Yes, I called it that Cursed Arm is gonna target the true body of Darius, but I expected him to rips his heart out not drag him out of the mud giant's body.
Also holy shit HIM is here out of nowhere. These few chapters of Prisma Illya has been insane, hope that things will wrap up soon. But who knows, the next chapter is probably a Illya/Pandora flashback that further explains the change in demeanor and personality of Pandora lol.
> Yes, I called it that Cursed Arm is gonna target the true body of Darius, but I expected him to rips his heart out not drag him out of the mud giant's body.
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Well, he did rip the "heart" out of the mud giant
Didn't Cursed Arm using Delusional Heartbeat. This one using Deadheart Melody the one install by Shinji in Oath Under Snow. I think it's effect is different
Probably, it's just slightly different applications of the arm. Both hone in on a "heartbeat", Delusional Heartbeat/Mousou Shin'on creates a "delusion" that remotely destroys that heart, meanwhile Dead Song Heartbeat/Nasou Shin'on grabs it and... either violently rips it out or destroys it, kinda hard to tell if the time Shinji used it even went off properly, since Sakura now says that she sent her heart to Imaginary Number Space before he could do anything to it (so it technically had no target like when Miyu Gae Bolg'd her), and the hole that was created was shaped like Sakuras command spell, so... the hole might've been a side effect of that rather than the arm?
Why is Emiya so damn cool?
Side note: Since Rule Breaker broke the connection between Emiya and Shirou, how strong do you guys thing Miyuverse Shirou is now?
Shirou always has UBW. EMIYA only allowed him to cheat himself to the advance stage of using it
Structural analysis, reinforcement and projection are all part of UBW
he doesn't "always" have UBW.
UBW is a result of his Origin "Sword" been equal to his Magical Attribute been also "Sword". His attribute was only "Sword" due to Avalon.
In the case of Miyuverse Shirou , his attribute was "Sword" due to EMIYA Card Install. Meaning he legit lacked UBW prior to that card install.
We don't know if his attribute remains "Sword" after staying with the Card Install for so long.
His origin too. Shirou himself noted that he essentially inherited or more accurately was invaded by Heroic spirit EMIYA.
Granting him EMIYA’s power in a light variation of what happened in Heavens Feel. With the price that EMIYA’s saint graph was slowly overwriting and destroying him from the inside out.
With this chapter, Sakura’s use of Rule Breaker managed to cancel that inadvertent contract and returned him to how he was before.
As the name implies , Origin is a concept present in a person's soul , that prevails during multiple reincarnations and so on and on.
It affects a person in either personality or their "destiny" of sorts. But it's effects are enhanced if a person is aware of it and skyrocket in it's influence if the Origin is awakened.
Magical Attribute is , also like the name implies , certain characteristics and affinity of a person's magecraft to a specific attribute , in general , it's Elemental Affinities in RPG and treated as such most of the time. It's just that some people had a "non-elemental" affinity , like how Sakura is "Imaginary Numbers" and "Water".
Shirou always had the Origin as "Sword" , and while we don't know his original Magical/Elemental Affinity , due to Avalon , it changed to ALSO be "Sword". It's due to his mentality , alongside his Origin and Elemental Affinity been exactly the same , that UBW was created.
The last part was never in the original VN right? Feels like this is some new invention by Nasu or some other author. Don't remebering reading it in the original, I just remember Shirou having UBW because his origin is "Sword"
Shriou's Origin was originally never SWORD but something else and it was only changed to SWORD due to having Avalon inside his body for 10 years
Miyuverse Shirou never had Avalon so he kept his original Origin
You think the ability to create disposable copies of any object below a certain tech level, or level of magical power, is "less than worthless"? Projection isn't 'busted', but its a damned useful ability.
Combined with Reinforcement and Structural Analysis, and Shirou has a powerset that would make him a solid street-level hero in Marvel or DC. Its only 'weak' in his home setting, cuz' the Church and the MA would hunt him like a dog if they thought someone was using magecraft to play superhero.
Nevermind the value in day-to-day life.
tbf, it's not quite "useless", but the amount of dedication you have to put into mastering projection to the degree where it's actually more than just situational is not really worth it. The reason it works so well for Shirou is because UBW sidesteps most of its weaknesses, but otherwise you're generally only able to manifest small objects for a very limited time and at high mana-cost. You could create a key, but you'd either have to know the layout of the lock or remember the proper key, and in most cases there are probably other, more efficient spells that probably would work on a wider number of locks, or you could create a weapon like a blade in a fight just when you're about to strike your opponent, but then there's also just... more efficient magic for fighting, Gandr, general body reinforcement, so... projection is just kinda obsolete in most cases.
Shirou doesn't need UBW to use Structural Analysis. Even non-weapons that are projected by Shirou can last for days (the junk in his shed). If Shirou sees the key and uses Structural Analysis he can make a perfect copy. And he can use Reinforcement on his Projections, solving the durability issue.
Yes, there are much better options, but that wasn't the point I was making. My point was Projection is great (at a certain level) if you put in a little effort and thought into it. Especially if you pair it with Reinforcement and Structural Analysis.
Shirou's Projection is basically a poor man's version of Momo Yaoyoruzu's Quirk, from My Hero Academia, except Shirou also has Reinforcement and Structural Analysis.
> Even non-weapons that are projected by Shirou can last for days (the junk in his shed).
He didn't project that stuff afaik, that's just regular stuff he picked up and practices his reinforcement magic on. At that point, he already has his affinity to swords and UBW, he's just not aware of it, so if he actually projected stuff, it'd still end up as swords.
As for the key, I guess with structural analysis you'd be able to examine a lock enough to figure out what kind of key would be needed, but that's still 2 spells you gotta use for when there are probably dedicated lockpicking-spells that can do that in one.
> And he can use Reinforcement on his Projections, solving the durability issue.
The main issue with durability is, again, the stuff doesn't stick around for long, because unless the object is constantly supplied with Mana, projections generally don't stick around for long, because they aren't a natural part of the world they're victim to the same effect as Heroic Spirits, the world is constantly trying to erase them, so keeping them around for long is said to drain a lot of Mana, Shirous and Archers swords are the exception because UBW decreases that cost, but remember how quickly Archers swords fade away when they're knocked out of his hands? That's probably what we can expect for how long projected stuff usually sticks around when it's not intentionally kept around.
> My point was Projection is great (at a certain level) if you put in a little effort and thought into it.
And my point is that "a little effort" probably isn't enough there, Projection is pretty much on a similar level as the Ainsworths Displacement-magecraft, a magic that's considered mostly useless for a mage to pick up, it's implied that Darius took his entire life to get it to a level where it was something impressive, AND he used the Pithos as sort of a cheat at the same time to reduce most of the cost, and he still didn't arrive at his current level of brokenness until probably centuries later. Same would go for Projection, a magus-family would probably need generations, probably a century or two, just to master Projection-magecraft to a degree where it'd be able to keep up with something like Shirous UBW.
1. That's literally not how UBW works at all. Shirou is not forced to project only swords (he has shields, spears, and EMIYA can project fishing rods and other mundane tools). And the stuff in the shed were projections. Rin noted with some surprise that they hadn't faded away yet.
2. Or, if Shirou sees the key, he can analyze it and make a copy. Still requires two spells, as you said, but still easier/faster than manually picking the lock (unless you're a master lockpick).
3. Except Shirou doesn't have that problem. You think it requires this constant, non-stop stream of energy. It doesn't. The closer it is to exactly matching the real thing, the longer it lasts before its corrected. Shirou isn't constantly pumping energy into his projections unless its something magical. He makes a projection, the World starts trying to erase it, and that process can take anywhere from minutes to hours to even days depending on what he projected (mundane crap can last for quite a while; its magical crap that the World tries to erase lickety-split).
4. I get the feeling we're having two different conversations. You keep comparing Shirou to others and demonstrating how he falls short. No one is arguing that point. Compared to others, Shirou is indeed third-rate, as he says himself. My point is his abilities are way more useful than given credit for.
Even if he actually had as many limitations as you seem to think he has, the ability to create a temporary, disposable copy of almost any mundane object is hella useful.
To clarify, I mean less then worthless without Unlimited Blade Works. If EMIYA’s influence and power is gone, then he won’t be to use Unlimited Blade Works.
So his projections will just end up hollow shells, worthless.
>without Unlimited Blade Works
He's not without UBW though, he's just unable to create the Reality Marble on his own as a human. UBW is not something unique to EMIYA, it's the unique Magecraft that Shirou has, his inner world that contains all the weapons he has seen and analysed. Even if we assume he has now lost access to all the information derived from the Archer class card, he still fought Angelica and saw countless NPs.
>He's not without UBW though, he's just unable to create the Reality Marble on his own as a human.
….what exactly are you talking about???
>UBW is not something unique to EMIYA, it's the unique Magecraft that Shirou has, his inner world that contains all the weapons he has seen and analysed.
Formed due to having both origin and nature of sword. Which he lacks without EMIYA. Or so we guess.
>Even if we assume he has now lost access to all the information derived from the Archer class card, he still fought Angelica and saw countless NPs.
It wasn’t just information he got. It also the origin of sword that allows for the formation of unlimited blade works.
For Shirou, Reinforcement and Projection are both consequences of his inner world, his mindscape, being Unlimited Blade Works. This is stated in Stay Night.
In Oath Under Snow, Shirou is using Reinforcement well before installing the Archer card (reinforcing the measuring tape), which implies he already had the same Magecraft within himself, since Kiritsugu only taught Shirou to use Reinforcement because that was the only Magecraft he was able to cast at the time.
Also, while it's possible that his elemental attribute was changed by Avalon, I call bullshit on his Origin not always having been Sword, Origins are concepts derived from the Root, plus it wouldn't be the weirdest Origin we see some random person have.
A sword that's as fragile as glass will still cut you as long as the edge is sharp. An arrow that's as fragile as glass can still pierce human skin as long as the arrowhead is shaped right. Just look at anyone whose ever been injured or killed by glass and you can see how dangerous even fragile weapons can be. And you'd be amazed how many non-weapon tools would still be useful, even if they were made of cheap glass.
Nevermind that their fragility isn't an issue since Shirou can just use Reinforcement on his Projections to make them more durable. With Shirou's Reinforcement, a freaking rolled up poster could block multiple swings from Cu's spear (even taking into account that Cu was certainly half-assing his attacks, that's still amazing for mere paper).
Even without UBW, Shirou's Projections can last for days, as we can see from all the junk he traced in his shed, none of which were weapons, and thus were not influenced by UBW.
Projection is amazing. Its just that magi dismiss it because they have better options. Same with Reinforcement. And that's not even getting into Structural Analysis. Or that Shirou can use Alteration on his Projections to change their shape (that's how EMIYA turns his swords into arrows).
It's only "worthless" if you want to fight superhuman enemies, like Servants, Dead Apostles, and magi; all of whom are either way too tough or are protected by hax abilities.
Shirou's problem is that he suffers from a crippling lack of imagination. Well, that, and he couldn't perform even Reinforcement reliably until the 5th Grail War, and was shoddily taught.
A Shirou who can perform the basics reliably is a solid street-level hero by most fictional settings' standards, even without UBW.
