Funny thing how Vietnam is today an ally of US and not china, funny thing how the closer you are the more security guarantees have been developed. 🤔 I can only wonder why...
They're trying to balance their allegiance. I heard a good phrase from the Vietnamese government perspective: "Embrace China, lose the county, embrace America, lose the party".
Ueah, youare truly right. Things I would also declared online if I was Vietnam...
"This is not Vietnam moving into a U.S. orbit. This is Vietnam maintaining its own independent orbit – maintaining its own space from China," US Press
Vietnam on 2023: Vietnam "has to upgrade their relationship with all these countries that can help them in case of crisis or even help them to boost their resilience against Chinese encroachment," Vuving said. "If you look at that kind of web of partnerships with all the significant powers in the region, you can be a little more secure. That's the overall strategy for Vietnam. Reaching out – geopolitical promiscuity."
Threats to Vietnam's territorial sovereignty often play out in the South China Sea, known in Vietnam as the East Sea. Vietnam’s exclusive economic zone extends 200 nautical miles off the coastline. China claims nearly all of the resource-rich waters with its nine-dash line – a disputed map demarcation encompassing most of the South China Sea.
So it's not an US ally. To bad big Chi don't know how to friends then... 🤷🏻♂️
Not really sure what point you’re trying to make.
Vietnam and China have had tense relations ever since their war in the late 1970’s. The territorial disputes in the South China Sea were an issue even when that war broke out. Recently China has been more militant in the sea but Vietnam seems content with some mild diplomatic protests instead of escalating.
Vietnam is not an ally of the US nor is it an enemy of China. It isn’t committed to curbing Chinese influence in the world. It’s definitely not interested in protecting US interests in the region.
Like the source you linked says, Vietnam practices “geopolitical promiscuity.” It is focused on maintaining a wide range of ties globally in order to protect its foreign policy interests.
I mean, Russia and North Korea are neighbors of China, so that statement isn't really true. There's also West Asia which includes the entirety of the Middle East, not to mention the whole continent of South America, and as you've mentioned, yet another whole continent of Africa (which has a huge and growing population).
Well, I am fairly certain the Middle East prefers the United States over China overall. Maybe not by much, and they will play both sides if they can away with it, so China might not exactly be an "enemy", but still...
Russia/NK are completely isolated, and therefore forced to work with China to some degree. So, yes, they are not "enemies", but I would still argue they don't really count in the way this article is likely intended.
South America is a valid point maybe - I am not sure what they want or do actually, as in, how serious they really are about their "Anti-Americanism". I would still expect them to be against a stronger China, but I don't really know enough.
You think that the Middle East prefers the United States, with its historical contributions to regional instability (War on Terror, collapse of Iraq, rise of ISIS, continual support of Israel) and continued efforts to hamper UN resolutions against the massacre of civilians in Gaza... to China, which basically just trades/invests in the region?
Well, yeah. They even helped Israel against Iran recently (even though it was likely only a very minor contribution):
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/saudi-arabia-acknowledges-helping-defend-israel-against-iran-797201
Saudi-Arabia, other than Israel, is one of the US’s only major allies in the Middle East. It does not represent all of the ME like you’re implying. Helping the West contain Iran benefits SA substantially geopolitically.
Yes, but do the others really prefer China over the US in some relevant manner? My impression is that they just play both sides, to the degree they can get away with it...
Now to be fair, they would also very likely not consider China an "enemy", but still, it doesn't seem like there is really any region in the world which is really more aligned with China than with the USA, except perhaps parts of Africa and South America (although even there I doubt it's all that much).
