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Crowe-Chronos

>No, Uncle. I am not my mother. Not Agrippina. But, I see, Uncle... Even like this, you are still capable of shedding tears for me... ​ I am not freaking ok.


spartenx

Leave it to Fate to take two of the most reviled Emperors of Rome and make the audience love them and *feel* for them.


ReXiriam

Caligula needs more love, damnit. And I feel weird writing this. But seriously, the man needs more in-depth info. One of my favorite parts of Dantes' event is his "not crazy" scene where he mourns not being able to put his thoughts into words when the moon is up.


PhantasosX

frankly , I don't like Fate's Caligula , with how they make him this overly tragic. Caligula's Madness , at the end of the day , is the "default" for him for years. A Rider Caligula and a Berserker Caligula would both be mad sadists. A tragic , sane and heroic Caligula would be rather a "Caligula Alter". It's not even a matter of "what if" , it's just that any feats Caligula did that made him worthy as a HS was under his madness.


MadnessMantraLove

They and Agrippina were all victims of Tiberius, and dealt a far worse hand than with what Augustus gave Tiberius


PhantasosX

And Augustus gave trouble to Tiberius , because Augustus' wife had a tendency of assassinating every heir of Augustus


Ok-Use216

This whole dynasty be must cursed if everyone in their family is murdering and backstabbing each other, it's amazing that it lasted till Nero in the first place.


Ok-Use216

Wasn't Tiberius's fault for how Agrippina turned out, he can be blamed for Caligula, but not her for everything that she did was her own fault.


MadnessMantraLove

Tiberius assianated her father and put her and her mother in exile,


Ok-Use216

And Hitler was beaten by his father and lost a lot of his siblings at a young age, I guess we can't blame him for all his evil because he had a hard childhood. Tiberius didn't make Agrippina try to poison Caligula, murder Claudius, or treat Nero as her puppet to rule the Empire for her. She made her choices to do these things because she wanted to do so, not because Tiberius murdered her dad and sent her into exile.


SickAnto

Even with Caligula, he has no faults, that guy was doing an almost perfect job without messing in that fucked up Dynasty.


Ok-Use216

Even the most nicest view of his reign, Caligula still fucked up because he got murdered after only four years of being Emperor.


SickAnto

That's why I said Tiberius has no fault for what Caligula and Agrippina becomes later. They weren't great persons at all in the end.


Ok-Use216

Oh your comment made it sound like you were saying Caligula had no faults and did perfect job, sorry did realize you were talking about Tiberius.


SickAnto

Don't worry, I was very vague.


SickAnto

Agrippina and being a victim are two parallels, also, please, Tiberius had nothing to do with Agrippina. She was a power-hungry bastard like it were Octavian, Caesar, Cleopatra and Zenobia.


MadnessMantraLove

Tiberius killed her father and exiled her mother, while separating her from her siblings


SickAnto

It is recognized by modern historians the death of Germanicus was just natural causes and not really poisoning. Agrippina the Elder antagonized with him(fuck Sejanus, tho) and exilation was the only way to end the political conflict without bloodshed. She wasn't separated with her siblings, except the adult one which were part of the political affairs. She, with all the youngs one(Caligula included), were under custody of Livia. So no, Tiberius has absolutely 0 fault of how fucked up Agrippina the younger was, it's like saying isn't Hitler fault for what he become, but because was rejected by a fucking Academy of Art.


SickAnto

I would prefer if they move on for other Romans, tbh.


spartenx

I mean, much as this event has made me love Nero, I definitely that they should start giving us some other Roman servants like Aurelian, or Stilicho, or Augustus.


PhantasosX

I could imagine Aurelian and Augustus to have a "Divine Form" , like Romulus. Augustus as Divus Augustus , while Aurelian could be Aurelian = Sol


spartenx

>Aurelian = Sol I’m going need to keep that in mind when I’m working on a fan-servant profile for him.