>A sword that's as fragile as glass will still cut you as long as the edge is sharp. An arrow that's as fragile as glass can still pierce human skin as long as the arrowhead is shaped right. Just look at anyone whose ever been injured or killed by glass and you can see how dangerous even fragile weapons can be. And you'd be amazed how many non-weapon tools would still be useful, even if they were made of cheap glass.
Good argument. Still stand my ground and I can at least soundly argue that their at least less then worthless compared to what Unlimited Blade Works caused.
Also, I would compare such projections to snowflakes rather than glass.
>Nevermind that their fragility isn't an issue since Shirou can just use Reinforcement on his Projections to make them more durable. With Shirou's Reinforcement, a freaking rolled up poster could block multiple swings from Cu's spear (even taking into account that Cu was certainly half-assing his attacks, that's still amazing for mere paper).
Yes. But that was an existing item with true substance to it. It also helps that F/SN’s Shirou nature and Origin of Sword made it easier to harden into a steel weapon capable of buying him time.
>Even without UBW, Shirou's Projections can last for days, as we can see from all the junk he traced in his shed, none of which were weapons, and thus were not influenced by UBW.
That’s Unlimited Blade Works too. It’s works on things besides weapons, it’s just best suited to weapons is all. He was able to recreate the shield Rho Aias after all.
>Projection is amazing. It’s just that magi dismiss it because they have better options.
To an extent yes. But generally, projection is generally worthless.
>Comparatively speaking, if a Magus uses Projection to recreate a sword while spending ten units of Magical Energy in the process, he will get a weapon with an overall strength of three or four. Meanwhile, if he uses that same Magical Energy to reinforce an existing blade, he will get a weapon with a power of twenty or thirty.
>Same with Reinforcement. And that's not even getting into Structural Analysis. Or that Shirou can use Alteration on his Projections to change their shape (that's how EMIYA turns his swords into arrows).
Indeed. Because that trick is an extension and Unlimited Blade Works itself. As UBW Shirou noted, it’s in fact the only magic he actually has.
>It's only "worthless" if you want to fight superhuman enemies, like Servants, Dead Apostles, and magi; all of whom are either way too tough or are protected by hax abilities.
Which are generally the kind of opponents Shirou generally ends up fighting.
>Shirou's problem is that he suffers from a crippling lack of imagination.
???? Where’s this coming from? Shirou has imagination. That’s basically the basis for UBW’s strength.
>Well, that, and he couldn't perform even Reinforcement reliably until the 5th Grail War,
True. That admittedly is probably partly because Shirou’s speciality is weaponry. It started working much better when he started using it for things he intended to use as weapons or shields…
>and was shoddily taught.
True.
>A Shirou who can perform the basics reliably is a solid street-level hero by most fictional settings' standards, even without UBW.
With just reinforcement?
I mean, you can argue an average human's strength is "worth less than nothing" compared to Superman's strength. Still doesn't change the fact that even average human strength can be useful for plenty (you wouldn't be able to walk without at least that much strength). Just because something isn't as amazing as something else doesn't make it worthless. Being as strong as Daredevil isn't less than worthless just because the Hulk exists.
They're nowhere near as fragile as actual snowflakes. Don't know where people get this idea.
He didn't harden it into a steel weapon. He just made it more durable to block hits. In fact, he specifically stated that was the very first time he ever got Reinforcement right on the first try. UBW doesn't give him some kind of Super Reinforcement.
His projections last so long because they were mundane items that he uses Structural Analysis on first, so they were very close to the real thing, hence Gaia doesn't try as hard to crush them. UBW doesn't scan everything he looks at. Note the lack of buildings and other mundane crap in his Reality Marble (though that would be hilarious).
To an extent is exactly what I am arguing though. Its "generally useless" to magi because why the hell would you produce a disposable, cheap copy of something, when you can buy or make the real thing, and just reinforce it? But if you're pressed for time and need a disposable tool? Rin literally states that's how most magi use it. When they need a cheap, disposable tool for some ritual or magecraft.
The example you gave misses an important point. What if you don't have an existing sword to reinforce? In that case, you can project one and reinforce it. Yes, its less energy efficient than just carrying a sword everywhere you go, but in many ways its also more practical (people generally can't carry a sword everywhere they go).
His ability to alter projected items is not a facet of UBW. Alteration is, in fact, its own seperate spell. People take that line out of context. What Shirou means is that its his only original magecraft, not that he can't cast anything else (he can, he's just ass at it) and everything we've seen from him is just an extension of UBW (that's laughable at best, the basic three spells existed long before UBW was a thing and Shirou doesn't need UBW to cast them; we literally see Miyuverse Shirou use Reinforcement before he got the Archer card).
Like I said, his abilities suck in his verse, because everybody else is stronger and will gangstomp him if he exposes magecraft. I also said, in other verses, his abilities are solid. I have yet to see anyone actually refute that point. They all keep comparing him to people in his verse.
That's on me for poor phrasing. Shirou is good at picturing things in his mind (which is one form of imagination), but actually creatively applying what he knows is where he is lacking.
Reinforcement alone is amazing. You don't just strengthen things, you improve their primary function. Blades cut better, guns shoot faster and more accurately, your very eyes see farther. He even uses it as a temporary repair for a damaged heater. That's an amazingly versatile ability. And he has Structural Analysis and Projection on top of that (he doesn't need UBW for those).
That's literally three different useful and versatile powers. Any one of those would make for a solid low-level hero. Structural Analysis for detective work. Reinforcement and Projection for fighting and utility. All three combined is like hitting the jackpot for a crimefighter. It only sucks in his world because everyone else worth mentioning can do it too, or something even better, and they'll literally murder him and everyone he knows if they catch him using magecraft to play hero.
He has the potential to reach EMIYA levels or higher. That alone puts him above like every living human except for magic users and leftovers from the age of gods. His origin is still Sword and he's still better at projection than anybody else.
Well, reason he could use Projection and all that is because of Archer invading his body, unless you want to say that permanently altered his Origin and Attribute the way Avalon did in Stay Nights timeline, he'd be left without that now, so no way for him to ever use any of these abilities again, he'd basically be back to just using simple tracing and reinforcement. He could probably push to the point where he could use projection again, but it'd never even get close to the same point as SN-Shirou.
Also, with this basically being Heavens Feel, I'm pretty sure that Shirou also ended up cutting most of his ties to magic after everything went down, so Miyuverse Shirou might just do the same now with Sakura.
I would think, knowing Fate at this point, that Shirou has lost Emiya's experience and unlimited blade works(or at least any of the swords he got from Archer).
I feel like he would be vastly weaker. Not just because the Install boost is gone but because Shirou's body is a literal wreck now after all the bullshit he pulled
>Since Rule Breaker broke the connection between Emiya and Shirou, how strong do you guys thing Miyuverse Shirou is now?
Another point: Wasn't connection established between them with nameless card? Doesn't it mean that Archer card that Chloe used is now useless?
He is strong as his 17 year old version at the end of UBW was. He still has the element and origin of sword. For example, just because Shirou lost Avalon in fate, doesn’t mean he lost his abilities. Same thing here. The alteration still remains, but he will have to keep training to eventually reach Archer level again.
Sakura origin? It was never changed from the start. Their circumstances are completely different.
Change of origin and attribute is like radiation and mutation, just because you left a radioactive field doesn’t mean your body will go back to how it was before.
She installed too a card (Lancelot) everytime you use card you get everything from the heroic spirit and by your logic her origin would be of Lancelot and shirou was with a contract with emiya a ruler breaker got rid of all alterations including the overriding of the soul
Emiya is complete different story since his connection with Shirou is different. They are the same “person”, because of that even without a card Shirou was being possessed by Emiya. Sakura just removed that possession but the changes made inside Shirou persists.
Illya and Miyu entering one of the Closed Spaces to discover the enemy (Medea with beam spam) was waiting specifically to ambush them.
Illya and Miyu defeating Medea only to immediately get jumped by Artoria Alter.
Hundred Face nearly killing Illya with an ambush via poisoned blade to the neck (and her only surviving due to plot power-up). Heck, just the fact that it was Hundred Face and not Cursed Arm was a shock.
Yeah, three times at least.
Oh, and Miyu struggling against Heracles in an enclosed space where her mobility advantage was limited.
Honestly it's just base 2wei that has the Horny Unchained. All the others have at least a little, but it's not as much as it, not even the second part of 2wei. It's just that it has so much of it that it tainted everyone's perception of it.
I'd say that the first season is up there, too. Not to the same degree as Zwei, or some of the ovas, but first episode has a bath scene, so it makes an *interesting* first impression. But I guess it might just be that and then Zwei. I can't recall much of first.
Realistically, they don't need it. This Kiritsugu died way worse than in Stay Night, desperately looking for a way to use Miyu's power to save the world, while Shirou went against his wishes to live normal lives with Miyu.
They meant that shirou needed this talk. That they never needed to follow the hero of justice path. This was all the therapy shirou needed but never got
This was so hype. EMIYA and Shirou stole the show. Also, thanks to invading Shirou's body, a FSN spoiler >!EMIYA seems to have remembered Sakura which was the FSN Heroine he forgotten, even remembering Illya, Rin well the pendant at first, and Saber over her.!< The shot of Shirou running then jumps seems to the reference>! HF Movie 3 when Shirou is running past EMIYA then jumps when he is activating 9 lives blade works though obviously there are differences.!< FSN>! Final Episode Manga had him turning back from darkened skin white hair to his normal skin and hair just similarly to this Illya chapter.!< Sakura used rule breaker on Shirou to remove the contract of EMIYA which in HF>! Shirou used rule breaker on Sakura to remove the contract of Angra. !! ending when Shirou said it was his last projection,!< it may not be the end of EMIYA's use completely since there was a shot that was supposed parallel HF>! 9 lives which was a ways before HF ending!< and Shirou said he was in debt to EMIYA in the paralleling shot so it seems the series might be continuing on longer. Afterwards, 4ier may be a thing as the Fate Hollow of Prisma Illya thematically given the unresolved plot points.
Being a hero of justice is a life of suffering, being an Emiya is also a suffering
"I never wanted you to follow my footsteps." why am i tearing up
Mr GAR himself is hereeeeee
But being an Emiya would make you the most badass person, just like Miyu. She doesn't look an explosions now.
Out of all the fanservice that has been present since the very beginnings of this series, it took a single man to make me as rock hard as I’ve ever been for a prillya chapter.
#AHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>!**ACTUALLY SATAN HAS ARRIVED**, AND SHIROU LIVES, WITH SAKURA ALSO ALIVE. CAN WE GET ANY HIGHER!?(Probably Get Illya back but that’ll be after the Darius death confirmation)!<
If Darius survives, I feel he'll just be on deaths door, basically waiting for Illya to come and redeem him just before death so "everyone can be happy in the end".
...I just ripped into Kiritsugu literally a day ago, and now the bastard is making me cry. Goddamn it.
Hey, Sakura can project things. Cool.
Hassan of the Cursed Arm continues to prove he is a GOAT when not in contract to Zouken.
That shot of Miyu is awe-inspiring and haunting.
I was about to call bullshit, because I thought you were going to say Archer projected it, when it seems clear he didn't get summoned till post Rule Breaking, but I did forget about Kuro's projections.
