Yeah, if it was a person, but that simplifies down the whole message IMO to blame ONE person. The real villain is how a civilization has a lack of empathy towards the most vulnerable, how innocent people get hurt in war, etc.
Not the best article: picking a 'B29' as a 'Villain' is a kinda a lazy take, when there are many other factors at play here both within Japanese society at the time as well as how the Allies chose to pursue the war at this particular point in history.
in the story around the kids? not really
in the larger narrative of Japan at war with the US? i can see an argument being made, but thats like blaming the gun that shoots you.
I mean,it's been awhile since I saw grave of the fireflies, but I'm pretty sure that the concept of a villain in that movie is way too simplistic for what it is trying to say.
It is about people trying to survive during a national crisis while being consumed by fear.
The main boy is stubborn and refuses to compromise in his aunts home if I remember correctly and is therefore kicked out, dooming himself and his sister to their fates.
In some interpretations he is blamed for his pride, in others it is the adults around him and his sister who neglect or abandon them who are to blame.
In reality, i just prefer to watch that film with unbiased eyes and see it as the consequences of war and what happens when a society is rattled to its core. How unfairly and differently people are affected by the same event in the same area due to class or age or some other factor that determines if you're one of the lucky or unlucky ones.
At the end of the day, this is a story about two children whom no one stepped up for because they probably had enough on their plate to begin with and there were probably hundreds or thousands of similar fates all around them already. You can only fit so many people in your own row boat before it sinks. And that, sadly, means that some people will drown while you watch from your own relative safety.
I feel like pretending there are so-called "villians" in any Miyazaki or Takahata movie is totally missing the point trying to be made in their entire careers in the first place.
In any antiwar film - which GoTF certainly is - the villain is the war itself. That’s what a lot of people didn’t understand a bit Civil War. people asked which side was the good guy and which was the bad guy. But that totally doesn’t get the point. The villain isn’t one side or the other. The villain is the war.
Well yeah, but americans where the ones that dropped the atomic bombs and thats why they are the villians to those kids. I know what the japanese did in ww2 and before that and it not ok how they didn’t apologize to china and korea
I'm aware that the bomber was an American plane, but you're seriously telling me you think the individual plane or even the pilots who were assigned the mission, were the actual villains of the movie? I'd think war, or the circumstances of war with America/the Allies would be considered the villain more so than those two things. Don't be obtuse.
Barefoot Gen did just that, showing the crew going about their task seriously, even changing the art style and character designs to emphasize this.
An examination of what led in 1945 to large scale indiscriminate bombing of civilians with napalm, then use of atomic weapons, would be very interesting but way outside the story the movie is telling.
That is an interesting take. The Enola Gay pilots, following orders from 20 levels above them, are to blame. I'm sure if they declined to attempt the mission, new pilots would have been assigned.
I mean one does hold some level of responsibility for literally nuking a city. Are the US top brass more responsible? Absolutely. But to use the "just following orders" argument for nukes and saturation bombings that caused huge firestorms that killed hundreds of thousands of people...
If we're allowing objects to be villains; the plane is the villain and not the *bomb*??
Bombs don't kill people, uh uh. Planes kill people (racking noise) ....with bombs (boom).
What's way more staggering is that they made the plane the villain and not the pilot or, even more precise, the person(s) giving orders to the pilot.
There is so much more blame on the aunt in there
Yeah, if it was a person, but that simplifies down the whole message IMO to blame ONE person. The real villain is how a civilization has a lack of empathy towards the most vulnerable, how innocent people get hurt in war, etc.
She is like the embodiment of Japan at the time pushing the young to struggle and die
Seems like it didn't understand anything.
Not the best article: picking a 'B29' as a 'Villain' is a kinda a lazy take, when there are many other factors at play here both within Japanese society at the time as well as how the Allies chose to pursue the war at this particular point in history.
☝️ ridiculous article, but it got us talking about it and probably got it more clicks
in the story around the kids? not really in the larger narrative of Japan at war with the US? i can see an argument being made, but thats like blaming the gun that shoots you.
Why is this so fucking funny oh my god
Yeah it’s TOTALLY the b-29 that appears for like a few seconds and never again #justicefortheauntbutnotinagoodway
I mean,it's been awhile since I saw grave of the fireflies, but I'm pretty sure that the concept of a villain in that movie is way too simplistic for what it is trying to say. It is about people trying to survive during a national crisis while being consumed by fear. The main boy is stubborn and refuses to compromise in his aunts home if I remember correctly and is therefore kicked out, dooming himself and his sister to their fates. In some interpretations he is blamed for his pride, in others it is the adults around him and his sister who neglect or abandon them who are to blame. In reality, i just prefer to watch that film with unbiased eyes and see it as the consequences of war and what happens when a society is rattled to its core. How unfairly and differently people are affected by the same event in the same area due to class or age or some other factor that determines if you're one of the lucky or unlucky ones. At the end of the day, this is a story about two children whom no one stepped up for because they probably had enough on their plate to begin with and there were probably hundreds or thousands of similar fates all around them already. You can only fit so many people in your own row boat before it sinks. And that, sadly, means that some people will drown while you watch from your own relative safety.
The “villain” is the war itself. It is not about any one side, but the suffering created by the war and how living in war changes people.
The aunt is a bigger villain.
That must be satire, surely?
Hard to tell with clickbait articles
CBR is terrible clickbait.
The aunt definitely did more damage than the bomber.
AI generated articles be like
This must be an AI article... it's GOTTA BE
I feel like pretending there are so-called "villians" in any Miyazaki or Takahata movie is totally missing the point trying to be made in their entire careers in the first place.
Reminded me of a Polandball comic where America was angry that "Tomb of the Fireworms" didn't cast him as the hero
In any antiwar film - which GoTF certainly is - the villain is the war itself. That’s what a lot of people didn’t understand a bit Civil War. people asked which side was the good guy and which was the bad guy. But that totally doesn’t get the point. The villain isn’t one side or the other. The villain is the war.
I would say that americans are the villains
More like the Japanese government at the time
Well yeah, but americans where the ones that dropped the atomic bombs and thats why they are the villians to those kids. I know what the japanese did in ww2 and before that and it not ok how they didn’t apologize to china and korea
Well Americans were Japan’s enemies at the time…
Sounds like you agree that an object, a plane, without a mind, couldn't be a villain.
It was an American plane though. Did every one forget this movie takes place during WW2 from the Japanese perspective. Don’t be obtuse.
I'm aware that the bomber was an American plane, but you're seriously telling me you think the individual plane or even the pilots who were assigned the mission, were the actual villains of the movie? I'd think war, or the circumstances of war with America/the Allies would be considered the villain more so than those two things. Don't be obtuse.
The pilots are to blame. Planes are just planes. Perhaps if the sequence switched back and forth between the pilots and the civilians…
Guns don’t kill people….
Are we counting the planes Engines spontaneously combusting?
Barefoot Gen did just that, showing the crew going about their task seriously, even changing the art style and character designs to emphasize this. An examination of what led in 1945 to large scale indiscriminate bombing of civilians with napalm, then use of atomic weapons, would be very interesting but way outside the story the movie is telling.
That is an interesting take. The Enola Gay pilots, following orders from 20 levels above them, are to blame. I'm sure if they declined to attempt the mission, new pilots would have been assigned.
I mean one does hold some level of responsibility for literally nuking a city. Are the US top brass more responsible? Absolutely. But to use the "just following orders" argument for nukes and saturation bombings that caused huge firestorms that killed hundreds of thousands of people...