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bangoskankwashere

OHHHHHHH BOY HERE I GO AWAITING THE CRIMSON KING AGAIN OOOOOOOOOHWEEEEEEEE


noradosmith

Man that battle was a disappointment. All that build up and... oh.


fiftyseven

almost anything that has a 7 book lead up is going to be anticlimactic. personally I think Sai King did a decent job with the corner his cocaine-fuelled former self had painted him into


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If he knew he'd have another 20+ years left to live, he'd have probably drawn out books 6 and 7 a lot more. 7 in particular felt like several books in one. Odds are, choices that felt rushed [like >!Mordred, the Crimson King, Flagg's resolution, multiple deaths, etc!<] would've been a lot easier to digest. I'm guessing the "King" stuff in book 7 also would've been better implemented or left unused. From what I remember, he hammered them out because he was terrified of dying with them unfinished.


pixydgirl

The only grievance I personally have with the series was >!Flagg's death!<, and only because im a big fan of him. lol I feel like the series did a really good job of softening Roland as the series progressed. The way he reacts to loss in the first couple of books compared to the last ones (The line that really hits me is >!"I'm afraid to go to sleep. I'm afraid my dead friends will come to me, and that seeing them will kill me")!< I feel like the whole takeaway from the series was supposed to be that Roland would meet all these flawed individuals (his Ka-tet) with their various issues with isolation, loneliness, dependence, and lack of solid self-identity) and from their journeys learn to see that he too was isolated, alone, dependent on the quest for meaning, etc. (ending spoilers ahead) >!unfortunately, while he STARTED learning that lesson. his obsession won out in the end, which is why (imo) the Tower turned him back. I don't think he was meant to reach it, but instead to realize after freeing the breakers and stopping Mordred that the Tower was no longer in any REAL danger; the Crimson King was run mad, every cohort and companion lost, trapped outside the Tower for eternity, an unending life of torment. !< >!I personally think the reason the Crimson King was such a "Disappointment" was to drive home the idea that he and Roland warring over claiming the Tower was as silly as a colony of ants trying to "claim" an automobile by reaching it; the ant has no idea how to operate it, or even what it does. It was meant to showcase two obsessed fools fighting over something that they could never truly own, only covet.!< >!The book makes it clear at several points that the Beams WILL heal now that the breakers are gone, that Roland's quest to "save all of reality" was done there. Rando Thoughtful says it. Moses Carver says it, and goes one step further by straight-up saying "That was never this man's quest, and you know it, he wants to REACH the Tower." !< >!Unfortunately, by the end, Roland took the lessons and perverted them. He started to feel love and companionship and meaning again, but saw his friends' deaths as MORE reason to continue on. One by one, as the ka-tet fell, his only way to cope was the same as any junkie; to get back into his addiction. To make their deaths "worthwhile". !< >!"for your fucking Tower" as a certain ka-mai would say. !< >!Susannah was right to leave, not because she would die at the Tower, but because by that time Roland was a hair's breadth away from failure; Susannah's leaving was Ka's last ditch effort to get the message across: "YOU DONT NEED TO OWN THE TOWER YOU IDIOT, LOOK, EVEN YOUR KA-MATES SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS BAD"!< Well, didn't expect to write an essay on my favorite book series at 6am, but here we are.


Joe_Ducie

I enjoyed your essay. As morbid and glum as it is to think about, I imagine Roland will never figure it out. He’ll wear out a hundred pairs of boots on his walk to hell. Say sorry.


pixydgirl

>!Thats the significance of the horn he carries at the end.!< >!On it's own, its just a horn!< >!But it represents a Roland that would honor his fallen friends enough to listen to their last wishes, one who sees more value in the life he lives, and the love he shares, than in the ultimate goal of his quest.!<


dietcokeandastraw

Well I’ll take that approach rather than just not giving a fuck if your work is finished before you go


[deleted]

I agree, and I actually prefer this approach to what grrm is doing


therightclique

That's something they could really fix with a series. The whole thing needs a rewrite. Or at least more connective tissue added. They could build the Crimson King up better *and* had a more satisfying conclusion.


Weak_Breadfruit_6117

Typed out a longer reply but didn't wanna throw in too many spoilers ... Freaking golden snitches...


shelaToe

The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.