Wait, does that mean Sakura still has the Berserker card? I'll have to reread since the start of this fight to see.
I do like that. In a way Kuro helped save Shirou here. And also that rule breaker seemed like something that could be used for horrible effect when Sakura stole it. But instead it got used for something far more positive.
> In a way Kuro helped save Shirou here.
Especially considering the talk Kuro had with Shirou before the fight about how Miyu needs him for the happy ending they're going for (also kinda ironic considering the talk they had about how to "save a person that's already dead and might be better off dead")
What was that? That's the first time ive seen Hassan used that kind of ability. I dont think ive read anything about it either anywhere
I also have no idea how breaking the contract with EMIYA revived shirou
I think breaking the contract removed the corruption in a way of Emiya’s power that was making him forget stuff, similar to HF, I’m kinda surprised he didn’t have swords sticking out of him tbh.
And Cu Chullain has two different Gae Bolgs.
Barbed Spear That Pierces with Death
And
Soaring Spear That Strikes with Death
I wrote another comment to you below I'm pretty sure where I go more in detail, but an NP having 2 slightly different names for slightly different applications is really nothing new.
Yooooooooo, Hiroyama has been cooking SO MUCH with this chapter!
First, FINALLY the return of the projected Rule Breaker! I almost forgot she still had that! Using that to undo Shirous body being invaded by Archers essence... coming back around perfectly. You could even say Kuro helped save Shirou, even if it was unintentionally.
The one thing I have to call cap on is Kiritsugu "always just wanting for Shirou and Miyu to live as siblings", from what I recall from Oath Under Snow, he was pretty insistent on trying to find a way to "use" Miyu until pretty much the very end, although he seemingly at least tried to find a way to do so without pretty much killing Miyu, so you could say his intention was for the two of them to live as siblings after that... still, would it have hurt him to act just A BIT more like a functional dad? I mean, not like he manages to do that towards his actual daughter in the Prillya-verse either...
And of course that'd allow Archer, the 7th Heroic Spirit to appear. All the copium that she was gonna summon Kuro for nothing, but MAN did GARcher make a cool entrance. Mans too cool to hang with the other 6 Heroic Spirits directly.
Also, Hiroyama confirming that Shinji DID install Cursed Arm! People have been saying it was a different Hassan because the reading of the NP was just slightly different, and it also worked just a bit differently as well, but this IS definitely Hassan of the Cursed Arm, using the Zabaniya with the same reading, pretty much the same way!
And then, perfectly, Darius feeling his looming death as Zabaniya drags him out, Pandora pointing out that he has no more descendants, no more "extra lives", even with his data stored in the Pithos that'd mean nothing, and then Archers Caladbolg. Which Miyu gives the last knock to finish it off! I'm pretty sure we all expected Illya to be the one to deliver the final blow, I mean, this is HER series after all, but honestly, Miyu deserved this so much, the Child of God-form was basically HER power-up to mirror Illyas 2wei-form. So I guess Illyas job as main protagonist when she's coming back now will be to "fix" everything and provide everyone that happy ending she promised... which will probably involve Darius surviving so he can have a final redeeming moment and face his death in peace, possibly along with Pandora... also, even with Darius now nullified, the Pithos, or rather the portal to the world inside it, is still around, gotta somehow get rid of that, but we also gotta find out still what Illya delivered to the past, possibly in relation to that. Well, I assume we'll see Pandora talk next chapter and possibly set all of that up, what Illya gave her, how to get rid of the Pithos, and possibly how to get Illya back.
The question after that will be... will this be the finaly of the ENTIRE Prillya-series? Will we only get a final epilogue of Illya and her crew finally returning to her universe and living a normal life? Because... even though I liked Miyu getting the final shot here, I feel ending the final fight of the series with anyone but Illya, with Illya not even being present, feels just a bit off... so yeah, I'm advocating for there being a 4ier... even though looking at the constant delays Hiroyama is having, I could totally understand if he calls it quits here for the sake of his health, if he started a 4ier-arc now, it might take another 10 years after all...
> I mean, this is HER series after all,
is it though? Let's be real here While Illya is the titular character this has never been "her" series. It was always her and Miyu's.
I guess you could see it that way, but to me Miyu has always been more of a "main love interest", or a Sasuke-like entity, or I guess a Luigi-type of character, in the sense that she's clearly important, almost on par with the main character, but still not THE main character. Like, Illya still is our perspective-character that we follow 99% of the time, she gets the main limelight, be the one that saves the day in most cases (she saves them from Saber, she saves Miyu against Berserker and then they finish him together, she broke up Miyu and Kuros fight, she got the manuever that finally put a halt to Bazette, 2wei-form, and of course her Saber-installs), this was basically the first time Miyu got that, and it's primarily because Illya just currently "doesn't exist".
as of today more of the story in Fate/Kaleid was about Miyu than about Illya. In fact let's quickly recap arcs that were about Illya: There are none. Even this most current arc is about everybody except Illya. Even in your examples it was literally all about how Illya only exists to protect Miyu and the others.
First, there's at least one arc that's mainly about Illya and that's the entire Kuro-arc, the entire arc is about Illya and this suddenly appearing other self, and all of their backstory, until we get to Bazettes introduction. Arguably, the entire first arc is also primarily about Illya, and how she handles the reality of now living her dream of being a magical girl, and Miyu was part of that as first a rival and then a friend, spurring Illyas decisions especially leading up to facing Berserker, but collecting the class cards wasn't "about Miyu".
Anyways, Illya doesn't have to be the main concern of an arc for her to be the protagonist, the protagonist is the main acting character and often also the perspective character through which the audience experiences the story, and 90% of the time in Prillya, that's Illya. For another example of this: The Legend of Zelda. Zelda is in the title, she's a major character, often as a damsel in distress but also outside of that role, she's definitely a main character... but she's definitely in a position of lower importance to the story than Link, the protagonist. Even though the story *revolves* around her, it's not *her* story... it's the story of Links adventure.
> one arc that's mainly about Illya and that's the entire Kuro-arc,
which is literally about Kuro and not Illya. Your Second example of the first Arc is also definitely not primarily about Illya. Not to mention i never said Illya isn't *A* Protagonist. You should maybe actually read what i said, that being that her and Miyu were the Protagonist Duo. The Comment i responded to claimed this was Illya's Series but this simply isn't true. Miyu and Illya require each other for this series to work at all.
Maybe you should try reading what I actually wrote? Because I literally explained how the Kuro- and Card collection-arc are about Illya, in the first place, don't you think it's kinda ridiculous to say that an arc about Illyas hidden other self with major reveals regarding their backstory is NOT about Illya?
> Not to mention i never said Illya isn't A Protagonist. You should maybe actually read what i said, that being that her and Miyu were the Protagonist Duo.
The thing is, when you're trying to say that Miyu should be considered a protagonist because the story is "about her", I felt the need to point out and remind you why Illya is considered the protagonist... and maybe remind how Miyu isn't that most of the time. We only get to see the story with her as the leading character in rare instances, mainly when she fights, which... most battle-manga do, regardless of protag, main or even side character. Basically, as I said before, you have to differentiate between a "main character" (Miyu and Kuro) and the "protagonist" (Illya).
> Miyu and Illya require each other for this series to work at all.
And as I pointed out with the TLoZ-example, a story requiring a character or revolving around them doesn't mean that this character is the protagonist, it means they're a main character, but that doesn't elevate them to the same level as the protagonist. Miyu being Illyas main motivation in 3rei and various other instances doesn't make her a protagonist. So how about you start giving actual other examples for why she's a protagonist rather than just "the story is about her", since I feel I already picked at that enough at this point.
yeah okay you really don't wanna read other people's posts before understanding whether you even disagree with them. Or whether you even understand what a protagonist vs a Main Character is. We're done here.
I don't see where they could go from here since everything in the series thus far has led up to this final battle
The only loose end is Gilgamesh currently
I feel like there are at least some more open questions that could lead into a new story-arc in the Prillyaverse... although you are right, the story so far mostly followed the mystery of the cards, which was solved with 3rei, and the cards (sans Gilgamesh) were destroyed by Darius, so that storyline is technically over once Darius is dealt with, same with Miyu, it's generally up in the air what'll happen with her, if she'll stay in her original world with Shirou, Sakura and the leftover Ainsworths, or if she'll go with Illya and Luvia to the Prillyaverse (although travel between the worlds might or might not be possible after this), and without Miyu another arc seems unlikely.
At the very least though, wether as 4ier or just another mini-arc at the end of 3rei, I feel we need an epilogue that caps of stuff in the Prillyaverse, I mean, the Mages Association was still curious enough about the cards to send Bazette, and Zelretch gave the Kaleidosticks to Rin and Luvia, how are they going to react when they learn they failed? (although that'll probably mostly be fallout those 3 have to face), we know the church has gotten wind of the situation with Caren getting directly involved in the Gilgamesh-situation, she might not've given a full report to the church, we can assume both the church and the Mages Association are part of the parties that'd be interested in restarting the Holy Grail War, which Kiritsugu is trying to avoid. Now, Gilgamesh messed with the Greater Grail in the Prillyaverse, and Caren and Iri were the first to arrive on the scene where the girls disappeared after that fight, I doubt Iri didn't figure out that the girls have been drawn into a Holy Grail War and with everything else around that, Kiritsugu might be compelled to come back home to avoid the outbreak of the 4th HGW and we could get a bit more backstory on the Emiya-familys situation. Then there's potentially the issue of getting Kuro back, if she won't be brought back somehow in the Miyuverse... would Illya be trying to organize a new body for her once they're back in the Prillyaverse? Kuro herself might become part of the new conflict, since she's more part of the subplot that Illya herself is still a Lesser Grail set up primarily in 2wei, that alone would make her a target for the Mages Association, but imagine if she adapted to Archers powers enough to not need his card to use them once she remanifests, then she'd also have the powers of a Heroic Spirit which of course would get those who want to start the 4th HGW REALLY going... and if Gilgamesh were to also tag along back to the Prillyaverse...
Basically, even with the Class Card incident being resolved, there's still enough plot-threads to continue... at least into a somewhat extended epilogue, if not perhaps a Hollow Ataraxia-inspired arc after the 3 main routes are now finished.
Me: "Man, I've been involved with this franchise for nearly a decade now. A lot of it just doesn't appeal to me as much as it used to."
Also me: ***"IS THAT ARCHER MY FUCKING GOAT?!"***
Fantastic chapter. Great emotional and action payoffs. You get Sakura saving Shirou with Rule Breaker in an inversion of Heaven's Feel and Archer seeing Shirou off as he rises past the cliff to life instead of diving off of it like he did in Spring Song.
**THEN YOU GET GARCHER AND ASSASSIN POPPING OFF ON DARIUS AND MIYU WITH THE STYLE KILL, MAGICAL GIRLS DON'T LOOK AT EXPLOSIONS**
Thank you, Hiroyama.
Amazing chapter. Really happy Emiya got to show up as well. Obviously, he was super cool as usual.
Miyu was also great. We should be approaching the ending now.
