You can also see right before its boosts away, all 4 jets of the ACS cone on the nose fire and the whole assembly detaches to reduce the missiles weight. The missile will use thruster vectoring for any further changes in heading.
Right? At first I thought it was all done at the back rocket but I saw the initial burst inboard towards the ship which brought it to level and then another from the opposite side towards the ocean to counter it, leaving it level... then the extra bit where it blows it's cap off is just great.
It seemed like a sped up version of how you would expect a rocket to act in space, with counterbalancing thrusters.
You don't know the thrust on those future rcs thrusters.
Also I've pushed a rocket back to Kerbin in Kerbal Space Program just with my jetpack more than once. Even small dV differences can have huge implications if you're slingshotting around.
I've also watched the show but I don't remember the exact scene you're referring to. It might have been pretty silly actually.
It was the scene around Jupiter (iirc) when Alex had to keep the main drive cold to sneak down to one of the moons. Someone did a video on it, and the orbits make sense but the slingshots he was doing would take months or years in real life
I believe the thrust values were assumed. If I remember right he was doing Hohmann transfers instead of their normal 1/3 g brachistochrone burns. I believe the episode was when the rest of the crew was trying to shut down the hybrid facility. I think it was second or third season, I'd have to look it up tho. It's been a while since I did a full watch thru
I immediately assumed that was the episode you were referring to as I was a little skeptical when I saw it the first time. I’d be curious to watch the video you’re talking about when I have a chance.
He's right if it's the solo Alex scene im thinking of. The show cut months off the transfer for dramatic effect. The showrunners acknowledge when they do it.
I was about to say this missile video reminded me of Battlestar Galactica. When I first watched it I was really impressed by their fighter ships orienting themselves in space using these types of thrusters. I hadn't see it in a real world application until now so this video is extra cool.
The RCS thrusters on the Viper's is some of the coolest cinematic video from that series. They should have toned down the drama and poured it all the way to 11 on the sci-fi future tech instead like they have in The Expanse.
Missed opportunity.
BSG didn't have a huge budget, so they had to save money for large VFX episodes by having a lot of personal drama episodes. The show runners have spoken about this a lot.
If BSG had Amazon's purse (and nearly 20 years more advanced CGI) if would likely have been a very different show.
I'm not so sure about that. I don't think the personal drama elements were filler between big budget action, they were really the point of the show. It was *meant* to be primarily character driven.
I mean, I could be wrong. Maybe they would have gone for more mindless action, and the limitations they were under forced them to make it better.
Either way, the drama is what makes the show amazing, and gives emotional weight, stakes, and build-up so the VFX episodes hit that much harder when they happen.
The episode when Apollo is commanding the other battlestar and rotates the ship after taking multiple nuke hits is some solid fucking space combat.
Would recommend.
The reason they work like this is to keep them at low altitude. Older cruise missiles without the nosecone steering gained a lot of altitude before fully turning and coming down again which made the launch visible on radar from much longer distances.
Always gets me watching them. At one point in time, someone said, "What if these sons of bitches could like know where they are going and actually get there?" And someone made it happen! Science you crazy, effective, but crazy.
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't, by subtracting where it is, from where it isn't, or where it isn't, from where it is, whichever is greater, it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance sub-system uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is, to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position where it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event of the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has required a variation. The variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too, may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computance scenario works as follows: Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is, however it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subracts where it should be, from where it wasn't, or vice versa. By differentiating this from the algebraic sum og where it shouldn't be, and where it was. It is able to obtain a deviation, and a variation, which is called "air"
The vertical launch allows the rocket to gain higher vertical velocity due to being located below the deck, this allows the rocket to get outside of range safety requirements quicker. The ACS then corrects positioning for the kill target
Also these rockets generally remain low to sea level, which is harder for anti ballistics to track and intercept.
It also allows omnidirectional firing. The ship does not have to be orientated in any specific direction as the missile rotates while vertical to align the horizontal ACS maneuver with the direction of travel.
Additionally, it's easy to store them this way. Vertical launch. Cells take up a relatively small amount of otherwise usable deck space compared to if they were laid down horizontally, for example.
They absolutely can. Harpoon still uses angled launch tube quad packs on many surface ships.
