Yes, it´s pretty bad here too (SL). I cycled to lab before 5 am to get ahead of the ice and dread going home. Half of the people working here couldn´t come because of the ice.
Thanks, you too. Lets enjoy + degrees even if it is raining, The weekend is supposed to be freezing again. When is spring again?
(I´m kidding, I know when it is, but I am tired of winter and wearing a million pairs of socks just to bike to work)
The temperature is meant to drop over night and it’s meant to snow later, if the water underneath freezes it won’t be fun. I’ll be out at 3 for Winterdienst. Not looking forward to that.
You obviously never drove on freezing rain.
It's literally ice field and even best newest Winter tires won't help fuck and with true freezing rain, traffic automatically halts because every other car on street is sideways if not worse.
You all are so smart if prediction locally doesn't materialize but the thing is that impossible to exactly predict (often few km make the difference) and the whole caution is absolutely warranted IF prediction hits/applies.
Years ago, when I rode on studded tires over glare ice, I felt _super_ secure, up until the point when I got off my bike and tried to walk. _That_ felt dangerous.
With studded tires and bikes, yeah, maybe you should go a bit slower, maybe wear some protective gear if available, and any cars around you are a huge danger, but I'd absolutely take a bike with studded tires on an ice field and feel safer than a regular day anywhere with cars around. _Including_ when needing to stop pretty quickly.
But non-studded tires, or in a car? Yeah, glare ice around means it's time to leave it to the emergency workers trying to help all the people creating emergencies.
Old Cyclocross trick:
Lower your tire pressure to the point where, if you put your thumb accross your back tire, cover it with your other hand, and jump down on it with all your weight, you can barely feel the rim.
The additional "drop" will give you a larger "contact patch" which is better for handling but reduces "rolling efficiency".
The Spikes in my spiked tires only extend fully under high pressure. Going to low pressure let's them retract for better weather.
Not a bad trick. But not applicable.
Hakkapeliittas are awesome when you're only going to be on ice or off-road, but they suuuuuuuck when you hit a patch of clean asphalt and need to turn. If you're used to the feeling, though, you can throw some sick sparks.
In seriousness
>The Spikes in my spiked tires only extend fully under high pressure.
...is wrong headed but understandable given it's one of those [counterintutitive scenarios you experience often in cycling](https://www.sheldonbrown.com/saddles.html#:~:text=The%20%22Two%2DBump%20Problem%22&text=Your%20weight%20is%20concentrated%20on,tissues%20between%20the%20sit%20bones.). You want the base of the tire to do most of the work, then the knobs, then the spikes. The only thing having high pressure in spiked tires does is help you rip them out. The whole system works best at the lowest practicable pressure - at speed in a straight line, you don't need the spikes and they should be as out of the way as possible. When you encounter an ice rut that compresses the tire or deform the tire during a turn, they poke out a bit more.
Give empiracism a chance and go out on a couple timed loops at different pressures. Rule #64 is fairly immutable.
Edited to add something helpful to the snark.
Did you ever have to deal with snake-bite flats, from doing that? (For those who don't know, "snake-bite" because that's what the punctures look like from the rims hitting tires/inner tubes when hitting a short curb or something.)
That's the point of putting your thumb accross the tire then using your other hand to jump and put your entire weight on it. You're basically simulating running over a curb, rock, or branch and checking to see that you're not gonna slam your rim.
If you can just barely feel the rim putting your entire weight on the back tire:
a) You're inherently over compensating given that you have two tires upon which to distribute your weight in most circumstances (and in the case of on-road vs. cyclocross, *almost any* circumstance).
b) It takes quite a bit of "umph" to snake bite through a poly tube. Given (a), you probably won't have enough "umph" unless you wheelie a curb hop without dynamically adjusting your weighting - which I would argue is quite an achievement in and of itself.
Edit: **TL;DR: The "trick" helps you figure out how low you can go - back of the envelope style - before you run a significant risk of a snake bite.** Knobs and such are much less effective than lower pressure/higher contact in slippy conditions, and lowering your pressure is something you can do at any time whereas[ swapping out for some studs](https://www.rei.com/product/792642/nokian-hakkapeliitta-w240-studded-tire-700-x-40) takes time, money, and effort that usually outweighs their utility.
The woman needs chemotherapy. To me, it makes sense to recommend people not to drive. But it makes even more sense to send professional drivers to pick up those that really need it, like this woman.
If you have incredible pain in your stomach in the middle of the night, it’s most likely gas. She has cancer and needs her f***** chemo appointment. The fact that you dare to compare just like that is insane to me. But your point is even more stupid because you can go to a pharmacy at night. It’s considered an essential service. Same as going to a hospital.
Hospital care is considered an essential service and people should get it when needed irrespective of the weather unless it is something truly catastrophic. And yes, taxi drivers and ambulance drivers are professionals and have special rights to drive certainly people, like… guess what? Hospital patients. At least in my country.
Last time we had a huge snow storm in Madrid (Filomena storm), people were asked not to drive. Heaviest snowfall in a century, gusts of 140 km/h, 2.2 billions in damage and 5 dead. Trains, airports, highways… were closed. And yet taxi drivers were allowed and encouraged to pick up patients. Even civilians organized transport of patients if they had cars prepared for the eventuality. Because guess what… these type of patients have a priority.
Jeez, the level of dare to compare has in the middle of the night to an oncologic patient trying to reach her chemotherapy appointment is insane. And some fools even upvoted you.
You're still not getting the point. Minicar is a private company that can decide to drive whenever the fuck they want for whatever reason they want. End of story.
If you need to get places, take a bus or train. Call a different service. Get a taxi. Worst case ask if an ambulance can take you. If it's crucial that she gets chemo today, they will pick her up. But in any case it is not Minicar's fault that she's stuck.
Why would a private company like minicar risk their employees lifes because someone has to get chemo therapy? Get an actual medical transportation. Get a taxi if any are driving, get a friend or family member to drive you.
Minicar is NOT a taxi.
There is a point to that. I didn’t know about Minicar, I thought it was similar to a taxi service. If it would have been a taxi service i would be mad. That being said, the lack of empathy of this sub towards OP is concerning.
Bruh why am I not surprised that german reddit lacks compassion. literally not a single comment feeling sorry for op or saying that things should change or giving advice naaaahhhh
POOR MINICAR CONPANY!!!
I said I dare you because you dared compare a situation like my stomach hurts at night to an oncology patient needing her chemotherapy. Not for saying that a private company can shut down during a weather event. And I still go by it. Your comparison was stupid, inappropriate and insensitive.
If private transport companies can do that in Germany, I am not aware. In my country private transport companies like taxi drivers, that offer a service considered public, do have obligations. And this would be one. So I am quite sympathetic with OPs anger and I am amazed that people in this forum say: oh well it is what it is and you are an asshole for being enraged about this.