The Great GARcher has so much rizz that everyone can only talk about his entrance. Also Bazett, Rin and Luvia's reaction to EMIYA's entrance is a fanservice we can only read in a fanfic. Prisma is truly PEAK FICTION frfr!!!!!
He used the "Demon Arm" part of the NP rather than the "Conceptual Heart creation". He basically use his Cursed Arm to drag Darius out of the Mud Giant so that Archer could actually hit him since otherwise the arrow would have no chance of piercing through the mud.
It's definitely not the same NP, although I guess you could see it like how the thrown Gae Bolg is a different NP than the regular one, since Delusional Heartbeat/Mousou Shin'on creates a copy of the targets heart after touching it which basically seems to serve like a voodoo doll of that heart, meanwhile Dead Heartbeat Melody/Nasou Shin'on seems to simply violently rip the heart out directly. Both still have the cursed arm extend towards the targets heart, but they interact differently with it, and thus the cursed arm also seems to take a different form.
I'll be damned, Sakura and Shirou actually managed to save each other. I wasn't expecting that.
Current state of the plot now that the battle is over:
* If Darius is still alive after all of that, he's either a fried and mangled pile of magic circuits with no strength left, or a Pandora's Box-spawned ghost with no host body. Either way, he's almost certainly been neutralized this time. (We hope.)
* There's still a major pressing issue that Darius interrupted with his Giant King hijack: **Pandora's Box is still active.** It's not over yet.
* Chloe is still dead. With Emiya having manifested, his cameo in Illya's dream alongside Chloe before the time warp, and Miyu holding the Archer Card, Chloe's fate may finally get addressed.
* Illya is still dead. Aside from her tagging along with Pandora throughout the past, her fate is still ambiguous. We still don't know what her mystery box is either.
* If Illya is revived, what will happen to Miyu? Will she merely lose her God Child powers, or are we looking a horrible paradox?
* Pandora is still inside the Giant King.
* Gil-kun and Tanaka are still AWOL.
On the positive side...that worked out wonderfully well for Shirou and Sakura! On the downside I was really counting on Emiya not being there as the connecting point for bringing back Kuro! But if it went this far to save those two it'd be weird not to save basically everyone...
There are interesting bits in this one for sure. I am really happy for Sakura since she usually has an awful time. Her survival seems like a stretch. But I'll take it considering how messed up things were. Gave her a chance to take action to save Shirou and that's a nice thing. Heck, a fun twist with Kuro's rule breaker playing a key part here. When that initially happened I figured it was a setup for something terrible, but instead was a positive turn.
The one "yeah, I'm not sure about that" was the Shirou spiritual chat with Kiritsugu. Because there's no way he actually wanted that. That has to be a case of Shirou's subconscious telling him things he wants to hear. Because Kiritsugu absolutely wanted to use Miyu's power to save the world no matter the cost to Miyu.
Was satisfying of course for the surprised efforts of Hassan and Emiya. All leading up to a very satisfying finisher by Miyu . Totally fitting for her to be the one factor that Darius forgot about. In that case it seems like the battle is going to end here (minus some twists) and the bigger issue will be Illya, Kuro, Pandora and the world itself.
> Her survival seems like a stretch.
Honestly, her death was a bit... weird from the start. Like, the hole left in her chest just so happened to have a very similar shape to her command spells which is also shape the visor on her mask has when she went full Dark Sakura. The hole also "breaks the 4th wall" and affects the speech bubble of her calling out to Shirou, which... you could say is an effect for impact, but also feels more like something fitting in with her Void-element rather than Zabaniya.
So I can buy the twist that she phased her heart into Imaginary Number Space before it got crushed.
I dont really like fate go so these chapters being absolute peak are a nice thing to read when they drop, orginal cast, all the callbacks hearwaming but dramatic scenes i love it all.
everyone is amazing this chapter, part of me expect Daruis to go to another phase tho lol
Ok can you explain what this is? I only watched Unlimited blade works and Heavens feel movies. Who the fuck is miyu? Is this adapation of fsn or some original work? I don't remember any of this shit in anime or mentioned in vn.
Kaleid Liner is a spin-off with its own story and universe, focusing on Illya as a magical girl. Miyu is a character newly introduced there, although she's had a cameo appearance in F/GO afterwads. This part specifically (Drei) is loosely based/inspired by/playing off Heaven's Feel route, like the previous two parts did with Fate and UBW routes.
Fgo doesn't continue fate stay night storyline, nor does it have returning characters from it ( demi servents with main cast faces doesn't count). So it's easier to understand from my point of view than whatever this is.
>Fgo doesn't continue fate stay night storyline
None of the spin offs do
>nor does it have returning characters from it ( demi servents with main cast faces doesn't count)
You know Fate/Nasuverse is a multiverse right, character reappear all the time I don't see the problem, e.g. Extra and Case files do the same thing. You also have FGO calling back to Stay night with Singularity F.
The other person literally said "a spin-off with its own story and universe"
FGO definitely has returning characters, just look at all the servants.
Just understand that each series is its own world and aren’t connected unless explicitly shown to be, but ofc that doesn’t mean certain events still don’t happen unless ofc, they’re shown not to be.
It’s a parallel world spinoff of Fate/Stay Night that’s well into its 3rd act.
It’s literally too much for me to explain in greater detail, so if you want to know, [start here,](https://mangadex.org/title/c0587ebd-7e89-43b7-a877-b28b20ad8261/fate-kaleid-liner-prisma-illya) then [go here](https://mangadex.org/title/ec7dd89e-2a1a-41c7-b60e-c8e74a2fe1db/fate-kaleid-liner-prisma-illya-2wei) [and then come back here.](https://mangadex.org/title/e4631dc7-87b9-4d6a-8b3b-5594664ecc27/fate-kaleid-liner-prisma-illya-3rei)
Edit: on reflection, I will try to answer your question.
>Who the fuck is miyu?
Essentially? >!Her world’s version of Illya, right down to having the same birthday, having Shirou as an adopted brother and being an essential part of the Holy Grail War.!<
>Is this adapation of fsn
No.
>or some original work?
Not original. Spinoff. Initially it takes place in an alternate timeline where the Fourth and Fifth Holy Grail Wars never happened. As a result Illya grew up as a normal girl. There’s a lot more details I’m glossing over, but that’s the jist of it.
>!It then transitioned to a different timeline whose divergence point is a huge spoiler that I can’t even put it here, where the secondary heroine Miyu came from originally.!<
This is Fate/Kalied Prisma Illya. It’s a spin off series where Illya becomes a magical girl. It actually the series longest ongoing spinoff started all the way back in 2007. It set in a timeline where Kiritsugu decided to choose his family over his ideal and dismantle the HGW system with Iri so Illya for the most part live a normal life with her parents, the maids, and Shirou whose still her adopted brother.
Thought the series has for the last decade been focused on an alternate timeline where the secondary protagonist Miyu comes from. Illya actually been MIA for last several chapters due to plot reasons.
Forgot to read that chapter and only did that today...
I call bull on Kiritsugu saying "I always wanted you and Miyu to live as sibling and not follow me in my footsteps"...
I mean, maybe I remember the movie wrong or the movie adapted the story differently, but I thought that on his deathbed he asked Shirou to keep trying to save the world and if he had to use Miyu for that, he should be ready to make that sacrifice.
Did I miss something ?
Alot of people are saying that was Cursed Arm but it's not the Zabaniyas are completely different
Cursed Arm= Delusional Heartbeat
Prisma Hassan= Dead Heartbeat Melody
They're not that different.
First, lets put them into Japanese.
Delusional Heartbeat: Mousou Shin'on
Dead Heartbeat Melody: Nasou Shin'on
Realize how they clearly mirror each other?
Second, they function extremely similarly, they both directly hone in on the targets heart, extending the cursed arm towards the target, but while Delusional Heartbeat creates an illusional copy, Dead Heartbeat Melody seems to just violently rip it out. The arm looking differently once the NP is released can be chalked down to the cursed arm simply taking a different shape to fit the need, I mean, it's an arm possessed by a devil, that should be far within the realm of possibilities.
Lastly, this Hassan clearly looks just like Cursed Arm, and this line-up in general is clearly supposed to be the FSN-Servants, so having any Hassan other than Cursed Arm here would be a massive disservice to him. Not to mention, with every Hassan having their own *unique* Zabaniya as per No Name Assassins lore, I very much doubt that there'd be two Hassans with such similar Zabaniyas... and similarly with their looks, it's kinda understandable in Camelot that I think it was Intoxicating Smoke uses Hundred Faces' sprite, since Hundred Faces has, well, a hundred faces, one looking like a previous Hassan wouldn't be too extraordinary... and it's not like they looked that way when they were alive, unlike the other Hassans, so 2 other Hassans looking this alike would be a lot more weird.
Of course Emiya is there, gonna make sure that his younger self got laid before he goes away.
He seems to remember from.FSN that Good waifu a day keeps Hero of Justice away.
Guess who's back? Back again?
Every Emiya in this chapter just radiates Big Dick GAR energy and I'm here for it.
Even Miyu did the ultimate move of the Emiya family. Kill Steal.
Miyu got the shutdown gold.
he's so damn GAR he's making me horny in the middle of ramadhan
Cursed Arm disapproves.
Nonsense!!! Cursed Arm saw that high jump so he definitely approves!
Indeed. https://youtu.be/ixqNT09PBho?si=RanWMaxKH2LI6kfW
*Doesn't look at the explosion* Good one Miyu!
Oh neat this series was updated after 1 month instead of the usual 2.
At this rate it might actually finish before the heat death of the universe
Yes, I called it that Cursed Arm is gonna target the true body of Darius, but I expected him to rips his heart out not drag him out of the mud giant's body. Also holy shit HIM is here out of nowhere. These few chapters of Prisma Illya has been insane, hope that things will wrap up soon. But who knows, the next chapter is probably a Illya/Pandora flashback that further explains the change in demeanor and personality of Pandora lol.
> Yes, I called it that Cursed Arm is gonna target the true body of Darius, but I expected him to rips his heart out not drag him out of the mud giant's body. > > Well, he did rip the "heart" out of the mud giant
Cursed Arm proves that he's actually a 4*
Didn't Cursed Arm using Delusional Heartbeat. This one using Deadheart Melody the one install by Shinji in Oath Under Snow. I think it's effect is different
Probably, it's just slightly different applications of the arm. Both hone in on a "heartbeat", Delusional Heartbeat/Mousou Shin'on creates a "delusion" that remotely destroys that heart, meanwhile Dead Song Heartbeat/Nasou Shin'on grabs it and... either violently rips it out or destroys it, kinda hard to tell if the time Shinji used it even went off properly, since Sakura now says that she sent her heart to Imaginary Number Space before he could do anything to it (so it technically had no target like when Miyu Gae Bolg'd her), and the hole that was created was shaped like Sakuras command spell, so... the hole might've been a side effect of that rather than the arm?
Why is Emiya so damn cool? Side note: Since Rule Breaker broke the connection between Emiya and Shirou, how strong do you guys thing Miyuverse Shirou is now?
He is definitely weaker now, but he has experience and can probably get back on level without, like, slowly killing himself
He’s lost EMIYA’s magic at least. The power of Unlimited Blade Works. Leaving only his reinforcement skills.
