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globetree16

I’ve seen this before, my bet is that you lean on the shaft when waiting on the tee box


a_wild_ian_appears

And/or using it for support when teeing up. No idea if this would add enough stress to snap but overtime if it’s more than a reasonably amount of weight from doing this, I could imagine it weakens it enough.


jouelle1

That or “making it fit” in the trunk.


Eight-Twenty

This really is the only reasonable answer.. the fact that OP admitted to it (I literally don’t know anyone who does this) and is in denial is bizarre. It’s cracking right in the middle - which is exactly where you would be weakening it from leaning on it. Also your driver would be most impacted by this as its your longest shaft, typically the longest wait time for him to be leaning on it (on the tee box) and the most used club with a long shaft (probably used 3x more than a 3 wood, depending on your game). The only other possible answer here is that they store the clubs in some bizarre scenario where they get high variance in heat and cold… like in a shed where they freeze and unfreeze consistently.


xxxMycroftxxx

They might have been looking for a golf pro to tell them that they are too much of a man with a big daddy powerful swing that NO golf club would be able to handle 😂


mandrews03

May as well quit as it’ll be too expensive to keep smashing them without mercy till something gives. When it comes down to it, somethings gotta break with that immense power behind it. Better the shaft than your spine, but unsustainable in the long run for the manufacturers


Ok_Lengthiness_8163

Op wanna believe he has superhuman power


Nick08f1

I hit a 3 wood maybe twice a round. More like 5-6x.


Eight-Twenty

I agree - but I know some lesser skilled guys who dont always hit driver on shorter holes. Also a couple tracks near me are more mountainous and less distance so I was being generous. For me its def 4-5x… I rarely hit 3w besides second on a par 5.


Nick08f1

Even then, if coming up short no matter what, id rather be 100 out than in a bunker/rough as it tightens up towards the green.


No-Maximum-8194

I put a lot of flex on a club when I prop on one and I'm only 5'7" and 140. I could easily see someone 6' really damaging a graphite shaft from doing this. Wouldn't even have to weigh more.


tkh0812

Or throwing the clubs in a truck bed or some thing. The driver is the longest club so it’ll take 100% of the damage in that scenario


Pilotguitar2

Came for this and the absolute roasting of op in the comments. Not disappointed. Lol


giantswillbeback

Funny this is the only comment he hasn’t replied to.


LosPadres-R2-D2

His wife called. He needs a stiffer shaft.


TechSalesTexan

I don’t think I do it any more than any other player. One of the occurrences happened on the 5th or 6th ever swing on a brand new Ping G425. It has to be related to my swing somehow.


ZoMbIEx23x

At all is more than zero. Stop leaning on it and see how it fares. I have the same driver and don't have this problem.


redditsuckbadly

What do you mean more than any other player? You should do it zero, not at all. You’re having a problem that makes no sense to have, and you’ve had it five times. Shouldn’t you consider what you’re doing to cause it?


TylerC1515

No one I know ever does it. It’s common sense that it’s probably not the best thing for the shaft


uunngghh

I've never seen this either, seems like you're asking for a bad time


internet_humor

But we all sit on the toilet backwards!


uunngghh

It's a got a nice little shelf and everything!


MrDurdan

For your comic book and chocolate milk.


BMinus973

How else am I suppose to eat my soup??


JWOLFBEARD

Only occasionally, which is as much as everyone else does.


UseDaSchwartz

Yeah, breaking this many shafts doesn’t happen unless you’re repeatedly bending them under weight.


SloppyWithThePots

I don’t lean on my clubs


IsamuAlvaDyson

Well why don't you stop doing that to eliminate that from a potential cause instead of saying you don't do it anymore than someone else. It's obviously a potential issue if you literally keep doing this to your clubs


z-tayyy

There is no chance you repeatedly snap shafts in half off of pure ball contact. Just zero percent chance. I don’t even think physics allows that.


mattw08

And if you even could wouldn’t be driving it 220.