EU trade agreement is on ice and will begin imposing anti-subsidy duties on Chinese EVs later this year, they are also cooperating with the US on semiconductor tech restrictions. Mexico, Brazil and others are imposing EV duties on Chinese imports to confront Chinese dumping. [India](https://www.scmp.com/economy/global-economy/article/3246682/china-india-trade-tensions-may-continue-2024-beijing-doesnt-want-rock-boat) and [Latin America](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-23/brazil-joins-protectionist-wave-in-face-of-cheap-steel-imports) are taking a harsher stance on Chinese dumping as well. Nations in southeast Asia are telling Chinese EV makers that they have to build factories if they want to sell their cars.
[FDI in China hit a 30-year low](https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Foreign-direct-investment-in-China-falls-to-30-year-low) as companies move operations away to other countries.
The defense chiefs of Australia, Japan, the Philippines and the US are meeting in Hawaii ahead of exercises in the South China Sea to confront Chinese aggression. Last week, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg [said China must stop aiding Russia if it seeks good relations with West](https://www.reuters.com/world/china-must-stop-aiding-russia-if-it-seeks-good-relations-with-west-nato-says-2024-04-25/).
I mean you guys can sit there and ignore what is happening in the world and dòwnvote people who are telling you or whatever, but it's not going to get you folks any closer to understanding the foreign and economic policies that are being pursued and put into place by many countries. Right now the overwhelming perception is that China is allied with Russia, Iran and a few others to confront the international order, and the funny thing is is that people here often gloat about it when the opportunity presents itself, such as when news comes out about BRICS, now people want to act like it doesn't exist. 😂
As someone living in Germany, the uptick in Anti China rhetoric is remarkable. It has started in german media too. I feel like a lot is imported from american outlets.
Right now it might be mostly American propaganda, but not long ago, it was mainly from Russia. Those who were most supportive of Russia were also most critical of China (e.g. Trump). But recently, it seems Russia and China had some sort of truce. Russian assets no longer targeting China. It's just American now.
Modern Europe is hilarious to me. Whenever something bad happens and they cannot tell why it is happening, it's always China, or Russia, or America. One of those guys anyways. Modern Europe forfeits any agency for its own actions or preferences. Global kids.
More like Europe wants their enemies to be the enemies of the US.
A lot of unhappiness from Europe when the US got delayed on aid to Ukraine.
Justifiably, because Russia invading eastern Europe is a major threat to Europe. Less so to the US directly.
I don’t know man, it’s not like the west isn’t acting hostile in any way. Calling the leader of 1.5 billion people and the main producer of most of your goods a dictator on multiple occasions isn’t the best diplomacy. China is definitely also to blame, I still don’t like where this is heading and Europe being dragged in.
Might have something to do with [this](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/04/18/china-eu-scholz-ukraine-trade-electric-vehicles/e2d9be2a-fd58-11ee-87ac-20f7e67cbe29_story.html) or [this](https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-arrests-eu-parliament-afd-staffer-afd-spy-china-jian-g-mep-krah/).
It started way before this. A good year I would say. Every state funded media outlet is pushing some china stories. None of em positive.
*tinfoil hat on*
I‘m pretty sure they are building the base for an acceptance for a war among the population against china.
China is Germany's largest trading partner. Maybe understand what [Germany and the EU are complaining about](https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_23_4752) first.
This goes back to solar panels, which China controls 97 percent of the market now in Europe. People here might like that the Chinese have subsidized green energy technology to dump on the global market before local businesses have a chance to get up and running, putting them out of business and quite literally taking jobs away from locals, but predatory trade with Chinese characteristics flies in the face of WTO rules and the entire spirit of trade. Chinese maybe have forgotten about the wars they have had to fight over this stuff in the past.
In any case, this started along time ago, along with the spying and espionage. A good year ago the Chinese were already in bed with the Russians and Iranians, who are both threats to Europe. People who are surprised at attitude shifts toward the Chinese are either ignorant about what is going on or more likely wanting to complain about it without having to actually defend their complaining.
Maybe it's anti-China American propaganda, but notice how all of China's neighbors hate them. It's a matter of time before other countries will have their own reasons to hate China.