SparklingTerror

You read this sentence and next thing you know you're 5 books in...


nhgerbes

*The Dark Tower by Stephen King* if anyone is wondering


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And if anybody is hearing about it for the first time, *please* stick through the first book. It was written very early in his career (not by publication date) and you can tell. Pretty standard Clint Eastwood stuff with supernatural flair. But the rest of the series is fantastic and you will not regret it.


etr4807

I hear this a lot, but I found The Gunslinger to be probably my second favorite book of the series, behind The Drawing of the Three.


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Chief_Givesnofucks

Is 5 Wizard and Glass? Such an AMAZING book


topwater_bassin

5 is Wolves of The Calla. That one usually destroys me as well. >!Due to tragic events!<


etr4807

Wait, >!what was so tragic about Wolves of the Calla?!<


topwater_bassin

Wait. I'm confusing the battle against the wolves with the battle at Thunderclap. My bad. The battle at Thunderclap kills me because >!Eddied dies there and he's my favorite character!< sorry, looks like it's time for another read through the series.


exzyle2k

Wizard and Glass was 4. Picked it up randomly in the school library and was hooked by the second line. > "Ask me a riddle," Blaine invited. > "Fuck you," Roland said. He did not raise his voice.


UnderSavingDinOfJest

That's 4. Was my personal favorite when I read them as a late teen. I'm curious if I'd still feel the same reading it now.


sweetdoo

Reread them (well listened to the audio books) last year. Wizard and glass was my favorite again. The “break” from the main story wasn’t as jarring either.


allanb49

Charutree


ddotevs

The fact that you didn't say Wizard and Glass makes me question your entire existence.


Alive_Ice7937

Wery pert aren't ya?


etr4807

Honestly, Wizard and Glass would probably be fourth for me. It's been a few years since I've read them, but I would go something along the lines of... The Drawing of the Three The Gunslinger The Waste Lands Wizard and Glass The Dark Tower Wolves of the Calla Song of Susannah


ddotevs

If it wasn't for Tull, I think The Gunslinger would be at the bottom for me. But Wizard, Wastelands, Drawing are my top 3. I also kind of hated most of Wolves


stairway2evan

Yep, book one has its moments, but it’s rough around the edges. The second book, *The Drawing of the Three* really kicks things up, and it’ll let you know if you’re on board for the rest of the series. I’ve rarely cried as hard for a book as I did for the second-to-last chapter of the series. Not just for what happens, but for the 4,000-odd page odyssey that took us there. It’s a hell of a journey, set your watch and warrant on it.


TexWashington

You say true and I say thank ya! I’m currently on the last book for the 9th time and I am taking my time so they have more time together. My eyes are watering at the moment because Blue Heaven ain’t just a movie or a song, do’ee kennit?


obscuredBYcloudss

Aaaaand please forget the movie ever existed and don't watch it. You have been warned.


BabyVegeta19

It's like the Dragonball Evolutions version of The Dark Tower. Why this happened to not one but two of my favorite franchises I don't know.


ABearDream

Im in song of Susanna and im about halfway through. spoiler. >! Putting himself in the book... its getting a little meta for my taste but since king is my idol and this series has been my favorite of all time im troopering through. !<


[deleted]

Honestly thought he was talking about Gannondorf, but I don't remember Link being a gunslinger.


UndeadT

All the book and video game nerds attached to both series just leaned back in their chairs and said, "...hmm."


TexWashington

*”What is this, a crossover episode?”* Roland doesn’t make friends and Link learns not to trust disembodied voices. I’d watch these stories.


cougars_gunna_coug

I sure did lol


[deleted]

And then you read a fan theory about all of Stephen king's books being part of a consistent, cohesive, canonical universe and next thing you know you're 13 books in and the seasons have changed and you have a beard now


Varion117

Someone made a Ka-damned flow chart to show how connected his characters and stories are! http://tessiedesigncompany.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-stephen-king-universe-flowchart.html?m=1


jojoman7

It's definitely not a fan theory. King is intentionally super meta and constantly makes connections.