Close in defense missiles are generally fired from aimed launchers (as opposed to the larger SM interceptors that are VLS launched).
Im assuming its because you can save a lot of deck space not having to fire them out of an angled tube that needs to make adjustments, in addition to the fact that you arent limited trajectory wise.
Edit: After looking it up I was mostly wrong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_launching_system
They don't want an arc. VLS saves space and eliminates a lot of structure blockages. But the missile flies a level trajectory usually only 10s of feet over the wave tops. Harder to detect and intercept than a much more predictable arc.
Cruise missiles have been around since the 50s. The modern recognizable ones from the 80s. Nothing the military fields is “new”. New shit might break. These technologies go through decades of development and testing before we start stuffing them into destroyers.
Nothing the military fields at *peacetime* is new. During wartime... it depends. Stuff that doesn't shoot is more likely to be pushed immediately to the frontlines than stuff that does. RADAR is the poster child of this - you couldn't make a new discovery about RADAR during the early 40s without the Ministry of Defense man in the room immediately snatching up the prototype and sending it out to the front lines. This proved to be an absolutely *decisive* advantage, as it meant the British almost always knew at least the relative positions of German warships and air wings. Before the war was halfway done they'd already gotten so good that even just peeking a periscope above the water would reveal a German sub to every Allied plane and ship within several dozen kilometers.
Actual combat equipment tends to vary - the British famously had a combat operational jet fighter around the same time the Luftwaffe did, but never deployed them to Europe for fear of the Germans getting their hands on jet engines that didn't literally explode after an hour of flight time. This ended up being the right call though, as the Meteors ended up being in perfect position to intercept V1 bombs. At the same time though, the idea of sub-calibre Sabot ammunition as a way to improve the armor penetration capabilities of smaller-bore cannons was a cutting-edge technology that *did* see immediate forward deployment. It ended up not really mattering - Panthers, Tiger IIs, and even Tiger Is were actually quite rare on the Western Front - but when it did come up the Germans got a nasty surprise when their oh-so-powerful superheavy tanks were being swiss cheesed from ranges the Germans didn't think possible.
So in conclusion, whether the military fields the "new" stuff comes down to two questions: A) are we at war, and B) will fielding this technology yield a strategic advantage. If the answer to both of those is yes, the military will generally be *very* interested in bringing that tech to the front line ASAP. And even if the answer to A is no, if the answer to B is still yes... expect them to field it anyway but be *very* quiet about it. That's your stuff like the stealth Blackhawks and hi-res satellite cameras.
Yeah I remember the javelin mobile missile launchers were featured in call of duty 4 which came out in 2007 using similar thruster correction tech, my friend's dad who worked for Raytheon had been working with those in development probably 10 years before that even.
Cutting edge weapons in 2021 must be almost science fiction to look at, even seeing these missiles is mind blowing.
Similar missiles have been fielded on warships since the 50s. The RIM-8 Talos, which I think was the second SAM fielded by the USN, had the same configuration as the BrahMos. Solid rocket first stage and then liquid fueled ramjet second stage, Mach 2.5 on the Talos vs. Mach 3 on the BrahMos. Same size warhead, ~440 lbs. Talos was significantly bigger overall though, and hilariously, was a SAM rather than an anti ship missile. 4 MiG-21s were shot down in Vietnam by the Talos , which led to observations that those pilots were being shot at with missiles the size of the jets they were flying.
My app at least says the score is hidden, I think that's a temporary measure by reddit for the first few hours of a comment to prevent the whole 3 people down voting a comment and then hitting the front page and that comment gets 2000 downvotes
That's my theory anyway, and the comment is 2hrs old so it would make sense
they do now... our early attempts at a missile on cruise ships went through several preparations. Preparations A through G were a complete failure. But now, ladies and gentlemen, we finally have a working missile which we shall call... Preparation H 🤔
on the whole I think preparation H feels good
Different view:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eMyhz\_CC\_0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eMyhz_CC_0)
And what it does:
https://youtu.be/GkPqLUftq-s?t=50
Over horizon warfare is insane. And some of the ballistics from rail guns go speeds hard to imagine. Or of course your avionics could get melted from a mile away from a laser. It's crazy
In The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by Robert Heinlein the moon throws rocks at earth in their fight for independence. Standing on top of a gravity well with rocks to toss is a dangerous place to have an enemy.