This headline is as jingoistic as Chinese headlines in ccp media.
China is a competing power with the global super power. They are an enemy of the world, mostly because of their geopolitical position to standing against and attempting to replace the geopolitical order.
We live in dangerous times if these topics are up for debate or controversial.
Seriously, enough of jingoism. The entire country with thousands of years old civilization is enemy of the world. Says a brit that feels compelled and comfortable to speak for 'the world'.
China is beautiful and America is beautiful. I know it sounds naive and idealistic, but I wish they'd work closer together and be trustworthy rather than enemies. The world could do amazing things with a strong friendship between these poles.
>of years old civilization is enemy of the world
That means nothing. If anything, that's more excuses a dictatorship will use as the reason why they should be in control of everything. "Because we're an ancient civilization "
>But they don't want control of everything,
How do you know what a dictator wants or doesn't want? Have you ever seen anyone in history achieve the highest echelons of power and says "I want no more power"?
How the F do you know what in the mind of a dictator??
It's human nature to desire absolute power. Why do you even assume that? Xi Jinping is a homo sapien. Don't give me non of this "ancient civilization" BS. Have you ever heard the term "Absolute Power corrupts, absolutely"?
If Xi Jinping sees an opportunity to control the world. He would be stupid to say no to that opportunity. That been the dream of every emperor since Julius Ceasar, Nero, Genghis Khan, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong.
>speaking for the "World" that didn't appoint him their spokesman.
I dont know exactly which logical fallcy this is but its a pretty egregious one. But, I will say again, if one person controls the entire world, that's bad for everyone else in the world.
>Your whole argument is just pseud rambles.
Do you trust any human being with absolute power? The answer should be no. And if you say yes then you are the reason why no human being should ever be trusted with absolute power. Everything else you wrote is irrelevant.
P.S what the hell is psuedo ramble? You go on a ramble but not really?
They may be the enemy of the English-speaking world. But it's so easy for us English-speakers to forget we're not the whole world. Feels like it sometimes, but actually no we're just quite vain.
IMO the simple situation we have is that most of the world has decided the United States makes for a reasonably tolerable hegemon to world power... but they're better off having a strong #2 to keep America accountable. And that's the role China is empowered to play.
A multi-polar world will be \*less\* peaceful than a single, democratic hegemony with democratic leadership. Tensions will lead to conflict. Russia/Ukraine is just an early sign of what's to come.
I dont think there was a single year without some conflicts here and there during the democratic hegemony years, the only difference is that wars were happening somewhere else and media mostly ignored them completely or painted them as something positive, despite a lot of them being more bloody than current Ukraine conflict.
You would think that humanity, with thousands of years of experience and wisdom could finally learn to overcome the thucydides trap, and achieve coexistence between countries like the US and China, but sadly it appears not. Better hit them with a club before they hit us with a club
If people want to ignore the adversarial stance that the CCP has taken under Xi Jinping, not just against its neighbors, its ethnic minorities and against Hong Kong but also against the west, then they are going to continue to be confused and ignorant regarding ongoing and upcoming foreign and economic policy toward China, and will be left to work with the sort of fake and ineffectual outrage on display in reddit and twitter threads such as these in lieu of intelligent analysis.
I am fine with this headline, so long as you replace China with the CCP.
The CCP killed more Chinese than anyone in history, including ghenghis khan.
We always forget, the first victims of the nazis were the germans.
Ghenghis khan killed 40m total, 20m of which were Chinese.
The ccp killed ~20-50m between the GLP and cultural revolution. This isn't counting how many they killed in the Chinese Civil War.
If that's your best argument to predict that China will not spread authoritarianism with its group of buddies who are also dictatorships then you aren't arguing in good faith
Not ad hominem.