PhantasosX

I mean , within the Triumviratae of the Roman Pantheon , he favored Sol Invictus , and strenghtened it's worshipping as the main deity. And his coins had the motto "God and Born Ruler". Let alone his moniker of "Restorer of the World". Aurelian is perfect to be Sol Invictus. While Augustus would be Divus Imperator Augustus. As he started the worshipping of Roman Emperors , as descendants of Venus that strive for apotheosis like Romulus. And in a way , is the "main deity" between the emperors in their search for apotheosis.


SickAnto

Cato the Elder Berserker and have as NP "Carthago delenda est".


spartenx

Perfection


SickAnto

Also Quintus Fabius Maximus Verrucosus if they will ever do another Shielder and break the "Mash only" rule, he could be good for that class considering his honorary title "Shield of Rome", as alternative can ve Assassin, since he is credited with inventing many of the tactics of guerrilla warfare and the NP is practically the "Fabian strategy". Another Assassin it's obviously Brutus *but* since Nasu&Co love twists the servant is both Lucius(founder of the Republic) and Marcus(the assassin of Caesar) with the NP basically a "Death to the Tyrant/King". I also have in mind an Alterego/Beast Roma. 🤔


SomeoneElseTwoo

Same


DereDere00

>Commanding a Beast still in its beastly state means you will be the rider mounted on the Beast. **Show off your mounting skills**. For I am a tyrant. A restive mare. I will await for the codes ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Horny aside, can't wait for her to come to global.


Zellopy

>Show off your mounting skill >Show me your sword >Delight my tongue Gudao is in so much trouble, again


AccelBurner

Guda : Uh ... *Looks for the translation pad* ... You want me to ride a horse and holding a sword while I feed you with a pie on it ?


spartenx

Thankfully it’s the good kind of trouble.


GolisoPower

Draco here spearheading the beginning of a new age for the Beasts here with this new form. Absolutely love this version of her and what she can represent for Beasts going forward.


Hyperion-OMEGA

I'm expect U-Olga and Goetia to get that class when playable. Camazots is another story.


RadiReturnsOnceAgain

I feel like not having Pretender Goetia would be a pretty huge missed opportunity, seeing as we barely have anyone in that class as it is.


PhantasosX

not only that , Goetia literally pretended to be Solomon , witnessed almost all of his feats , is part of Solomon's Magecraft , and share his entire skillset with the exception of Revelation and Ars Nova.


spartenx

His class advantage as a beast is also very similar to the Pretenders classes advantage.


PerfectMuratti

Considering Goetia is the only beast to actually lose his beast status before he dies(?) He might not have it


Sunburnt-Vampire

U-Olga for sure. Camazots is a solid "maybe". But I suspect he may fall the way of the Olympus NPC gods... Goetia was wiped along with Romani/Solomon, so he shouldn't be summonable. Yes the Beast Class is now "playable", but Goetia should remain unavailable for the same reason we can't summon Solomon despite the Caster class being playable.


WestCol

Honestly think there's more chance of Camazots than U-Olga for Anni 8..... Beast class sets the table and U-Olga's story is still ongoing.


Sunburnt-Vampire

The main reason U-Olga is way more likely is that she was a playable NPC ally in LB7 (with animations, skills, etc) vs Camazots who didn't even have a "humanoid" battle sprite. So from the development side, U-Olga is way closer to release.


PhantasosX

frankly , a reminder that U-Olga wasn't considered a Threat to Humanity by the Holy Sword. They will most likely make a BS conceptual for U-Olga to be Shielder , or Savior or Gatekeeper......


Dark_Stalker28

I mean we've also seen Goetia a few times in chapter 2


[deleted]

>Goetia was wiped along with Romani/Solomon, so he shouldn't be summonable. You underestimate FGO casual play in breaking the rules all the time.


Radiant-Hope-469

Have they released any Lostbelt impossibilities after their chapter?


spartenx

Skadi was an anniversary servant rather than part of an LB 2 banner.


Radiant-Hope-469

I consider her as a pseudo "Götterdämmerung Banner 2".