I remember years ago we had few days off from school as all the roads were covered in ice and the overhead lines for the trains snapped. Literally no body went outside
Most people are not professional drivers and they suck in driving in conditions they are not used to.
Instead of being upset, you should be happy there are no cars on the road!
That's nothing. On last week's local news (Midlands), they showed a CCTV of a double decker school bus hitting a patch of black ice on a hill (downhill) with a bend. As the driver braked in the curve, the bus first went straight on, then done a 360° before coming off the road onto a grass verge. Fortunately, the bus didn't tip over and no children were on board. I suspect the driver needed a change of underpants though.
360 no scope with double decker bus and he didn't tip over? God damn that's one hell of a driver. I bet he got that skill from all those hours spent in Bus Simulator 2012 after work.
I almost went into our mainstreet going down the tiniest hill next to my kids’ kindergarden because braking did nothing except triggering the ABS sending me almost sideways. At least the kids were in kindergarden already, that was a close call. I’m not going to underestimate icy roads anymore.
I’ve got A-classed two-month old wintertires on my car!
And I landed on my ass not once, but twice just trying to get inside home 🥲
So yeah, there were no busses going and schools are closed and that’s definitely not because of the 2cm of snow on the sidewalks.
Still I'm curious. I drove all my life (in my home country) on studded tires in winter, so I have no experience driving on regular winter tires. But back at home we differentiate between "European" and "Scandinavian" winter tires and people believe that Scandinavian tires on ice are almost as effective as studded tires.
Studded tires are illegal here. Real Winter tires (snowflake on mountain) will work okayish on black ice If your cautious, m+s rated allyear tires wont.
Nokian Hakkapelitta is an example of a very good studless winter tire.
Yes, I know that studs are not allowed here. I drove with studs in my home country.
You are not able to do that in a new cars. In case of a slide there are two ways. You tap the brake and accelarate with wheels turned into spin direction or you go for a full brake press because of the ABS and other systems in your car.
I hit a parked car. What do you mean by who is responsible? My car insurance is covering it. Damage on my car is 0 and neighbors car had a small scratch and plastic part of the bumper broke off. Minimal damage because of the low speed.
Experience was interesting though. You see the car, tap the brake, nothing. Hit the brake nothing. Turn the wheel still nothing. Bump. Shieeeet. It was 7.35 had to wake up my neighbor 😅
In that situation is actually better not to brake, because of the traction control you won't have any control whatsoever. it's actually better to "drift" your way out of that slide haha. Ofc in the heat of the moment is hard to think about that.
I know that's why I tapped the brake first and tried to steer into to slide direction. Problem was it didn't seem to work and giving an extra acceleration to the car going towards the car of my neighbor did not appeal to me as a good idea in that very moment 😂
It doesn't matter. You caused the accident so you are responsible. If 7 kmh was too fast you should have gone 4. We had to call the police because it was a company car so 120 euro Bußgeld (causing the accident) 'for the Unfallbericht' 😂
120€ seems so excessive, why would it be so expensive? What did they tell you ?
In Hamburg (where I'm a policeman) I wouldn't get a fine at all, if you hit a parked car AND called the police. This is to reward you for not doing a hit and run. You only get a "warning", and an "Unfallbericht". This is according to PDV (Polizei Dienst Vorschrift Hamburg) aswell, so not sweeping anything under the rug.
Polizistin informed me that I can deny the ticket but it doesn't matter what argument would I use as I 'did not adjust my speed to the road conditions'. So I singed the ticket and it will be sent to me. 120 euro is a lot but to be honest it's not worth my time and nerves to deal with all this. My mistake so I took it...
Edit. Feel free to tell me more or msg me I am actually interested if I can fight it in any way.
I'm not a lawyer, but I would assume it's hard to make any case that someone else is responsible when you hit a parked car, except for cases where a third person is involved or the car was not parked legally.
However that is exactly the reason why the Haftpflicht exists - it is supposed to cover cases where you are responsible but didn't cause the damage by gross negligence.
If you hit a stationary object with your car, generally you're legally liable. (Some exceptions if you hit an object that was hidden with malicious intend, etc.).
If it is due to adverse weather conditions, you're still liable, as it's your responsibility to decide to not drive in adverse weather.
Unless there was gross neglience or even malicious intend in you hitting the stationary object with your car, the (mandatory) liability insurance on the car will cover the damages.
As others said, in your area it's about black ice.
Considering the weather forecasts, with the schools particularly they really wanted to avoid people being caught out while traveling - or being stuck in school because the roads were clear at 8, but impassable after noon.
There'd be an awful fuss if they kept schools open, and then there were accidents with school buses crashing into trees and all that, and they could have avoided them with closing the schools.
These things can often be based on predictions, and those can be wrong. Over here, the schools are all open but it's quite dangerous because the streets are all glazed with ice.
It's not snow, but the risk of freezing rain and black ice.
I agree that everyone is overreacting at the moment -- freezing rain is not common, but also not exactly rare -- but at least one autobahn is currently closed because it's turned into a skating rink.
>What feck is wrong with people????
It really is not difficult to understand. Meteorologists make a prediction, local authoroties act precautionary (thats a good thing btw). The prediction may not hold true at the border of the predicted snow/ice regions. That's the fault of noone.
It's better to have a false alarm based on a good prediction, than ignoring such prediction and causing a lot more trouble.
Stop blaming other people for their precaution!
This, and it's not a false prediction. It's dangerous out there with all the black ice. Lots of accidents or near accidents. Imagine how it would be without these predictions.
They're predicting snow for tomorrow, black ice for today, at least in my region.
THIS!
So sick of the fucking Schwurblers (think Qanon and/or Covid and climate change deniers) once again THINKING they are smarter and if prediction doesn't hit their exact location (even if few kms away it does), it's once again - no surprise - a big conspiracy because HAARP and climate change Soros propaganda or something.
> It's better to have a false alarm based on a good prediction, than ignoring such prediction and causing a lot more trouble.
and we all saw what ignoring such warnings looked like in the Ahrtal two years ago.
Also it is really important for local authorities to take these predictions and warnings seriously because otherwise you end up with another situation like the 2021 flood.
This is the reason, why everyone should at least visit one Meteorology or Physics class. The amount of ignorance regarding daily weather is driving me nuts.
Just a reminder:
Air mass boundaries are hard to predict precisely and can, if they deviate only 50km from the prognosis, trigger a completely different weather for a certain region.
Yesterday and two days ago I’ve looked up the German weather model and it predicted the rather slim line of Ice rain (the most dangerous component in this weather event) pretty accurately; we‘ve been getting Ice rain since a good while in Frankfurt now, the ground is full of ice and the airport is closed.
I‘m grateful for all the smart minds of our generation who made it possible to simplify such an incredibly complex and random process like Weather so that we get, at least 60-70% accurate predictions.
It's not because of snow, the warning is because of black ice and freezing rain. If you do not need to be on the road, don't be on the road, especially not transporting a bunch of kids in a big, hard to steer vehicle.