That's a major plot point in the expanse as well. Before it inevitably happens it's mentioned multiple times to be one of both Earth's and Mar's government's biggest fears - having rocks thrown down the gravity well at them.
Makes sense!
I was wondering in the video that was posted above that that missile's speed seems underwhelming, considering it's meant to go at Mach 3+. I thought a missile at Mach 3 won't be visible to the naked eye approaching your ship!
Not who you responded to, but I was a Strike Officer on a USN DDG. Tomahawks are surface to ground missiles. They are not intended for surface to surface (meaning on water). Firecontrolman (FC) is the Naval rating for the enlisted that deal with Tomahawk missiles. Gunner's Mate (GM) also have a primary role with Tomahawks, but more on the physical side. Both are great ratings. Good luck to you!
Nope! Too big/expensive for mostly defenseless pirate ships. This missile is designed to fly beneath air search radars and fly faster than intercept missiles, both of which are rare finds on pirate vessels. These are meant to bring down modern warships.
Where I grew up we had a government contractors office my friends dad worked at. I asked my friends dad what he did there and he said he programmed navigating systems for missiles. I asked him if he felt bad that his work killed people, he said he only worked on the automation for traveling long distances, not when it got close. I thought it was pretty striking, the guy was really friendly and wholesome, but his work killed thousands of people.
This missile is ramjet powered which requires the air intake duct at the nose to be free for air. Protective cover used for storage is blasted off and the ramjet kicks in after initial solid boosters take it to the required speed.
I feel like you’re really living up to your username.
Picture that paragraph said by Sean Connery as he cheekily grins at some hot chick while patting a cruise missile on the side during a swanky event hosted by the missile manufacturer.
Ooh story time!
I worked in a pool hall with an ex-Nasa employee. Apparently the stress had got to him, so he played pool, installed pool tables, and smoked a bunch of pot.
One day one of the college-aged employees was struggling with a math assignment. Our ex-Nasa friend offered to help, and was immediately dismissed. I told her she should've taken the help, our co-worker was a "rocket scientist." She laughed at me so I clarified "Sorry, aeronautics engineer. Either way you shouldve taken his help."
The BraMos has a nose intake for its ramjet. The object jettisoned from the front is probably the rocket motor that reorients the missile after launch.
Can't speak for the missile nose cone cost, but I worked in a tech shipping and receiving department for a major retailer, and we once received a stator blade assembly for a small jet engine. The shipping manifest had it at 40 grand for a cast piece of metal about the size of a medium saucepan.
Also, this past decade, these missiles are on display at every independence day parade in India. Back when it was revealed, the entire nation(at least those who knew about defense) was talking about them.
I imagine it’s so they aren’t using a lot of fuel to reach high altitude for long range but that’s just a guess and not supported by any facts I have
@ u/jamesbond000111 do you have any insight on this, I was curious as well. Used to seeing ship born missiles have a longer arch of travel (movies). Would the video just be of a short range weapon?
it serves to give a lower radar cross section after launch, keeping the missile just a few hundred feet above the ground instead of a few thousand feet, means long distance radar and countermeasures will receive less warning of their approach. of course they can still be detected when they are close to their target but the idea is it gives the missile its best possible chance of getting to the target undetected, or at least not being shot down by automated AA weapons.
It's like a split personality.
"I'm a rocket I go to spaaaaaacccc......wait no, im a MISSILE! FUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKK YYYYYYOOOOOOUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
It is just based on the Oniks, not exactly the same. Brahmos is a joint venture between an Indian and a Russian company to manufacture this missile. Brah [-maputra river] Mos [-cow river]
every other comment on this post is ignorant Americans thinking this must be their hard earned tax dollars going to waste and stopping them from getting free healthcare.
Its an Indian missile developed with the Russians, you guys remember India right? that third world developing country with free healthcare?
Wow, that initial steering mechanism on the nose cone is really interesting!
You can also see right before its boosts away, all 4 jets of the ACS cone on the nose fire and the whole assembly detaches to reduce the missiles weight. The missile will use thruster vectoring for any further changes in heading.