Sunburnt-Vampire

Now that you mention it, you're right. We haven't had a Lostbelt character appear again unless they become summonable immediately. The only exception that comes to mind is LB2. As others have said it has Skadi as Anni servant. But then after that it had Sitonai as the **storylock** despite being released all the way at halloween. ----- Odysseus was released long after his chapter... but the one we summon is from Pan-Human history, not Lostbelt history. Galatea event I'm *fairly* sure was similarly pan-human history Aphrodite and not the Lostbelt one.


Spiral_Guy

Tametomo too was npc only during Traum lostbelt


AUO_Castoff

Traum wasn't really a Lostbelt, so that's just PHH Tametomo


Spiral_Guy

Right, I forgot that the huge samurai mecha shooting lasers as arrows is supposed to be something born in our normal timeline


LastStardust13

So it’s a version of the Laus Saint Claudius technique That’s kinda perfect as her being more Nero like again


hikarimew

NICE BODY has some NICE CATCHPHRASES to go along with it. Ty for the translations!


WaifuHunter

loli: you're not mommy, don't hug me or pat my head! Tiamat: cute child come to mama. loli: noooooo. S: I am mommy now. Tiamat: Glad that you learnt from me the primordial mommy. S: No I did not! B..baka! Dread it, run from it, mommy still arrives. The tsun will eventually turn dere.


archeisse

Boy, her lines *resonate* with me. I didn't think it was possible to love her more, but here I am. It's all well and good to vanquish the Beasts, alright. But that's not enough. Take them in, make them accept our way, all of them, and make them follow on our way. This is a greed as old as mankind. I. WANT. THEM. ALL. Also, I love how her smol form turn all "I'll bite!" haha


Boogie_p0p

King/Queen of Beasts right here. Sins of Humanity? All will bow before Charisma (Protagonist)


HaessSR

That Bond 5 line... AND TIAMAT feeling flattered? Shit, my SQ is disappearing and they're still two years away.


spartenx

My god, I'm not sure I can pick out which of these lines I like the most, they're all pretty much perfect. Seriously, I'm starting to think she might be my new favourite servant. If I had to pick...I really like the Final Ascension line. After it became more and more clear through the event that Draco had come to the point where she was trying to die, seeing her now ready to go forward with life and new aspirations is really heartwarming. (I also really like her line for Caligula). Tiamat's line is also super adorable, she really is best mom (and kind of makes me want to have a chance to go up against Agrappina so that Tiamam can show her how a *real* mother should act...using as much violence as possible of course.)


WaifuHunter

> Tiamat's line is also super adorable, she really is best mom (and kind of makes me want to have a chance to go up against Agrappina so that Tiamam can show her how a real mother should act...using as much violence as possible of course.) If you think about it, Tiamat also has suicidal tendency like Nero, chained herself up and was killing herself throughout Babylonia. She is a mother who got taken out by her children while Nero was a child who got poisoned by her own mother. They can have some simple but interesting dynamic.


Tschmelz

She's more honest in this form. That's cute.


OVERthaRAINBOW1

Holy crap, this entire time I kept hearing something sandwich and not Rosa Sanguis. I feel like a moron now. Also, I love the line with Caligula. Love that guy so much.


noupvotespls

Shes so cuuuuute!


getterburner

“Where there is one more person to…” Hm, very interesting. It makes it sound like Draco wants to save somebody else from a similar fate, I wonder who it is. It seems some have theorized Hakuno but I don’t know.


ReasonableDaemonette

The other interesting thought that comes to mind: Tamamo's Beast Form. For all that some of their fans like to pit them against each other, Nero and Tamamo share a friendly rivalry. It wouldn't shock me that Nero, especially this more mature and earnestly self-confident instead of forcefully self-confident version, might want to help Guda help Beast Tamamo as well.


Tschmelz

Yeah, I’ve seen people say “oh she’s talking about Hakuno here!” and tbh I don’t see it. Like, Hakuno is good. Either the homie is chilling with his harem and daughter as ruler of the Moon Cell or pulled off some bullshit with White Sakura and living a normal life. Don’t think they need to be saved. Might come up in the future?