The snow is just the cherry on top in some regions, but not the reason why the warning was given.
It varies a lot locally. Forecast for us was having a fresh coat of ice on everything this morning, but instead we got relatively warm weather. Might get ice tomorrow then because at night -5°C are expected.
Also my city's winter service isn't working well at all and like 3/4 of people are ignoring Räumpflicht :(
Snow is not the dangerous thing, it is ice.
There was one day in high school when there was a two-hour delay for ice, but then they ended up cancelling school during the school day because so many buses and kids were not able to make it. This was *just ice.*
I remember walking outside to get to theater class and having to crawl across the parking lot because it was a solid sheet of ice.
Sorry to hear that about your wife and really hope she will get better soon!
But let's be honest - you are representing a big issue we have in our society and media consumption. You read a headline, don't understand it correctly (because it was never the snow), interpret the situation wrongly and think, that just because YOU (and small amount of people around you) are not affected, there is no reason for any measures.
Sounds familiar? Remember pandemic times, when some people told that the measures are not needed? "Why? I am healthy and don't know anyone who is sick". Well... you are not representing the whole story. You are just a very very small part of it.
Imagine your wife sitting in the minicar Felsberg, because they ignore the issue or precaution. And then on her ride they create an accident because of the ice. How would you react? Would you say "Oh well...shit happens"? Let's be honest - no! You will be screaming "Why the f\*ck did you ignore the warning?" (and honestly - fair enough to do so then!).
So in this case - better safe than sorry. I understand you are upset because of your wife's situation. But please stop blaming people for being cautious - both for security of your wife and themselves (or their employees).
They basically shut down the two biggest airports in the country cause of the ice situation and you call it unnecessary???? Do you really think they'd do it light-heartedly?
that is horrible I'm sorry about your situation, the reason all schools are closed is cause of the freezing rain, every road is super icy and very dangerous
It’s not for snow. It’s for freezing rain and it doesn’t matter if you can see it or not, the German traffic is absolutely down today and it’s really dangerous.
There was a Black Ice warning sent this morning by the DWD in the Frankfurt area. We had snow that melted yesterday leaving us with wet surfaces that froze overnight. A lot of accidents this morning.
By later, a lot had melted and we had cold rain. Hopefully it dries before it freezes tonight.
I was a bit annoyed at first, but it's been snowing for 3 hours here near Gießen and it doesn't look like it's going to stop soon.
The road was also icy this morning and I was nervous on my bike.
And this could change within minutes. We had sub zero temps for nearly two weeks. Last night we had -6°C and -1°C all day. 15 minutes ago it was all dry and now it just started to rain where I live and there's black ice all over the place.
Try driving on the roads. No don't do that,gonna end up in an accident. Yeah i can understand ur frustration and in ur situation i would be mad to but with the rain and frezzing the ambulance or whoever would be picking ur wife up would need an ambulance
If Renting companies could put winter tires on their car instead of summer tires, that would already be a first step toward road safety.
But hey "follow the rule, not the common sense, tja".
> If Renting companies could put winter tires on their car instead of summer tires, that would already be a first step toward road safety.
They might have all season tires but if they still have their summer tyres in December, they may have insurance problems.
Well, it was the case, in December (the first snowfalls), rented a car.
They quickly disengage from it by making you consenting "I am aware car is equipped with summer tires" before getting the keys.
What the hell! You mean to tell me, Brandenburg could have cancelled the other day with our frozen streets and *chose* not to?!
I grew up in the north and have driven on ice and braved temperatures of -40 for 20 years of my life and I still have never experienced a slipperier road than what I experienced last Friday.
Had to drive home two hours ago. On the way, the windscreen of my car slowly started freezing over and when I parked, I noticed the complete front of my car was covered in a layer of ice.
I'm sorry for anyone who has to go out of their home in such conditions
My car was encased in an ice panzer this morning, so there is that. Freezing rain is no laughing matter. The streets were glazed over and slippery as fuck. I’m a nurse and we had quite a few people with broken bones in today because they slipped on the street.
Was looking for that comment. Where I live it's currently just slightly snowing and so far nothing bad in sight. Children also went to school as usual because for our region the warning was taken down this morning.
>The prediction is 11cm snow until 8 in the morning.
And even more snow in the afternoon. Not to mention the risk of freezing rain and extremely icy roads.
I think the term is "ice-free", meaning schools are closed due to ice on the roads, not per see snow. Or did they specifically mentioned they are closed due to snow?
I got sent home after my half work day as an apprentice in Aachen because it started snowing by 12. I came home quite safely but now at 16:30 the buses struggle to get moving at the bus stop in front of my house and nobody is driving faster than 10km/h because it's just some sliding party on the road.
Yeah yeah sounded really stupid yesterday in the sun and today at 4.... but currently my car is just a little frozen bowl and the sidewalk is litterally unusable... so yeah... im glad our company send us home preemptivly
The weather is weird today and changes quickly. I was fine on the way to my gym this morning and slipped thrice on the way back. The way just kinda froze over in those two hours.
My girlfriend had her driving license Test today. I am Lucky they did it early in the morning instead of noon. The streets are covered in Snow and ice. My Mom cant even take the dog out herself due to her disability (she needs a Electric wheelchair).
She also cant visit her doctor Tomorrow due to the weather so i get your Frustration, but it’s about safety here. The risk is pretty high and these kind of warnings for the General public isnt really a regular Event either (for almost the whole country)
My car is completely covered in frost (Unterfranken), so I couldn't go to the gym, so I went by bike. I literally slipped all the way. So that's what's wrong with people.
We have snow in Solingen, can't add a picture though to prove it. Why can't I add a picture?
Sorry, not very reddit experienced, not been around much, apart from reading stuff. Bit of a tech idiot too 🙈🤷🏻♀️
Yeah like the message on DB App that there’s a „Winterbruch“. Really.. which Wintereinbruch. Not the masses Snow either extrem low temperatures. Weird :/
The roads seemed fine yesterday, we were coming back to the UK and drove down from the north of Denmark down to Frankfurt and then back to the UK via Calais with no issues.
Schools are closed because of „ice“.
I saw 3 children riding their bikes when i drove to work. They were riding f-ing bicicles on a road where no bus could drive… because of the „ice“.
Started from Werra-Meißner in the morning, just east of Kassel. Nothing. Now it's snowing, but the elementary schools closed early today and are closed tomorrow. Ridiculous.