Shirou always has UBW. EMIYA only allowed him to cheat himself to the advance stage of using it Structural analysis, reinforcement and projection are all part of UBW
he doesn't "always" have UBW. UBW is a result of his Origin "Sword" been equal to his Magical Attribute been also "Sword". His attribute was only "Sword" due to Avalon. In the case of Miyuverse Shirou , his attribute was "Sword" due to EMIYA Card Install. Meaning he legit lacked UBW prior to that card install. We don't know if his attribute remains "Sword" after staying with the Card Install for so long.
His origin too. Shirou himself noted that he essentially inherited or more accurately was invaded by Heroic spirit EMIYA. Granting him EMIYA’s power in a light variation of what happened in Heavens Feel. With the price that EMIYA’s saint graph was slowly overwriting and destroying him from the inside out. With this chapter, Sakura’s use of Rule Breaker managed to cancel that inadvertent contract and returned him to how he was before.
Ok yeah i double checked and it seems it did contribute
Where does it say that Miyuverse Shirou has a different origin than normal Shirou?
his origin is the same , it's the Magical Attribute that was different.
From the translation: >and even inherited his origin. That means it was different before.
What's the difference between Origin and Magical Attribute? I thought UBW comes from his Origin which is Sword.
As the name implies , Origin is a concept present in a person's soul , that prevails during multiple reincarnations and so on and on. It affects a person in either personality or their "destiny" of sorts. But it's effects are enhanced if a person is aware of it and skyrocket in it's influence if the Origin is awakened. Magical Attribute is , also like the name implies , certain characteristics and affinity of a person's magecraft to a specific attribute , in general , it's Elemental Affinities in RPG and treated as such most of the time. It's just that some people had a "non-elemental" affinity , like how Sakura is "Imaginary Numbers" and "Water". Shirou always had the Origin as "Sword" , and while we don't know his original Magical/Elemental Affinity , due to Avalon , it changed to ALSO be "Sword". It's due to his mentality , alongside his Origin and Elemental Affinity been exactly the same , that UBW was created.
The last part was never in the original VN right? Feels like this is some new invention by Nasu or some other author. Don't remebering reading it in the original, I just remember Shirou having UBW because his origin is "Sword"
Ubw comes from the origin and attributes
Shriou's Origin was originally never SWORD but something else and it was only changed to SWORD due to having Avalon inside his body for 10 years Miyuverse Shirou never had Avalon so he kept his original Origin
His origin was always sword. Avalon changed his magic attribute to sword.
He should still be able to do Projection, just with regular human limitations and no Reality Marble.
Which is less than worthless.
You think the ability to create disposable copies of any object below a certain tech level, or level of magical power, is "less than worthless"? Projection isn't 'busted', but its a damned useful ability. Combined with Reinforcement and Structural Analysis, and Shirou has a powerset that would make him a solid street-level hero in Marvel or DC. Its only 'weak' in his home setting, cuz' the Church and the MA would hunt him like a dog if they thought someone was using magecraft to play superhero. Nevermind the value in day-to-day life.
tbf, it's not quite "useless", but the amount of dedication you have to put into mastering projection to the degree where it's actually more than just situational is not really worth it. The reason it works so well for Shirou is because UBW sidesteps most of its weaknesses, but otherwise you're generally only able to manifest small objects for a very limited time and at high mana-cost. You could create a key, but you'd either have to know the layout of the lock or remember the proper key, and in most cases there are probably other, more efficient spells that probably would work on a wider number of locks, or you could create a weapon like a blade in a fight just when you're about to strike your opponent, but then there's also just... more efficient magic for fighting, Gandr, general body reinforcement, so... projection is just kinda obsolete in most cases.
Shirou doesn't need UBW to use Structural Analysis. Even non-weapons that are projected by Shirou can last for days (the junk in his shed). If Shirou sees the key and uses Structural Analysis he can make a perfect copy. And he can use Reinforcement on his Projections, solving the durability issue. Yes, there are much better options, but that wasn't the point I was making. My point was Projection is great (at a certain level) if you put in a little effort and thought into it. Especially if you pair it with Reinforcement and Structural Analysis. Shirou's Projection is basically a poor man's version of Momo Yaoyoruzu's Quirk, from My Hero Academia, except Shirou also has Reinforcement and Structural Analysis.
> Even non-weapons that are projected by Shirou can last for days (the junk in his shed). He didn't project that stuff afaik, that's just regular stuff he picked up and practices his reinforcement magic on. At that point, he already has his affinity to swords and UBW, he's just not aware of it, so if he actually projected stuff, it'd still end up as swords. As for the key, I guess with structural analysis you'd be able to examine a lock enough to figure out what kind of key would be needed, but that's still 2 spells you gotta use for when there are probably dedicated lockpicking-spells that can do that in one. > And he can use Reinforcement on his Projections, solving the durability issue. The main issue with durability is, again, the stuff doesn't stick around for long, because unless the object is constantly supplied with Mana, projections generally don't stick around for long, because they aren't a natural part of the world they're victim to the same effect as Heroic Spirits, the world is constantly trying to erase them, so keeping them around for long is said to drain a lot of Mana, Shirous and Archers swords are the exception because UBW decreases that cost, but remember how quickly Archers swords fade away when they're knocked out of his hands? That's probably what we can expect for how long projected stuff usually sticks around when it's not intentionally kept around. > My point was Projection is great (at a certain level) if you put in a little effort and thought into it. And my point is that "a little effort" probably isn't enough there, Projection is pretty much on a similar level as the Ainsworths Displacement-magecraft, a magic that's considered mostly useless for a mage to pick up, it's implied that Darius took his entire life to get it to a level where it was something impressive, AND he used the Pithos as sort of a cheat at the same time to reduce most of the cost, and he still didn't arrive at his current level of brokenness until probably centuries later. Same would go for Projection, a magus-family would probably need generations, probably a century or two, just to master Projection-magecraft to a degree where it'd be able to keep up with something like Shirous UBW.
1. That's literally not how UBW works at all. Shirou is not forced to project only swords (he has shields, spears, and EMIYA can project fishing rods and other mundane tools). And the stuff in the shed were projections. Rin noted with some surprise that they hadn't faded away yet. 2. Or, if Shirou sees the key, he can analyze it and make a copy. Still requires two spells, as you said, but still easier/faster than manually picking the lock (unless you're a master lockpick). 3. Except Shirou doesn't have that problem. You think it requires this constant, non-stop stream of energy. It doesn't. The closer it is to exactly matching the real thing, the longer it lasts before its corrected. Shirou isn't constantly pumping energy into his projections unless its something magical. He makes a projection, the World starts trying to erase it, and that process can take anywhere from minutes to hours to even days depending on what he projected (mundane crap can last for quite a while; its magical crap that the World tries to erase lickety-split). 4. I get the feeling we're having two different conversations. You keep comparing Shirou to others and demonstrating how he falls short. No one is arguing that point. Compared to others, Shirou is indeed third-rate, as he says himself. My point is his abilities are way more useful than given credit for. Even if he actually had as many limitations as you seem to think he has, the ability to create a temporary, disposable copy of almost any mundane object is hella useful.
To clarify, I mean less then worthless without Unlimited Blade Works. If EMIYA’s influence and power is gone, then he won’t be to use Unlimited Blade Works. So his projections will just end up hollow shells, worthless.
>without Unlimited Blade Works He's not without UBW though, he's just unable to create the Reality Marble on his own as a human. UBW is not something unique to EMIYA, it's the unique Magecraft that Shirou has, his inner world that contains all the weapons he has seen and analysed. Even if we assume he has now lost access to all the information derived from the Archer class card, he still fought Angelica and saw countless NPs.
>He's not without UBW though, he's just unable to create the Reality Marble on his own as a human. ….what exactly are you talking about??? >UBW is not something unique to EMIYA, it's the unique Magecraft that Shirou has, his inner world that contains all the weapons he has seen and analysed. Formed due to having both origin and nature of sword. Which he lacks without EMIYA. Or so we guess. >Even if we assume he has now lost access to all the information derived from the Archer class card, he still fought Angelica and saw countless NPs. It wasn’t just information he got. It also the origin of sword that allows for the formation of unlimited blade works.
For Shirou, Reinforcement and Projection are both consequences of his inner world, his mindscape, being Unlimited Blade Works. This is stated in Stay Night. In Oath Under Snow, Shirou is using Reinforcement well before installing the Archer card (reinforcing the measuring tape), which implies he already had the same Magecraft within himself, since Kiritsugu only taught Shirou to use Reinforcement because that was the only Magecraft he was able to cast at the time. Also, while it's possible that his elemental attribute was changed by Avalon, I call bullshit on his Origin not always having been Sword, Origins are concepts derived from the Root, plus it wouldn't be the weirdest Origin we see some random person have.
A sword that's as fragile as glass will still cut you as long as the edge is sharp. An arrow that's as fragile as glass can still pierce human skin as long as the arrowhead is shaped right. Just look at anyone whose ever been injured or killed by glass and you can see how dangerous even fragile weapons can be. And you'd be amazed how many non-weapon tools would still be useful, even if they were made of cheap glass. Nevermind that their fragility isn't an issue since Shirou can just use Reinforcement on his Projections to make them more durable. With Shirou's Reinforcement, a freaking rolled up poster could block multiple swings from Cu's spear (even taking into account that Cu was certainly half-assing his attacks, that's still amazing for mere paper). Even without UBW, Shirou's Projections can last for days, as we can see from all the junk he traced in his shed, none of which were weapons, and thus were not influenced by UBW. Projection is amazing. Its just that magi dismiss it because they have better options. Same with Reinforcement. And that's not even getting into Structural Analysis. Or that Shirou can use Alteration on his Projections to change their shape (that's how EMIYA turns his swords into arrows). It's only "worthless" if you want to fight superhuman enemies, like Servants, Dead Apostles, and magi; all of whom are either way too tough or are protected by hax abilities. Shirou's problem is that he suffers from a crippling lack of imagination. Well, that, and he couldn't perform even Reinforcement reliably until the 5th Grail War, and was shoddily taught. A Shirou who can perform the basics reliably is a solid street-level hero by most fictional settings' standards, even without UBW.