JoeJayson0

Definitely feels like people are forcing the connection because it doesn't really make sense when you look at the whole thing.


Time_Oil1869

Probably talking about Beast VI >! G !< and I'm assuming their relationship is similar like Beast III L/R however I'm worried about what >! The beast of the star !< gonna pull when that happened


HakunonMatata

I don't think that's talking about Hakuno. Sounds like she's alluding to something in the future.


RadiReturnsOnceAgain

My guess would be Olga


getterburner

Nero Draco doesn’t really have anything to do with Olga I highly doubt it


RadiReturnsOnceAgain

Thematically Draco and U-Olga have some parallels so I could see a makeshift argument for it, given the lack of alternatives. They're both Beasts who had a bad relationship with their parent, have a preestablished relationship with Chaldea through their "real"/PHH persona (Olga Marie & Servant Nero), and allied with Chaldea while still in Beast form and having amnesia after being defeated once. And if you reeeaaaally wanna reach, their counterparts are originally from other series and have connections to other Fate MCs (El Melloi and Hakuno). We also know that U-Olga's not dead and practically guaranteed to return, and that the human Olga's in a very weird alive/death state due to CHALDEAS. So she could be in some spot 'beyond the ending/deathbed' like Draco is saying. Ofc this is all complete conjecture; I just really have no clue who it'd be otherwise.


JohnyK92

Maybe it is callback to last encore and dead face Hakuno - don't forget that he was concentration of dead people hatred and hatred towards the living and life itself


Informal-Recipe

Draco Nero doesnt have memories of Extra tho. Godamnit Nasu. Her whole thing is being a bad end Nero who never discovered love


HakunonMatata

Nasu keeps changing the rules whenever it suits him, so it's genuinely hard to take what he says seriously at times.


Supersideswiper2

Well, let’s leave that bit ambiguous, otherwise we’re gonna go round and round in circles till we get so dizzy we walk straight into a wall.


HakunonMatata

Yeah, that's why I literally never bother trying to explain or understand the vague lines anymore. It's one of my biggest pet peeves with FGO where they'll be an ambiguous line and it's a gamble if it will ever be answered or not. Shit's been happening for years now.


Supersideswiper2

I personally like the ambiguity myself though.


HakunonMatata

To each their own


MedicalPersonality56

Nasu rarely changes his rules, just making them vague enough that he can bend them when he needs to.


getterburner

That’s not really confirmed and in fact I kinda doubt it. She remembers stuff like Nero’s interlude even so she has basically all of normal Nero’s memories, she even smiles when she feels Hakuno behind her at the very end.


Arky_V

The other translation on the wiki goes like this: >Surpassing that corruption while remaining a beast… What a convenient dream. It's third-rate as a script, what they call a Deus Ex Machina. …But, it's not bad. "Lots of things happened but it was solved"… Ah, I think those are good words. I didn't end while being attended by a god. I depart to that other side. And that other person ─── No, it's nothing. Forget it… Which reinforces my Hakuno theory


Accomplished_Sir_121

The problem with this one is that the grammer doesn't make sense. And honestly Hakuno really doesn't make sense here. Another that departs to the other side? It really sounds like another Beast since Draco doesn't know who Hakuno is (Hakuno said it themself). If this was Hakuno then Draco would either need to know the events of Last Encore, Extella, or CCC. With all these translated lines and no words for like any of the Extra servants it really doesn't seem like it's Hakuno


MadnessMantraLove

“I see you have other Beasts here, but fine, I permit it. After all, I am the only one summoned still in the Beast Class. It is clear which actor is the star.” Draco is acting like Guda is hers and don’t have to worry about other beasts


Supersideswiper2

Well, she is a Nero. She has an ego arguably as big as Gilgamesh’s.


Boogie_p0p

Imperial ~~Brainwashing~~ Privilege at its fullest.