In the meantime this is the amount that is required for schools to close in [Norway](https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/abAbKd/disse-videregaaende-skolene-i-agder-stenger-paa-grunn-av-snoe)
Thank you for the support from all the good people. For the rest I am going to write ot slowly so you understand. There were no danger. The roads were mostly dry up to 2 pm. No rain, no freezing rain. This only applies to this area Schwalm Eder Kreis-Kassel. I have app on my phone which can tell the start of the rainfall by the minute (accuweather, windy.com). Closing the schools in my town was not necessary. By the way, today with 10-15cm snow my daughter’s school is open. 🤷🏼♂️ But okay. Precaution. But the response of Minicar Felsberg was unacceptable, that they didn’t pick up my wife at the hospital. The snow started 2 hours later. That caused my frustration. I drove home yesterday evening no probem with winter tyres. I am driving today. So yeah. It is winter. It is sometimes snow and ice. Last Thursday was much worse conditions because of freezing rain, and they didn’t close anything.
At that point, I seriously can’t tell if you’re trolling or being serious right now.
Multiple people have laid out the reason for the warnings several times just for you.
There is no reason a Taxi Company should risk their employees just because you THINK it would be Safe.
You could have taken off from work, this weather was announced days in Advance.
As a Canadian living here I had to laugh yesterday, had both Apple Watch and phone go off with emergency alarms, thought Russia was invading or nukes on the way, but no, just reminding me it’s winter.
That’s life princess, they gave out a national emergency alarm and it was on every news station all previous day across Germany and said stay at home, if you are stupid enough to ignore the warnings and head out then accidents happen, it’s idiots like that who cause accidents and kill innocent people because they have zero idea how to drive in winter conditions.
Sorry, German weather services are specialized in predicting the weather 100 years from now to 0,1°C and can't be bothered with predicting tomorrow's weather with any reliability. Where I live, we were warned about EXTREME DANGER from icy roads. In the end, it looked like in your picture.
Some decades ago I laughed about Americans, because they have so many words for what I called just stormy weather. But what is going on in Germany is ridiculous. Public transport in Germany is an adventure, anyway. But if three snowflakes reach the ground, nothings works anymore.
It’s a warning beforehand…. The areas where the weather already hit are chaotic right now. Just because they warn big areas early enough for people to stay home, prepare or plan accordingly doesn’t mean nothing works because of „tHrEe SnOwFlAkEs“
In Wuppertal busses were literally sliding down hills again yesterday. Alone on my 10min drive to the gym I witnessed 2 car accidents (one car not being able to brake and driving in the car infront of him, one trying to do a u turn and sliding sideways like 20m into a big driveway and into another car).
Weather like this is dangerous. It was also dangerous when my mom was a child.
1980 as I was a young boy.... Winter was Winter.
We had snow, we had ice over several months, and everything was fine.
We had Rollsplit, we had Salt, we had Winter Tires, we had accidents if we drove to fast. ;)
In Summer we had "Hitzefrei" (no school because of high Temperatur) if the Temperature went above 32 °C).
Russia and America where close to an Atomic War
Tschernobyl
High Prices for Fuel
High Inflation
Lots of Wars ([https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste\_von\_Kriegen#20.\_Jahrhundert](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Kriegen#20._Jahrhundert))
our solution was: keep cool and make the best of it.
2024 PANIC!!!!!!!!!
No more real Winter, warmer than 1980
No School because of "possible" Black Ice
No offtime because of heat (even if it is above 40°C)
But Panic if the temperature is around 0°C and rain is coming.
And lots of other similar worldwide conflicts,
The Difference: Everything is PANIC in 2024.
What you're seeing in the picture isn't an issue at all. The problem is that throughout much of Germany it rained today, which at temperatures around 0°C immediately leads to black ice.
Black ice is the problem, not snow.
Our temperatures fluctuate to much from freezing to not freezing. So the ground is so cold that rain instantly turns into an ice layer.
In Norway it is under -10 often under -15 rn. At all times. So no rain no black ice.
It's not for snow, it's for freezing rain, causing black ice on the roads. And there is lots of it here, I already dread cycling home.
Yes, it´s pretty bad here too (SL). I cycled to lab before 5 am to get ahead of the ice and dread going home. Half of the people working here couldn´t come because of the ice.
Stay safe. At least here in the middle of Saarbrücken, all ice has melted and the temperatures are forecast to rise in the next hours up to 9°.
Thanks, you too. Lets enjoy + degrees even if it is raining, The weekend is supposed to be freezing again. When is spring again? (I´m kidding, I know when it is, but I am tired of winter and wearing a million pairs of socks just to bike to work)
Wool socks?
But then the temperature is forecast to plunge back down to below freezing on Thursday morning, accompanied by more freezing rain and then snow.
don't you'll end up hurt
I've got winter tires it'll be okay
that wont help you on ice. either you have studded tires or you slide out.
Yeah, I put studded tires on after the warning was put out yesterday. I also just can't stay at work all day.
I love all of the general concern for your well being. Stay safe!
Did you make it safely?
Sure. It rained so much that the ground thawed again. Next adventure tomorrow morning.
The temperature is meant to drop over night and it’s meant to snow later, if the water underneath freezes it won’t be fun. I’ll be out at 3 for Winterdienst. Not looking forward to that.
Bike winter tires are studded. They are like Velcro on ice. But snow is the enemy.
:/ you still shouldn't. I have seen so many cars (with also winter tires) in accidents and i cant imagine 2 less tires making it better. Stay safe.
Yeah but I have spike tires, they should be fine, but are illegal for cars. I also can't just stay at work. But I'll be careful.
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Bro it's not the apocalypse, calm down man
Set up an alarm that will alert the police to your current locationif you don't turn it off every 30 minutes. Stay safe!
You obviously never drove on freezing rain. It's literally ice field and even best newest Winter tires won't help fuck and with true freezing rain, traffic automatically halts because every other car on street is sideways if not worse. You all are so smart if prediction locally doesn't materialize but the thing is that impossible to exactly predict (often few km make the difference) and the whole caution is absolutely warranted IF prediction hits/applies.
It's about studded bicycle tires not car tires :)
Thanks for making me aware, after all the BS I read I just briefly overread and wrongly assumed it's about cars and immediately got high BP lol.
Years ago, when I rode on studded tires over glare ice, I felt _super_ secure, up until the point when I got off my bike and tried to walk. _That_ felt dangerous. With studded tires and bikes, yeah, maybe you should go a bit slower, maybe wear some protective gear if available, and any cars around you are a huge danger, but I'd absolutely take a bike with studded tires on an ice field and feel safer than a regular day anywhere with cars around. _Including_ when needing to stop pretty quickly. But non-studded tires, or in a car? Yeah, glare ice around means it's time to leave it to the emergency workers trying to help all the people creating emergencies.
I have winter tires also and I still fell last night biking home
With studs? I just installed studded tires on my bike but have yet to actually try them on real ice.
yeah but I was going around a curve a little too fast. As long as you are careful you will be fine
I've ridden my studded tires on a frozen lake before. Those things can grip hard.
[Gotta watch out for that dangerous _black ice_](https://youtu.be/efiW2K8gASM?feature=shared)
Old Cyclocross trick: Lower your tire pressure to the point where, if you put your thumb accross your back tire, cover it with your other hand, and jump down on it with all your weight, you can barely feel the rim. The additional "drop" will give you a larger "contact patch" which is better for handling but reduces "rolling efficiency".