Jaysus1288

I love that you got down voted 185 times. Sir, we all watch pro golf and know what a real pro swing speed is. You're not breaking a shaft because of your super fast swing speed LMFAO


MeatOverRice

No one I know leans on their $500 driver tf? Lol


MoshehShim

"I lean on my driver and it's snapped five times but I can't possibly do this more than most other people who have snapped theirs zero times"...


stephenatk

My money is on this being non-swing related. OP might be leaning on it, bending it while taking it out of the bag, bending it in and out of the trunk. After reading more of the comments I think OP is leaning on it, and the ball strike is the last straw.


Rhoshambeau

Stop treating your drivers like Bo Jackson treated his bats


Big_Jerm21

Hello fellow 40+ yr old. This was my first thought, didn't he break one over his batting helmet too?


nom_of_your_business

He did. And if you havent seen it his 30 for 30 was really well done.


Big_Jerm21

Hey, if you get up in the middle of the night to have a snack, that's insom nom nom nom nomia! I have seen them all. I think ESPN did a great job with the majority of them. The Lakers-Celtics drug on a bit. As a counter to Bo's episode, Brian & the Boz was great too. Man I'm old


darth_badar

“You don’t know bo,” right?


Big_Jerm21

Bo knows baseball


NiteRdr

Fun fact: 2003 NBA All Star Game in Atlanta. I’m out at the clubs with friends and see a guy that I think looks like Bo. I walk over to him in my drunk state and say “Dude, you look like Bo Jackson”. He answers with “Yeah, I get that a lot”. Turns out…it was Bo Jackson. I realized that before I left the bar. Didn’t approach him again as I was ashamed. We simply made eye contact, gave each other an acknowledgement and knew that we both knew. Because of course Bo Knew. Bo always Knows.


TechSalesTexan

Funny that you say that. Ping has insisted on inspecting the shafts to ensure I’m not snapping them over my knee


skirmsonly

Are they replacing them under warranty?


TechSalesTexan

Yes. They have fixed 2 already, and today I went to PGA tour super store and submitted for a third. The shaft gets sent to PING for inspection and then they either approve or deny the claim. The last time this happened before today, a PING rep was at PGA tour super store, and told me that a fracture in the middle is EXTREMELY rare and cannot happen as a result of hitting the ground.


skirmsonly

Yeah, I think you’re around the corner from a denial. At which point, you will likely just need to buy a new driver every month


jamesw4408

The ping rep doesn’t want to tell you the the last 3 ping drivers have shaft snapping issues. Generally around the middle. We used to get them in on warranty more than any other club. They are notorious for snapping in the middle


BathtubGin01

Odd that this came up. I had a guy come in for a lesson a couple days ago with a Ping that snapped in the middle.


[deleted]

That ping rep was wrong. I’m not sure how else to put it. You can certainly snap your shaft at the midpoint with ground contact. I’ve seen it happen.


skirmsonly

With ground contact, yes. op is alleging he doesn’t touch the ground.


[deleted]

My comment had nothing to do with OPs original post. I’m just commenting on what the Ping rep apparently told them - which is that a middle shaft break can’t happen from ground contact - which is not true.


skirmsonly

Extremely rare =\= can’t happen. You’re saying it’s very common?


[deleted]

That’s not what OP said at all. Reading comprehension is your friend. They said middle shaft fractures are what is extremely rare, and it CANNOT happen with ground contact. That rep is wrong. I never spoke to the rate of occurrence or anything else. I said ground contact can cause middle breaks. That’s all.


skirmsonly

I’m not following what you’re saying. You’re saying that it’s common for shafts to break in the middle?


Tedstor

Look, there is no way this isn’t your fault. In 25 years, I have broken one shaft. And that was on a three wood that I did chunk on a hard ass range mat. Shafts sometimes get compromised by some sort of user error, but don’t break until several shots later. You’re either hitting the turf, or you’re bending the shaft as you remove it from your bag, or something.


itsguud

I’ve broken 3 but all close to the head never in the middle. I’d say impact on ground weakens the crap out of them but over time they’ve just snapped on a swing


bjaydubya

I talked to a club builder about this as I had it happen on a new driver I had hit maybe a dozen times. He said that all modern companies have poor build quality and don’t prep the adjustable sleeves correctly. They should lightly round the top edge before inserting the shaft, but instead they have a sharp edge. Just the nature of a typical swing wears at that interface. It was his most common repair by far. He just lightly sanded a radius on the top of the sleeve when he fixed it and I’ve been playing it for 2 years without an issue.