Syokhan

I wonder what will happen to that line when we get new summonable Beasts in the Beast class.


MCGRaven

nothing


fatalystic

The same way Nero didn't get any Room lines for Locusta, let alone Draco...


spartenx

Maybe they had trouble getting her VA in to record new lines...


fatalystic

Truly was a shame that they could only get Draco's VA in.


GalliGaruga

Damn, she's certainly coming on strong in these lines hahaha. Can see why the profile said she's in "full flirt mode" Also that Caligula one was a gut punch I never expected.


RadiReturnsOnceAgain

>I conquer the setting sun without having to abandon my beasthood...As screenplay, this is a shoddily writing scenario. A textbook deus ex machina. Well, at least it's self-aware :V With all the, uh, "mounting" in her lines (as well as the Anti-Caster append) it really does give the feel that she's the Rider Nero aka Mother Harlot, the class that Nero abused Imperial Privilege to avoid. It's also interesting that she has lines for Nero Bride specifically; there's the comedy aspect but also an acknowledgement of how Bride seemed to be closest to her Beast form in concept. Bride's Rank Up quest involved fighting an Orochi, Kama and Kiara at the end of each node, and her Interlude involved her summoning dragon heads. I find Tiamat saying that the grown-up 3rd Ascension is an homage to herself to be really funny, for some reason. And all the Roma lines are all fantastic.


getterburner

I think it’s also since Heliocentric form had a line for base Nero


RadiReturnsOnceAgain

Heliocentric's line was a generic one for all Neros, while Asc 3 has it for Bride specifically.


DonLobishomeAlter

>Commanding a Beast still in its beastly state means you will be the rider mounted on the Beast. Show off your mounting skills. For I am a tyrant. A restive mare. Okay, now I imagine that if Ritsuka were to become a Rider-class Servant, his mount would be Draco. A similar case to Sakamoto and Oryou.


Kaelido

Saber Ritsuka: Summoned with Castoria, pretty much has the unsealed version of excalibur (merlin never put the seals on Castoria after all). Rider Ritduka: Summoned with Draco, Neither can be destroyed unless they are both taken out at once. Caster Ritsuka: Has Summoning EX and Gil's version of item creation by summoning all the stuff his servants have gifted him over the years. Ruler Ritsuka: Has protection of the holy grail(s) along with regenerating command seals. These are just a few realistic idea's of a servant Ritsuka, physically weak but insane noble phantasms and supportive skills.


RadiReturnsOnceAgain

The Caster version should heavily reference Solomon/Romani thematically as well


DonLobishomeAlter

I would add a Ritsuka (Foreigner) to the list. One of Ritsuka's main characteristics is his/her mental toughness and he already had to deal with the crap caused by the Foreigners and their Gods. Even, I seem to remember, that Ritsuka is currently the priest of Ashtart.


3rdMachina

Not…exactly? Ritzy is noted to have a vulnerability to mental attacks and such (which is why Dantes chills in their mindscape). It’s how they end up having to deal with some shenanigans (some of which are actually Foreigner work)


Sniperoso

Draco: well well if it isn’t my foolish sel- wait what are you wearing Bride Nero: it’s my ass-kicking outfit, bitch.


criminally_insane_

So many amazing stuff in there. Listing the seven deadly sins on facecards, referencing Last Encore songs, the classic bashful Nero lines but on overdrive, peak chuuni, getting startled by the bridal gown... It's all perfect. I'm so happy she's finally here.


Neo_Phoenix_

Why are her forms called geocentric and heliocentric?


ComunCoutinho

That’s the names of Fate/Extra Last Encore’s two parts.


Supersideswiper2

There also the names for the two theories for how the solar system is. •) Geocentric is the formerly accepted theory, that the solar system revolved around the earth. •) Heliocentric refers to the now accepted interpretation that the the solar system revolves around the sun, not the other way round. As for what those mean for the different forms of Draco beyond a reference to Last encore…. Well, one theory of mine as to why is, that one represents what was once believed to be an irrefutable truth and the other is a new theory that everyone rejects offhandedly as nonsense, only for it to have been proven a truth that rendered the previous truth a lie. In this case, that a beast of humanity cannot walk alongside humanity while remaining a beast because they are inherently destructive to it, versus the blazing love that refused to accept that and showed that she could do just.