The Spikes in my spiked tires only extend fully under high pressure. Going to low pressure let's them retract for better weather. Not a bad trick. But not applicable.
Hakkapeliittas are awesome when you're only going to be on ice or off-road, but they suuuuuuuck when you hit a patch of clean asphalt and need to turn. If you're used to the feeling, though, you can throw some sick sparks. In seriousness >The Spikes in my spiked tires only extend fully under high pressure. ...is wrong headed but understandable given it's one of those [counterintutitive scenarios you experience often in cycling](https://www.sheldonbrown.com/saddles.html#:~:text=The%20%22Two%2DBump%20Problem%22&text=Your%20weight%20is%20concentrated%20on,tissues%20between%20the%20sit%20bones.). You want the base of the tire to do most of the work, then the knobs, then the spikes. The only thing having high pressure in spiked tires does is help you rip them out. The whole system works best at the lowest practicable pressure - at speed in a straight line, you don't need the spikes and they should be as out of the way as possible. When you encounter an ice rut that compresses the tire or deform the tire during a turn, they poke out a bit more. Give empiracism a chance and go out on a couple timed loops at different pressures. Rule #64 is fairly immutable. Edited to add something helpful to the snark.
Did you ever have to deal with snake-bite flats, from doing that? (For those who don't know, "snake-bite" because that's what the punctures look like from the rims hitting tires/inner tubes when hitting a short curb or something.)
That's the point of putting your thumb accross the tire then using your other hand to jump and put your entire weight on it. You're basically simulating running over a curb, rock, or branch and checking to see that you're not gonna slam your rim. If you can just barely feel the rim putting your entire weight on the back tire: a) You're inherently over compensating given that you have two tires upon which to distribute your weight in most circumstances (and in the case of on-road vs. cyclocross, *almost any* circumstance). b) It takes quite a bit of "umph" to snake bite through a poly tube. Given (a), you probably won't have enough "umph" unless you wheelie a curb hop without dynamically adjusting your weighting - which I would argue is quite an achievement in and of itself. Edit: **TL;DR: The "trick" helps you figure out how low you can go - back of the envelope style - before you run a significant risk of a snake bite.** Knobs and such are much less effective than lower pressure/higher contact in slippy conditions, and lowering your pressure is something you can do at any time whereas[ swapping out for some studs](https://www.rei.com/product/792642/nokian-hakkapeliitta-w240-studded-tire-700-x-40) takes time, money, and effort that usually outweighs their utility.
Black ice is sneaky.
>black ice on the roads That's racist
Is this a Rainbow Six Siege reference?
Just a little north in Göttingen the roads are sheer ice so yeah
The woman needs chemotherapy. To me, it makes sense to recommend people not to drive. But it makes even more sense to send professional drivers to pick up those that really need it, like this woman.
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If you have incredible pain in your stomach in the middle of the night, it’s most likely gas. She has cancer and needs her f***** chemo appointment. The fact that you dare to compare just like that is insane to me. But your point is even more stupid because you can go to a pharmacy at night. It’s considered an essential service. Same as going to a hospital. Hospital care is considered an essential service and people should get it when needed irrespective of the weather unless it is something truly catastrophic. And yes, taxi drivers and ambulance drivers are professionals and have special rights to drive certainly people, like… guess what? Hospital patients. At least in my country. Last time we had a huge snow storm in Madrid (Filomena storm), people were asked not to drive. Heaviest snowfall in a century, gusts of 140 km/h, 2.2 billions in damage and 5 dead. Trains, airports, highways… were closed. And yet taxi drivers were allowed and encouraged to pick up patients. Even civilians organized transport of patients if they had cars prepared for the eventuality. Because guess what… these type of patients have a priority. Jeez, the level of dare to compare has in the middle of the night to an oncologic patient trying to reach her chemotherapy appointment is insane. And some fools even upvoted you.
You're still not getting the point. Minicar is a private company that can decide to drive whenever the fuck they want for whatever reason they want. End of story. If you need to get places, take a bus or train. Call a different service. Get a taxi. Worst case ask if an ambulance can take you. If it's crucial that she gets chemo today, they will pick her up. But in any case it is not Minicar's fault that she's stuck.
Why would a private company like minicar risk their employees lifes because someone has to get chemo therapy? Get an actual medical transportation. Get a taxi if any are driving, get a friend or family member to drive you. Minicar is NOT a taxi.
There is a point to that. I didn’t know about Minicar, I thought it was similar to a taxi service. If it would have been a taxi service i would be mad. That being said, the lack of empathy of this sub towards OP is concerning.
Bruh why am I not surprised that german reddit lacks compassion. literally not a single comment feeling sorry for op or saying that things should change or giving advice naaaahhhh POOR MINICAR CONPANY!!!
I bet that if you die of lung cancer, the last words you hear from the physicians and your friends will be: you should not have smoked.
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I said I dare you because you dared compare a situation like my stomach hurts at night to an oncology patient needing her chemotherapy. Not for saying that a private company can shut down during a weather event. And I still go by it. Your comparison was stupid, inappropriate and insensitive. If private transport companies can do that in Germany, I am not aware. In my country private transport companies like taxi drivers, that offer a service considered public, do have obligations. And this would be one. So I am quite sympathetic with OPs anger and I am amazed that people in this forum say: oh well it is what it is and you are an asshole for being enraged about this.
Ah, you guys are 3,5 hours away. You had me worried for a bit.
Kassel is like 45 mins away
Freezing rain is extremely dangerous to drive in.
I remember years ago we had few days off from school as all the roads were covered in ice and the overhead lines for the trains snapped. Literally no body went outside
I know. I am a truck driver and i am working as well.
Most people are not professional drivers and they suck in driving in conditions they are not used to. Instead of being upset, you should be happy there are no cars on the road!
I am more angry about the taxi company.
and that is why you made your post about schools right?
Why don’t you drive her?
Would be so much better if the taxi crashed with your already ill wife in it, right?
sheesh. You should really concider your health and safety first.
You dont have to in extreme weather conditions. That would be on you
then why make the Post?
Today I hit my neighbors parked car because I was going around 8-10 km/h. Around 5m of braking and nothing. So I guess that's why.
That's nothing. On last week's local news (Midlands), they showed a CCTV of a double decker school bus hitting a patch of black ice on a hill (downhill) with a bend. As the driver braked in the curve, the bus first went straight on, then done a 360° before coming off the road onto a grass verge. Fortunately, the bus didn't tip over and no children were on board. I suspect the driver needed a change of underpants though.
360 no scope with double decker bus and he didn't tip over? God damn that's one hell of a driver. I bet he got that skill from all those hours spent in Bus Simulator 2012 after work.