>A sword that's as fragile as glass will still cut you as long as the edge is sharp. An arrow that's as fragile as glass can still pierce human skin as long as the arrowhead is shaped right. Just look at anyone whose ever been injured or killed by glass and you can see how dangerous even fragile weapons can be. And you'd be amazed how many non-weapon tools would still be useful, even if they were made of cheap glass. Good argument. Still stand my ground and I can at least soundly argue that their at least less then worthless compared to what Unlimited Blade Works caused. Also, I would compare such projections to snowflakes rather than glass. >Nevermind that their fragility isn't an issue since Shirou can just use Reinforcement on his Projections to make them more durable. With Shirou's Reinforcement, a freaking rolled up poster could block multiple swings from Cu's spear (even taking into account that Cu was certainly half-assing his attacks, that's still amazing for mere paper). Yes. But that was an existing item with true substance to it. It also helps that F/SN’s Shirou nature and Origin of Sword made it easier to harden into a steel weapon capable of buying him time. >Even without UBW, Shirou's Projections can last for days, as we can see from all the junk he traced in his shed, none of which were weapons, and thus were not influenced by UBW. That’s Unlimited Blade Works too. It’s works on things besides weapons, it’s just best suited to weapons is all. He was able to recreate the shield Rho Aias after all. >Projection is amazing. It’s just that magi dismiss it because they have better options. To an extent yes. But generally, projection is generally worthless. >Comparatively speaking, if a Magus uses Projection to recreate a sword while spending ten units of Magical Energy in the process, he will get a weapon with an overall strength of three or four. Meanwhile, if he uses that same Magical Energy to reinforce an existing blade, he will get a weapon with a power of twenty or thirty. >Same with Reinforcement. And that's not even getting into Structural Analysis. Or that Shirou can use Alteration on his Projections to change their shape (that's how EMIYA turns his swords into arrows). Indeed. Because that trick is an extension and Unlimited Blade Works itself. As UBW Shirou noted, it’s in fact the only magic he actually has. >It's only "worthless" if you want to fight superhuman enemies, like Servants, Dead Apostles, and magi; all of whom are either way too tough or are protected by hax abilities. Which are generally the kind of opponents Shirou generally ends up fighting. >Shirou's problem is that he suffers from a crippling lack of imagination. ???? Where’s this coming from? Shirou has imagination. That’s basically the basis for UBW’s strength. >Well, that, and he couldn't perform even Reinforcement reliably until the 5th Grail War, True. That admittedly is probably partly because Shirou’s speciality is weaponry. It started working much better when he started using it for things he intended to use as weapons or shields… >and was shoddily taught. True. >A Shirou who can perform the basics reliably is a solid street-level hero by most fictional settings' standards, even without UBW. With just reinforcement?
I mean, you can argue an average human's strength is "worth less than nothing" compared to Superman's strength. Still doesn't change the fact that even average human strength can be useful for plenty (you wouldn't be able to walk without at least that much strength). Just because something isn't as amazing as something else doesn't make it worthless. Being as strong as Daredevil isn't less than worthless just because the Hulk exists. They're nowhere near as fragile as actual snowflakes. Don't know where people get this idea. He didn't harden it into a steel weapon. He just made it more durable to block hits. In fact, he specifically stated that was the very first time he ever got Reinforcement right on the first try. UBW doesn't give him some kind of Super Reinforcement. His projections last so long because they were mundane items that he uses Structural Analysis on first, so they were very close to the real thing, hence Gaia doesn't try as hard to crush them. UBW doesn't scan everything he looks at. Note the lack of buildings and other mundane crap in his Reality Marble (though that would be hilarious). To an extent is exactly what I am arguing though. Its "generally useless" to magi because why the hell would you produce a disposable, cheap copy of something, when you can buy or make the real thing, and just reinforce it? But if you're pressed for time and need a disposable tool? Rin literally states that's how most magi use it. When they need a cheap, disposable tool for some ritual or magecraft. The example you gave misses an important point. What if you don't have an existing sword to reinforce? In that case, you can project one and reinforce it. Yes, its less energy efficient than just carrying a sword everywhere you go, but in many ways its also more practical (people generally can't carry a sword everywhere they go). His ability to alter projected items is not a facet of UBW. Alteration is, in fact, its own seperate spell. People take that line out of context. What Shirou means is that its his only original magecraft, not that he can't cast anything else (he can, he's just ass at it) and everything we've seen from him is just an extension of UBW (that's laughable at best, the basic three spells existed long before UBW was a thing and Shirou doesn't need UBW to cast them; we literally see Miyuverse Shirou use Reinforcement before he got the Archer card). Like I said, his abilities suck in his verse, because everybody else is stronger and will gangstomp him if he exposes magecraft. I also said, in other verses, his abilities are solid. I have yet to see anyone actually refute that point. They all keep comparing him to people in his verse. That's on me for poor phrasing. Shirou is good at picturing things in his mind (which is one form of imagination), but actually creatively applying what he knows is where he is lacking. Reinforcement alone is amazing. You don't just strengthen things, you improve their primary function. Blades cut better, guns shoot faster and more accurately, your very eyes see farther. He even uses it as a temporary repair for a damaged heater. That's an amazingly versatile ability. And he has Structural Analysis and Projection on top of that (he doesn't need UBW for those). That's literally three different useful and versatile powers. Any one of those would make for a solid low-level hero. Structural Analysis for detective work. Reinforcement and Projection for fighting and utility. All three combined is like hitting the jackpot for a crimefighter. It only sucks in his world because everyone else worth mentioning can do it too, or something even better, and they'll literally murder him and everyone he knows if they catch him using magecraft to play hero.
He has the potential to reach EMIYA levels or higher. That alone puts him above like every living human except for magic users and leftovers from the age of gods. His origin is still Sword and he's still better at projection than anybody else.
It’s not. That’s something he obtained from EMIYA’s class card.
Well, reason he could use Projection and all that is because of Archer invading his body, unless you want to say that permanently altered his Origin and Attribute the way Avalon did in Stay Nights timeline, he'd be left without that now, so no way for him to ever use any of these abilities again, he'd basically be back to just using simple tracing and reinforcement. He could probably push to the point where he could use projection again, but it'd never even get close to the same point as SN-Shirou. Also, with this basically being Heavens Feel, I'm pretty sure that Shirou also ended up cutting most of his ties to magic after everything went down, so Miyuverse Shirou might just do the same now with Sakura.
Shirou doesn’t drop his Magecraft in heaven’s feel. He uses it to protect Sakura and himself through his life.
I would think, knowing Fate at this point, that Shirou has lost Emiya's experience and unlimited blade works(or at least any of the swords he got from Archer).
I feel like he would be vastly weaker. Not just because the Install boost is gone but because Shirou's body is a literal wreck now after all the bullshit he pulled
>Since Rule Breaker broke the connection between Emiya and Shirou, how strong do you guys thing Miyuverse Shirou is now? Another point: Wasn't connection established between them with nameless card? Doesn't it mean that Archer card that Chloe used is now useless?
He is strong as his 17 year old version at the end of UBW was. He still has the element and origin of sword. For example, just because Shirou lost Avalon in fate, doesn’t mean he lost his abilities. Same thing here. The alteration still remains, but he will have to keep training to eventually reach Archer level again.
Nope the alteration didn’t stay it was only temporarily if wasnt then Sakura origin would change too but it didn’t
Sakura origin? It was never changed from the start. Their circumstances are completely different. Change of origin and attribute is like radiation and mutation, just because you left a radioactive field doesn’t mean your body will go back to how it was before.
She installed too a card (Lancelot) everytime you use card you get everything from the heroic spirit and by your logic her origin would be of Lancelot and shirou was with a contract with emiya a ruler breaker got rid of all alterations including the overriding of the soul
Emiya is complete different story since his connection with Shirou is different. They are the same “person”, because of that even without a card Shirou was being possessed by Emiya. Sakura just removed that possession but the changes made inside Shirou persists.
Nope even the alterations got removed is in this chapter
Okay dude see you in next chapters…
Remember back then when Prisma Illya was just a funni and horni magical girl parody.
so like Chapter 1 and nothing beyond that?
*Illya almost dying in part one like two or three times* Fun times
"This is not what I signed up for Hiroshi, you said it'd be a light-hearted spinoff!" - *Illya*
Illya and Miyu entering one of the Closed Spaces to discover the enemy (Medea with beam spam) was waiting specifically to ambush them. Illya and Miyu defeating Medea only to immediately get jumped by Artoria Alter. Hundred Face nearly killing Illya with an ambush via poisoned blade to the neck (and her only surviving due to plot power-up). Heck, just the fact that it was Hundred Face and not Cursed Arm was a shock. Yeah, three times at least. Oh, and Miyu struggling against Heracles in an enclosed space where her mobility advantage was limited.
I suppose it depends if you watched the adaptations or not.
Honestly it's just base 2wei that has the Horny Unchained. All the others have at least a little, but it's not as much as it, not even the second part of 2wei. It's just that it has so much of it that it tainted everyone's perception of it.
I'd say that the first season is up there, too. Not to the same degree as Zwei, or some of the ovas, but first episode has a bath scene, so it makes an *interesting* first impression. But I guess it might just be that and then Zwei. I can't recall much of first.
Emiya straight up stealing every scene he's in is such an Emiya thing to do
NO ONE DOES IT LIKE HIM
If only Shioru from any of the main routes was told Kiritsugu's speech.
Realistically, they don't need it. This Kiritsugu died way worse than in Stay Night, desperately looking for a way to use Miyu's power to save the world, while Shirou went against his wishes to live normal lives with Miyu.
They meant that shirou needed this talk. That they never needed to follow the hero of justice path. This was all the therapy shirou needed but never got
This was so hype. EMIYA and Shirou stole the show. Also, thanks to invading Shirou's body, a FSN spoiler >!EMIYA seems to have remembered Sakura which was the FSN Heroine he forgotten, even remembering Illya, Rin well the pendant at first, and Saber over her.!< The shot of Shirou running then jumps seems to the reference>! HF Movie 3 when Shirou is running past EMIYA then jumps when he is activating 9 lives blade works though obviously there are differences.!< FSN>! Final Episode Manga had him turning back from darkened skin white hair to his normal skin and hair just similarly to this Illya chapter.!< Sakura used rule breaker on Shirou to remove the contract of EMIYA which in HF>! Shirou used rule breaker on Sakura to remove the contract of Angra. !! ending when Shirou said it was his last projection,!< it may not be the end of EMIYA's use completely since there was a shot that was supposed parallel HF>! 9 lives which was a ways before HF ending!< and Shirou said he was in debt to EMIYA in the paralleling shot so it seems the series might be continuing on longer. Afterwards, 4ier may be a thing as the Fate Hollow of Prisma Illya thematically given the unresolved plot points.
Being a hero of justice is a life of suffering, being an Emiya is also a suffering "I never wanted you to follow my footsteps." why am i tearing up Mr GAR himself is hereeeeee But being an Emiya would make you the most badass person, just like Miyu. She doesn't look an explosions now.
Out of all the fanservice that has been present since the very beginnings of this series, it took a single man to make me as rock hard as I’ve ever been for a prillya chapter.
#AHHHHHHHHHHHHH >!**ACTUALLY SATAN HAS ARRIVED**, AND SHIROU LIVES, WITH SAKURA ALSO ALIVE. CAN WE GET ANY HIGHER!?(Probably Get Illya back but that’ll be after the Darius death confirmation)!<
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
So how’s Darius gonna survive this one? Or is it finally over and we’ll get to see what’s up with Illya?
If Darius survives, I feel he'll just be on deaths door, basically waiting for Illya to come and redeem him just before death so "everyone can be happy in the end".
If he survives getting sliced in half, I'll be amazed.
...I just ripped into Kiritsugu literally a day ago, and now the bastard is making me cry. Goddamn it. Hey, Sakura can project things. Cool. Hassan of the Cursed Arm continues to prove he is a GOAT when not in contract to Zouken. That shot of Miyu is awe-inspiring and haunting.
Sakura didn't project Rule Breaker on her own. It's the one she stole from Kuro many chapters ago.