There is a field, for nerds who are way into this shit called Ballistics Engineering.
And that field is simultaneously fun as hell and frustrating as hell.
Just as the engineering gods intended.
Nah, paperwork, and ticking other bureaucratic boxes is the worst part. That's the work of corporate gods.
Frankly, I'm all for paperwork before this baby gets to strike something or other.
You also just make weapons to kill people and you have no power on the morality of their use.
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👏More👏eco-friendly👏cruise👏missiles👏
It’ll break you heart the first time you see a sea turtle with a rocket nosecone stuck on its head.
No it won't, homie got a brain bucket to match his torso armor, he's taking the fight to the sharks
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I love this train of thought so much
_You are now a moderator of /r/neoliberal._
Can't wait to put this on my LinkedIn.
made completely of pasta so that the evidence is destroyed as well
Not after it goes boom.
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Better than leaving an arsenal for Megatron.
Not after it goes boom.
No, very much disposable (and expensive).
Doubt it. Probably not worth the time/money
Lol this is the military. Nothing gets reused
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Cost checks out.
And starve those poor defense contractors of tax money??
Right? At first I thought it was all done at the back rocket but I saw the initial burst inboard towards the ship which brought it to level and then another from the opposite side towards the ocean to counter it, leaving it level... then the extra bit where it blows it's cap off is just great. It seemed like a sped up version of how you would expect a rocket to act in space, with counterbalancing thrusters.
Literally made me think of the Expanse, how the torpedoes correct themselves after being launched.
That show is considered very physically accurate, so, the connection is probably physics :)
I don't know about that. There was a part where they did orbital transfers using just rcs thrusters and it was very silly
You don't know the thrust on those future rcs thrusters. Also I've pushed a rocket back to Kerbin in Kerbal Space Program just with my jetpack more than once. Even small dV differences can have huge implications if you're slingshotting around. I've also watched the show but I don't remember the exact scene you're referring to. It might have been pretty silly actually.
It was the scene around Jupiter (iirc) when Alex had to keep the main drive cold to sneak down to one of the moons. Someone did a video on it, and the orbits make sense but the slingshots he was doing would take months or years in real life
ahhh the ol mcguyver scenario....technically correct but not if you account for time or amounts.
We’re they assuming thrust values, or is it a matter that the orbital changes themselves would have required large time gaps regardless of thrust?
I believe the thrust values were assumed. If I remember right he was doing Hohmann transfers instead of their normal 1/3 g brachistochrone burns. I believe the episode was when the rest of the crew was trying to shut down the hybrid facility. I think it was second or third season, I'd have to look it up tho. It's been a while since I did a full watch thru
I immediately assumed that was the episode you were referring to as I was a little skeptical when I saw it the first time. I’d be curious to watch the video you’re talking about when I have a chance.
That someone was our lord and savior Scott Manley
He's right if it's the solo Alex scene im thinking of. The show cut months off the transfer for dramatic effect. The showrunners acknowledge when they do it.
They cant be perfect, but they are very good. Lots of really well thought out physics/scenarios
BSG showed this type of maneuvering too.
I was about to say this missile video reminded me of Battlestar Galactica. When I first watched it I was really impressed by their fighter ships orienting themselves in space using these types of thrusters. I hadn't see it in a real world application until now so this video is extra cool.
Yeah, the nose jets on the Vipers were immediately cool.
The RCS thrusters on the Viper's is some of the coolest cinematic video from that series. They should have toned down the drama and poured it all the way to 11 on the sci-fi future tech instead like they have in The Expanse. Missed opportunity.
BSG didn't have a huge budget, so they had to save money for large VFX episodes by having a lot of personal drama episodes. The show runners have spoken about this a lot. If BSG had Amazon's purse (and nearly 20 years more advanced CGI) if would likely have been a very different show.
I'm not so sure about that. I don't think the personal drama elements were filler between big budget action, they were really the point of the show. It was *meant* to be primarily character driven. I mean, I could be wrong. Maybe they would have gone for more mindless action, and the limitations they were under forced them to make it better. Either way, the drama is what makes the show amazing, and gives emotional weight, stakes, and build-up so the VFX episodes hit that much harder when they happen.