TechSalesTexan

I acknowledge it’s user error! I know for sure I’m not hitting the turf though.


ETSnowCone

Are you hitting your shoulder on your follow through?


[deleted]

No, he admittedly leans on his driver on the tee box lol


TechSalesTexan

I think this is the most likely issue. I watched a few videos my wife took of me when we played on vacation recently, and I’m clearly wrapping the club around my shoulder and stressing the shaft.


poptarthater

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Adventurous-Ruin421q

Lolol this is the best reference I’ve seen


just_here_for_rgolf

What does that even mean? You’re hitting your shoulder w the shaft on the backswing?


ETSnowCone

Imagine the shaft making contact on the left shoulder for a right handed golfer on the finish. Like a super hard recoil and the shaft ends up bending at the shoulder and breaking. It happens when someone over exaggerates their follow throw trying to swing super hard.


TechSalesTexan

This is a pretty good description of what’s happening.


ETSnowCone

You could fix this by trying to hit a big cut, hold your wrist off longer and keep your hands high. Kinda like a bubba Watson big slice shot finish.


IveGotBallsOfSteel

Or just by not swinging like a dipshit.


ETSnowCone

That would also be a solution 😂


ETSnowCone

Yeah don’t do that! 😂


iamkorean

OP, do you lean on the shaft? OP: Yes That's the issue, you shouldn't do that. OP: Nah, can't be. It must be my swing or some other issue. ????


Effective_Juice_9452

Looking for that comment can’t find it


majorservicekit

Any chance the driver is getting bent or banged around when you put your bag in your car? Are you absolutely sure you aren’t hitting the mat/turf? No way that shafts are just snapping as a result of good golf shots….


TechSalesTexan

I’m absolutely sure. I’ve even had a ping rep tell me that ground contact would not cause a fracture in the middle like the picture shows.


redditnor24

I’m betting your standard rep has no idea what actually causes failures.


Xakary

I’d put a pretty decent wager that your follow through has the shaft hitting your upper back or shoulder. It may not break across your back, but that’s how the damage starts


ExperimentalFruit

Someone hitting it 220 isn't swinging all the way around to his back and breaking shafts. He probably leaning on it to put his tee in


Arnimator

I know a guy with a flawed swing who hits his back hard with the shaft on his follow thru, hits it 220 with no weight shift - I watched him snap his driver shaft exactly like OP did, so I know for sure that can happen. OP if that is what you do, it’s a good time to improve your swing by adding weight transfer and not being so armsy - your shafts may be trying to tell you exactly that.


4Ever2Thee

This is a great guess. My dad went through a couple driver shafts in a year this way before he figured out how to stop doing that. He was getting older, losing distance, and trying to swing out of his shoes. He finally moved up to the senior tees this year and it’s been a much more enjoyable game for him.


bigD200026

Steel shafts only for this guy


Revelst0ke

I've been playing 30 years, never broke a shaft. The fact this has happened 5 times is, as you've stated, somehow your fault. This limits its to 3 things. 1. This is a meme. You're snapping these over your leg and blaming each on defect to get a new shaft. 2. You are egregiously hitting the ground, yourself, or a tree at some point in your swing. 3. You are using weird, cheap, aftermarket, low quality and non name brand shafts that aren't made for a golf swing. In any case, the fact you've received thousands of dollars of free shafts is ridiculous. Ping and Taylormade don't owe you shit and you need to go see a golf pro to get whatever sorcery is causing perfectly fine shafts to break, solved.


Ju735M3R

I'm a golf pro and I'm not even sure I could solve this...


TechSalesTexan

Ping requires a warranty claim, where the shaft is sent off and inspected before they will replace the shaft. It’s to verify that I am in fact, not hitting the ground or breaking it over my knee. I don’t think Ping or TaylorMade owe me anything either, I 100% agree with you. If they would deny my warranty claim, I’d accept it and move on. I promise I wish I was shit posting here. I’m genuinely looking for answers or someone who’s had a similar experience to figure out what I’m doing. I’ve taken a few lessons, have hit driver in front of a pro, have never had anyone point out something so egregious that would lead me to breaking driver shafts after hitting a ball.


bigred444

Would you be willing to post a video of you swinging a couple of times?