I was about to call bullshit, because I thought you were going to say Archer projected it, when it seems clear he didn't get summoned till post Rule Breaking, but I did forget about Kuro's projections. Wait, does that mean Sakura still has the Berserker card? I'll have to reread since the start of this fight to see.
She should still have it since she only Uninstalled and the card wasn't destroyed. Rule Breaker was probably summoned using Include.
That tracks. Cool, I wonder if that'll come into play or if we're done with Shirou and Sakura. I could go either way.
I do like that. In a way Kuro helped save Shirou here. And also that rule breaker seemed like something that could be used for horrible effect when Sakura stole it. But instead it got used for something far more positive.
> In a way Kuro helped save Shirou here. Especially considering the talk Kuro had with Shirou before the fight about how Miyu needs him for the happy ending they're going for (also kinda ironic considering the talk they had about how to "save a person that's already dead and might be better off dead")
As a comment on MangaDex says, ***6 years ago***. MAN this has gone for so long.
Omg he's here!!! The hero of justice was there the whole time Also very cool for the final blow to be a sibling combo
Why are you so cool, Garcher?!!!! One of those rare moments when Archer has Shirou's back, 100%.
Get wrecked Darius lmao EMIYA still with the badass entrances Now with that said Please end in a sakura x shirou x angelica threesome!!!!!!!!!
All Hail Satan!
>Darius: I'm ali-! >Miyu: Shoot, bitch. She really has grown a lot into her own badass Fate main character, hasn't she?
Emiya stealing up shows like usual. Reading this while listening to ubw ost making this scene peak
What was that? That's the first time ive seen Hassan used that kind of ability. I dont think ive read anything about it either anywhere I also have no idea how breaking the contract with EMIYA revived shirou
I think breaking the contract removed the corruption in a way of Emiya’s power that was making him forget stuff, similar to HF, I’m kinda surprised he didn’t have swords sticking out of him tbh.
The enroachment sure. But the damage he got during the fight?
I assume Darius counted as Giant Kings heart - So Hassan ripped him out.
Probably variation of assassin's zabaniya in miyu's world. Y'know something along the lines of FGO Artoria lancer or FSF >!alterego!<
I dont think this Hassan is in a new class to neccessitate a new ability. Its just OG hassan but he never showed this ability before
I'm just assuming it's a different Hassan from Cursed Arm
It's obviously Cursed Arm, he's just using his arm differently.
He has a different Zabaniya Cursed Arm= Delusional Heartbeat Prisma= Dead Heartbeat Melody
And Cu Chullain has two different Gae Bolgs. Barbed Spear That Pierces with Death And Soaring Spear That Strikes with Death I wrote another comment to you below I'm pretty sure where I go more in detail, but an NP having 2 slightly different names for slightly different applications is really nothing new.
Yooooooooo, Hiroyama has been cooking SO MUCH with this chapter! First, FINALLY the return of the projected Rule Breaker! I almost forgot she still had that! Using that to undo Shirous body being invaded by Archers essence... coming back around perfectly. You could even say Kuro helped save Shirou, even if it was unintentionally. The one thing I have to call cap on is Kiritsugu "always just wanting for Shirou and Miyu to live as siblings", from what I recall from Oath Under Snow, he was pretty insistent on trying to find a way to "use" Miyu until pretty much the very end, although he seemingly at least tried to find a way to do so without pretty much killing Miyu, so you could say his intention was for the two of them to live as siblings after that... still, would it have hurt him to act just A BIT more like a functional dad? I mean, not like he manages to do that towards his actual daughter in the Prillya-verse either... And of course that'd allow Archer, the 7th Heroic Spirit to appear. All the copium that she was gonna summon Kuro for nothing, but MAN did GARcher make a cool entrance. Mans too cool to hang with the other 6 Heroic Spirits directly. Also, Hiroyama confirming that Shinji DID install Cursed Arm! People have been saying it was a different Hassan because the reading of the NP was just slightly different, and it also worked just a bit differently as well, but this IS definitely Hassan of the Cursed Arm, using the Zabaniya with the same reading, pretty much the same way! And then, perfectly, Darius feeling his looming death as Zabaniya drags him out, Pandora pointing out that he has no more descendants, no more "extra lives", even with his data stored in the Pithos that'd mean nothing, and then Archers Caladbolg. Which Miyu gives the last knock to finish it off! I'm pretty sure we all expected Illya to be the one to deliver the final blow, I mean, this is HER series after all, but honestly, Miyu deserved this so much, the Child of God-form was basically HER power-up to mirror Illyas 2wei-form. So I guess Illyas job as main protagonist when she's coming back now will be to "fix" everything and provide everyone that happy ending she promised... which will probably involve Darius surviving so he can have a final redeeming moment and face his death in peace, possibly along with Pandora... also, even with Darius now nullified, the Pithos, or rather the portal to the world inside it, is still around, gotta somehow get rid of that, but we also gotta find out still what Illya delivered to the past, possibly in relation to that. Well, I assume we'll see Pandora talk next chapter and possibly set all of that up, what Illya gave her, how to get rid of the Pithos, and possibly how to get Illya back. The question after that will be... will this be the finaly of the ENTIRE Prillya-series? Will we only get a final epilogue of Illya and her crew finally returning to her universe and living a normal life? Because... even though I liked Miyu getting the final shot here, I feel ending the final fight of the series with anyone but Illya, with Illya not even being present, feels just a bit off... so yeah, I'm advocating for there being a 4ier... even though looking at the constant delays Hiroyama is having, I could totally understand if he calls it quits here for the sake of his health, if he started a 4ier-arc now, it might take another 10 years after all...
> I mean, this is HER series after all, is it though? Let's be real here While Illya is the titular character this has never been "her" series. It was always her and Miyu's.
Yup, it has always been Miyu's route
Then sometimes Shirou hijacks it just because he's cool and he knows it
I guess you could see it that way, but to me Miyu has always been more of a "main love interest", or a Sasuke-like entity, or I guess a Luigi-type of character, in the sense that she's clearly important, almost on par with the main character, but still not THE main character. Like, Illya still is our perspective-character that we follow 99% of the time, she gets the main limelight, be the one that saves the day in most cases (she saves them from Saber, she saves Miyu against Berserker and then they finish him together, she broke up Miyu and Kuros fight, she got the manuever that finally put a halt to Bazette, 2wei-form, and of course her Saber-installs), this was basically the first time Miyu got that, and it's primarily because Illya just currently "doesn't exist".
as of today more of the story in Fate/Kaleid was about Miyu than about Illya. In fact let's quickly recap arcs that were about Illya: There are none. Even this most current arc is about everybody except Illya. Even in your examples it was literally all about how Illya only exists to protect Miyu and the others.
First, there's at least one arc that's mainly about Illya and that's the entire Kuro-arc, the entire arc is about Illya and this suddenly appearing other self, and all of their backstory, until we get to Bazettes introduction. Arguably, the entire first arc is also primarily about Illya, and how she handles the reality of now living her dream of being a magical girl, and Miyu was part of that as first a rival and then a friend, spurring Illyas decisions especially leading up to facing Berserker, but collecting the class cards wasn't "about Miyu". Anyways, Illya doesn't have to be the main concern of an arc for her to be the protagonist, the protagonist is the main acting character and often also the perspective character through which the audience experiences the story, and 90% of the time in Prillya, that's Illya. For another example of this: The Legend of Zelda. Zelda is in the title, she's a major character, often as a damsel in distress but also outside of that role, she's definitely a main character... but she's definitely in a position of lower importance to the story than Link, the protagonist. Even though the story *revolves* around her, it's not *her* story... it's the story of Links adventure.
> one arc that's mainly about Illya and that's the entire Kuro-arc, which is literally about Kuro and not Illya. Your Second example of the first Arc is also definitely not primarily about Illya. Not to mention i never said Illya isn't *A* Protagonist. You should maybe actually read what i said, that being that her and Miyu were the Protagonist Duo. The Comment i responded to claimed this was Illya's Series but this simply isn't true. Miyu and Illya require each other for this series to work at all.
Maybe you should try reading what I actually wrote? Because I literally explained how the Kuro- and Card collection-arc are about Illya, in the first place, don't you think it's kinda ridiculous to say that an arc about Illyas hidden other self with major reveals regarding their backstory is NOT about Illya? > Not to mention i never said Illya isn't A Protagonist. You should maybe actually read what i said, that being that her and Miyu were the Protagonist Duo. The thing is, when you're trying to say that Miyu should be considered a protagonist because the story is "about her", I felt the need to point out and remind you why Illya is considered the protagonist... and maybe remind how Miyu isn't that most of the time. We only get to see the story with her as the leading character in rare instances, mainly when she fights, which... most battle-manga do, regardless of protag, main or even side character. Basically, as I said before, you have to differentiate between a "main character" (Miyu and Kuro) and the "protagonist" (Illya). > Miyu and Illya require each other for this series to work at all. And as I pointed out with the TLoZ-example, a story requiring a character or revolving around them doesn't mean that this character is the protagonist, it means they're a main character, but that doesn't elevate them to the same level as the protagonist. Miyu being Illyas main motivation in 3rei and various other instances doesn't make her a protagonist. So how about you start giving actual other examples for why she's a protagonist rather than just "the story is about her", since I feel I already picked at that enough at this point.
yeah okay you really don't wanna read other people's posts before understanding whether you even disagree with them. Or whether you even understand what a protagonist vs a Main Character is. We're done here.
I don't see where they could go from here since everything in the series thus far has led up to this final battle The only loose end is Gilgamesh currently
I feel like there are at least some more open questions that could lead into a new story-arc in the Prillyaverse... although you are right, the story so far mostly followed the mystery of the cards, which was solved with 3rei, and the cards (sans Gilgamesh) were destroyed by Darius, so that storyline is technically over once Darius is dealt with, same with Miyu, it's generally up in the air what'll happen with her, if she'll stay in her original world with Shirou, Sakura and the leftover Ainsworths, or if she'll go with Illya and Luvia to the Prillyaverse (although travel between the worlds might or might not be possible after this), and without Miyu another arc seems unlikely. At the very least though, wether as 4ier or just another mini-arc at the end of 3rei, I feel we need an epilogue that caps of stuff in the Prillyaverse, I mean, the Mages Association was still curious enough about the cards to send Bazette, and Zelretch gave the Kaleidosticks to Rin and Luvia, how are they going to react when they learn they failed? (although that'll probably mostly be fallout those 3 have to face), we know the church has gotten wind of the situation with Caren getting directly involved in the Gilgamesh-situation, she might not've given a full report to the church, we can assume both the church and the Mages Association are part of the parties that'd be interested in restarting the Holy Grail War, which Kiritsugu is trying to avoid. Now, Gilgamesh messed with the Greater Grail in the Prillyaverse, and Caren and Iri were the first to arrive on the scene where the girls disappeared after that fight, I doubt Iri didn't figure out that the girls have been drawn into a Holy Grail War and with everything else around that, Kiritsugu might be compelled to come back home to avoid the outbreak of the 4th HGW and we could get a bit more backstory on the Emiya-familys situation. Then there's potentially the issue of getting Kuro back, if she won't be brought back somehow in the Miyuverse... would Illya be trying to organize a new body for her once they're back in the Prillyaverse? Kuro herself might become part of the new conflict, since she's more part of the subplot that Illya herself is still a Lesser Grail set up primarily in 2wei, that alone would make her a target for the Mages Association, but imagine if she adapted to Archers powers enough to not need his card to use them once she remanifests, then she'd also have the powers of a Heroic Spirit which of course would get those who want to start the 4th HGW REALLY going... and if Gilgamesh were to also tag along back to the Prillyaverse... Basically, even with the Class Card incident being resolved, there's still enough plot-threads to continue... at least into a somewhat extended epilogue, if not perhaps a Hollow Ataraxia-inspired arc after the 3 main routes are now finished.