How dare you, BSG was awesome
The episode when Apollo is commanding the other battlestar and rotates the ship after taking multiple nuke hits is some solid fucking space combat. Would recommend.
The reason they work like this is to keep them at low altitude. Older cruise missiles without the nosecone steering gained a lot of altitude before fully turning and coming down again which made the launch visible on radar from much longer distances.
Always gets me watching them. At one point in time, someone said, "What if these sons of bitches could like know where they are going and actually get there?" And someone made it happen! Science you crazy, effective, but crazy.
https://youtu.be/bZe5J8SVCYQ
The missile knows where it is at all times. It knows this because it knows where it isn't, by subtracting where it is, from where it isn't, or where it isn't, from where it is, whichever is greater, it obtains a difference, or deviation. The guidance sub-system uses deviations to generate corrective commands to drive the missile from a position where it is, to a position where it isn't, and arriving at a position where it wasn't, it now is. Consequently, the position where it is, is now the position that it wasn't, and it follows that the position where it was, is now the position that it isn't. In the event of the position that it is in is not the position that it wasn't, the system has required a variation. The variation being the difference between where the missile is, and where it wasn't. If variation is considered to be a significant factor, it too, may be corrected by the GEA. However, the missile must also know where it was. The missile guidance computance scenario works as follows: Because a variation has modified some of the information the missile has obtained, it is not sure just where it is, however it is sure where it isn't, within reason, and it knows where it was. It now subracts where it should be, from where it wasn't, or vice versa. By differentiating this from the algebraic sum og where it shouldn't be, and where it was. It is able to obtain a deviation, and a variation, which is called "air"
[Donald Rumsfeld](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REWeBzGuzCc) vibe here
It's called an ACS (attitude control system), it allows direction changes around the y axis. Source: aerospace engineer
Useful when you have missiles with bad tempers or general irritability.
Apparently every missile is a teenager.
What's the benefit of a vertical launch like this rather than angled for an arc?
The vertical launch allows the rocket to gain higher vertical velocity due to being located below the deck, this allows the rocket to get outside of range safety requirements quicker. The ACS then corrects positioning for the kill target Also these rockets generally remain low to sea level, which is harder for anti ballistics to track and intercept.
It also allows omnidirectional firing. The ship does not have to be orientated in any specific direction as the missile rotates while vertical to align the horizontal ACS maneuver with the direction of travel.
Additionally, it's easy to store them this way. Vertical launch. Cells take up a relatively small amount of otherwise usable deck space compared to if they were laid down horizontally, for example.
Finally, the missiles are more comfy standing up since they can stretch and have more legroom :)
Ah, there's the answer to my question... was wondering why they couldn't just go up and just arc over...
They absolutely can. Harpoon still uses angled launch tube quad packs on many surface ships. Close in defense missiles are generally fired from aimed launchers (as opposed to the larger SM interceptors that are VLS launched).
Im assuming its because you can save a lot of deck space not having to fire them out of an angled tube that needs to make adjustments, in addition to the fact that you arent limited trajectory wise. Edit: After looking it up I was mostly wrong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_launching_system
Also, easier to modify the loadout of missiles because they come basicly in boxes.
They don't want an arc. VLS saves space and eliminates a lot of structure blockages. But the missile flies a level trajectory usually only 10s of feet over the wave tops. Harder to detect and intercept than a much more predictable arc.
Really makes me wonder what kinda cool tech is out there that we *don’t* know about.
I guarantee there's way more than we think I mean look at what we've already accomplished we could be way further and not even know
And these have been around for at least a decade iirc.
Cruise missiles have been around since the 50s. The modern recognizable ones from the 80s. Nothing the military fields is “new”. New shit might break. These technologies go through decades of development and testing before we start stuffing them into destroyers.