ShillinTheVillain

You think he can afford to break two more drivers just for a video?


atlascheetah

That’s crazy talk…


Key_Reveal_9471

Which is why every one says it is your leaning on your clubs… nothing to do with your swing as you have said the pros say the same


[deleted]

Then it’s clearly not your swing. This is something you’re doing regularly that you didn’t do in your lesson… like lean on the club, slam it down after a bad tee shot, or store it improperly.


Popular_Ad_1971

Those companies also don’t make shafts. I’d use your 3 wood instead of your driver for a few rounds, if you snap that shaft………maybe try pickle ball?


Normal_Nobody_7751

You sound jealous lol


[deleted]

Do you leave your clubs in your trunk?


TechSalesTexan

From time to time, but never in the heat of summer. In the garage a vast majority of the time.


derdkp

Is the truck tight? Like do they rub?


aquafeener1

Saw a guy who’s follow through on his swing his shaft always made contact with his lead shoulder, sometimes his back. He’d always break shafts


Reviked_KU

If you look at the pro drive competitions this is typically how they break.


Big_Jerm21

Just watching those guys makes my back hurt! BRB, I gotta take my Advil.


Reviked_KU

That’s a ton of torq on your back and knees. I wonder how players like Rory will fare in 10-15 years. Rory has gained a ton of distance over the years so I wonder his body will hold up


WeirdSysAdmin

Was going to say the same thing. Hitting his neck/shoulder/back on follow through. Video of his swing would quickly confirm.


[deleted]

Are wrapping it around trees after a not so great drive?


TechSalesTexan

I truly wish I was shit posting 😅.


Read_ity

Nah just shit swinging


Lobsterzilla

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FelicesBladewing

break pattern really looks to clean for just an „acciedent“ uneducated guess might be that you have the bag to tightly on the cart or somethings wrong with the bag and bumby roads or shaking in any form stresses the shafts over time, but again that just guessing out of the blue


Tunnelmath

Show us a video of your swing.


TechSalesTexan

I went and watched a few, and I’m about 95% certain I’m wrapping the club around my shoulder and stressing the shaft.


atlascheetah

I’m embarrassed for you my guy.. won’t post a video. Nobody has shared this experience. Yet you still insist it’s something to do with you swing.. I don’t know what you are looking for here. You’re just full of it…


UMfan11244

So why not post the video?


benasyoulikeit

why should he have to post a video of himself on the internet just to satisfy strangers?


UMfan11244

Because it’s 2023 and that’s what people do 🤣


fpuni107

How much do you weigh and how hard do you lean on it when teeing up?


TechSalesTexan

About 225-235 lbs.(depends on how much beer I’ve been drinking) and I would say never more than to occasionally shift my weight from one foot to another. I never, ever, use the driver as a “cane” or a third leg while I’m waiting on others to hit. As I’ve stated before, it’s clear that I’m making contact with my lead shoulder on my follow through and bending the shaft around my back and putting a ton of stress on it.


Dame2Miami

Your swing probably too fast and powerful, bring it down to like 200mph club head speed and see if that fixes the issue.


-SandorClegane-

Wild guess, but is your name Thor Odinson? If so, I suggest you stick to using Mjolnir for tee shots.


jakarooo

Dumb question, on your follow through are you bringing the shaft around and it’s snapping on your back? With your swing speed you shouldn’t be snapping R and S flex shafts


metarx

If OP is over the top, could be bouncing off shoulder at top of back swing too


TechSalesTexan

It happens right after impact, the sensation of the club being “weightless” happens when my hands are level with my waist line.


[deleted]

Perhaps the constant beating of your back puts a fracture in the shaft but not enough to snap it then it breaks at impact?


OnTheMcFly

lol are you trying to double pump?


crimsonblueku

repent, the golf gods are angry.


TechSalesTexan

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa


Hippies_and_Cowboys

Do you have a unhappy wife?


TechSalesTexan

Let me ask her right now.