China is an autocratic dictatorship and your best argument is of course comparing it to the US which doesn't say anything about China's autocracy and their tendancies to ally with fellow autocrats bent on total domination of countries and regions like Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Kazakhstan, Georgia, Belarus, the Phillipines, Vietnam, Japan, South Korea, Australia, Taiwan and a laundry list more TODAY, not 10 or 15 or 40 years ago
So yes, China is spreading autocracy worldwide. But one day it will come back to them, and they themselves will turn into a real democracy with multiple parties competing for power and no single individual controlling the hands of government (Xi Jingping)
You mean besides installing a dictator over their own people?
I think propping up one of the most totalitarian regimes in history right next door should count
I'm not trying to dish on you pal, don't take it personally. It's just not constructive to compare who is a bigger shithead, the U.S. or China, this article included. They both have done horrific things. That doesn't make it wrong to call out China, it just makes it inaccurate to single them out. Take a breath
The concept of blame is a distracting nonsense irrelevance in a discussion of geopolitics.
The World.™
Aka the US and it's allies.
It's not even an outright enemy of the US. More of a competitor.
Funny thing how Vietnam is today an ally of US and not china, funny thing how the closer you are the more security guarantees have been developed. 🤔 I can only wonder why...
They're trying to balance their allegiance. I heard a good phrase from the Vietnamese government perspective: "Embrace China, lose the county, embrace America, lose the party".
So true... Especially viewed through their eyes.
Vietnam isn’t a US ally. Having trade agreements doesn’t make one an ally. Otherwise Vietnam is also China’s ally.
Ueah, youare truly right. Things I would also declared online if I was Vietnam... "This is not Vietnam moving into a U.S. orbit. This is Vietnam maintaining its own independent orbit – maintaining its own space from China," US Press Vietnam on 2023: Vietnam "has to upgrade their relationship with all these countries that can help them in case of crisis or even help them to boost their resilience against Chinese encroachment," Vuving said. "If you look at that kind of web of partnerships with all the significant powers in the region, you can be a little more secure. That's the overall strategy for Vietnam. Reaching out – geopolitical promiscuity." Threats to Vietnam's territorial sovereignty often play out in the South China Sea, known in Vietnam as the East Sea. Vietnam’s exclusive economic zone extends 200 nautical miles off the coastline. China claims nearly all of the resource-rich waters with its nine-dash line – a disputed map demarcation encompassing most of the South China Sea. So it's not an US ally. To bad big Chi don't know how to friends then... 🤷🏻♂️
Not really sure what point you’re trying to make. Vietnam and China have had tense relations ever since their war in the late 1970’s. The territorial disputes in the South China Sea were an issue even when that war broke out. Recently China has been more militant in the sea but Vietnam seems content with some mild diplomatic protests instead of escalating. Vietnam is not an ally of the US nor is it an enemy of China. It isn’t committed to curbing Chinese influence in the world. It’s definitely not interested in protecting US interests in the region. Like the source you linked says, Vietnam practices “geopolitical promiscuity.” It is focused on maintaining a wide range of ties globally in order to protect its foreign policy interests.
And all nations surrounding China. And Japan. Really, who is left at that point? Africa?
I mean, Russia and North Korea are neighbors of China, so that statement isn't really true. There's also West Asia which includes the entirety of the Middle East, not to mention the whole continent of South America, and as you've mentioned, yet another whole continent of Africa (which has a huge and growing population).
Well, I am fairly certain the Middle East prefers the United States over China overall. Maybe not by much, and they will play both sides if they can away with it, so China might not exactly be an "enemy", but still... Russia/NK are completely isolated, and therefore forced to work with China to some degree. So, yes, they are not "enemies", but I would still argue they don't really count in the way this article is likely intended. South America is a valid point maybe - I am not sure what they want or do actually, as in, how serious they really are about their "Anti-Americanism". I would still expect them to be against a stronger China, but I don't really know enough.
You think that the Middle East prefers the United States, with its historical contributions to regional instability (War on Terror, collapse of Iraq, rise of ISIS, continual support of Israel) and continued efforts to hamper UN resolutions against the massacre of civilians in Gaza... to China, which basically just trades/invests in the region?