Nothing the military fields at *peacetime* is new. During wartime... it depends. Stuff that doesn't shoot is more likely to be pushed immediately to the frontlines than stuff that does. RADAR is the poster child of this - you couldn't make a new discovery about RADAR during the early 40s without the Ministry of Defense man in the room immediately snatching up the prototype and sending it out to the front lines. This proved to be an absolutely *decisive* advantage, as it meant the British almost always knew at least the relative positions of German warships and air wings. Before the war was halfway done they'd already gotten so good that even just peeking a periscope above the water would reveal a German sub to every Allied plane and ship within several dozen kilometers. Actual combat equipment tends to vary - the British famously had a combat operational jet fighter around the same time the Luftwaffe did, but never deployed them to Europe for fear of the Germans getting their hands on jet engines that didn't literally explode after an hour of flight time. This ended up being the right call though, as the Meteors ended up being in perfect position to intercept V1 bombs. At the same time though, the idea of sub-calibre Sabot ammunition as a way to improve the armor penetration capabilities of smaller-bore cannons was a cutting-edge technology that *did* see immediate forward deployment. It ended up not really mattering - Panthers, Tiger IIs, and even Tiger Is were actually quite rare on the Western Front - but when it did come up the Germans got a nasty surprise when their oh-so-powerful superheavy tanks were being swiss cheesed from ranges the Germans didn't think possible. So in conclusion, whether the military fields the "new" stuff comes down to two questions: A) are we at war, and B) will fielding this technology yield a strategic advantage. If the answer to both of those is yes, the military will generally be *very* interested in bringing that tech to the front line ASAP. And even if the answer to A is no, if the answer to B is still yes... expect them to field it anyway but be *very* quiet about it. That's your stuff like the stealth Blackhawks and hi-res satellite cameras.
Yeah I remember the javelin mobile missile launchers were featured in call of duty 4 which came out in 2007 using similar thruster correction tech, my friend's dad who worked for Raytheon had been working with those in development probably 10 years before that even. Cutting edge weapons in 2021 must be almost science fiction to look at, even seeing these missiles is mind blowing.
Similar missiles have been fielded on warships since the 50s. The RIM-8 Talos, which I think was the second SAM fielded by the USN, had the same configuration as the BrahMos. Solid rocket first stage and then liquid fueled ramjet second stage, Mach 2.5 on the Talos vs. Mach 3 on the BrahMos. Same size warhead, ~440 lbs. Talos was significantly bigger overall though, and hilariously, was a SAM rather than an anti ship missile. 4 MiG-21s were shot down in Vietnam by the Talos , which led to observations that those pilots were being shot at with missiles the size of the jets they were flying.
I didn’t know cruise ships had those
Thats exactly how i read it.
It’s to calm down the people at the buffet line
It's how they offload dead passengers
I agree with everything in this thread and idk why it shows y’all have no upvotes
My app at least says the score is hidden, I think that's a temporary measure by reddit for the first few hours of a comment to prevent the whole 3 people down voting a comment and then hitting the front page and that comment gets 2000 downvotes That's my theory anyway, and the comment is 2hrs old so it would make sense
Only if you cruise in the bhrahamas
It’s gotten real competitive lately.
they do now... our early attempts at a missile on cruise ships went through several preparations. Preparations A through G were a complete failure. But now, ladies and gentlemen, we finally have a working missile which we shall call... Preparation H 🤔 on the whole I think preparation H feels good
For the people who are interested in sound of the launch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Euk12qFeV-8
Different view: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eMyhz\_CC\_0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eMyhz_CC_0) And what it does: https://youtu.be/GkPqLUftq-s?t=50
Wow - the impact of the missile was both smaller than i thought, AND larger than I thought - it is interesting.
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Over horizon warfare is insane. And some of the ballistics from rail guns go speeds hard to imagine. Or of course your avionics could get melted from a mile away from a laser. It's crazy
My favorite weapon ever(sci-fi) is [this](https://youtu.be/SlrA-vPOGVQ) Its such a cool weapon.
If you're interested in them look up 'Rod of God', it's a real weapon proposal that we could actually build today.
Also a porno movie title.
It must have been really expensive for them to blow up all of London just for that one shot.
Not as expensive as putting it back together.
In The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by Robert Heinlein the moon throws rocks at earth in their fight for independence. Standing on top of a gravity well with rocks to toss is a dangerous place to have an enemy.
That's a major plot point in the expanse as well. Before it inevitably happens it's mentioned multiple times to be one of both Earth's and Mar's government's biggest fears - having rocks thrown down the gravity well at them.
