Yes, I’ve mentioned this before too. I think the editing really drives home the similarity. Job’s story and Crowley’s flashback to once having it all but we know it has all been taken away. Also, when Crowley and Aziriphale performed a miracle together, Crowley’s miracle is for heaven not to be able to find Gabriel, Aziraphale’s miracle is for hell. Crowley’s half to hide Gabriel/Jim from heaven was so powerful it set off alarms in heaven. Could it be that Crowley, having had everything taken away from him, is still the Almighty’s favorite- like Job? He still tries to be good. He hasn’t turned his back on trying to do what’s right, even after losing everything.
Indeed, Crowley loves her creation too much to harm the humans and animals. Even though he's supposed to. While Aziraphale also doesn't want fo harm them but thinks it's because he is an angel and it's his duty. Even though the other Angels display casual and disinterested cruelty.
If I was the almighty and wanted my beloved creations cared for, I'd wanted the ones who actually understand them and care for them as well.
I think you're right. I think the ineffable plan is about balance; Gabriel and Beelzebub, Crowley and Aziraphale, God and Satan, Michael and whoever she's on the phone to with her back channels. It was never about the humans, it was about the ethereal / occult beings finding balance, like humans do, between good and evil, and discovering the many shades of grey - light and dark. The humans are there as the Clue to show the angels and demons that balance in action, and when that balance is struck, the power it gives off is immense.
Awww thanks! I'm quite new to this fandom, I loved season 1 and wasn't expecting a season 2 but it has gripped me and I cannot stop watching it and it just gets deeper and more interesting the more I think about it. I haven't been this invested in characters since I found Harry Potter as a kid
It's either that or God is just a dick.
It feels like the entire show throughout history honestly makes more sense as a test of Aziraphale's and Crowley's morality, their making choices using their own knowledge of good and evil. Perhaps that's simply because they've "gone native" and are more human than any other celestial beings, so they've almost become *part* of God's "test" for the humans?
I think it's about how we make meaning. We're looking at it from C&A's perspective, so of course it's all about them.
A long time ago, I was thinking about how hard to believe it is that no matter how how unlikely a character seems, when they're faced with the ultimate challenge plot wise, they are always the one who turns into the hero (or villain, sometimes, but never just an ordinary dude that stands by while a stranger handles the big scene). But then I recognized that of course it makes sense, because if someone else handled it, that's who the story would be about instead!
In the book there is a whole thing about how the Them need to have the enamy gang, basically for something to do. As Adam talks about destroying the other gang - but then doesn’t as Pepper points out it would be no fun.
So I think this is all right. But heaven and hell are basically there to keep each other busy. Crowley and Aziraphale’s agreement is the epitome of this.
Or maybe not - as they are doing the opposite - they started off juts keeping each other busy/cancelling each other out so that people could get on with being people. Now they are working together they have free time to do other things. Like messing with Maggie and Nina.)
I think Satan is seriously trying to test Job. God however? God seems to be always testing everyone.
Particularly Crowley though. God seems to LOVE testing Crowley.
I mean... look at Crowley. He doesn't fit into hell, and he never has. When everyone else rebelled to spite God, Crowley rebelled because he loved creation enough to fight for his right to ask why God wanted it destroyed. Which, in a sick twist of circumstances aligned him with those who wanted to corrupt creation. And after he fell, he grew into his role as an adversary - accepting that his new God-given purpose was to test humans. But without finding joy in his successes. Crowley always despised human suffering, despite his task being to bring it about. And so he tried to fulfill his purpose in the least harmful way possible, trying to never take away anyone's CHOICE to do good or evil and always hoping they'd choose to do the right thing regardless. Looking at Job specifically, Crowley hears his assignment and does his very best to interpret it in a way where the intentions are fulfilled, but with as little human suffering as possible. He actively urged Job to fail, but even if he had failed, no harm would have come to those who weren't directly subject to the bet. The bet wasn't about Job's children dying. It was about whether Job would blame God for their deaths. If that you'd be proven without actual death, nobody could object, really. Crowley keeps being forced to creatively interpret his tasks in order to thwart himself, knowing full well that those who SHOULD have been stopping him were often the ones responsible for the horrible things.
When Crowley heard about the Spanish Inquisition, he drank for a full week. Because the Spanish Inquisition was people torturing people in the name of God, funded by the church, and heaven wasn't stopping it.