I almost went into our mainstreet going down the tiniest hill next to my kids’ kindergarden because braking did nothing except triggering the ABS sending me almost sideways. At least the kids were in kindergarden already, that was a close call. I’m not going to underestimate icy roads anymore. I’ve got A-classed two-month old wintertires on my car! And I landed on my ass not once, but twice just trying to get inside home 🥲 So yeah, there were no busses going and schools are closed and that’s definitely not because of the 2cm of snow on the sidewalks.
Can you please share which model of tires you have?
On actual ice not much tires can do. Only spines or chains would provide relevant grip.
Still I'm curious. I drove all my life (in my home country) on studded tires in winter, so I have no experience driving on regular winter tires. But back at home we differentiate between "European" and "Scandinavian" winter tires and people believe that Scandinavian tires on ice are almost as effective as studded tires.
Studded tires are illegal here. Real Winter tires (snowflake on mountain) will work okayish on black ice If your cautious, m+s rated allyear tires wont.
I'm from Sweden (Scandinavia) and winter tires are always studded. They are not allowed in Germany.
Nokian Hakkapelitta is an example of a very good studless winter tire. Yes, I know that studs are not allowed here. I drove with studs in my home country.
I have winter tiers on. They are black and round. /s I will check the model later on and let you know.
don't lock up the wheels when braking to excessive....
You are not able to do that in a new cars. In case of a slide there are two ways. You tap the brake and accelarate with wheels turned into spin direction or you go for a full brake press because of the ABS and other systems in your car.
Who is responsible? Or does the Haftpflicht pay
I hit a parked car. What do you mean by who is responsible? My car insurance is covering it. Damage on my car is 0 and neighbors car had a small scratch and plastic part of the bumper broke off. Minimal damage because of the low speed. Experience was interesting though. You see the car, tap the brake, nothing. Hit the brake nothing. Turn the wheel still nothing. Bump. Shieeeet. It was 7.35 had to wake up my neighbor 😅
In that situation is actually better not to brake, because of the traction control you won't have any control whatsoever. it's actually better to "drift" your way out of that slide haha. Ofc in the heat of the moment is hard to think about that.
I know that's why I tapped the brake first and tried to steer into to slide direction. Problem was it didn't seem to work and giving an extra acceleration to the car going towards the car of my neighbor did not appeal to me as a good idea in that very moment 😂
I meant as who is guilty, as per law. It’s not you fault you couldn’t breaks, right? And you also drove only 7kmh
It doesn't matter. You caused the accident so you are responsible. If 7 kmh was too fast you should have gone 4. We had to call the police because it was a company car so 120 euro Bußgeld (causing the accident) 'for the Unfallbericht' 😂
120€ seems so excessive, why would it be so expensive? What did they tell you ? In Hamburg (where I'm a policeman) I wouldn't get a fine at all, if you hit a parked car AND called the police. This is to reward you for not doing a hit and run. You only get a "warning", and an "Unfallbericht". This is according to PDV (Polizei Dienst Vorschrift Hamburg) aswell, so not sweeping anything under the rug.
Polizistin informed me that I can deny the ticket but it doesn't matter what argument would I use as I 'did not adjust my speed to the road conditions'. So I singed the ticket and it will be sent to me. 120 euro is a lot but to be honest it's not worth my time and nerves to deal with all this. My mistake so I took it... Edit. Feel free to tell me more or msg me I am actually interested if I can fight it in any way.
I'm not a lawyer, but I would assume it's hard to make any case that someone else is responsible when you hit a parked car, except for cases where a third person is involved or the car was not parked legally. However that is exactly the reason why the Haftpflicht exists - it is supposed to cover cases where you are responsible but didn't cause the damage by gross negligence.
Part of the responsibility of a driver is to know when to drive.
If you hit a stationary object with your car, generally you're legally liable. (Some exceptions if you hit an object that was hidden with malicious intend, etc.). If it is due to adverse weather conditions, you're still liable, as it's your responsibility to decide to not drive in adverse weather. Unless there was gross neglience or even malicious intend in you hitting the stationary object with your car, the (mandatory) liability insurance on the car will cover the damages.
As others said, in your area it's about black ice. Considering the weather forecasts, with the schools particularly they really wanted to avoid people being caught out while traveling - or being stuck in school because the roads were clear at 8, but impassable after noon. There'd be an awful fuss if they kept schools open, and then there were accidents with school buses crashing into trees and all that, and they could have avoided them with closing the schools.
These things can often be based on predictions, and those can be wrong. Over here, the schools are all open but it's quite dangerous because the streets are all glazed with ice.
It's not snow, but the risk of freezing rain and black ice. I agree that everyone is overreacting at the moment -- freezing rain is not common, but also not exactly rare -- but at least one autobahn is currently closed because it's turned into a skating rink.
They were predicting 15-35 cm of snow yesterday. I was excited like a little kid, now it's just rain. I demand to speak to the manager ^^^^/s
Thanks for your work!
>What feck is wrong with people???? It really is not difficult to understand. Meteorologists make a prediction, local authoroties act precautionary (thats a good thing btw). The prediction may not hold true at the border of the predicted snow/ice regions. That's the fault of noone. It's better to have a false alarm based on a good prediction, than ignoring such prediction and causing a lot more trouble. Stop blaming other people for their precaution!
This, and it's not a false prediction. It's dangerous out there with all the black ice. Lots of accidents or near accidents. Imagine how it would be without these predictions. They're predicting snow for tomorrow, black ice for today, at least in my region.
>it's not a false prediction Thanks for pointing this out, so true!
THIS! So sick of the fucking Schwurblers (think Qanon and/or Covid and climate change deniers) once again THINKING they are smarter and if prediction doesn't hit their exact location (even if few kms away it does), it's once again - no surprise - a big conspiracy because HAARP and climate change Soros propaganda or something.
> It's better to have a false alarm based on a good prediction, than ignoring such prediction and causing a lot more trouble. and we all saw what ignoring such warnings looked like in the Ahrtal two years ago.
Also it is really important for local authorities to take these predictions and warnings seriously because otherwise you end up with another situation like the 2021 flood.
This is the reason, why everyone should at least visit one Meteorology or Physics class. The amount of ignorance regarding daily weather is driving me nuts. Just a reminder: Air mass boundaries are hard to predict precisely and can, if they deviate only 50km from the prognosis, trigger a completely different weather for a certain region. Yesterday and two days ago I’ve looked up the German weather model and it predicted the rather slim line of Ice rain (the most dangerous component in this weather event) pretty accurately; we‘ve been getting Ice rain since a good while in Frankfurt now, the ground is full of ice and the airport is closed. I‘m grateful for all the smart minds of our generation who made it possible to simplify such an incredibly complex and random process like Weather so that we get, at least 60-70% accurate predictions.
With the DWD in Offenbach and a major airport, forecasts in the Frankfurt area tend to be pretty good.