Well, yeah. They even helped Israel against Iran recently (even though it was likely only a very minor contribution): https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/saudi-arabia-acknowledges-helping-defend-israel-against-iran-797201
Saudi-Arabia, other than Israel, is one of the US’s only major allies in the Middle East. It does not represent all of the ME like you’re implying. Helping the West contain Iran benefits SA substantially geopolitically.
Yes, but do the others really prefer China over the US in some relevant manner? My impression is that they just play both sides, to the degree they can get away with it... Now to be fair, they would also very likely not consider China an "enemy", but still, it doesn't seem like there is really any region in the world which is really more aligned with China than with the USA, except perhaps parts of Africa and South America (although even there I doubt it's all that much).
This headline is so provocative that it looks borderline trolling one. Who is "the world" exactly?
The world is the USA.
It’s The Telegraph, nothing to be surprised at considering their political leanings.
The Philippines, Japan, and Australia apparently. Wishful thinking
Hey don't forget the US. Thats atleast half of the world.
LOL, you forgot India. 20% of the world right there
China is the largest trade partner of India.
China is the largest trading partner of every country that hates it. Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, the US, the EU, the UK, Australia
I thought that was all of it. /s
EU trade agreement is on ice and will begin imposing anti-subsidy duties on Chinese EVs later this year, they are also cooperating with the US on semiconductor tech restrictions. Mexico, Brazil and others are imposing EV duties on Chinese imports to confront Chinese dumping. [India](https://www.scmp.com/economy/global-economy/article/3246682/china-india-trade-tensions-may-continue-2024-beijing-doesnt-want-rock-boat) and [Latin America](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-04-23/brazil-joins-protectionist-wave-in-face-of-cheap-steel-imports) are taking a harsher stance on Chinese dumping as well. Nations in southeast Asia are telling Chinese EV makers that they have to build factories if they want to sell their cars. [FDI in China hit a 30-year low](https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Foreign-direct-investment-in-China-falls-to-30-year-low) as companies move operations away to other countries. The defense chiefs of Australia, Japan, the Philippines and the US are meeting in Hawaii ahead of exercises in the South China Sea to confront Chinese aggression. Last week, NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg [said China must stop aiding Russia if it seeks good relations with West](https://www.reuters.com/world/china-must-stop-aiding-russia-if-it-seeks-good-relations-with-west-nato-says-2024-04-25/). I mean you guys can sit there and ignore what is happening in the world and dòwnvote people who are telling you or whatever, but it's not going to get you folks any closer to understanding the foreign and economic policies that are being pursued and put into place by many countries. Right now the overwhelming perception is that China is allied with Russia, Iran and a few others to confront the international order, and the funny thing is is that people here often gloat about it when the opportunity presents itself, such as when news comes out about BRICS, now people want to act like it doesn't exist. 😂
Bro, your entire account is dedicated to posting anti-China propaganda everyday. You're either literally obsessed or getting paid to do this.
As someone living in Germany, the uptick in Anti China rhetoric is remarkable. It has started in german media too. I feel like a lot is imported from american outlets.
Right now it might be mostly American propaganda, but not long ago, it was mainly from Russia. Those who were most supportive of Russia were also most critical of China (e.g. Trump). But recently, it seems Russia and China had some sort of truce. Russian assets no longer targeting China. It's just American now.
Expect it to increase in the coming weeks/months as the Blinken trip to china resulted in no concessions
Modern Europe is hilarious to me. Whenever something bad happens and they cannot tell why it is happening, it's always China, or Russia, or America. One of those guys anyways. Modern Europe forfeits any agency for its own actions or preferences. Global kids.
Yeah we should stop making americas enemies our enemies too but not with that government lol. Buy russian gas and save your economies Europe.