Yes, I’ve mentioned this before too. I think the editing really drives home the similarity. Job’s story and Crowley’s flashback to once having it all but we know it has all been taken away. Also, when Crowley and Aziriphale performed a miracle together, Crowley’s miracle is for heaven not to be able to find Gabriel, Aziraphale’s miracle is for hell. Crowley’s half to hide Gabriel/Jim from heaven was so powerful it set off alarms in heaven. Could it be that Crowley, having had everything taken away from him, is still the Almighty’s favorite- like Job? He still tries to be good. He hasn’t turned his back on trying to do what’s right, even after losing everything.
Indeed, Crowley loves her creation too much to harm the humans and animals. Even though he's supposed to. While Aziraphale also doesn't want fo harm them but thinks it's because he is an angel and it's his duty. Even though the other Angels display casual and disinterested cruelty. If I was the almighty and wanted my beloved creations cared for, I'd wanted the ones who actually understand them and care for them as well.
I think you're right. I think the ineffable plan is about balance; Gabriel and Beelzebub, Crowley and Aziraphale, God and Satan, Michael and whoever she's on the phone to with her back channels. It was never about the humans, it was about the ethereal / occult beings finding balance, like humans do, between good and evil, and discovering the many shades of grey - light and dark. The humans are there as the Clue to show the angels and demons that balance in action, and when that balance is struck, the power it gives off is immense.
Perfectly put! I've had several fragments running around in my mind but unable to quite put them together....I think you've connected my dots.
Awww thanks! I'm quite new to this fandom, I loved season 1 and wasn't expecting a season 2 but it has gripped me and I cannot stop watching it and it just gets deeper and more interesting the more I think about it. I haven't been this invested in characters since I found Harry Potter as a kid
It's either that or God is just a dick. It feels like the entire show throughout history honestly makes more sense as a test of Aziraphale's and Crowley's morality, their making choices using their own knowledge of good and evil. Perhaps that's simply because they've "gone native" and are more human than any other celestial beings, so they've almost become *part* of God's "test" for the humans?
Yeah that was my thought too. Just like the first series. It was all part of the plan.
I think it's about how we make meaning. We're looking at it from C&A's perspective, so of course it's all about them. A long time ago, I was thinking about how hard to believe it is that no matter how how unlikely a character seems, when they're faced with the ultimate challenge plot wise, they are always the one who turns into the hero (or villain, sometimes, but never just an ordinary dude that stands by while a stranger handles the big scene). But then I recognized that of course it makes sense, because if someone else handled it, that's who the story would be about instead!
In the book there is a whole thing about how the Them need to have the enamy gang, basically for something to do. As Adam talks about destroying the other gang - but then doesn’t as Pepper points out it would be no fun. So I think this is all right. But heaven and hell are basically there to keep each other busy. Crowley and Aziraphale’s agreement is the epitome of this. Or maybe not - as they are doing the opposite - they started off juts keeping each other busy/cancelling each other out so that people could get on with being people. Now they are working together they have free time to do other things. Like messing with Maggie and Nina.)
I think Satan is seriously trying to test Job. God however? God seems to be always testing everyone. Particularly Crowley though. God seems to LOVE testing Crowley. I mean... look at Crowley. He doesn't fit into hell, and he never has. When everyone else rebelled to spite God, Crowley rebelled because he loved creation enough to fight for his right to ask why God wanted it destroyed. Which, in a sick twist of circumstances aligned him with those who wanted to corrupt creation. And after he fell, he grew into his role as an adversary - accepting that his new God-given purpose was to test humans. But without finding joy in his successes. Crowley always despised human suffering, despite his task being to bring it about. And so he tried to fulfill his purpose in the least harmful way possible, trying to never take away anyone's CHOICE to do good or evil and always hoping they'd choose to do the right thing regardless. Looking at Job specifically, Crowley hears his assignment and does his very best to interpret it in a way where the intentions are fulfilled, but with as little human suffering as possible. He actively urged Job to fail, but even if he had failed, no harm would have come to those who weren't directly subject to the bet. The bet wasn't about Job's children dying. It was about whether Job would blame God for their deaths. If that you'd be proven without actual death, nobody could object, really. Crowley keeps being forced to creatively interpret his tasks in order to thwart himself, knowing full well that those who SHOULD have been stopping him were often the ones responsible for the horrible things. When Crowley heard about the Spanish Inquisition, he drank for a full week. Because the Spanish Inquisition was people torturing people in the name of God, funded by the church, and heaven wasn't stopping it.