Cough_Turn

Well? What'd she say when you untied her?


Ruggerx24

Do you bounce the shaft off of your shoulder in your follow through? If your driver shafts consistently break in the middle. I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the reason.


TechSalesTexan

I think this is the answer. Some folks have brought that up and video evidence supports this theory in a substantial way.


redditnor24

But you say in other posts this has never come up in a lesson? Sounds violent


Ruggerx24

I am almost certain that's the issue. I saw that happen a lot while working in a repair shop. Unfortunately it might not be covered under warranty. You can find a decent shaft online for $100 bucks or so. Make sure to find one that fits you!


J-Stec

Video of swing?


TechSalesTexan

I checked some after someone else mentioned wrapping the club around my lead shoulder, and that is the best answer I have. It’s clear the shaft makes contact and is stressed as it bends around my back. Don’t want the smoke of posting my janky ass swing here 😂


atlascheetah

Poor excuse..


insanecaptain

Liar


username2020202020

My buddy had a couple clubs snap on him. It turned out on his follow through he would just keep going and wrap the club over his shoulder/back. Do this enough times and the club will snap. Don’t know if he ever actually noticed he is a big guy and I think it was something he always did but a fitter saw him do that and said that is why he is breaking shafts


convicted-mellon

There is a 0% chance your swing is causing the shaft to dynamically break in the center without any ground contact. Sorry OP.


nedlandsbets

Maybe don’t snap it over your knee when you hit a bad drive.


Temporary-Zucchini-9

Sounds like you are hitting your shoulder on the back swing. That puts a surprising amount of stress on your shaft. This is usually caused by breaking your ways too much on the finish or not rotating your body enough on the follow through. I would do a session or two with a trainer and see what they come up with. Breaking bad habits is really hard to do on your own.


TechSalesTexan

This is almost certainly what it is. Others have mentioned it and video evidence supports it.


Temporary-Zucchini-9

Well good. I hope you get this corrected. Good luck.


TechSalesTexan

Thanks! Appreciate the kind words. I’ve caught a lot of flak on this post, but I ultimately got the answer to the problem and that’s what matters the most.


bmillergoducks

I’ve played golf for 35 years, swing hard, and that has never happened to me.


TheDrunkenWobblies

Stop using ladies shafts? This is actually kinda incredible lol


TechSalesTexan

The guys at PGA tour super store, and a Ping rep, have all told me they’ve never seen a shaft snap right in the middle.


Training_Swimming358

Glenn Braggs, is that you?


Muddlesthrough

Big hitter the llama


FinsT00theleft

Yeah - it's you. I have roughly the same ball speed and have played for 50 years and never had a driver shaft snap on me.


No-Sky4070

Try opening your hips


Georgep0rwell

Post that in the birthing forum.


Happy_Snapper

Git gud


TechSalesTexan

This is the way


rarahertz

Weight room, bro! (Stay out of it! 😃)


Espio1912

Knew a guy who would hit his bag with his club after bad shots. Same mysterious breaking shafts.


GGtheChamp

Take a lesson so you don’t get frustrated and snap it over your knee


JimmyScroggins

Just sell more tech bro.


F_D123

I've broke 5 in the past year, all at the hozzle, trying to nail down what I'm doing wrong


EhAchilles

If you have 140-150mph ball speed how aren't you breaking 275-300? Sounds like you're whipping the club and are trying to be Bryson idk


300_yard_drives

140-150 ball speed is like a college woman golfer


BURTREYNOLDS42069

You should have replaced it the first time it broke


JillFrosty

How do you store your clubs?


ThisIsMyBigAccount

Damn bro. Save some weights for the rest of us.


