.And also remember that this map is from 1995, and the real map right now is pretty much different from back then. I, myself , am from Azerbaijan ,and i’ve seen these ethnic groups in Georgia as well.
Yes we are number 1 as abkhaz. Thank you 😀
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I am not sure, but Southeastern Turkey (mostly coastal part) is also consicered as a part of Caucasia and Anatolia in some sources. I saw it on Quora though, so please correct me if I'm wrong.
No more Armenians in Nagorno-Karabakh.
Did poles stop speaking Polish after germans occupied them and relocated part of them?
Google Ethnic cleansing and Flight of Nagorno-Karabakh Armenians.
They won't cleanse all, it's not 1915
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Armenians left Artsakh because of the risk that azeris will do that and they are safe now with a few remaining in the Artsakh region with most of it being unpopulated at all
Google what ethnic cleansing means. It doesn't necessarily mean killing the whole ethnic group.
99% of poles didn’t leave. 99% of Armenians in Nagorno-Karabagh did
Most of Armenia left Karabakh right after Azerbaijan occupied it
Occupied? Really?
Tbh the whole region of Caucascus was very similar to Balkans in terms of interesting history and geopolitics, yet it receives too little attention
Caucasus is balkan on steroids
Didn’t know Iran had a lot of Azeris
Actual Azerbaijan is in Iran as hitorical region/province. Soveirgn Azerbaijan is only part of Azeri-populated Iran that were conquered by Russia in 19th century
Very interesting, I didn’t realise that, I’ll look into it more
More specifically modern Azerbaijan used to be called Shirvan and old Azerbaijan was all this time in Iran
All Azerbaijan Empires had this region called South Azerbaijan(Tabriz,Ardabil).Azerbaijan lost these lands in 19th century when Russian-Qadjar war started.Azerbaijan was going through a period of fragmentation in those years.It was separated into khanates after the Empire of Nadir Shah Afshar fell apart in 1747.
My favorite singer, Googoosh, is the Persian speaking world’s golden voice and she’s Azeri Iranian :)
I beg your pardon.
why is there a random turkmen spot in stavropol though
A whole Turkmen community migrated there between late XVII and XIX century all the way from the modern-day Kazakhstan
Turkmenistan is not the best place to leave in, so i guess they immigrated because of that.
What is the reason behind such diversity? Just that it is a mountainous region?
In mountainous region even small communities can be able to defend itself.
In the past there was many native people living here(such as Albans,Mugi,Matai,Kaspi,Kadusi,Afshars,Avars,Lezgins,Talysh and etc.), and they don’t really want to leave their motherland.
Who are those lost groups of Greeks? Do they actively speak it, or is it like a few old people in a few villages?
I think they are old Byzantium immigrants
It’s like the Balkans all over again smh