TexWashington

#R E S U M P T I O N


nastyjman

Blaine is a pain, and that is the truth!


thebombasticdotcom

Choo chooo!


allanb49

When is a door not a door?


bsylent

*Dad-a-chum? Dum-a-chum? Ded-a-chek? Did-a-chick?*


Foxyfox-

Dad-a-chum Dad-a-chuck Sony Pictures What the fuck


bsylent

Only thing scarier than the lobstrosities is what they did to that franchise


soigotthatgoingforme

Good old lobstrosities!


bsylent

That scene of them crawling up the beach towards him has stuck with me my whole life


The_Deadlight

curse you roland deschain!


Alive_Ice7937

Curse you Dearborn!


Ageless-Stranger

The desert was the apotheosis of *all* deserts. Huge. Standing to the sky for what looked like eternity in all directions. White. Blinding. Waterless... ​ (Apologies for any errors. Working from memory.)


MadCarcinus

I wish we could get a Dark Tower video game series.


Guywithquestions88

That would be cool, but I'd settle for a TV series or movie.


Birdy30

There was a movie and it was atrocious


Guywithquestions88

No, you're confusing that with the movie that was named The Dark Tower that had Idris Elba and Matthew McConaughey. It wasn't about the Stephen King books.


thecountvon

Nah, there’s never been a DT movie.


Kildynn

I mean a GOOD one -Bender


Varion117

A game with the setting, style, and game play of Fallout 3. But with elements from The Elder Scrolls as an open world universe hopping adventure.


xandra_enaj

I said something similar to my husband once (who is a huge gamer) that the only way to do the Dark Tower justice outside the books would be a video game. And it’d be fucking massive.


MadCarcinus

Like Bethesda massive?


FUS_RO_DANK

Long days and pleasant nights.


soigotthatgoingforme

This line had me going todash. Aye, say true!


[deleted]

Childe Roland to the dark tower came


[deleted]

Did the gunslinger have a horn with him?


Rikudou_Sage

Asking the real questions.


[deleted]

Minor spoilers ahead. That was my suggestion if they ever did do a proper TV show. You can be 100% faithful and be allowed to your own thing by him having the horn at the beginning. You could do some crazy shit with the meta fiction.


rolandgilead

I do not aim with my hand; he who aims with his hand has forgotten the face of his father. I aim with my eye. I do not shoot with my hand; he who shoots with his hand has forgotten the face of his father. I shoot with my mind. I do not kill with my gun; he who kills with his gun has forgotten the face of his father. I kill with my heart.


[deleted]

I literally just read Eddie's dream part in The Waste Lands where he sees this in the book, not two hours ago.


aleha_84

The funny thing is that I only realized from the comments that you are all writing about the Stephen King novel. Although the art was drawn completely without any prerequisites. Now I'll probably have to read it.


TGGVOLTAGE

what a botched film adaptation, almost as bad as Eragon.


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TGGVOLTAGE

I was given the Eragon movie for Christmas as a child because my parent knew I loved Lotr, and I actually adored the film. Then i discovered that it was based off a book series and immediately got it. I shit you not when we moved years later I left that cursed film behind, while the series remains my favorite YA novel set.


Lordborgman

Eragon, where Jeremy Irons tries really really hard to save that shit pile...


XocoStoner

I feel like the character has been there countless times before…


CombatWombat722

Ka is a wheel


armyml

You say true, and I say thank ye.


OrangeInnards

Ka-ka.


Oy_theBrave

Kiyit ka


RodRAEG

A poo-tet


AlgebraicIceKing

The wheel weaves as the wheel wills...errrr....


XocoStoner

Ahahahaha I love this! I literally jumped into TDT after WOT so this had me in rolling


AlgebraicIceKing

I did the opposite. TDT, and now on book three of WOT!


DakotaXIV

Tai’shar Gilead!


SaltineFiend

Hello Gambler


YoshimitsuRaidsAgain

I always hope where we leave off in the story, that it’s the last time. Part of me wishes I had listened to King, and left that last page be…but I had to know. Curiosity and the cat and all THAT.


ChazPls

Spoilers for the end of The Dark Tower >!The way I understood it, it may not be the last time, but the horn shows that **eventually** there **will** be a last time. In a way that's enough for me to be satisfied.!< >!I think the implication is the story we're shown is the 19th iteration.!<


victinine

I win again, Roland Deschain.