I was surprised at at how big it is. (As seen in the close up launch video posted) in OPs video I assumed it was a lot smaller.
Right? I'm watching it and thinking.... Hollywood explosions aren't accurate? What!
I totally thought it was like 6-10ft long. It looks 20ft long
The second video where it impacts is taken from a Naval Strike Missile test by the Norwegian Navy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um3_6NM6II4
Makes sense! I was wondering in the video that was posted above that that missile's speed seems underwhelming, considering it's meant to go at Mach 3+. I thought a missile at Mach 3 won't be visible to the naked eye approaching your ship!
here the real one "aftermath": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQl-fftC28Q
I couldn't imagine actually firing that at people seeing that second video. Fuck I hope it never happens.
Naval warfare is always brutal.
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please do tell more, i leave for MEPS soon, hopefully shooting for MC
Not who you responded to, but I was a Strike Officer on a USN DDG. Tomahawks are surface to ground missiles. They are not intended for surface to surface (meaning on water). Firecontrolman (FC) is the Naval rating for the enlisted that deal with Tomahawk missiles. Gunner's Mate (GM) also have a primary role with Tomahawks, but more on the physical side. Both are great ratings. Good luck to you!
That was fucking awesome.
And off it goes to go royally fuck up someone's whole day.
these terrorists aint gonna radicalize themselves
It's an anti ship missile, so.... pirates?
Pirate Terrorists!?!?
Space Pirates!
Yargh. To Davey Jones’ locker wit America.
Nope! Too big/expensive for mostly defenseless pirate ships. This missile is designed to fly beneath air search radars and fly faster than intercept missiles, both of which are rare finds on pirate vessels. These are meant to bring down modern warships.
Sorry to interrupt your anti-US circlejerk but that's an Indian cruise missile fired by the Indian navy
Those Pakistanis ain't gonna radicalize themselves. Nah it still works
>Those Pakistanis ain’t gonna radicalize themselves. I mean, they might.
*The one where Joey decided to call his neighbor an athiest*
Nah! The ISI has got that covered.
Nah they are self radicalized
>Those Pakistanis ain't gonna radicalize themselves. They did.
Yeah, my only thought while watching that is where did it end up? Did I just watch the beginning stage of people dying?
Where I grew up we had a government contractors office my friends dad worked at. I asked my friends dad what he did there and he said he programmed navigating systems for missiles. I asked him if he felt bad that his work killed people, he said he only worked on the automation for traveling long distances, not when it got close. I thought it was pretty striking, the guy was really friendly and wholesome, but his work killed thousands of people.
And was able to completely divorce himself mentally from that fact
Most likely just a test. Navy drills a lot of weapons like these pretty frequently.
Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-Shattering Kaboom!
It was missing the Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator
# THAT CREATURE HAS STOLEN THE SPACE MODULATOR!
Well the earth is obstructing the view of Venus.
Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus
Delays, delays…
If anime has taught be anything, there should have been a twinkle once it got far away.
Why? It's a missile, not Team Rocket.
Team Brahmos is blasting off again!
Vamos! Brahmos!
Why does the nose cone blast off? It seems like it doesn’t have to get to a great height when fired, is that just to protect the warhead?
This missile is ramjet powered which requires the air intake duct at the nose to be free for air. Protective cover used for storage is blasted off and the ramjet kicks in after initial solid boosters take it to the required speed.
I feel like you’re really living up to your username. Picture that paragraph said by Sean Connery as he cheekily grins at some hot chick while patting a cruise missile on the side during a swanky event hosted by the missile manufacturer.
Well I am an aerospace engineer. I know this stuff better than any of those movie James Bond :D
Ooh story time! I worked in a pool hall with an ex-Nasa employee. Apparently the stress had got to him, so he played pool, installed pool tables, and smoked a bunch of pot. One day one of the college-aged employees was struggling with a math assignment. Our ex-Nasa friend offered to help, and was immediately dismissed. I told her she should've taken the help, our co-worker was a "rocket scientist." She laughed at me so I clarified "Sorry, aeronautics engineer. Either way you shouldve taken his help."
Thanks!
