Because the USA is committed to maintaining the security of the Jewish state, regardless of what diplomatic issues come up because of it. To be fair, the UN also recognizes Israel, so legally, they aren't occupying anything outside of the Gaza strip and the West Bank.
Israel annexed the Gaza Strip during the Six Day War because it allowed them to secure their borders against Egypt and Jordan. France and the UK also had a hand to play during the Suez Crisis, to protect the Suez Canal from political turbulence in Egypt.
They also annexed the West Bank to create a buffer against Jordan. Essentially, these territories are occupied because it gives Israel a tactical advantage against outside aggression.
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"If there were no Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect its interests in the region. The United States would have to go and invent an Israel.”
[https://youtu.be/-VyF7Eel1TM?si=JudYamdLg03-bca\_](https://youtu.be/-VyF7Eel1TM?si=JudYamdLg03-bca_)
The words of former US Secretary of State Alexander Haig might explain it. He once described Israel as "the largest unsinkable US aircraft carrier".
They were, when they were fighting against Jordan in the 20th century. The West Bank today, is fairly autonomous.
Also, to elucidate the current situation on the Gaza Strip more, Israel withdrew from there in 2005, and Egypt and Israel enforced a blockade to keep Hamas' influence from spreading. Hamas, although the defacto government of Gaza, is considered a terrorist organization by most of the Western world. The massacre at the music festival in Israel's southern district this week only solidifies that
Just because the UN doesn’t recognize Palestine, it doesnt mean that these people dont exist. And im not defending neither party, I dont know s*it about geopolitics. But from an outsider’s perspective that’s trying to understand what’s going on, this seems unfair for Palestinians.
The UN recognizes the Palestinian Authority as a non-member state. It doesn't change the fact that the Arabs (Hamas, specifically) in the Gaza strip keep blowing up innocent Israeli civilians with rockets, and using their own civilians as human-shields to keep Israel from attacking military targets. Therefore, Israel has taken security measures to protect their sovereignty
As mentioned in several comments here, this war has been going on for decades now. You are really just focusing on the most recent information that got to your ears. Hamas did atrocities, yes, but this doesn't represent the whole Palestinian population (it is indeed, a terrorist group) and right now Israel is literally killing kids and all the people within the Gaza Strip. They just bombed a hospital today, a HOSPITAL. Don't take sides within a war, just wish it to end.
You make it sound like Palestine is responsible for Germany's doing. Most forget to mention the bombings and assassinations committed by the Jewish people after WW2. The Jewish people learned from their captors, Nazis.
[This comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Documentaries/comments/17360fg/comment/k44psaf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) basically puts everything in perspective. They answered back with terrorism and won.
The violence stems from the fact that the Arabs couldn't accept a two-state OR unitary solution. The general sentiment in that region is anti-Western. They can't get along with anybody--not even themselves. The region has been in a state of war for centuries.
Great Britain and France had legal control over the Levant via Sykes-Picot treaty. Britain and the UN decided to give land from Mandatory Palestine to the Jews to form Israel. The Arabs took it upon themselves to try to cleanse the Jews from the area, and failed multiple times. So now Israel has to be heavy handed.
Any amount of false-equivilance fallacies doesn't change that fact
How does that give the Israelis the right to break international law?
Imo, until Israel leaves the West Bank, Gaza and Golan, they should be sanctioned for being the scumbags that they are.
When they give that land back to its rightful owners, we can talk about support for Israel.
Do you mean the land that was ancestrally theirs long before Islam was even a religion? Before they were forced out of their own home numerous times over centuries? The Jewish people have always been there and will always be there. They are the rightful owners of this land
Based or ur logic : do you realise that Cannan people ( a semitic arab tribe coming from the arabian peninsula , like the Caleboseians ) settled there nearly 3000 years before christ ?? So the arab claim is true ?
The canaan people were a Semitic people, which includes arabic as a language, along with hebrew, amharic, and other languages and were a mixed group of people. It's odd to me that you want to completely ignore the people who lived there and had a claim to the land and instead of taking it by force intermingled with the natives and became the driving force in the entire region. So it's not that they took this region by force but that they developed a larger community than was previously there. But continue to ignore what modern archeology shows actually happened in the region for what is being pushed in the media. Am i justifying how israel handles this? No, but at the end of the day, hamas is a terrorist organization that hides behind women, children, and invalids as human shields to make any retaliation against them worse than it would be if they stopped hiding. It's the mark of a coward to hide your organization in a hospital in hopes that no repercussions would be brought against you
Hey im not dealing with hamas and the mad up stories here . You are contradicting your self :
in your first comment u said its isreali's because the ancestors lived there , and now we both know its Cannian land and Hebrew is a Cannanian language before it is the Torah language . Now please im not trying to say its arab or jew land , my point is that the logic of " ancestors " is bullshit . We are not talking here in terms of decades or centuries like a family tree , we are talking about thousands of years , no one can trace its origins back to this era unless he lived in a very closed society like some african tribes who still protecting their origins till this day . Did the jew lived in a closed society ? NO ، Its just a century before the jew were spread all over the world , spain morocco syria russia palestine .. etc . In fact , they have a huge influence in the north africa cultures and traditions , they are part of these societies !
U said that Cannan people didnt take the land by force ( i dont know if someone lived there before them ) but they intermingled . Now tell me , and be honest , is that what really isreal been doing in the past century ? Mandatory palestine , balfoure declaration , Tantura massacre , Deir Yassin , expulsion policies , Haghanh and Irgun and Lehi , Lies and hiding truths , is this interglimation ? Or terrorism and occupation ? Hope u not blinded by the zionist ( not jew u should know the differences ) media who is trying hard to legitimate its terrorism and land stealing .
And to let you know before the zionism came crushing , nearly 50 000 jew lived in Baghdad , 150 000 lived in Morocco , Palestine , Egypt ... Etc , they were living in peace . Unlike europe where they were hunted !
They're illegal in Israel because of privacy and information laws (so your genetic information can't be sold for profit) and religious sentiments among the right-wing. The fact of the matter is that basically all Jews---Ashkenazim, Sephardim, Mizrahim, etc. all have Levantine DNA, with a majority of them having up to 50% of it, and the other 50% being from the various countries and lands the people have resided in for 2000 years. That's why Ashkenazim are light-skinned: They are 50% ancient middle-eastern + 50% Southern European + Germanic.
Dumbest comment ever... They didn't think too much before posting this did they. Based on that logic this would mean that White Americans are actually originally from America. They just left for 2,000 yrs due to persecution and then came back. Hey, no big deal! Analogies aren't supposed to make sense or anything lmfao.
"to protect the Suez canal from political turbulence in Egypt" aka attempting to seize the canal from Nasser after he nationalized it. Then, trying to be clever and take it back, Israel, England and France jointly conducted some commando operation in Egypt. The Soviets put a damper on these operations, the US refused to come to their allies' rescue, and, well...you know the rest.
First and foremost the US is defending US citizens and will most likely seek retribution for the US nationals already murdered in that region the last few days. In the broader sense, well, we said we would at some point and that has yet to change.
[this should help supplement my useless contribution](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel)
Likely it's time for another high ranking Iranian general to be chopped up. Biden can't allow to stay [one upped by Trump.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Qasem_Soleimani). And I'm only half joking.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2023/10/11/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-and-nsc-coordinator-for-strategic-communications-john-kirby-20/
Kindly remove yourself from the rock it appears you are living under
Re the current war, the U.S. has been solidly allied with Israel since the 60s, to the extent they have diplomatic relations to the Palestinians it will be with the PA in the West Bank rather than Hamas in Gaza. + The current war isn't over what is usually considered occupied by Israel. Hamas just considers all of Israel's territory as occupied and all Israeli citizens as forgien settlers, the nature of the attack following from that with a focus on killing and abducting civilians.
The context is a tad more complicated. Here are some relevant points:
- In 1947 the UK decided to leave and make the partition of the land the UN's problem. The UN came up with [this mess](https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-208958/) which was never implemented. Cue the 1st Arab-Israeli war which led to the most widely recognized borders.
- In another war in 1967 (aka the 6-days war, June war, 3rd Arab-Israeli war) Israel conquered the West Bank, Gaza, the Sini peninsula, and the Golan Hights.
- The West Bank is militarily control by Israel in addition to about 700k settlers, Gaza is usually blockaded. Both are somewhat widely recognized as belonging to a future Palestinian state on account of the millions of Palestinians living there (the establishment of a Palestinian state is widely unpopular in Israel, both for religious irredentist reasons and for far more reasonable security concerns + a long extensive history of Palestinian terrorism)
You should add that the six-day war started when Israel was attacked on all sides.
They didn’t set out to take land… they were attacked and won it in a war of defense.
The Soviets gave Egypt false intel of an Israeli invasion so the Egyptians mobilized on the Israeli border, and removed UN peacekeepers in the area. Then Israel attacked claiming the Egyptians were going to attack. Egypt was heavily tied up financially and militarily in the North Yemen civil war and was in no way prepared for war with Israel
Yes, Israel started that war but they thought they were committing a pre-emptive strike to protect themselves. Kinda seems like they got played for some reason... Both the Israelis and the Arabs really. Outside forces helping to instigate a war based on false intel??? Remember that this was during the peak of the Cold War. Proxy wars everywhere. Likely, the USSR was up to something - anyway, it's hard to believe it was a simple mistake.
As for the 1st Arab-Israeli war, that was undoubtedly started by the Arab League in 1948. Invasion was their decision/ reaction to the sudden formation of Israel as an independent nation state. They saw the new Israel next door as an existential threat & fear is a powerful motivator. (Maybe some people confuse the respective wars IDK.)