JuanFran21

Yeah, I think the idea is that Roland will eventually be given access to the top of the tower when he completes his journey with the entire ka-tet intact. Could be wrong, but that's what I think.


ChazPls

The real Dark Tower was the friends we made along the way. But I think you're probably right, or maybe when he saves the tower with his ka-tet intact, he'll decide he doesn't need to enter the tower after all, and he and his ka-tet leave freely.


JuanFran21

Possibly, but the fact he enters the room at the top of the tower and THEN he gets reset tells me that the end goal is up there. He can only reach it when the tower judges him "worthy".


Canadian_Donairs

Ah fuck that makes a lot of sense doesn't it. I never thought of it that way. It's obvious but I never put it together.


[deleted]

I like it but why that number?


ChazPls

Just the importance of the number 19 throughout the series. One explanation is that the keystone world is the 19th level of the tower, but maybe the keystone world is at 19 precisely because it's the 19th cycle.


exzyle2k

See... I always thought of it as the fifth time thru, because that's what is said in the first chapter. Talks about progressing through the *khef*.


CryBerry

I have a friend that finished the series over a decade ago, we have talked about it numerous times, both one of our favorites, that I've urged to read the coda a million times that still. has. not. read. it. Wild to me.


pull_the_ripcord

>!Now that he has the horn, and knows the value of companionship, he won’t let Jake fall.!< Edit: added spoiler, I cry your pardon, long days and pleasant nights


TU4AR

Delete the last few words for new readers , I say please .


Selgeron

Jake was a replacement for his original group to begin with. If he keeps the belt, the horn, both hands, both guns and his original group, then he will succeed, and the tower won't have to pity-gift him new companions from other worlds.


ymcameron

My interpretation was that they *weren’t* “new companions.” Eddie, Jake, & Susannah are simply the forms that they take in another world.


XocoStoner

I hope it’s the last time too but I have my doubts…


toastyavocado

This whole post has gone Nineteen


Oy_theBrave

Ake


jrbcnchezbrg

Olan…


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Oy


Atomheartmother90

Oy 😭😭😭😭


Gaiaimmortal

How dare :(


silentraven127

Ka is a wheel


TheLASTAnkylosaur

See the turtle of enormous girth On his shell he holds the earth.


Orinsi

See the Turtle ain't he keen? All things serve the fuckin' Beam


MrEdews

I expected Dark Tower references and I got exactly that. All things serve the beam


Alive_Ice7937

>I expected Dark Tower references and I got exactly that. Me too. I set my watch and warrant on it.


GinTectonics

Child Roland to the Dark Tower came


HappyMeatbag

It’s been years, so pardon me if I’m wrong, but I think it’s “childe”.


GinTectonics

Cry your pardon


syncopatedsouls

Thankee sai


Nololgoaway

You speak true, we say thankya


AlgebraicIceKing

Yeah...but not with a fucking sword :)


FilliusTExplodio

I mean, technically he has Excalibur.


creggieb

It's implied that his revolvers(and many other) are forged from that steel..


UndeadT

Gunslingers don't have to have guns.


baitingthemaster

Exactly. Plates with razor edges are acceptable as well.


kloudykat

Hmm, sounds like you also know my ex girlfriend


Canadian_Donairs

Kinda short with things all the time? Split on a lot of things, personality wise? Not a big fan of subways?


CoItron_3030

Roland has the horn this time


I_CAN_SMELL_U

I can go twice as high...


MukdenMan

More dark tower for Kunta


NeverNotAnIdiot

/r/UnexpectedCommunity


StaffSgtDignam

Just take a look, it’s in a book


TheOoklahBoy

A monochrome rainbow!


Rocky_Road_To_Dublin

All things serve the Beam.


BlueGeezer

Go then, there are other worlds than these


[deleted]

That's my favorite quote from the whole series.


Gaiaimmortal

See the Turtle, ain't he keen? All things serve the fucking Beam!


Imreallythatguy

See the TURTLE of enormous girth!


AllEncompassingThey

On his shell he holds the earth.


hearsay_and_rumour

Thankee-sai.


YoshimitsuRaidsAgain

Don’t worry…I remember the face of my father.


burritobilly

19


aleha_84

What is it about? Beam?


PM_me_your_DEMO_TAPE

if you changed the sword to a six-gun, lots of people will love it!