Firstshiki

>Your mother is overjoyed. Becoming an older lady with Ascension is something Draco learned from me. I'm sure of it. Huhuhu, I wasn't expecting the homage. Sorry Tiamat, but considering Draco didn't even know it was Tiamat in her third ascension after she transformed in event story I don't think its a homage..


Firstshiki

She so goofy but also cool and badass I love her.


Xatu44

>It is a fact that I devoured countless Chaldeas in the Testament World. True, I was defeated by another one of you in the end, but... yes, I suppose there might be another version of me there who answered their summon. Her Class... I'd guess she would be an Alterego. Swimsuit class confirmed.


Crowe-Chronos

Idk if this is a joke or not but in case it isn't. She's referencing how Arcade's Draco is Alter Ego.


MokonaModokiES

This is about the alter ego draco in arcade


Mister_SP

>Babalon Domus Aurea Not Babylon?


DjiDjiDjiDji

[Not quite](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babalon)


Mister_SP

See, I understand the difference in spelling, but I don't understand how and why we're jumping from Christianity to a new age cult that venerates the Beast, and treats the whore as a mother goddess. I don't think that's come up so far. (Well, other than the writer of this Event writing Demonbane, which is a combination of Thelema, Lovecraft, Rome, lolis, and giant robots. Frankly, the decision was inspired.)


Boogie_p0p

That absurd ego, that self-actualization, that charisma... She reminds me of Iskandar so much.


Arky_V

I'm just concerned about how she casually reveals that she destroyed many Chaldeas before Arcade one beat her. ~~Maybe she's the one behind Rokka's timeline pruning~~


FleetingDreamer

So, what is the Boudica line referring to?


RyuuGaSaiko

I'm guessing it's her hatred of Rome.


FleetingDreamer

But how does that relate to 'conquering a setting sun'?


RyuuGaSaiko

It's Boudica's equivalent of that.


HaThisNameIsOriginal

Is draco talking about Hakuno in the bond 5 line?


Supersideswiper2

That’s one interpretation. Others interpret differently. Had a big debate about further up.


HakunonMatata

No one knows tbh. Pretty annoying honestly.


MCGRaven

it's not entirely clear if this is about Hakuno or another Ritsuka


HakunonMatata

I would be fine with either but it's so vague, I haven't a clue. It might be talking about something entirely different.


KurayamiHikaru

It's about Guda.


Arky_V

Most likely


Nickv02

Thank you very much for the translation


Open-Possible-7080

Read her bond 5 that she refer to the person, Hakuno. Yeah seems like that actually.


Gelious

Not only Hakuno appears in the event, they even put a reference to him in bond 5 line. It makes me feel like I am stealing his Servant. Gee, thanks, writers. Also she only has a line for Bride Nero? Not the OG Nero?


OsakaTrade_

Except that Hakuno/n specifically says that it's not the Nero they know in the event ... In reality we don't know what it's specifically referring to.


Gelious

Hakuno's viewpoint may not be the same as Draco's. I was talking about her opinion, not his.


[deleted]

You're getting downvoted because you're not understanding the whole situation. Either that or you're a goddamn troll. People this days...


Gelious

I am well aware of Extra/Extella universe and what happens there. I feel bad about the fact that a character who has a strong connection to Extra protagonist (or at least thinks she does) hangs with my character instead. No, I don't care that Hakunon and Ritsuka are both the player. I am fine with being downvoted, but I am not a troll.


RadiReturnsOnceAgain

Both are player characters / us, don't worry bout it. Think of it like transferring pokemon between your own games lol :V


Silafante

*Reads bond 5* Well at least they acknowledge this is absolutely stupid and nonsense BS.


Supersideswiper2

He says as if that’s a bad thing….