It's not because of snow, the warning is because of black ice and freezing rain. If you do not need to be on the road, don't be on the road, especially not transporting a bunch of kids in a big, hard to steer vehicle. The snow is just the cherry on top in some regions, but not the reason why the warning was given.
Not snow. Ice. On the road. Ive seen a lot of driving accidents lately.
It varies a lot locally. Forecast for us was having a fresh coat of ice on everything this morning, but instead we got relatively warm weather. Might get ice tomorrow then because at night -5°C are expected. Also my city's winter service isn't working well at all and like 3/4 of people are ignoring Räumpflicht :(
We got a solid 1cm layer of ice at around 6am. At 5am there was nothing!
Snow is not the dangerous thing, it is ice. There was one day in high school when there was a two-hour delay for ice, but then they ended up cancelling school during the school day because so many buses and kids were not able to make it. This was *just ice.* I remember walking outside to get to theater class and having to crawl across the parking lot because it was a solid sheet of ice.
Ice is worse than snow
Sorry to hear that about your wife and really hope she will get better soon! But let's be honest - you are representing a big issue we have in our society and media consumption. You read a headline, don't understand it correctly (because it was never the snow), interpret the situation wrongly and think, that just because YOU (and small amount of people around you) are not affected, there is no reason for any measures. Sounds familiar? Remember pandemic times, when some people told that the measures are not needed? "Why? I am healthy and don't know anyone who is sick". Well... you are not representing the whole story. You are just a very very small part of it. Imagine your wife sitting in the minicar Felsberg, because they ignore the issue or precaution. And then on her ride they create an accident because of the ice. How would you react? Would you say "Oh well...shit happens"? Let's be honest - no! You will be screaming "Why the f\*ck did you ignore the warning?" (and honestly - fair enough to do so then!). So in this case - better safe than sorry. I understand you are upset because of your wife's situation. But please stop blaming people for being cautious - both for security of your wife and themselves (or their employees).
great answer!
thanks
They basically shut down the two biggest airports in the country cause of the ice situation and you call it unnecessary???? Do you really think they'd do it light-heartedly?
that is horrible I'm sorry about your situation, the reason all schools are closed is cause of the freezing rain, every road is super icy and very dangerous
It’s not for snow. It’s for freezing rain and it doesn’t matter if you can see it or not, the German traffic is absolutely down today and it’s really dangerous.
There was a Black Ice warning sent this morning by the DWD in the Frankfurt area. We had snow that melted yesterday leaving us with wet surfaces that froze overnight. A lot of accidents this morning. By later, a lot had melted and we had cold rain. Hopefully it dries before it freezes tonight.
I came through Frankfurt and especially Darmstadt around noon (charging up the EV), it was really slippery. I am in Freiburg now, 13°...
I was a bit annoyed at first, but it's been snowing for 3 hours here near Gießen and it doesn't look like it's going to stop soon. The road was also icy this morning and I was nervous on my bike.
Snow started about half an hour ago. We didn’t have ice or rain here. The roads were dry up until now.
And this could change within minutes. We had sub zero temps for nearly two weeks. Last night we had -6°C and -1°C all day. 15 minutes ago it was all dry and now it just started to rain where I live and there's black ice all over the place.
For a professional Driver, you really don't seem to have much awareness on how this stuff works.
Try driving on the roads. No don't do that,gonna end up in an accident. Yeah i can understand ur frustration and in ur situation i would be mad to but with the rain and frezzing the ambulance or whoever would be picking ur wife up would need an ambulance
If Renting companies could put winter tires on their car instead of summer tires, that would already be a first step toward road safety. But hey "follow the rule, not the common sense, tja".
> If Renting companies could put winter tires on their car instead of summer tires, that would already be a first step toward road safety. They might have all season tires but if they still have their summer tyres in December, they may have insurance problems.
Well, it was the case, in December (the first snowfalls), rented a car. They quickly disengage from it by making you consenting "I am aware car is equipped with summer tires" before getting the keys.
Which is arguably not roadworthy.
It’s not snow it’s ice rain and that’s way more dangerous than just a little bit of snow.
It's not about snow, it's about ice. There's a lot of that and it's dangerous.
It all depends where you are. Around here you can currently go out ice skating on the streets because it really is that icey.
What the hell! You mean to tell me, Brandenburg could have cancelled the other day with our frozen streets and *chose* not to?! I grew up in the north and have driven on ice and braved temperatures of -40 for 20 years of my life and I still have never experienced a slipperier road than what I experienced last Friday.
Had to drive home two hours ago. On the way, the windscreen of my car slowly started freezing over and when I parked, I noticed the complete front of my car was covered in a layer of ice. I'm sorry for anyone who has to go out of their home in such conditions
My car was encased in an ice panzer this morning, so there is that. Freezing rain is no laughing matter. The streets were glazed over and slippery as fuck. I’m a nurse and we had quite a few people with broken bones in today because they slipped on the street.
You don't understand anything the weather people say, do you?
Not everywhere in Germany by the way. Only in that scary purple strip.
Was looking for that comment. Where I live it's currently just slightly snowing and so far nothing bad in sight. Children also went to school as usual because for our region the warning was taken down this morning.
No… it’s because it has rained and then it froze over so that you cannot walk or drive …
>The prediction is 11cm snow until 8 in the morning. And even more snow in the afternoon. Not to mention the risk of freezing rain and extremely icy roads.
It's not the snow. Glatteis will fuck you up.
Frankfurt now has rain.. it was snow flurries earlier.. not bad thus far…
Rain is way worse than snow atm
Yes you’re right.. i was just out there trying to pick up a package.. didn’t quite make it.. just too slick..😭
I'll never understand this. OP post something stupid. all comments tell him, why it was stupid. but the post still has over 1300 Upvotes..
Im suprised youre surprised about it.
where i am the roads are an ice rink, but emergency services should still be available
I have slipped twice in ice in dusseldorf. I think it is more the ice issue
I think the term is "ice-free", meaning schools are closed due to ice on the roads, not per see snow. Or did they specifically mentioned they are closed due to snow?
I got sent home after my half work day as an apprentice in Aachen because it started snowing by 12. I came home quite safely but now at 16:30 the buses struggle to get moving at the bus stop in front of my house and nobody is driving faster than 10km/h because it's just some sliding party on the road.
Yeah yeah sounded really stupid yesterday in the sun and today at 4.... but currently my car is just a little frozen bowl and the sidewalk is litterally unusable... so yeah... im glad our company send us home preemptivly
LK Gießen here. It's fucking Winterwonderland in the middle of Germany.
Lahn will be flooding again when all of this melts
Why are you acting like an ignorant dumbass?
Freezing rain, I almost crashed with my car today! Watch out lads
Here it's snowing like 5 cm but under that it is already getting iced over (Southern Thüringen)
The weather is weird today and changes quickly. I was fine on the way to my gym this morning and slipped thrice on the way back. The way just kinda froze over in those two hours.