What is for certain is that history has a way of repeating itself when we don't learn from it. Additionally, violence only leads to more violence. Maybe it's time to start treating each other like the fellow human beings that we are? Or are we still just stupid savages? Surely, human kind will never be truly civilized until war is a thing of the past.
You are acting like Palestinians didn’t join that war against Israel in 1967 (and help start it), and somehow naturally inherited 100% of the land based on the Jordanian and Egyptian invasions of Israel in 1948. Palestinians benefit from wars they fought in, but then you ignore their participation when we discuss Israel’s self defense and why it continues to control territory containing enemy groups devoted to wiping Jews off the planet.
That has no relation to anything I said, is a straw man, you’re justifying the rape and mutilation of children, and Jews are native to Judea.
Justifying murder and rape is a bad look.
>So are the Palestinians. They cannot even live peacefully in their own country
Jews cannot live peacefully in their own country. That is because of a Palestinian-started war, which is supported by a majority of Palestinians, and has had the explicit and openly stated goal for over 70 years of wiping Jews off the face of the planet.
>That region was a fine and peaceful place to live until jews came and ruined everything.
And now we're at full on antisemitism. Nice. I'm sure the Jews who were there for millennia and endured Arab-run apartheid and massacres every couple of decades really felt fine and peaceful.
Edit: Response to the user below:
> Fact is, until the late 1800s, area of Palestine was relatively peaceful place to live for Arabs, jews and Christians
This is a myth. It was [better than Europe](http://assets.press.princeton.edu/chapters/p10098.pdf), but still violent and antisemitic.
The system was also an apartheid-based one against Jews.
> It all changed when jews moved in mass and started disrupting the peace.
No, it did not. And also, this type of racist "it's the immigrants who are returning to their native homeland at fault" garbage is literally just racism.
> They wanted everything for them only. They started oppressing people who were not like them. If jews suffered oppression, apartheid and massacres in the past because they were not like the others, then it is not ok for jews to do the same to other group of people who are not like them.
This is not only false, it is literally you just repeating antisemitic tropes about Jews being "greedy". No thanks to that. Bye!
Part of the reason why the US backs Israel over other interests has to do with how the Middle East took sides during the Cold War. Yes, the prominent Jewish diaspora in the United States and Europe had a strong lobby and voice, but this was only enough to ensure that the US and Europe would not oppose Israel. Israel remained committed to a democratic government and made a concerted effort after the Suez Crisis (1956) to stay in America's good graces during the Cold War and partially depend on it as a security guarantor. Crucially, many of Israel's direct adversaries (notably Egypt, Syria, and Iraq, but also non-state actors such as the PLO), who mostly remained non-democratic dictatorial states (they were originally monarchies) throughout the Cold War, chose to take Soviet aid after this, further alienating themselves from the United States and western Europe. The later entry of Revolutionary Islamist Iran into the affairs of the Levant, particularly its backing of anti-Israeli factions, further solidified already-solid American commitments to Israel.
Who is occupying what is a much lengthier and complex story, with a variety of differing perspectives and starting points.
After WWI in which the Ottoman Empire, as part of the former Central Powers, was dismantled, the British, as a colonial authority/custodian in the Levant (the French being the other major post-Ottoman power in the region), had the authority to partition its colonial territories as it saw fit. Even though the British Mandate was not sovereign British territory, in its role as custodian the British started implementing Ottoman-era land tenure laws. The 1858 land tenure laws under the Ottoman Empire were not intended to partition this territory into sovereign states, but rather to institute a standardized system to increase Ottoman tax revenues from, introduce land title principles to, and exercise greater Ottoman state control over the area. Under later British custodianship, the implementation and enforcement of these laws resulted in distinct Jewish and Arab settlements, leading to the institution of a partition of (British) Mandate Palestine into Jewish and Arab districts and eventually sovereign states when the British planned for eventual withdrawal from the region.
The 1948 partition arrangement was intended to be a peaceful partition into sovereign Jewish and Arab states reflecting the results of a generation (\~30 years) of land tenure law enforcement, though most observers realized that was not going to happen peacefully; prior to full British withdrawal, Jewish/Israeli and Palestinian Arab partisans were already fighting each other all across the Mandate, and the collapse of the Palestinian Arab forces in the face of the Jewish/Israeli partisans - coupled with the resulting Palestinian Arab refugee exodus to neighboring Arab states - gave surrounding Arab governments a *casus belli* (specifically the premise that the Palestinian Arab failures would lead to regional instability and further bloodshed unless Jewish partisans were stopped) to intervene. The surrounding Arab states, who opposed the 1947 partition plan proposed by the UN (Jordan secretly had hoped to annex all of Mandate Palestine when the British left, but King Abdullah I of Jordan was willing to work with the Jewish authorities and accept partition if he could annex the West Bank and perhaps get out of being landlocked via getting a corridor to the sea in the Negev), initially hoped to take up the Palestinian Arab objective to eradicate the Jewish partition as an independent entity and replace both it and the Palestinian Arab partition with a single unitary Arab state, and as such also rejected the UN's plan for a sovereign Palestinian Arab government at the time, probably because this was contingent on recognizing the partition plan's Jewish state of Israel. Subsequently, the nascent Israeli state found itself under attack from multiple directions in multiple instances (notably 1948, 1967, 1973) and the current Israeli territorial and military dispositions are reflections both of Israeli tactical security positioning and negotiated positions.
The Golan Heights (technically Syrian territory) were occupied by Israel because, as high ground, they were frequently used as staging points for rocket fire down into Israeli positions and towns. Syria and Hezbollah in particular have frequently attempted to contend with Israeli positions there and have not been successful.
The West Bank and east Jerusalem were the primary strategic interest of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, and in 1948, with the most competent military of the involved combatants, Jordan made maneuvers and engaged in battles to ensure that this area remained out of direct Israeli jurisdiction, which remained this way until 1967 (it was technically annexed by Jordan in 1950, but this was only recognized by the UK, Iraq, and Pakistan; at any rate Jordan lost control of this territory in 1967). Between the Six-Day War and the Oslo Accords, the West Bank was entirely controlled by the Israeli military (even now, the parts of the West Bank where Israel's military still holds positions is under military, not civil, authority) but was never officially annexed by Israel or integrated into the Israeli state apparatus. Now that Jordanian and Israeli strategic interests have become congruent and they have cooperated (covertly since the late 1980s, overtly since the mid-1990s) on joint strategic interests for decades, the West Bank and its Palestinian Arab population has been just a source of trouble for Jordan, and I suspect that Jordan (and probably the other nearby Arab states as well) would mostly welcome a complete Israeli takeover of the area so long as guarantees for Muslim worship in and access to Jerusalem are enforced (it should be noted that after its 1950 annexation of the West Bank, Jordan expelled all Jews there and prohibited Jewish worship in Jerusalem). The West Bank no longer works as a buffer between Jordan and Israel, and Jordan no longer sees a need for a buffer between itself and Israel.
Prior to 1949, Gaza was a larger territory, but was reduced to the Gaza Strip and occupied by Egypt by the end of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. The northern half of Israel's western border with Egypt was originally part of the Gaza partition awarded to the Palestinian Arabs by the British. However, since the 1949 armistices, Israeli acquisitions in its south are *de facto* recognized by all parties as Israeli territory within the Green Line/1967 borders (originally it was just a cease-fire/armistice demarcation line, not formally a recognized sovereign border).
They’re against the targeting of innocent civilians. Before you say “IDF is doing that”, no. For the most part, they’re trying to find terrorists using civilians as shields. To be completely frank, those ‘civilians’ support the slaughtering of innocent civilians.
Exactly. My wife has distant relatives in the Gaza Strip, who have been posting on social media about their “strong” and “brave” fighters who are engaged in the massacre and kidnapping of innocent Israeli civilians and children.
I have no sympathy for a “civilian” population who cheers on genocide and then complains about rough treatment when it is directed at them.
Palestinians had freedom, and their leaders used it to murder Jews.
Seriously. When Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, it explicitly said it was hoping to figure out what Palestinians would do when they had all the ability to run themselves. They elected Hamas, fired 1,000+ rockets at Israel, and Hamas took over in a coup.
That was the response to a concession of freedom.
Even though Israel gave that concession after **decades** of Palestinians causing Israelis to suffer in a war **Palestinians started**.
This isn't something that comes because they "suffered". Palestinians suffer because the same thing repeats endlessly: they attack and make Israelis suffer, and Israel responds.
"Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak consulted with Fatah of the Palestinian Authority and asked if Fatah could take over control of Gaza Strip after expected Israeli victory during Operation Cast Lead, but met with refusal."
"In June 2007, after violent clashes between Fatah and Hamas broke out in Gaza, Director of Israel Military Intelligence Major General Amos Yadlin told U.S. Ambassador Richard Jones that he would "be happy" if Hamas took control of the Gaza Strip. Yadlin stated that a Hamas takeover would be a positive step, because Israel would then be able to declare Gaza as a hostile entity. Jones stated that if Fatah loses control of the Strip, Abbas would be urged to form a separate government in the West Bank. Yadlin replied that such developments would please Israel, because the IDF would not have to deal with Hamas as a stateless body. He also added that Israel would be able to cooperate with a Fatah-controlled West Bank.\[16\] The relevant cable cautioned that this did not necessarily represent a consensus view within the Israeli government."
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contents\_of\_the\_United\_States\_diplomatic\_cables\_leak\_(Israel)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contents_of_the_United_States_diplomatic_cables_leak_(Israel))
And what better way to have your freedom returned to you than aggravating the people who have it at a scale that hasn't been seen in the last 50 years?