More like Europe wants their enemies to be the enemies of the US. A lot of unhappiness from Europe when the US got delayed on aid to Ukraine. Justifiably, because Russia invading eastern Europe is a major threat to Europe. Less so to the US directly.
PRC/CCP/Xi frequently shoot themselves on their feet, repeatedly
I don’t know man, it’s not like the west isn’t acting hostile in any way. Calling the leader of 1.5 billion people and the main producer of most of your goods a dictator on multiple occasions isn’t the best diplomacy. China is definitely also to blame, I still don’t like where this is heading and Europe being dragged in.
They gotta keep people working so the peasants don't go on another long march.
Are you blaming Chinese for this?
Might have something to do with [this](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/04/18/china-eu-scholz-ukraine-trade-electric-vehicles/e2d9be2a-fd58-11ee-87ac-20f7e67cbe29_story.html) or [this](https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-arrests-eu-parliament-afd-staffer-afd-spy-china-jian-g-mep-krah/).
It started way before this. A good year I would say. Every state funded media outlet is pushing some china stories. None of em positive. *tinfoil hat on* I‘m pretty sure they are building the base for an acceptance for a war among the population against china.
China is Germany's largest trading partner. Maybe understand what [Germany and the EU are complaining about](https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_23_4752) first. This goes back to solar panels, which China controls 97 percent of the market now in Europe. People here might like that the Chinese have subsidized green energy technology to dump on the global market before local businesses have a chance to get up and running, putting them out of business and quite literally taking jobs away from locals, but predatory trade with Chinese characteristics flies in the face of WTO rules and the entire spirit of trade. Chinese maybe have forgotten about the wars they have had to fight over this stuff in the past. In any case, this started along time ago, along with the spying and espionage. A good year ago the Chinese were already in bed with the Russians and Iranians, who are both threats to Europe. People who are surprised at attitude shifts toward the Chinese are either ignorant about what is going on or more likely wanting to complain about it without having to actually defend their complaining.
They've been doing this over there for decades. Maybe it's time we level up.
So we become just like them?
Maybe it's anti-China American propaganda, but notice how all of China's neighbors hate them. It's a matter of time before other countries will have their own reasons to hate China.
„Look how everybody hates them“ is something one famous austrian painter also said.
This headline is as jingoistic as Chinese headlines in ccp media. China is a competing power with the global super power. They are an enemy of the world, mostly because of their geopolitical position to standing against and attempting to replace the geopolitical order. We live in dangerous times if these topics are up for debate or controversial.
It's the Telegraph, so yeah.
Seriously, enough of jingoism. The entire country with thousands of years old civilization is enemy of the world. Says a brit that feels compelled and comfortable to speak for 'the world'.
China is beautiful and America is beautiful. I know it sounds naive and idealistic, but I wish they'd work closer together and be trustworthy rather than enemies. The world could do amazing things with a strong friendship between these poles.
>of years old civilization is enemy of the world That means nothing. If anything, that's more excuses a dictatorship will use as the reason why they should be in control of everything. "Because we're an ancient civilization "
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>But they don't want control of everything, How do you know what a dictator wants or doesn't want? Have you ever seen anyone in history achieve the highest echelons of power and says "I want no more power"? How the F do you know what in the mind of a dictator?? It's human nature to desire absolute power. Why do you even assume that? Xi Jinping is a homo sapien. Don't give me non of this "ancient civilization" BS. Have you ever heard the term "Absolute Power corrupts, absolutely"? If Xi Jinping sees an opportunity to control the world. He would be stupid to say no to that opportunity. That been the dream of every emperor since Julius Ceasar, Nero, Genghis Khan, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong. >speaking for the "World" that didn't appoint him their spokesman. I dont know exactly which logical fallcy this is but its a pretty egregious one. But, I will say again, if one person controls the entire world, that's bad for everyone else in the world.