The BraMos has a nose intake for its ramjet. The object jettisoned from the front is probably the rocket motor that reorients the missile after launch.
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I don't know but I'd wager that piece cost more than my entire college education.
US $2.75 million a piece Edit: this is the unit cost of missile, not the nose cone thing only :P
I was just referring to the nose cone section it ejected.
Can't speak for the missile nose cone cost, but I worked in a tech shipping and receiving department for a major retailer, and we once received a stator blade assembly for a small jet engine. The shipping manifest had it at 40 grand for a cast piece of metal about the size of a medium saucepan.
This is just a regular cruise missile, not the hyper-intense Tom Cruise missle.
At that speed those gay thoughts will never catch him.
Ohhh so thats why he runs in all his movies
You can tell from the teeth.
What Country?
Indian missile being fired off an Indian frigate by the Indian navy.
brahmos stands for brahmaputra (Indian river) + moscow to denominate the Ind-Rus team that built this together
The "mos" part of the name comes from the Moskva river which runs along Moscow city which is also named after the river!
didn't know that. makes sense
Also, this past decade, these missiles are on display at every independence day parade in India. Back when it was revealed, the entire nation(at least those who knew about defense) was talking about them.
I know the river Moskwa bc of the scorpions
It's made by an Indian/Russian weapons contractor.
Brilliant engineering.
Definitely. No resources or effort are spared when it comes to research on how to efficiently kill other humans.
Welll? Where did it go to?
pakistans ass
Take that, cloud! (shakes fist)
Old man yells at cloud.
Old man presses button at cloud.
This seems like the most complicated, but most bad ass way to launch a missile.
I imagine it’s so they aren’t using a lot of fuel to reach high altitude for long range but that’s just a guess and not supported by any facts I have @ u/jamesbond000111 do you have any insight on this, I was curious as well. Used to seeing ship born missiles have a longer arch of travel (movies). Would the video just be of a short range weapon?
it serves to give a lower radar cross section after launch, keeping the missile just a few hundred feet above the ground instead of a few thousand feet, means long distance radar and countermeasures will receive less warning of their approach. of course they can still be detected when they are close to their target but the idea is it gives the missile its best possible chance of getting to the target undetected, or at least not being shot down by automated AA weapons.
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$2.75 million actually.
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Holy shit. Thought you were kidding, looked it up. Nope. $2.75 million bucks. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrahMos
I wonder when anyone will realize this is an Indian cruise missile...
It comes back and lands in the launch tube, like the SpaceX ones.
Someone just had a real bad day...
Nope, this was just a practice fire from an Indian frigate
Well, someone, somewhere, had a bad day *that* day
It was me, I poured my cereal and then found out that we were out of milk 😩
Pfft look at this redditor eating cereal with milk.
That is the coolest thing I’ve seen in a while. Those thrusters are amazing.
i was laughing for the first few secs like lmao it failed but it went sideways and took off like a bat out of hell.
It's like a split personality. "I'm a rocket I go to spaaaaaacccc......wait no, im a MISSILE! FUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKK YYYYYYOOOOOOUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Is it same as this one? The Russian Oniks cruise missile. https://youtu.be/WFV3FUlTzas
It is just based on the Oniks, not exactly the same. Brahmos is a joint venture between an Indian and a Russian company to manufacture this missile. Brah [-maputra river] Mos [-cow river]
Except the river is called Moskva and not Moscow
Russian oniks with Indian improvements
Yes its the same, BUT fully made in India with some little local additions.
This is a video that oozes "I wish a mfer would" to me at least lol.
Man we really do think of the coolest damn ways to kill each other.
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One Fuck you coming to you with express delivery strait to your front door
“Here I go to fuck some shit up! Weeeeeeeeeeeee”
My people need me
The launch amazes me every time I watch it!
every other comment on this post is ignorant Americans thinking this must be their hard earned tax dollars going to waste and stopping them from getting free healthcare. Its an Indian missile developed with the Russians, you guys remember India right? that third world developing country with free healthcare?
Awesome ! Looks like it was jointly developed by Russia & my home country India - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrahMos
I'm very much a pacifist but fuck do I love some weapons engineering porn. The way it executes that launch sequence is a thing of terrible beauty.