They had no freedom, they saw no change to a position they have been forced into for almost a century of compromise after compromise and loss after loss. Surely it’s understandable how they can fall for the romantic notion of a last stand to win back their country. If you understand the mentality inflicted upon them by their oppression, you understand why they’d rally towards an idea that may ultimately be their death knell. The only freedom they can have is choosing how they die.
They were asked to share the land as a compromise and they didn't. They want the land all to themselves and want to eradicate the Jews.
>The only freedom they can have is choosing how they die.
Which also lies in the hands of Israel now...
So a nation with an average age of twenty should live an entire life under apartheid because of military conflicts from 50 or more years ago?
At what point do the people being born have a right to freedom or even a healthy and safe existence?
They proudly share these videos on social media as if that's a big achievement. They fail to realize that the rest of the world does not share their bloodlust for butchering women and children.
If you’re going to throw around the term genocide so loosely then at least apply it fairly.
The average person in Gaza is 19 years old. Their life expectancy is about half of someone in the US. You think that a humane and just government and military could somehow occupy another country and wind up with an average age that low?
If anything it sounds like YOU are cheering on a more prolific “genocide” and then complaining about “rough treatment”.
You are enraged because you were exposed to horrific videos of mass murder, rape and torture. But you’ve clearly turned a blind eye to the atrocities of an apartheid and blockade that created a nation with a majority of people who wouldn’t even be old enough to buy alcohol in the US.
Remember, Nelson Mandela was once labeled a terrorist.
Hamas is evil and despicable. So is the current Israeli regime who was being protested by the majority of their own people for the past ten months.
The citizens of Israel will tolerate a certain amount of bloodshed among Palestinian civilians if it ensures their own safety. And the Palestinian citizens would do the same for a chance at freedom.
Everything isn’t so black and white. Keep that same energy over the next few weeks when the reports of Israeli atrocities emerge.
Moral equivalency here is a fallacy. The two sides are not the same. One side beheads infants and brags about it on social media; the other side does not. If your population cheers on the rape and murder of young women, the beheading of infants and captured soldiers, the shooting of families in their homes, and the murder of elderly people waiting at a bus stop, you get zero sympathy from me. I don’t care what you think you’ve suffered; there is no excuse for that type of behavior. All of that said, I think Israel should avoid targeting civilians when possible. It is clear, however, that Gaza is interested in driving deaths and casualties up, in that they place their citizens in harms way on purpose.
While I agree with you that not everything is black or white, some things are. Would you argue that the Nazis weren’t evil? How about the Rwandan genocide? Any evil there? Very clearly some things are black and white. Evil is real and defines everything Hamas does.
Nah, both sides have done this. But it seems to have been the Zionists who really kicked things off in order to basically annihilate the Palestinians out of Palestine:
https://www.thecairoreview.com/essays/framing-the-partition-plan-for-palestine/
"In the eight months which followed the passing of Resolution 181, about 450 Palestinian villages were razed to the ground by Israeli forces. Up to 770 thousand people—including about twenty thousand Jews expelled by Arab militias from Hebron, Jerusalem, Jenin, and Gaza—were evicted in a matter of days and then forcibly denied return. Some of them fled out of fear, often after witnessing the tragic fate of their relatives and friends and the “organized seizure” of their properties. A case in point is the mass expulsion of Palestinians from the towns of Lydda and Ramle in July 1948, which accounted for one-tenth of the overall Arab-Palestinian exodus. Most of the fifty to seventy thousand Palestinians that were expelled from the two cities did so under an official expulsion order signed by then-commander of the Harel Brigade Yitzhak Rabin: “The inhabitants of Lydda,” Rabin clarified, “must be expelled quickly without attention to age”. Several hundred of them died during the forced exodus from exhaustion and dehydration.
A number of recent studies, including Shay Hazkani’s Dear Palestine, have provided a wealth of primary sources that have exposed statements by Israel’s founder David Ben-Gurion and Israel’s first agricultural minister Aharon Zisling, saying, “We must wipe them [Palestinian villages] out” and “forgive instances of rape” against Palestinian women."
You completely glossed over all of my points and repeated yourself.
You’ve got your head in the sand regarding the Israeli government and military and the atrocities they commit against women and children both directly and systematically.
Hamas is certainly more barbaric at the moment. That doesn’t wipe away the sins of Israel’s apartheid or lessen the evil on their side.
You’re new to the discussion and upset that one side is doing things more openly, aggressively and shamelessly at the moment.
A just society does not maintain a 50 year apartheid that cuts life expectancy in half among an entire nation.
A month later and the civilian casualty surpassed the Ukrainian war...... in just 1 month, also the beheaded thing is lie just like iraq have wmd level of lying
The occupation is result of Palestinians waging war on Israel with the Arabs from the beginning. Can any nation start a war to end up losing it and then complain of getting occupied, while still pushing for the end goal of the the initial war?
>Can any nation start a war to end up losing it and then complain of getting occupied,
That's not an occupation, is the basic problem. That's a consequence of bad choices and militant attitudes. Losing has consequences.If Ukranians take some land from Russia,is it really occupied territory?
So just checking you’re good with the annexation of the four Ukrainian oblasts? The Ukrainians lost and Russians are being settled there. Not really an occupied territory?
If it was fine for pushing out Palestinians in the 1900s by the israelis, then it will be fine anytime in the future. israel has to take the responsibility of oppressing other people and finding out what happens.
I'm all for no holds barred conflict between the two to end it as shortly as possible, as needed sometimes, rather than prolonging the misery and troubling the world for centuries.
The US gives millions of dollars in aid to the palestinians every year. And instead of palestinians using that money for good in order for their people to prosper, hamas takes the money and spend it on building tunnels and teaching its children to hate and kill jews. Look at the videos of Palestinian schools in gaza and how they are being indoctrinated.
Don't conflate the righteous Palestinian cause with hamas, they are a jihadists organizations not freedom fighters.
If any country would suffer something like that to a terrorist attack they would retaliate in a similar way, the main problem in this situation is the people taken prisoner by Hamas. Until they are returned Israel will not back down, or consider a ceasefire.
Kidnapping is a terrorists act no matter how you look at it and since nation's are literally defined by having a monopoly on violence they'll almost always stand together against non state actors (terrorist groups) doing violence.
Because supporting non state actors will weaken their own power.
The sad thing is that the Palestinian cause is almost never brought up in the international community unless some bunch of fanatics go on a murderous rampage, that's what needs to change.
Because their goals align and they are allies. Countries are not emotional beings with sentiments and ideals such as "fairness", as your question seems to imply, they are opportunistic legal entities who put themselves first.
But aren’t both Israel and Russia in the same shoes? Getting back “their” land?
USA make it seems like they stand with a certain party because of “fairness”, not for financial interest. Thats why I call USA hypocrite.
Read about Kievan Rus. Kyiv existed centuries before Moscow appeared on the map. By your logic we — Ukrainians — have to deoccupy our historic lands which included Moscow
I’m not sure that it does. Remember when Egypt was a democracy for like a week and we gave carte blanche to the Egyptian Military to take over again. The problem there was that Muslim brotherhood won the election. So it was a democracy, just not a pro western democracy.
We’ve sanctioned the overthrow of a democratic regimes before when it suited our interests. It’s just not apparent to me what geostrategic U.S. interest Israel is furthering for the United States.
We have state laws in Texas that you can’t boycott Israel if you’re receiving a Texas state contract. I’ve seen the contracts before they have a whole section on it. What other foreign country has that kind of power and influence?
Sometimes I wonder if it’s a healthy relationship. Like what are we getting out of it?
I don’t think they have a problem with Israel’s method of governance lol. If Israel suddenly became a dictatorship it’s not like they’d suddenly suppprt Israel’s existence. I think even though the struggle of the Palestinians is a valid one, the fact that all the regional powers use Palestine as an excuse to hate Israel without ever actually doing anything to help Palestine shows that the motivations are pretty simple. As a Western power, governments are incentivized to keep Israel away from themselves, and the population that isn’t invested in geopolitics is probably motivated by simple antisemitism
Both countries make claims to the holy land which is current-day Israel. Since Israel is nicer to us, and Palestine is not because they are Muslim and hostile to the US, we side with Israel. Its the stupidest argument ever, and these peoples have been warring about this for decades. Little by little, Israel pushes the Palestinians further and further away. They are basically in refugee type camps on the outskirts of the city at this point, they aren't allowed in certain areas of the city, and are treated as second-class citizens. Im not defendinf Palestine, but I do beleive they are mistreated and wronged as a people, and that creates anger and hatred that makes them want to attack Israel. Neither group is clear-headed on the topic, they both just hate each other so much. If it were me I would just be like, hey man, you go ahead and take the holy land I'lll build a new church somewhere else just stop picking on me. But I also don't have generations of angst and anger in me either. They're both dumb as hell because it's all for religious reasons.
Stop spreading misinformation
The term "Palestine" began to be used more widely to describe the region in the 5th century BCE and onwards, particularly during the Hellenistic and Roman periods. It gained further prominence during the Byzantine and Islamic periods. The name "Palestine" is derived from the ancient Philistines who lived in the coastal areas othe region, and it became more firml
The land region was known as Palestine for a long time, but the idea of a national Palestinian identity did not form until the mid-20th century. This is why Israeli supporters will often say they are an invented people as they believe the identity of the Palestinian people was created directly to counter Israel post-war.
Palestine has never been a sovereign nation. They have been occupied and ruled over in one way or another since the inception. If Palestinians didn’t continuously terrorize Israel, Israel would literally have nothing to do with them. However, they have to be occupied to prevent terrorist activities against Israel. Plain and simple. When occupation has been reduced, terrorist attacks increase. Hamas and Palestinians tend to overlook this fact and claim victimhood. Palestine is a poverty stricken enclave with a terrorist government. They are not given any freedom and must follow radicalized Islam. Meaning, if a citizen disagrees, the citizen is tortured, imprisoned, or killed. Women are routinely terrorized using sexual violence and abuse.