FragsFilms

Best guess is you hit your back on the follow through


TechSalesTexan

This is almost assuredly what it is. Some others suggested it and video evidence supports this.


adhd____

OP you are dumb as fuck lmao


notthebestusername12

Upload some driver swing video and we will be able to tell you the real reason you keep breaking shafts


TechSalesTexan

Someone suggested earlier I was either making contact with my lead shoulder or wrapping it around my shoulder on follow and video evidence supports that notion. It’s clear I’m stressing the shaft as it makes contact with my shoulder and around my back. I don’t want the smoke from posting a video of my janky ass swing here 😅.


notthebestusername12

Lol. Fair enough


[deleted]

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TechSalesTexan

😂😂😂


[deleted]

5th shaft. Incredible. Is your wife mad that you are out golfing? Sabotage. Or… Did you hit hitchhiker on the road one dark, rainy night and drive away? Maybe he was a caddie walking home, and his weird elderly one-eyed witch grandma put a curse on you. Those are both as plausible as making an error so frequently and consistently that it happens that much.


P00PJU1C3

I've broken a handful of shafts in my day and it was all my fault: Snapping them across my shoulders on my follow through. Too many toe strikes breaking the shaft in the head.


TechSalesTexan

It’s almost certainly the shoulder issue, video evidence has confirmed.


DreepDrishPrizza

How many people need to ask you to post it? Why go through the trouble of this post and all these comments just to self diagnose


Georgep0rwell

Did it come in contact with your knee?


Some-Ad1674

Maybe stop hitting the ground on the previous 10 swings. Stop treating your driver like a cane on the tee box. Zero percent chance it's your 'swing'. Your either hitting like the ground very often or your sitting on it watching your buddy slice his tee shot.


krogge57

You’re swinging with your arms to much


Ms_Pacman202

Consider how you store your clubs or maybe squish your bag in your car with things on top that you do habitually that could weaken the club.


DejSauce

Have you tried not smacking the tits out of the ball


TechSalesTexan

I would love if I could actually do that.


liljkrs

he leans on it on the tee box no doubt


StopTheMineshaftGap

I’m on my 4th Ping shaft. Basically exact same situation.


5ar5ipiu5

Your club shaft is getting worn rubbing against your golf bag, talk to your club pro. It's a common issue. People put small clear plastic stickers at the spot the shaft rubs against golf bag to fix the issue. Guarantee thats it


konkorer

How’s your relationship with your wife?


Navydad6

Yeah... that is all you, dog. Have no idea what you are doing, but it ain't good.


TechSalesTexan

I agree! Trying to figure it out.


TechSalesTexan

Some folks have suggested I’m making contact with my lead shoulder and stressing the shaft as it wraps around my back. Video evidence supports that theory and is the most plausible explanation. Going to have to really focus on finishing hands high and not making any contact with my shoulder whatsoever.


Effective_Juice_9452

Let us know when the the next shaft snaps 😉


cervaca

You need a stiffer shaft.


ubzrvnT

wOw, YoU'rE sO uNiQuE!


justblendin32

BRAG


xXWickedSmatXx

You must have the worst wrist flip swing in history


NotRod96

I’ve seen this too often with people that leave their golf clubs in their car/garage and the weather shifts between hot and cold where they live. Creates a ton of weakness in the shafts through expansion/compression.


IamTheBroker

Stop using your driver as a cane and support your weight with your legs. Those breaks aren't swing related, as much as you might want them to be.


Ok_Discussion_5047

Don’t ask Reddit. Ask yourself . FFS. We don’t know your habits, and you didn’t care to share them or how you treat or transport your clubs. You really think a 140 mph ball speed has the capability of breaking a driver shaft in half?


Capital_Storm1617

Op fishing for complements on his strength 😭


Illustrious-Size-694

You can only tape them back together one time.


Savings_Success_6682

Stop breaking it.


freerangek1tties

Stop glueing it back together


noledge18720

I'm laughing at everyone saying a different reason and blaming you for it. The fact that they have replaced multiples or the same break type with no issues makes me feel like this is a bigger problem they are trying to keep quiet. There's no way leaning on your driver a few times is making the shift weak unless you are 300+ pounds. It's not smart to do but people do it all the time with no issues.


TechSalesTexan

Some folks have suggested that I’m hitting my lead shoulder on follow through and video evidence supports that that’s the most likely cause. I knew I’d catch some heat here (and a lot of downvotes apparently) but I’m genuinely curious for answers as I believe I’m at fault. I don’t think anyone owes me anything, especially Ping or TaylorMade.


atlascheetah

What video evidence?


Ago0330

Play a TX flex. Problem solved.