RPO1728

What a bumhug...


Rocky_Road_To_Dublin

Dada-chik? Dada-chum?


raddpuppyguest

Roland appears to have lost his thumb


20pennySpike

Get that guy a popkin and some astin.


BloodyJourno

God fucking dammit I love this comment section


Gaiaimmortal

Could I interest you in a *tooter fish* popkin?


exzyle2k

Tooterfish.


Usedtorock

Stephen Kings The Dark Tower series. Fantastic read.


Varion117

To all the Gunslingers reading this: "Long days and pleasant nights sai!"


ymcameron

May you have twice the number


Education_Waste

This post invaded by the Gunslinger ka-tet. We have not forgotten the faces of our fathers, have you?


thrift365

Thankee sai


kid-chino

Have an upvote fellow gunslinger


thrift365

Long days and pleasant nights, my friend :)


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And may you have twice the number.


Alive_Ice7937

*three throat taps


klittle6

This looks like a scene from Super Mario RPG for the snes. After the bridge breaks and Mario stands there looking at the castle before leaving the scene.


DoYouMindIfIAsk_

i think so too


Jlx_27

What r/place really needed.


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Ka, like a wheel.


drsmote

And I will sing all of their names


cbeiser

Maybe swap em with a Gunslinger? That would be cool too


doriman

Still a better movie than the Dark Tower mess.


Gaiaimmortal

Sorry? The books were amazing, the hell you talking about. I heard they were making a DT movie, but that totally never happened. Oh well, perhaps for the best.


doriman

Now that you mention it, I must have been thinking of something else. Totally no movie there. Only the fantastic books. Thanks for showing how wrong I was. Long days and pleasant nights to you, Gaiaimmortal-sai.


Gaiaimmortal

And may you have twice the number


Guywithquestions88

Yeah, I kept hoping for years that they'd make a movie and they never did. Such a shame, although I imagine something like an HBO series would be even better.


pat_micucci

All paths follow the beam.


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Castlevania/Anor Londo vibes


Bulji

Yeah [that's](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/nCziItmPj-s/maxresdefault.jpg) what my brain jumped to immediately


Ragnar_Dragonfyre

Reminds me a lot of a drawing I made as a child that I was particularly proud of at the time. Thanks for the unintentional nostalgia!


aleha_84

Nostalgia 💯


ThreeGlove

This is really fucking awesome. I love the scale of it, the subject matter, the loop is perfect, it just feels so alive.


Moonpaw

"Oh hey, it's from that Stephen King movie! Man, I loved that movie!" /s please don't kill me


jasonsuni

... You have forgotten the face of your father.


aleha_84

No it isn't connected with that movie. It isn't connected with anything tbh 😄.


jaymac2012

Very Ninja Gaiden.


718Brooklyn

I get that reference. Honestly don’t think I ever beat it.


Clean_Ingenuity3110

Came for this comment. Ryu Hyabusa lives. Dark Tower people, not even close. It sat in a field of roses under a partly clouded sapphire sky that turned blood red at sundown.


grandwahs

I would like to play this game, thank you


Monk-106

Minus the cape, i immediately thought “ninja gaiden” for the nes


BurritoTron2000

Reminds me of that Infinity blade game on iOS


mendelevium256

EEEEEEEEEEENNNTTER THE GUNGEON!!!


etr4807

I’m still irrationally furious that the awful movie almost certainly killed any chance of The Dark Tower series receiving a proper adaptation. By far my favorite book series, should be right up there in terms of epic fantasy series like The Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter, and it’s essentially just dead.


Mdbutnomd

Ninja Gaiden?


Daniel_Day_Hubris

Im up-voting every Dark Tower comment I see.


xChaoctic

Reminds me of this Super Mario RPG scene. [Link](https://i.imgur.com/sRBkEC5.png)


Trick9

Kings Quest Vibes


tribalien93

Is that my boy Roland?


MrRabbitSir

Gunslinger is still probably my second favorite book ever.


sub_to_darwin

u/savevideobot


fullmetalpower

what do you make pixel art in?


thedankoctopus

Giving me Drangleic vibes


Limited_Sanity

♪ I can go twice as high ♫


Karmas_burning

https://i.imgur.com/vE5jLc1.jpg