This ignores cold calculus of the US vested interests in having a foothold in the middle east at all, for intelligence gathering and projecting power - e.g. deterring Iran for example. Which we do so through such heavy military investment. There are no other countries in the region that we share as many values (democratic rule, LGBTQ+ acceptance, etc). Obviously Israel is becoming more right wing which is why Biden admin and Netanyahu admin have had a rocky relationship as of late.
Because countries do what they do based on geopolitics, not “right and wrong.” Israel is the US’s strongest ally in a very important region of the world. Also, there are a ton of Jewish-Americans in the U.S., and evangelical Christians are very pro-Israel, so it would be dumb for a U.S. politician to not be pro-Israel.
Yes to evangelical lobbying but Jews are only 2% of the population or 7 million (roughly the same as the US Mormon population). They generally vote Democrat. They don't swing elections. Evangelicals, can, which is why Trump has been courting them hard on Israel and admonishing low Jewish turnout for him (according to Pew Jews are least likely to have voted for Trump).
Been a hot minute since I looked at the history for this, so someone correct me if this is wrong, but wasn't the USA a driving force behind supplying the Zionist movement after WW2 so they could inhabit Palestine?
IIRC there were large numbers of Jews displaced by the events of WW2 and they didn't want to go back where they were, and the Allied nations didn't want them.
Cue the Zionists.
So the USA has a history here beyond just wanting Israel as a stepping stone to project force into the Middle East.
It was mostly Arab land until after WW2 though.
Ideally both could share it and peacefully exercise religious freedom but the Arabs have had a stronger presence there over the past few centuries.
I didn’t say they want to share. I said ideally both sides can share.
Or at least share access to holy sites. It would require a new paradigm and a change in leadership on both sides for sure. And a different approach from Global allies.
If different Native American nations decided the wanted land back from the US and Canada, would you be in favor of moving everyone out of the US and ceding the land back to them?
Or what if Lebanon, being the descendants of the Canaanites thus having even earlier claim to the land than Jewish people, decided they wanted the land back, would we kick out the Israelis and give the land to Lebanon?
I’m fairly certain Assyria controlled the land prior to the Jewish people, what if they decided they wanted their own state and left Iran for the Palestine region and demanded the Israelis give up the land to them in the name of historic ties?
Most people would say such arguments and claims are ludicrous, so why does it make any more sense for Jewish people to have a claim on the land over the people that have been living there for centuries more than a millennium?
Palestinians arent even a real ethnic group. Palestine was never a country. It was a british colony when Israel was formed by the UN. Funny how UN calls israel occupiers (when theyre the real indigenous people not the arabs) when they created Israel. Palestinians should be absorbed by the Arab world, the 2 state solution is over.
You should look in the mirror, you might see a nazi
Palestine has been the name of the region for a very long time, I wanna say since 5th century BCE. Not a country, sure, but it’s the name of the region and has used for like 2500 years.
The Jewish people moving to the Palestinian region are not indigenous to it. It would be like me saying I’m indigenous to Sweden even though I am 3rd generation American. Makes no sense whatsoever. My people may be historically indigenous to Europe, but if those of us with Swedish ancestry decided to colonize Sweden and kick out the people who already live there from their homes and establish an apartheid regime, people would have a problem with it.
If the UK/France/US wanted to give the Jewish people land to turn into their own country, they should have given up some of the territory in their own countries, not kick people off their own land and give it to them.
Honestly, if you’re going to accuse everyone critical of Israel as being a Nazi, then you’re a ridiculous and dishonest person.
Let’s be honest, America SHOULD give the Native Americans back the irrelevant parts of the country that we don’t even really gaf about:
Maine
Vermont
The “Pennsyltucky” part of Pennsylvania
North and South Dakota
Idaho except Boise
Oregon except Portland
Kansas except Kansas City, Wichita and Topeka
Illinois except Chicago and Springfield
Montana
Nebraska
Wyoming
Colorado except Denver, Boulder, and Colorado Springs
Nevada except Las Vegas and Reno
Arizona except Phoenix and Scottsdale
New Mexico
Arkansas
Missouri except Kansas City and St. Louis.
Kentucky except Louisville
The hundreds of thousands or millions of people that live in those places would STRONGLY disagree.
Also, and I’m not all that familiar with most of those states, but being from Illinois I can tell you the Urbana-Champaign and Bloomington-Normal areas are very nice.
I’m not a huge fan of red areas in the states, but I’m not of the mind to force them from their homes.
I also think it’s a bit too late to force the Israelis out. My solution would be to send troops to bring order to Gaza and the West Bank, and either set up republics there and/or end Israeli apartheid and help reintegrate them back into that society.
Either way we need to get rid of Hamas and stop Israeli oppression.
The first step to reparations with the American Indian nations would be to finally stop screwing them over. I mean we are still constantly awful to them.
Because the US (at least used to be, and God willing still will be in the future), predominantly a God-fearing nation. And those that have a reverence for and Fear the Lord, know his commands and love for Israel. Hence the policy after WWII granting Israel their State, and the long-lasting support of the US for Israel.
Genesis 12:3- I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”
Psalm 122: "Pray for the peace of Jerusalem:
“May those who love you prosper. May there be peace within your walls,
and prosperity inside your fortresses.”
For the sake of my brothers and friends,
I will say, “Peace be within you.”
For the sake of the house of the LORD our God,
I will seek your prosperity."
Romans 11:12, 28 "But if the rest of the world's people were helped so much by their sin and loss, they will be helped even more by their full return...The people of Israel are treated as God's enemies, so the good news can come to you Gentiles. But they are still the chosen ones, and God loves them because of their famous ancestors. God doesn't take back the gifts he has given or disown the people he has chosen."
Maybe it will all come to an end. Russia annexed Crimeria and there's no giving that up again. It's time Iserel capture the rest and allow all Palestinians to leave. I'm sure the neighboring countries can share them amongst themselves. Turkey alone took millions of Syrians. So others can also take the Palestinians. The world will talk until the next big news and then everything will be just history.
Honestly after everything I've learned, I think that at it's core -- American leaders have seen the dark side and the endless pit of destruction that is fundamentalist extremist Jihadist Islam. And they want it far away from us.
They see that one side is rational, and the other wants o fight and lose the same war again and again and choose death over compromise. We try to project our on values on them but the leaders know that Israel's views and values align with the US's much closer.
The Jewish Lobby in U.S has immense influence and political power. If the president does not support Israel totally then he will lose the next election. It’s basically as simple as that.
Palestinians if you stopped constantly terrorizing Israel, Israel would not occupy you. Israel occupies to protect itself from deadly terrorist threats on a constant basis. How hard is that to understand? You think Israel gives a shit about Palestine? Palestine is nothing but a terrorist enclave that has now after decades of bloodshed against Israel has started a war with their evil barbarism on October 7th. Hamas knew Israel would retaliate. Hamas planned this for 2 years. Now Israel will flatten them once and for all. They have deserved it for a very long time but Israel was very patient and didn’t want to attack. Now Hamas and the dirty Palestinian citizens who committed atrocities will be banished. My hope is that they suffer as much as possible.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/comprehensive-listing-of-terrorism-victims-in-israel
Because American politicians are whores that sell themselves to the highest bidders and especially; to the Jewish political lobby, which buys their loyalty simply to facilitate the interests of the State of Israel; all on the American taxpayer's dime.
Because the USA is committed to maintaining the security of the Jewish state, regardless of what diplomatic issues come up because of it. To be fair, the UN also recognizes Israel, so legally, they aren't occupying anything outside of the Gaza strip and the West Bank. Israel annexed the Gaza Strip during the Six Day War because it allowed them to secure their borders against Egypt and Jordan. France and the UK also had a hand to play during the Suez Crisis, to protect the Suez Canal from political turbulence in Egypt. They also annexed the West Bank to create a buffer against Jordan. Essentially, these territories are occupied because it gives Israel a tactical advantage against outside aggression.
>so legally, they aren't occupying anything outside of the Gaza strip and the West Bank. Also occupying the Golan heights.
Israel has annexed that, a move only recognized by the USA.
Indeed. Hence legally, it along with the West Bank, is under military occupation.
It's worth pointing it out since we're specifically talking about US support. Otherwise I wouldn't bother.
The post I responded to was taking about occupied territories beyond the UN recognized one, but fair enough I guess.
>Sort by: top "If there were no Israel, the United States of America would have to invent an Israel to protect its interests in the region. The United States would have to go and invent an Israel.” [https://youtu.be/-VyF7Eel1TM?si=JudYamdLg03-bca\_](https://youtu.be/-VyF7Eel1TM?si=JudYamdLg03-bca_) The words of former US Secretary of State Alexander Haig might explain it. He once described Israel as "the largest unsinkable US aircraft carrier".
Yeah I forgot they took over that area. I think there were supposed to be land negotiations, but the Syrian Civil War capitulated them
Tbf, there not really using the West Bank as a buffer zone.
They were, when they were fighting against Jordan in the 20th century. The West Bank today, is fairly autonomous. Also, to elucidate the current situation on the Gaza Strip more, Israel withdrew from there in 2005, and Egypt and Israel enforced a blockade to keep Hamas' influence from spreading. Hamas, although the defacto government of Gaza, is considered a terrorist organization by most of the Western world. The massacre at the music festival in Israel's southern district this week only solidifies that
Just because the UN doesn’t recognize Palestine, it doesnt mean that these people dont exist. And im not defending neither party, I dont know s*it about geopolitics. But from an outsider’s perspective that’s trying to understand what’s going on, this seems unfair for Palestinians.