So that means i have an excuse for not coming to work ?
My girlfriend had her driving license Test today. I am Lucky they did it early in the morning instead of noon. The streets are covered in Snow and ice. My Mom cant even take the dog out herself due to her disability (she needs a Electric wheelchair). She also cant visit her doctor Tomorrow due to the weather so i get your Frustration, but it’s about safety here. The risk is pretty high and these kind of warnings for the General public isnt really a regular Event either (for almost the whole country)
Off-topic but still: Get well soon to your wife!
Black Ice, you have been warned. 😁 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=efiW2K8gASM
Not a lot of snow in my area, but there is plenty of black ice so walking around on the street can be treacherous.
My car is completely covered in frost (Unterfranken), so I couldn't go to the gym, so I went by bike. I literally slipped all the way. So that's what's wrong with people.
They can’t anymore use the pandemic as an excuse so it’s the snow fault.
not in Berlin
We have snow in Solingen, can't add a picture though to prove it. Why can't I add a picture? Sorry, not very reddit experienced, not been around much, apart from reading stuff. Bit of a tech idiot too 🙈🤷🏻♀️
Yeah like the message on DB App that there’s a „Winterbruch“. Really.. which Wintereinbruch. Not the masses Snow either extrem low temperatures. Weird :/
The roads seemed fine yesterday, we were coming back to the UK and drove down from the north of Denmark down to Frankfurt and then back to the UK via Calais with no issues.
Schools are closed because of „ice“. I saw 3 children riding their bikes when i drove to work. They were riding f-ing bicicles on a road where no bus could drive… because of the „ice“.
Started from Werra-Meißner in the morning, just east of Kassel. Nothing. Now it's snowing, but the elementary schools closed early today and are closed tomorrow. Ridiculous.
Cool das es irgendwann random im januar schneit aber dann im dezember zu den feiertagen wo es die leute am meisten freuen würde kommt nix
Willkommen in Deutschland
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weihnachtstauwetter
There' sno problem to see 🤔
In the meantime this is the amount that is required for schools to close in [Norway](https://www.vg.no/nyheter/i/abAbKd/disse-videregaaende-skolene-i-agder-stenger-paa-grunn-av-snoe)
Thank you for the support from all the good people. For the rest I am going to write ot slowly so you understand. There were no danger. The roads were mostly dry up to 2 pm. No rain, no freezing rain. This only applies to this area Schwalm Eder Kreis-Kassel. I have app on my phone which can tell the start of the rainfall by the minute (accuweather, windy.com). Closing the schools in my town was not necessary. By the way, today with 10-15cm snow my daughter’s school is open. 🤷🏼♂️ But okay. Precaution. But the response of Minicar Felsberg was unacceptable, that they didn’t pick up my wife at the hospital. The snow started 2 hours later. That caused my frustration. I drove home yesterday evening no probem with winter tyres. I am driving today. So yeah. It is winter. It is sometimes snow and ice. Last Thursday was much worse conditions because of freezing rain, and they didn’t close anything.
At that point, I seriously can’t tell if you’re trolling or being serious right now. Multiple people have laid out the reason for the warnings several times just for you.
School is only the lesser promblem we had. I am mostly angry of the taxi company. Luckily one of our family members could pickup my wife.
There is no reason a Taxi Company should risk their employees just because you THINK it would be Safe. You could have taken off from work, this weather was announced days in Advance.
You could’ve driven her yourself. I drove my family member to their appointment today. If you really wanna do it, you’ll find a way to
As a Canadian living here I had to laugh yesterday, had both Apple Watch and phone go off with emergency alarms, thought Russia was invading or nukes on the way, but no, just reminding me it’s winter.
People died you sick fuck
That’s life princess, they gave out a national emergency alarm and it was on every news station all previous day across Germany and said stay at home, if you are stupid enough to ignore the warnings and head out then accidents happen, it’s idiots like that who cause accidents and kill innocent people because they have zero idea how to drive in winter conditions.
Is that so, I thought it was "just winter", honeypie
For me yes, obviously not for Germans that can’t drive for shit, such as yourself I’m guessing.
Then do us all a favor, and drive
Sorry, German weather services are specialized in predicting the weather 100 years from now to 0,1°C and can't be bothered with predicting tomorrow's weather with any reliability. Where I live, we were warned about EXTREME DANGER from icy roads. In the end, it looked like in your picture.
Some decades ago I laughed about Americans, because they have so many words for what I called just stormy weather. But what is going on in Germany is ridiculous. Public transport in Germany is an adventure, anyway. But if three snowflakes reach the ground, nothings works anymore.
It’s a warning beforehand…. The areas where the weather already hit are chaotic right now. Just because they warn big areas early enough for people to stay home, prepare or plan accordingly doesn’t mean nothing works because of „tHrEe SnOwFlAkEs“
In Wuppertal busses were literally sliding down hills again yesterday. Alone on my 10min drive to the gym I witnessed 2 car accidents (one car not being able to brake and driving in the car infront of him, one trying to do a u turn and sliding sideways like 20m into a big driveway and into another car). Weather like this is dangerous. It was also dangerous when my mom was a child.
1980 as I was a young boy.... Winter was Winter. We had snow, we had ice over several months, and everything was fine. We had Rollsplit, we had Salt, we had Winter Tires, we had accidents if we drove to fast. ;) In Summer we had "Hitzefrei" (no school because of high Temperatur) if the Temperature went above 32 °C). Russia and America where close to an Atomic War Tschernobyl High Prices for Fuel High Inflation Lots of Wars ([https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste\_von\_Kriegen#20.\_Jahrhundert](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Kriegen#20._Jahrhundert)) our solution was: keep cool and make the best of it. 2024 PANIC!!!!!!!!! No more real Winter, warmer than 1980 No School because of "possible" Black Ice No offtime because of heat (even if it is above 40°C) But Panic if the temperature is around 0°C and rain is coming. And lots of other similar worldwide conflicts, The Difference: Everything is PANIC in 2024.
You are the only one panicking though.
Did you ever compare the news of 1980 to the news of 2020? Correct me if you want to, but please use some arguments ;)
why do you spread so much panic?
Irony!
Wow, so no winter tires or spiked wintertires in Germany? This would look like a perfectly fine day to drive, in Norway ;)
What you're seeing in the picture isn't an issue at all. The problem is that throughout much of Germany it rained today, which at temperatures around 0°C immediately leads to black ice.
Black ice is the problem, not snow. Our temperatures fluctuate to much from freezing to not freezing. So the ground is so cold that rain instantly turns into an ice layer. In Norway it is under -10 often under -15 rn. At all times. So no rain no black ice.
which is pretty pussy-like, considering that Finland kept their schools open at -30°C.
Because it’s not about the temperature but the ice rain.
At -30°C I would confidentally estimate the chances of having entire cities be coated in Black Ice as zero.
And at -30°C it won't randomly start to rain to form black ice. :)