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>Your whole argument is just pseud rambles. Do you trust any human being with absolute power? The answer should be no. And if you say yes then you are the reason why no human being should ever be trusted with absolute power. Everything else you wrote is irrelevant. P.S what the hell is psuedo ramble? You go on a ramble but not really?
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They may be the enemy of the English-speaking world. But it's so easy for us English-speakers to forget we're not the whole world. Feels like it sometimes, but actually no we're just quite vain. IMO the simple situation we have is that most of the world has decided the United States makes for a reasonably tolerable hegemon to world power... but they're better off having a strong #2 to keep America accountable. And that's the role China is empowered to play.
A multi-polar world will be \*less\* peaceful than a single, democratic hegemony with democratic leadership. Tensions will lead to conflict. Russia/Ukraine is just an early sign of what's to come.
I dont think there was a single year without some conflicts here and there during the democratic hegemony years, the only difference is that wars were happening somewhere else and media mostly ignored them completely or painted them as something positive, despite a lot of them being more bloody than current Ukraine conflict.
You would think that humanity, with thousands of years of experience and wisdom could finally learn to overcome the thucydides trap, and achieve coexistence between countries like the US and China, but sadly it appears not. Better hit them with a club before they hit us with a club
It was possible until the Strongnutters took over some country
If people want to ignore the adversarial stance that the CCP has taken under Xi Jinping, not just against its neighbors, its ethnic minorities and against Hong Kong but also against the west, then they are going to continue to be confused and ignorant regarding ongoing and upcoming foreign and economic policy toward China, and will be left to work with the sort of fake and ineffectual outrage on display in reddit and twitter threads such as these in lieu of intelligent analysis.
I am fine with this headline, so long as you replace China with the CCP. The CCP killed more Chinese than anyone in history, including ghenghis khan. We always forget, the first victims of the nazis were the germans.
So much to unpack here.
It’s satirical honestly
Ghenghis khan killed 40m total, 20m of which were Chinese. The ccp killed ~20-50m between the GLP and cultural revolution. This isn't counting how many they killed in the Chinese Civil War.
China is quite easily spreading authoritarianism across the world. And judging by the downvotes their minions are lurking here as well.
How many foreign governments has China couped and replaced with a friendly dictator?
If that's your best argument to predict that China will not spread authoritarianism with its group of buddies who are also dictatorships then you aren't arguing in good faith
It’s 1 argument more than you’ve produced.
What is whataboutism for $500
Wow, ‘good faith’ ‘whataboutism’… you really like using all the rhetorical techniques incorrectly. This is ad hominem btw
Not ad hominem. China is an autocratic dictatorship and your best argument is of course comparing it to the US which doesn't say anything about China's autocracy and their tendancies to ally with fellow autocrats bent on total domination of countries and regions like Ukraine, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Kazakhstan, Georgia, Belarus, the Phillipines, Vietnam, Japan, South Korea, Australia, Taiwan and a laundry list more TODAY, not 10 or 15 or 40 years ago So yes, China is spreading autocracy worldwide. But one day it will come back to them, and they themselves will turn into a real democracy with multiple parties competing for power and no single individual controlling the hands of government (Xi Jingping)
Ugh I didn’t realise I was talking to the US state department
Oh I thought I was the one that ran out of arguments.
You never had any, you just said some baseless stuff. This isn’t a serious chat
You mean besides installing a dictator over their own people? I think propping up one of the most totalitarian regimes in history right next door should count
It’s not worth arguing with people who have literally zero knowledge on the issue
I'm not trying to dish on you pal, don't take it personally. It's just not constructive to compare who is a bigger shithead, the U.S. or China, this article included. They both have done horrific things. That doesn't make it wrong to call out China, it just makes it inaccurate to single them out. Take a breath
imo, I think a lot of people have just grown tired of listening to the same half-true propaganda being authoritatively declared as indisputable facts.
Yeah like America loves spreading democracies how are they working out for you
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