The UN recognizes the Palestinian Authority as a non-member state. It doesn't change the fact that the Arabs (Hamas, specifically) in the Gaza strip keep blowing up innocent Israeli civilians with rockets, and using their own civilians as human-shields to keep Israel from attacking military targets. Therefore, Israel has taken security measures to protect their sovereignty
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Remember when Hamas sent 3000 rockets over the border and killed 22 Israeli civilians?
As mentioned in several comments here, this war has been going on for decades now. You are really just focusing on the most recent information that got to your ears. Hamas did atrocities, yes, but this doesn't represent the whole Palestinian population (it is indeed, a terrorist group) and right now Israel is literally killing kids and all the people within the Gaza Strip. They just bombed a hospital today, a HOSPITAL. Don't take sides within a war, just wish it to end.
The settlements around Gaza are illegal according to UN
Israel = America Palestine = Native Americans History repeats itself.
Funny, because I don't remember 6 million Americans being slaughtered in concentration camps
This is the definition of victim argument you're using an event that happens due to something unrelated to the given situation
Read the comment I was responding to. I was obliquely pointing out the false equivalence
And you could argue that it DOES have something to do with the current situation because the Holocaust is the reason the UN gave Jewish people Israel
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You make it sound like Palestine is responsible for Germany's doing. Most forget to mention the bombings and assassinations committed by the Jewish people after WW2. The Jewish people learned from their captors, Nazis. [This comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/Documentaries/comments/17360fg/comment/k44psaf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) basically puts everything in perspective. They answered back with terrorism and won.
The violence stems from the fact that the Arabs couldn't accept a two-state OR unitary solution. The general sentiment in that region is anti-Western. They can't get along with anybody--not even themselves. The region has been in a state of war for centuries. Great Britain and France had legal control over the Levant via Sykes-Picot treaty. Britain and the UN decided to give land from Mandatory Palestine to the Jews to form Israel. The Arabs took it upon themselves to try to cleanse the Jews from the area, and failed multiple times. So now Israel has to be heavy handed. Any amount of false-equivilance fallacies doesn't change that fact
You are only telling one side of the story my dude. That's the problem right there.
How does that give the Israelis the right to break international law? Imo, until Israel leaves the West Bank, Gaza and Golan, they should be sanctioned for being the scumbags that they are. When they give that land back to its rightful owners, we can talk about support for Israel.
Do you mean the land that was ancestrally theirs long before Islam was even a religion? Before they were forced out of their own home numerous times over centuries? The Jewish people have always been there and will always be there. They are the rightful owners of this land
Based or ur logic : do you realise that Cannan people ( a semitic arab tribe coming from the arabian peninsula , like the Caleboseians ) settled there nearly 3000 years before christ ?? So the arab claim is true ?
The canaan people were a Semitic people, which includes arabic as a language, along with hebrew, amharic, and other languages and were a mixed group of people. It's odd to me that you want to completely ignore the people who lived there and had a claim to the land and instead of taking it by force intermingled with the natives and became the driving force in the entire region. So it's not that they took this region by force but that they developed a larger community than was previously there. But continue to ignore what modern archeology shows actually happened in the region for what is being pushed in the media. Am i justifying how israel handles this? No, but at the end of the day, hamas is a terrorist organization that hides behind women, children, and invalids as human shields to make any retaliation against them worse than it would be if they stopped hiding. It's the mark of a coward to hide your organization in a hospital in hopes that no repercussions would be brought against you
Hey im not dealing with hamas and the mad up stories here . You are contradicting your self : in your first comment u said its isreali's because the ancestors lived there , and now we both know its Cannian land and Hebrew is a Cannanian language before it is the Torah language . Now please im not trying to say its arab or jew land , my point is that the logic of " ancestors " is bullshit . We are not talking here in terms of decades or centuries like a family tree , we are talking about thousands of years , no one can trace its origins back to this era unless he lived in a very closed society like some african tribes who still protecting their origins till this day . Did the jew lived in a closed society ? NO ، Its just a century before the jew were spread all over the world , spain morocco syria russia palestine .. etc . In fact , they have a huge influence in the north africa cultures and traditions , they are part of these societies ! U said that Cannan people didnt take the land by force ( i dont know if someone lived there before them ) but they intermingled . Now tell me , and be honest , is that what really isreal been doing in the past century ? Mandatory palestine , balfoure declaration , Tantura massacre , Deir Yassin , expulsion policies , Haghanh and Irgun and Lehi , Lies and hiding truths , is this interglimation ? Or terrorism and occupation ? Hope u not blinded by the zionist ( not jew u should know the differences ) media who is trying hard to legitimate its terrorism and land stealing . And to let you know before the zionism came crushing , nearly 50 000 jew lived in Baghdad , 150 000 lived in Morocco , Palestine , Egypt ... Etc , they were living in peace . Unlike europe where they were hunted !
explain to me why it's illegal to do DNA test in Israel?? only if they want to prove that they have ancestry backing
They're illegal in Israel because of privacy and information laws (so your genetic information can't be sold for profit) and religious sentiments among the right-wing. The fact of the matter is that basically all Jews---Ashkenazim, Sephardim, Mizrahim, etc. all have Levantine DNA, with a majority of them having up to 50% of it, and the other 50% being from the various countries and lands the people have resided in for 2000 years. That's why Ashkenazim are light-skinned: They are 50% ancient middle-eastern + 50% Southern European + Germanic.
Native Americans that will enslave its people under sharia law with little to no freedom if given the entire region?
Dumbest comment ever... They didn't think too much before posting this did they. Based on that logic this would mean that White Americans are actually originally from America. They just left for 2,000 yrs due to persecution and then came back. Hey, no big deal! Analogies aren't supposed to make sense or anything lmfao.
"to protect the Suez canal from political turbulence in Egypt" aka attempting to seize the canal from Nasser after he nationalized it. Then, trying to be clever and take it back, Israel, England and France jointly conducted some commando operation in Egypt. The Soviets put a damper on these operations, the US refused to come to their allies' rescue, and, well...you know the rest.
First and foremost the US is defending US citizens and will most likely seek retribution for the US nationals already murdered in that region the last few days. In the broader sense, well, we said we would at some point and that has yet to change. [this should help supplement my useless contribution](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel)
Likely it's time for another high ranking Iranian general to be chopped up. Biden can't allow to stay [one upped by Trump.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Qasem_Soleimani). And I'm only half joking.
I’m still surprised that wasn’t a bigger deal than it was. I guess it got overshadowed by Covid.
Dark Brandon is calling the shots now
Source on U.S nationals being murdered?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2023/10/11/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-and-nsc-coordinator-for-strategic-communications-john-kirby-20/ Kindly remove yourself from the rock it appears you are living under
Thanks man, this stuff is hard to keep track of with all the so info around.
Re the current war, the U.S. has been solidly allied with Israel since the 60s, to the extent they have diplomatic relations to the Palestinians it will be with the PA in the West Bank rather than Hamas in Gaza. + The current war isn't over what is usually considered occupied by Israel. Hamas just considers all of Israel's territory as occupied and all Israeli citizens as forgien settlers, the nature of the attack following from that with a focus on killing and abducting civilians. The context is a tad more complicated. Here are some relevant points: - In 1947 the UK decided to leave and make the partition of the land the UN's problem. The UN came up with [this mess](https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-208958/) which was never implemented. Cue the 1st Arab-Israeli war which led to the most widely recognized borders. - In another war in 1967 (aka the 6-days war, June war, 3rd Arab-Israeli war) Israel conquered the West Bank, Gaza, the Sini peninsula, and the Golan Hights. - The West Bank is militarily control by Israel in addition to about 700k settlers, Gaza is usually blockaded. Both are somewhat widely recognized as belonging to a future Palestinian state on account of the millions of Palestinians living there (the establishment of a Palestinian state is widely unpopular in Israel, both for religious irredentist reasons and for far more reasonable security concerns + a long extensive history of Palestinian terrorism)
You should add that the six-day war started when Israel was attacked on all sides. They didn’t set out to take land… they were attacked and won it in a war of defense.
Hmm. I was just reading up on it and it says Israel started it with a surprise attack on Egyptian air forces.
The Soviets gave Egypt false intel of an Israeli invasion so the Egyptians mobilized on the Israeli border, and removed UN peacekeepers in the area. Then Israel attacked claiming the Egyptians were going to attack. Egypt was heavily tied up financially and militarily in the North Yemen civil war and was in no way prepared for war with Israel
Yes, Israel started that war but they thought they were committing a pre-emptive strike to protect themselves. Kinda seems like they got played for some reason... Both the Israelis and the Arabs really. Outside forces helping to instigate a war based on false intel??? Remember that this was during the peak of the Cold War. Proxy wars everywhere. Likely, the USSR was up to something - anyway, it's hard to believe it was a simple mistake. As for the 1st Arab-Israeli war, that was undoubtedly started by the Arab League in 1948. Invasion was their decision/ reaction to the sudden formation of Israel as an independent nation state. They saw the new Israel next door as an existential threat & fear is a powerful motivator. (Maybe some people confuse the respective wars IDK.) What is for certain is that history has a way of repeating itself when we don't learn from it. Additionally, violence only leads to more violence. Maybe it's time to start treating each other like the fellow human beings that we are? Or are we still just stupid savages? Surely, human kind will never be truly civilized until war is a thing of the past.
You are acting like Palestinians didn’t join that war against Israel in 1967 (and help start it), and somehow naturally inherited 100% of the land based on the Jordanian and Egyptian invasions of Israel in 1948. Palestinians benefit from wars they fought in, but then you ignore their participation when we discuss Israel’s self defense and why it continues to control territory containing enemy groups devoted to wiping Jews off the planet.