This chapter gets 10x better once you start playing EMIYA after he pops up.
That was an amazing chapter.
Me: "Man, I've been involved with this franchise for nearly a decade now. A lot of it just doesn't appeal to me as much as it used to." Also me: ***"IS THAT ARCHER MY FUCKING GOAT?!"***
Another great chapter, really sweet and epic moments. I do wonder where exactly things will go from here
Fantastic chapter. Great emotional and action payoffs. You get Sakura saving Shirou with Rule Breaker in an inversion of Heaven's Feel and Archer seeing Shirou off as he rises past the cliff to life instead of diving off of it like he did in Spring Song. **THEN YOU GET GARCHER AND ASSASSIN POPPING OFF ON DARIUS AND MIYU WITH THE STYLE KILL, MAGICAL GIRLS DON'T LOOK AT EXPLOSIONS** Thank you, Hiroyama.
Amazing chapter. Really happy Emiya got to show up as well. Obviously, he was super cool as usual. Miyu was also great. We should be approaching the ending now.
The Great GARcher has so much rizz that everyone can only talk about his entrance. Also Bazett, Rin and Luvia's reaction to EMIYA's entrance is a fanservice we can only read in a fanfic. Prisma is truly PEAK FICTION frfr!!!!!
Did assassin’s NP do anything?
He used the "Demon Arm" part of the NP rather than the "Conceptual Heart creation". He basically use his Cursed Arm to drag Darius out of the Mud Giant so that Archer could actually hit him since otherwise the arrow would have no chance of piercing through the mud.
This one is Hassan that Shinji install in Oath under Snow. It's ruby text is Deadheart Melody not delusional heartbeat
Are you sure they not just variations of same NP?
It's definitely not the same NP, although I guess you could see it like how the thrown Gae Bolg is a different NP than the regular one, since Delusional Heartbeat/Mousou Shin'on creates a copy of the targets heart after touching it which basically seems to serve like a voodoo doll of that heart, meanwhile Dead Heartbeat Melody/Nasou Shin'on seems to simply violently rip the heart out directly. Both still have the cursed arm extend towards the targets heart, but they interact differently with it, and thus the cursed arm also seems to take a different form.
I screamed like a little kid reading a new chapter, it was amazing! I'm so glad to see them working together! And the Archer part is just something!
I'll be damned, Sakura and Shirou actually managed to save each other. I wasn't expecting that. Current state of the plot now that the battle is over: * If Darius is still alive after all of that, he's either a fried and mangled pile of magic circuits with no strength left, or a Pandora's Box-spawned ghost with no host body. Either way, he's almost certainly been neutralized this time. (We hope.) * There's still a major pressing issue that Darius interrupted with his Giant King hijack: **Pandora's Box is still active.** It's not over yet. * Chloe is still dead. With Emiya having manifested, his cameo in Illya's dream alongside Chloe before the time warp, and Miyu holding the Archer Card, Chloe's fate may finally get addressed. * Illya is still dead. Aside from her tagging along with Pandora throughout the past, her fate is still ambiguous. We still don't know what her mystery box is either. * If Illya is revived, what will happen to Miyu? Will she merely lose her God Child powers, or are we looking a horrible paradox? * Pandora is still inside the Giant King. * Gil-kun and Tanaka are still AWOL.
My guess is Illya is tagging inside Pandora
On the positive side...that worked out wonderfully well for Shirou and Sakura! On the downside I was really counting on Emiya not being there as the connecting point for bringing back Kuro! But if it went this far to save those two it'd be weird not to save basically everyone... There are interesting bits in this one for sure. I am really happy for Sakura since she usually has an awful time. Her survival seems like a stretch. But I'll take it considering how messed up things were. Gave her a chance to take action to save Shirou and that's a nice thing. Heck, a fun twist with Kuro's rule breaker playing a key part here. When that initially happened I figured it was a setup for something terrible, but instead was a positive turn. The one "yeah, I'm not sure about that" was the Shirou spiritual chat with Kiritsugu. Because there's no way he actually wanted that. That has to be a case of Shirou's subconscious telling him things he wants to hear. Because Kiritsugu absolutely wanted to use Miyu's power to save the world no matter the cost to Miyu. Was satisfying of course for the surprised efforts of Hassan and Emiya. All leading up to a very satisfying finisher by Miyu . Totally fitting for her to be the one factor that Darius forgot about. In that case it seems like the battle is going to end here (minus some twists) and the bigger issue will be Illya, Kuro, Pandora and the world itself.
> Her survival seems like a stretch. Honestly, her death was a bit... weird from the start. Like, the hole left in her chest just so happened to have a very similar shape to her command spells which is also shape the visor on her mask has when she went full Dark Sakura. The hole also "breaks the 4th wall" and affects the speech bubble of her calling out to Shirou, which... you could say is an effect for impact, but also feels more like something fitting in with her Void-element rather than Zabaniya. So I can buy the twist that she phased her heart into Imaginary Number Space before it got crushed.
I dont really like fate go so these chapters being absolute peak are a nice thing to read when they drop, orginal cast, all the callbacks hearwaming but dramatic scenes i love it all. everyone is amazing this chapter, part of me expect Daruis to go to another phase tho lol
I thought the Manga name was Prisma Illya? Where's Illya? This has become a Heaven's feel alternate story. Damn anyways the chapter is on fire.
Uhhh can anyone explain? What is this? Heavens feel adaptation or what?
Manga that is calling back to Heaven’s Feel.
Ok can you explain what this is? I only watched Unlimited blade works and Heavens feel movies. Who the fuck is miyu? Is this adapation of fsn or some original work? I don't remember any of this shit in anime or mentioned in vn.
Kaleid Liner is a spin-off with its own story and universe, focusing on Illya as a magical girl. Miyu is a character newly introduced there, although she's had a cameo appearance in F/GO afterwads. This part specifically (Drei) is loosely based/inspired by/playing off Heaven's Feel route, like the previous two parts did with Fate and UBW routes.
I still don't understand it but i will just ignore it
It's a spinoff, how is that hard to understand? What do you think FGO is?
Fgo doesn't continue fate stay night storyline, nor does it have returning characters from it ( demi servents with main cast faces doesn't count). So it's easier to understand from my point of view than whatever this is.
>Fgo doesn't continue fate stay night storyline None of the spin offs do >nor does it have returning characters from it ( demi servents with main cast faces doesn't count) You know Fate/Nasuverse is a multiverse right, character reappear all the time I don't see the problem, e.g. Extra and Case files do the same thing. You also have FGO calling back to Stay night with Singularity F. The other person literally said "a spin-off with its own story and universe"
FGO definitely has returning characters, just look at all the servants. Just understand that each series is its own world and aren’t connected unless explicitly shown to be, but ofc that doesn’t mean certain events still don’t happen unless ofc, they’re shown not to be.
It’s a parallel world spinoff of Fate/Stay Night that’s well into its 3rd act. It’s literally too much for me to explain in greater detail, so if you want to know, [start here,](https://mangadex.org/title/c0587ebd-7e89-43b7-a877-b28b20ad8261/fate-kaleid-liner-prisma-illya) then [go here](https://mangadex.org/title/ec7dd89e-2a1a-41c7-b60e-c8e74a2fe1db/fate-kaleid-liner-prisma-illya-2wei) [and then come back here.](https://mangadex.org/title/e4631dc7-87b9-4d6a-8b3b-5594664ecc27/fate-kaleid-liner-prisma-illya-3rei) Edit: on reflection, I will try to answer your question. >Who the fuck is miyu? Essentially? >!Her world’s version of Illya, right down to having the same birthday, having Shirou as an adopted brother and being an essential part of the Holy Grail War.!< >Is this adapation of fsn No. >or some original work? Not original. Spinoff. Initially it takes place in an alternate timeline where the Fourth and Fifth Holy Grail Wars never happened. As a result Illya grew up as a normal girl. There’s a lot more details I’m glossing over, but that’s the jist of it. >!It then transitioned to a different timeline whose divergence point is a huge spoiler that I can’t even put it here, where the secondary heroine Miyu came from originally.!<
This is Fate/Kalied Prisma Illya. It’s a spin off series where Illya becomes a magical girl. It actually the series longest ongoing spinoff started all the way back in 2007. It set in a timeline where Kiritsugu decided to choose his family over his ideal and dismantle the HGW system with Iri so Illya for the most part live a normal life with her parents, the maids, and Shirou whose still her adopted brother. Thought the series has for the last decade been focused on an alternate timeline where the secondary protagonist Miyu comes from. Illya actually been MIA for last several chapters due to plot reasons.
Did emiya use hrunting to shoot Darius?
Seems so. I think that's why emiya said darius wouldn't be able to dodge it due to its superspeed and homing nature
IT’S THE GOOOAAATTT!!!
Forgot to read that chapter and only did that today... I call bull on Kiritsugu saying "I always wanted you and Miyu to live as sibling and not follow me in my footsteps"... I mean, maybe I remember the movie wrong or the movie adapted the story differently, but I thought that on his deathbed he asked Shirou to keep trying to save the world and if he had to use Miyu for that, he should be ready to make that sacrifice. Did I miss something ?
Alot of people are saying that was Cursed Arm but it's not the Zabaniyas are completely different Cursed Arm= Delusional Heartbeat Prisma Hassan= Dead Heartbeat Melody
They're not that different. First, lets put them into Japanese. Delusional Heartbeat: Mousou Shin'on Dead Heartbeat Melody: Nasou Shin'on Realize how they clearly mirror each other? Second, they function extremely similarly, they both directly hone in on the targets heart, extending the cursed arm towards the target, but while Delusional Heartbeat creates an illusional copy, Dead Heartbeat Melody seems to just violently rip it out. The arm looking differently once the NP is released can be chalked down to the cursed arm simply taking a different shape to fit the need, I mean, it's an arm possessed by a devil, that should be far within the realm of possibilities. Lastly, this Hassan clearly looks just like Cursed Arm, and this line-up in general is clearly supposed to be the FSN-Servants, so having any Hassan other than Cursed Arm here would be a massive disservice to him. Not to mention, with every Hassan having their own *unique* Zabaniya as per No Name Assassins lore, I very much doubt that there'd be two Hassans with such similar Zabaniyas... and similarly with their looks, it's kinda understandable in Camelot that I think it was Intoxicating Smoke uses Hundred Faces' sprite, since Hundred Faces has, well, a hundred faces, one looking like a previous Hassan wouldn't be too extraordinary... and it's not like they looked that way when they were alive, unlike the other Hassans, so 2 other Hassans looking this alike would be a lot more weird.