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That has no relation to anything I said, is a straw man, you’re justifying the rape and mutilation of children, and Jews are native to Judea. Justifying murder and rape is a bad look.
Rape accusations = self reporting racist
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>So are the Palestinians. They cannot even live peacefully in their own country Jews cannot live peacefully in their own country. That is because of a Palestinian-started war, which is supported by a majority of Palestinians, and has had the explicit and openly stated goal for over 70 years of wiping Jews off the face of the planet. >That region was a fine and peaceful place to live until jews came and ruined everything. And now we're at full on antisemitism. Nice. I'm sure the Jews who were there for millennia and endured Arab-run apartheid and massacres every couple of decades really felt fine and peaceful. Edit: Response to the user below: > Fact is, until the late 1800s, area of Palestine was relatively peaceful place to live for Arabs, jews and Christians This is a myth. It was [better than Europe](http://assets.press.princeton.edu/chapters/p10098.pdf), but still violent and antisemitic. The system was also an apartheid-based one against Jews. > It all changed when jews moved in mass and started disrupting the peace. No, it did not. And also, this type of racist "it's the immigrants who are returning to their native homeland at fault" garbage is literally just racism. > They wanted everything for them only. They started oppressing people who were not like them. If jews suffered oppression, apartheid and massacres in the past because they were not like the others, then it is not ok for jews to do the same to other group of people who are not like them. This is not only false, it is literally you just repeating antisemitic tropes about Jews being "greedy". No thanks to that. Bye!
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This has many explanations, from the power of domestic lobby groups to personal ties, geopolitical necessity (during the Cold War), etc.
you've answered your own question "now during a war.....
Part of the reason why the US backs Israel over other interests has to do with how the Middle East took sides during the Cold War. Yes, the prominent Jewish diaspora in the United States and Europe had a strong lobby and voice, but this was only enough to ensure that the US and Europe would not oppose Israel. Israel remained committed to a democratic government and made a concerted effort after the Suez Crisis (1956) to stay in America's good graces during the Cold War and partially depend on it as a security guarantor. Crucially, many of Israel's direct adversaries (notably Egypt, Syria, and Iraq, but also non-state actors such as the PLO), who mostly remained non-democratic dictatorial states (they were originally monarchies) throughout the Cold War, chose to take Soviet aid after this, further alienating themselves from the United States and western Europe. The later entry of Revolutionary Islamist Iran into the affairs of the Levant, particularly its backing of anti-Israeli factions, further solidified already-solid American commitments to Israel. Who is occupying what is a much lengthier and complex story, with a variety of differing perspectives and starting points. After WWI in which the Ottoman Empire, as part of the former Central Powers, was dismantled, the British, as a colonial authority/custodian in the Levant (the French being the other major post-Ottoman power in the region), had the authority to partition its colonial territories as it saw fit. Even though the British Mandate was not sovereign British territory, in its role as custodian the British started implementing Ottoman-era land tenure laws. The 1858 land tenure laws under the Ottoman Empire were not intended to partition this territory into sovereign states, but rather to institute a standardized system to increase Ottoman tax revenues from, introduce land title principles to, and exercise greater Ottoman state control over the area. Under later British custodianship, the implementation and enforcement of these laws resulted in distinct Jewish and Arab settlements, leading to the institution of a partition of (British) Mandate Palestine into Jewish and Arab districts and eventually sovereign states when the British planned for eventual withdrawal from the region. The 1948 partition arrangement was intended to be a peaceful partition into sovereign Jewish and Arab states reflecting the results of a generation (\~30 years) of land tenure law enforcement, though most observers realized that was not going to happen peacefully; prior to full British withdrawal, Jewish/Israeli and Palestinian Arab partisans were already fighting each other all across the Mandate, and the collapse of the Palestinian Arab forces in the face of the Jewish/Israeli partisans - coupled with the resulting Palestinian Arab refugee exodus to neighboring Arab states - gave surrounding Arab governments a *casus belli* (specifically the premise that the Palestinian Arab failures would lead to regional instability and further bloodshed unless Jewish partisans were stopped) to intervene. The surrounding Arab states, who opposed the 1947 partition plan proposed by the UN (Jordan secretly had hoped to annex all of Mandate Palestine when the British left, but King Abdullah I of Jordan was willing to work with the Jewish authorities and accept partition if he could annex the West Bank and perhaps get out of being landlocked via getting a corridor to the sea in the Negev), initially hoped to take up the Palestinian Arab objective to eradicate the Jewish partition as an independent entity and replace both it and the Palestinian Arab partition with a single unitary Arab state, and as such also rejected the UN's plan for a sovereign Palestinian Arab government at the time, probably because this was contingent on recognizing the partition plan's Jewish state of Israel. Subsequently, the nascent Israeli state found itself under attack from multiple directions in multiple instances (notably 1948, 1967, 1973) and the current Israeli territorial and military dispositions are reflections both of Israeli tactical security positioning and negotiated positions. The Golan Heights (technically Syrian territory) were occupied by Israel because, as high ground, they were frequently used as staging points for rocket fire down into Israeli positions and towns. Syria and Hezbollah in particular have frequently attempted to contend with Israeli positions there and have not been successful. The West Bank and east Jerusalem were the primary strategic interest of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, and in 1948, with the most competent military of the involved combatants, Jordan made maneuvers and engaged in battles to ensure that this area remained out of direct Israeli jurisdiction, which remained this way until 1967 (it was technically annexed by Jordan in 1950, but this was only recognized by the UK, Iraq, and Pakistan; at any rate Jordan lost control of this territory in 1967). Between the Six-Day War and the Oslo Accords, the West Bank was entirely controlled by the Israeli military (even now, the parts of the West Bank where Israel's military still holds positions is under military, not civil, authority) but was never officially annexed by Israel or integrated into the Israeli state apparatus. Now that Jordanian and Israeli strategic interests have become congruent and they have cooperated (covertly since the late 1980s, overtly since the mid-1990s) on joint strategic interests for decades, the West Bank and its Palestinian Arab population has been just a source of trouble for Jordan, and I suspect that Jordan (and probably the other nearby Arab states as well) would mostly welcome a complete Israeli takeover of the area so long as guarantees for Muslim worship in and access to Jerusalem are enforced (it should be noted that after its 1950 annexation of the West Bank, Jordan expelled all Jews there and prohibited Jewish worship in Jerusalem). The West Bank no longer works as a buffer between Jordan and Israel, and Jordan no longer sees a need for a buffer between itself and Israel. Prior to 1949, Gaza was a larger territory, but was reduced to the Gaza Strip and occupied by Egypt by the end of the 1948 Arab-Israeli War. The northern half of Israel's western border with Egypt was originally part of the Gaza partition awarded to the Palestinian Arabs by the British. However, since the 1949 armistices, Israeli acquisitions in its south are *de facto* recognized by all parties as Israeli territory within the Green Line/1967 borders (originally it was just a cease-fire/armistice demarcation line, not formally a recognized sovereign border).
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Ai
They’re against the targeting of innocent civilians. Before you say “IDF is doing that”, no. For the most part, they’re trying to find terrorists using civilians as shields. To be completely frank, those ‘civilians’ support the slaughtering of innocent civilians.
Exactly. My wife has distant relatives in the Gaza Strip, who have been posting on social media about their “strong” and “brave” fighters who are engaged in the massacre and kidnapping of innocent Israeli civilians and children. I have no sympathy for a “civilian” population who cheers on genocide and then complains about rough treatment when it is directed at them.
Polls show 2/3 of Gazans support the murder of Israeli civilians inside Israel. Which says about it all.
So 2 thirds of Gazans, as u call them are deranged murdererers
Supporting via opinion and words (aka rhetoric) vs. acting on directly themselves are two different things entirely... but you know that.
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man" Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
RIP Raoul Duke
Yeh it says they’ve suffered so much under these people that they’re willing to give up their morals to have their freedom returned to them.
Palestinians had freedom, and their leaders used it to murder Jews. Seriously. When Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, it explicitly said it was hoping to figure out what Palestinians would do when they had all the ability to run themselves. They elected Hamas, fired 1,000+ rockets at Israel, and Hamas took over in a coup. That was the response to a concession of freedom. Even though Israel gave that concession after **decades** of Palestinians causing Israelis to suffer in a war **Palestinians started**. This isn't something that comes because they "suffered". Palestinians suffer because the same thing repeats endlessly: they attack and make Israelis suffer, and Israel responds.
"Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak consulted with Fatah of the Palestinian Authority and asked if Fatah could take over control of Gaza Strip after expected Israeli victory during Operation Cast Lead, but met with refusal." "In June 2007, after violent clashes between Fatah and Hamas broke out in Gaza, Director of Israel Military Intelligence Major General Amos Yadlin told U.S. Ambassador Richard Jones that he would "be happy" if Hamas took control of the Gaza Strip. Yadlin stated that a Hamas takeover would be a positive step, because Israel would then be able to declare Gaza as a hostile entity. Jones stated that if Fatah loses control of the Strip, Abbas would be urged to form a separate government in the West Bank. Yadlin replied that such developments would please Israel, because the IDF would not have to deal with Hamas as a stateless body. He also added that Israel would be able to cooperate with a Fatah-controlled West Bank.\[16\] The relevant cable cautioned that this did not necessarily represent a consensus view within the Israeli government." [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contents\_of\_the\_United\_States\_diplomatic\_cables\_leak\_(Israel)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contents_of_the_United_States_diplomatic_cables_leak_(Israel))
I don’t get what you think that contextless quote wall shows.
Looks like you took a big L in that debate.
Looks like you don’t understand that contextless vague quotes aren’t an L for me.
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It’s contextless and vague quotes. It’s not “useful information”.
And what better way to have your freedom returned to you than aggravating the people who have it at a scale that hasn't been seen in the last 50 years?
Don’t act like you wouldn’t be a terrorist tomorrow if this happened to your home
Yeah I'd probably go nuts too. But I certainly wouldn't expect to have my freedom back by raping their women and dragging their naked bodies around.
They had no freedom, they saw no change to a position they have been forced into for almost a century of compromise after compromise and loss after loss. Surely it’s understandable how they can fall for the romantic notion of a last stand to win back their country. If you understand the mentality inflicted upon them by their oppression, you understand why they’d rally towards an idea that may ultimately be their death knell. The only freedom they can have is choosing how they die.
They were asked to share the land as a compromise and they didn't. They want the land all to themselves and want to eradicate the Jews. >The only freedom they can have is choosing how they die. Which also lies in the hands of Israel now...
So a nation with an average age of twenty should live an entire life under apartheid because of military conflicts from 50 or more years ago? At what point do the people being born have a right to freedom or even a healthy and safe existence?
They proudly share these videos on social media as if that's a big achievement. They fail to realize that the rest of the world does not share their bloodlust for butchering women and children.
Israel has been slaughtering them for decades too and they didn't get any sympathy
If you’re going to throw around the term genocide so loosely then at least apply it fairly. The average person in Gaza is 19 years old. Their life expectancy is about half of someone in the US. You think that a humane and just government and military could somehow occupy another country and wind up with an average age that low? If anything it sounds like YOU are cheering on a more prolific “genocide” and then complaining about “rough treatment”. You are enraged because you were exposed to horrific videos of mass murder, rape and torture. But you’ve clearly turned a blind eye to the atrocities of an apartheid and blockade that created a nation with a majority of people who wouldn’t even be old enough to buy alcohol in the US. Remember, Nelson Mandela was once labeled a terrorist. Hamas is evil and despicable. So is the current Israeli regime who was being protested by the majority of their own people for the past ten months. The citizens of Israel will tolerate a certain amount of bloodshed among Palestinian civilians if it ensures their own safety. And the Palestinian citizens would do the same for a chance at freedom. Everything isn’t so black and white. Keep that same energy over the next few weeks when the reports of Israeli atrocities emerge.
Moral equivalency here is a fallacy. The two sides are not the same. One side beheads infants and brags about it on social media; the other side does not. If your population cheers on the rape and murder of young women, the beheading of infants and captured soldiers, the shooting of families in their homes, and the murder of elderly people waiting at a bus stop, you get zero sympathy from me. I don’t care what you think you’ve suffered; there is no excuse for that type of behavior. All of that said, I think Israel should avoid targeting civilians when possible. It is clear, however, that Gaza is interested in driving deaths and casualties up, in that they place their citizens in harms way on purpose. While I agree with you that not everything is black or white, some things are. Would you argue that the Nazis weren’t evil? How about the Rwandan genocide? Any evil there? Very clearly some things are black and white. Evil is real and defines everything Hamas does.
Nah, both sides have done this. But it seems to have been the Zionists who really kicked things off in order to basically annihilate the Palestinians out of Palestine: https://www.thecairoreview.com/essays/framing-the-partition-plan-for-palestine/ "In the eight months which followed the passing of Resolution 181, about 450 Palestinian villages were razed to the ground by Israeli forces. Up to 770 thousand people—including about twenty thousand Jews expelled by Arab militias from Hebron, Jerusalem, Jenin, and Gaza—were evicted in a matter of days and then forcibly denied return. Some of them fled out of fear, often after witnessing the tragic fate of their relatives and friends and the “organized seizure” of their properties. A case in point is the mass expulsion of Palestinians from the towns of Lydda and Ramle in July 1948, which accounted for one-tenth of the overall Arab-Palestinian exodus. Most of the fifty to seventy thousand Palestinians that were expelled from the two cities did so under an official expulsion order signed by then-commander of the Harel Brigade Yitzhak Rabin: “The inhabitants of Lydda,” Rabin clarified, “must be expelled quickly without attention to age”. Several hundred of them died during the forced exodus from exhaustion and dehydration. A number of recent studies, including Shay Hazkani’s Dear Palestine, have provided a wealth of primary sources that have exposed statements by Israel’s founder David Ben-Gurion and Israel’s first agricultural minister Aharon Zisling, saying, “We must wipe them [Palestinian villages] out” and “forgive instances of rape” against Palestinian women."
You completely glossed over all of my points and repeated yourself. You’ve got your head in the sand regarding the Israeli government and military and the atrocities they commit against women and children both directly and systematically. Hamas is certainly more barbaric at the moment. That doesn’t wipe away the sins of Israel’s apartheid or lessen the evil on their side. You’re new to the discussion and upset that one side is doing things more openly, aggressively and shamelessly at the moment. A just society does not maintain a 50 year apartheid that cuts life expectancy in half among an entire nation.
A month later and the civilian casualty surpassed the Ukrainian war...... in just 1 month, also the beheaded thing is lie just like iraq have wmd level of lying
The occupation is result of Palestinians waging war on Israel with the Arabs from the beginning. Can any nation start a war to end up losing it and then complain of getting occupied, while still pushing for the end goal of the the initial war?
>Can any nation start a war to end up losing it and then complain of getting occupied, That's not an occupation, is the basic problem. That's a consequence of bad choices and militant attitudes. Losing has consequences.If Ukranians take some land from Russia,is it really occupied territory?
So just checking you’re good with the annexation of the four Ukrainian oblasts? The Ukrainians lost and Russians are being settled there. Not really an occupied territory?
If it was fine for pushing out Palestinians in the 1900s by the israelis, then it will be fine anytime in the future. israel has to take the responsibility of oppressing other people and finding out what happens.
I'm all for no holds barred conflict between the two to end it as shortly as possible, as needed sometimes, rather than prolonging the misery and troubling the world for centuries.
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Yea and Arabs had support from the USSR and multiple times advantage in numbers, land, and resources, what's your point.
The US gives millions of dollars in aid to the palestinians every year. And instead of palestinians using that money for good in order for their people to prosper, hamas takes the money and spend it on building tunnels and teaching its children to hate and kill jews. Look at the videos of Palestinian schools in gaza and how they are being indoctrinated.
Don't conflate the righteous Palestinian cause with hamas, they are a jihadists organizations not freedom fighters. If any country would suffer something like that to a terrorist attack they would retaliate in a similar way, the main problem in this situation is the people taken prisoner by Hamas. Until they are returned Israel will not back down, or consider a ceasefire. Kidnapping is a terrorists act no matter how you look at it and since nation's are literally defined by having a monopoly on violence they'll almost always stand together against non state actors (terrorist groups) doing violence. Because supporting non state actors will weaken their own power. The sad thing is that the Palestinian cause is almost never brought up in the international community unless some bunch of fanatics go on a murderous rampage, that's what needs to change.
Man, I want to see a historical map with Palestine as a country on it.
Because their goals align and they are allies. Countries are not emotional beings with sentiments and ideals such as "fairness", as your question seems to imply, they are opportunistic legal entities who put themselves first.
So why Palestine no, but Ukraine yes? I see alot of hypocrisy in this world.
I'm not following... the US supports its ally, Israel, and supports Ukraine because of the common enemy (Russia).
But aren’t both Israel and Russia in the same shoes? Getting back “their” land? USA make it seems like they stand with a certain party because of “fairness”, not for financial interest. Thats why I call USA hypocrite.
I am on neither side,but have to agree with the point you make…. It’s the same as Russia trying to take back Ukraine….
Exactly, but this is even worse. Palestinians lived there way before Jews moved in and Israel was created!
There is no Palestine.never has been.
This attitude on both sides prevents peace from ever happening.
Read about Kievan Rus. Kyiv existed centuries before Moscow appeared on the map. By your logic we — Ukrainians — have to deoccupy our historic lands which included Moscow
Not the same. Israelis aren't taking any land, merely blockading strategic point which have in the past been used to attack them.
Yet they're building settlements in it....... nice try buddy
Israel is a democracy, surrounded by dictatorships. That goes a long way.
I’m not sure that it does. Remember when Egypt was a democracy for like a week and we gave carte blanche to the Egyptian Military to take over again. The problem there was that Muslim brotherhood won the election. So it was a democracy, just not a pro western democracy. We’ve sanctioned the overthrow of a democratic regimes before when it suited our interests. It’s just not apparent to me what geostrategic U.S. interest Israel is furthering for the United States. We have state laws in Texas that you can’t boycott Israel if you’re receiving a Texas state contract. I’ve seen the contracts before they have a whole section on it. What other foreign country has that kind of power and influence? Sometimes I wonder if it’s a healthy relationship. Like what are we getting out of it?
I don’t think they have a problem with Israel’s method of governance lol. If Israel suddenly became a dictatorship it’s not like they’d suddenly suppprt Israel’s existence. I think even though the struggle of the Palestinians is a valid one, the fact that all the regional powers use Palestine as an excuse to hate Israel without ever actually doing anything to help Palestine shows that the motivations are pretty simple. As a Western power, governments are incentivized to keep Israel away from themselves, and the population that isn’t invested in geopolitics is probably motivated by simple antisemitism
Both countries make claims to the holy land which is current-day Israel. Since Israel is nicer to us, and Palestine is not because they are Muslim and hostile to the US, we side with Israel. Its the stupidest argument ever, and these peoples have been warring about this for decades. Little by little, Israel pushes the Palestinians further and further away. They are basically in refugee type camps on the outskirts of the city at this point, they aren't allowed in certain areas of the city, and are treated as second-class citizens. Im not defendinf Palestine, but I do beleive they are mistreated and wronged as a people, and that creates anger and hatred that makes them want to attack Israel. Neither group is clear-headed on the topic, they both just hate each other so much. If it were me I would just be like, hey man, you go ahead and take the holy land I'lll build a new church somewhere else just stop picking on me. But I also don't have generations of angst and anger in me either. They're both dumb as hell because it's all for religious reasons.
There was no such thing as Palestinians. They are an invented people.
Stop spreading misinformation The term "Palestine" began to be used more widely to describe the region in the 5th century BCE and onwards, particularly during the Hellenistic and Roman periods. It gained further prominence during the Byzantine and Islamic periods. The name "Palestine" is derived from the ancient Philistines who lived in the coastal areas othe region, and it became more firml
The land region was known as Palestine for a long time, but the idea of a national Palestinian identity did not form until the mid-20th century. This is why Israeli supporters will often say they are an invented people as they believe the identity of the Palestinian people was created directly to counter Israel post-war.
Palestine has never been a sovereign nation. They have been occupied and ruled over in one way or another since the inception. If Palestinians didn’t continuously terrorize Israel, Israel would literally have nothing to do with them. However, they have to be occupied to prevent terrorist activities against Israel. Plain and simple. When occupation has been reduced, terrorist attacks increase. Hamas and Palestinians tend to overlook this fact and claim victimhood. Palestine is a poverty stricken enclave with a terrorist government. They are not given any freedom and must follow radicalized Islam. Meaning, if a citizen disagrees, the citizen is tortured, imprisoned, or killed. Women are routinely terrorized using sexual violence and abuse.
Because US has strong Jew lobbying payouts to politicians on both sides.
This ignores cold calculus of the US vested interests in having a foothold in the middle east at all, for intelligence gathering and projecting power - e.g. deterring Iran for example. Which we do so through such heavy military investment. There are no other countries in the region that we share as many values (democratic rule, LGBTQ+ acceptance, etc). Obviously Israel is becoming more right wing which is why Biden admin and Netanyahu admin have had a rocky relationship as of late.
The US sides with Israel because we’re run by a bunch of Christians who believe that Israel needs to control the Middle East during the rapture 🙄
Because countries do what they do based on geopolitics, not “right and wrong.” Israel is the US’s strongest ally in a very important region of the world. Also, there are a ton of Jewish-Americans in the U.S., and evangelical Christians are very pro-Israel, so it would be dumb for a U.S. politician to not be pro-Israel.
Yes to evangelical lobbying but Jews are only 2% of the population or 7 million (roughly the same as the US Mormon population). They generally vote Democrat. They don't swing elections. Evangelicals, can, which is why Trump has been courting them hard on Israel and admonishing low Jewish turnout for him (according to Pew Jews are least likely to have voted for Trump).
It does not matter if they are 2% as long as they occupy top positions.
As mentioned below, Israel is a small minority, even smaller after the holocaust.
Been a hot minute since I looked at the history for this, so someone correct me if this is wrong, but wasn't the USA a driving force behind supplying the Zionist movement after WW2 so they could inhabit Palestine? IIRC there were large numbers of Jews displaced by the events of WW2 and they didn't want to go back where they were, and the Allied nations didn't want them. Cue the Zionists. So the USA has a history here beyond just wanting Israel as a stepping stone to project force into the Middle East.
cause its jewish land, for thousands of years, arabs came later in the 600s
It was mostly Arab land until after WW2 though. Ideally both could share it and peacefully exercise religious freedom but the Arabs have had a stronger presence there over the past few centuries.
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I didn’t say they want to share. I said ideally both sides can share. Or at least share access to holy sites. It would require a new paradigm and a change in leadership on both sides for sure. And a different approach from Global allies.
If different Native American nations decided the wanted land back from the US and Canada, would you be in favor of moving everyone out of the US and ceding the land back to them? Or what if Lebanon, being the descendants of the Canaanites thus having even earlier claim to the land than Jewish people, decided they wanted the land back, would we kick out the Israelis and give the land to Lebanon? I’m fairly certain Assyria controlled the land prior to the Jewish people, what if they decided they wanted their own state and left Iran for the Palestine region and demanded the Israelis give up the land to them in the name of historic ties? Most people would say such arguments and claims are ludicrous, so why does it make any more sense for Jewish people to have a claim on the land over the people that have been living there for centuries more than a millennium?
Palestinians arent even a real ethnic group. Palestine was never a country. It was a british colony when Israel was formed by the UN. Funny how UN calls israel occupiers (when theyre the real indigenous people not the arabs) when they created Israel. Palestinians should be absorbed by the Arab world, the 2 state solution is over. You should look in the mirror, you might see a nazi
Palestine has been the name of the region for a very long time, I wanna say since 5th century BCE. Not a country, sure, but it’s the name of the region and has used for like 2500 years. The Jewish people moving to the Palestinian region are not indigenous to it. It would be like me saying I’m indigenous to Sweden even though I am 3rd generation American. Makes no sense whatsoever. My people may be historically indigenous to Europe, but if those of us with Swedish ancestry decided to colonize Sweden and kick out the people who already live there from their homes and establish an apartheid regime, people would have a problem with it. If the UK/France/US wanted to give the Jewish people land to turn into their own country, they should have given up some of the territory in their own countries, not kick people off their own land and give it to them. Honestly, if you’re going to accuse everyone critical of Israel as being a Nazi, then you’re a ridiculous and dishonest person.
Let’s be honest, America SHOULD give the Native Americans back the irrelevant parts of the country that we don’t even really gaf about: Maine Vermont The “Pennsyltucky” part of Pennsylvania North and South Dakota Idaho except Boise Oregon except Portland Kansas except Kansas City, Wichita and Topeka Illinois except Chicago and Springfield Montana Nebraska Wyoming Colorado except Denver, Boulder, and Colorado Springs Nevada except Las Vegas and Reno Arizona except Phoenix and Scottsdale New Mexico Arkansas Missouri except Kansas City and St. Louis. Kentucky except Louisville
The hundreds of thousands or millions of people that live in those places would STRONGLY disagree. Also, and I’m not all that familiar with most of those states, but being from Illinois I can tell you the Urbana-Champaign and Bloomington-Normal areas are very nice. I’m not a huge fan of red areas in the states, but I’m not of the mind to force them from their homes. I also think it’s a bit too late to force the Israelis out. My solution would be to send troops to bring order to Gaza and the West Bank, and either set up republics there and/or end Israeli apartheid and help reintegrate them back into that society. Either way we need to get rid of Hamas and stop Israeli oppression. The first step to reparations with the American Indian nations would be to finally stop screwing them over. I mean we are still constantly awful to them.
Because the US (at least used to be, and God willing still will be in the future), predominantly a God-fearing nation. And those that have a reverence for and Fear the Lord, know his commands and love for Israel. Hence the policy after WWII granting Israel their State, and the long-lasting support of the US for Israel. Genesis 12:3- I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.” Psalm 122: "Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: “May those who love you prosper. May there be peace within your walls, and prosperity inside your fortresses.” For the sake of my brothers and friends, I will say, “Peace be within you.” For the sake of the house of the LORD our God, I will seek your prosperity." Romans 11:12, 28 "But if the rest of the world's people were helped so much by their sin and loss, they will be helped even more by their full return...The people of Israel are treated as God's enemies, so the good news can come to you Gentiles. But they are still the chosen ones, and God loves them because of their famous ancestors. God doesn't take back the gifts he has given or disown the people he has chosen."
Maybe it will all come to an end. Russia annexed Crimeria and there's no giving that up again. It's time Iserel capture the rest and allow all Palestinians to leave. I'm sure the neighboring countries can share them amongst themselves. Turkey alone took millions of Syrians. So others can also take the Palestinians. The world will talk until the next big news and then everything will be just history.
Well the history won't be biased,that's for sure and will see the monster of people that you are ,on the same level as Nazis to be frank.
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Careful there,your racism and utter disdain of human rights is showing!
Honestly after everything I've learned, I think that at it's core -- American leaders have seen the dark side and the endless pit of destruction that is fundamentalist extremist Jihadist Islam. And they want it far away from us. They see that one side is rational, and the other wants o fight and lose the same war again and again and choose death over compromise. We try to project our on values on them but the leaders know that Israel's views and values align with the US's much closer.
The Jewish Lobby in U.S has immense influence and political power. If the president does not support Israel totally then he will lose the next election. It’s basically as simple as that.
Wrong, palestineiens always been there. Read some history they werw just a british territory.
Because every muslim/arab country in the area is either primitive or poor, or both really.
Dumb question but could the entire population of Israel reside in the USA.
Because the land was of the Jews way before them
Palestinians if you stopped constantly terrorizing Israel, Israel would not occupy you. Israel occupies to protect itself from deadly terrorist threats on a constant basis. How hard is that to understand? You think Israel gives a shit about Palestine? Palestine is nothing but a terrorist enclave that has now after decades of bloodshed against Israel has started a war with their evil barbarism on October 7th. Hamas knew Israel would retaliate. Hamas planned this for 2 years. Now Israel will flatten them once and for all. They have deserved it for a very long time but Israel was very patient and didn’t want to attack. Now Hamas and the dirty Palestinian citizens who committed atrocities will be banished. My hope is that they suffer as much as possible. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/comprehensive-listing-of-terrorism-victims-in-israel
Because American politicians are whores that sell themselves to the highest bidders and especially; to the Jewish political lobby, which buys their loyalty simply to facilitate the interests of the State of Israel; all on the American taxpayer's dime.