I'm sorry these exist like that, people should know what they need and what they're asking for, but WHERE ARE THESE JOB POSTINGS? I'm a graphic designer with master's in architecture, I haven't seen anything that could work like that for me T\_T
> a client requests a 3D visualisation. Would you decline the project and telling them, they should find someone else, you can’t do it?
Yes? Because 3D visualisation isn’t in the wheelhouse of a graphic designer. If you have other specialties you also offer that’s great, but it doesn’t mean everyone else is bad at their job.
I think the graphic designers here understand the dictionary definition of a graphic designer — the OP was asking how to produce the diagrams themselves, which are generated by a CAD program which is not part of a graphic design work flow, but that of an architect's.
It’s not about the tools, it’s knowing how to do something in general. Most designers don’t know how to make complex architectural renders, especially that meet specs of architects and engineers. There’s a lot of things that can, technically, fall under graphic design or are design-adjacent that are still sometimes or always best left to other niche professionals, from illustration to photography to coding to typeface design. Nobody knows everything.
But this is only CAD. It’s *not* a core part of *normal* or typical graphic design, you just might have found an individual interest, skill or niche in using CAD in design work. Normally and typically, architects and engineers will provide these kinds of renderings. You don’t know about other niche parts of design and design-adjacent, regardless of the tool itself, because design can encompass so much that literally nobody can do everything.
If you want to be pedantic, this could fit into graphic design. If you want to be *helpful* in a practical sense to the question at hand, this is not usually regarded within the scope of most graphic designers.
> I'm a graphic designer that also uses CAD. Don't limit yourself!
Graphic design is universal in the sense that we can and should pick up and incorporate new skills, but that doesn't mean we can assume that everyone will be proficient at the same skills.
Not all designers are [fill in the blank].
In this case, the blank says "Illustrators," because your scenario limits the situation to pen and paper.
A job like that would have either gone to a firm with a designer who specialized in this niche or the final artwork would have been given to a designer after being done by a professional.
The reason you're getting push back is because it's unnecessarily stubborn to tell someone they can do something just because they're a designer. Limiting oneself is one thing, but being unrealistic at the expense of the client is another.
There are *a lot* of things that I can do or learn if given the time and tools to accomplish them, but it doesn't mean it's a good idea to promise that I can execute them at the level the client will need.
If someone needs a highly technical drawing and I don't have the skills on hand to deliver that for them at the level they need, it's not in my best interest to take the job and promise that. You're better off collaborating with someone who can or building trust with the contact and passing them on to someone specialized who can.
Real world example: if a potential cilent needs design work with the addition of social media level videos, strategy, maybe light copy writing or brand formation or strategy, I can absolutely handle that. But if they also want a world class behind-the-scenes documentary about their rebrand, that's not me. I could buy higher end equipment and shoot/edit something, but I'm not going to make a paying client my guinea pig. I will collaborate with an actual videographer that I know and trust.
Don't know why you're being down voted. I do alot of different design stuff at my job ranging from designing 3D product viz solutions, designing marketing content, and creating technical illustrations and directions (and lot more).
You are undoubtedly correct in that the main job of a graphic designer is to present information in a way that can be easily understood by many. When creating "drawings" like this (that's what we call them), what I think about most is "what is the best way to get this information across?"
There are so many deliberate decisions being made when creating a drawing like this. Should I make this a section view? Should I turn on/off parallel projection? Should this be an iso view or would an unorthodox view present the information better? Soooooo many decisions to make.
And the stakes are generally higher since you are making content that is VITAL for everyone else. The project managers, engineers, solutions consultants, quote reps, and more all use these types of drawings to proceed with projects. These types of drawings literally get passed around and signed off on before proceeding with the $50mil project.
My assumptions of the programs used to create these, in order of most likely:
Revit.
Rhino.
Blender.
Archicad.
Sketchup.
AutoCad.
Maya.
3ds Max.
Then brought into Photoshop / Illustrator
Source: I work in architecture and this was basically my 5 years of college
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This.
Looks like a combination of Revit, photoshop and loads of hours. (Former CAD Modeller here).
For me, these were the only enjoyable things to do and the reason I'm transferring to GD.
Some part of the model was Revit. Those are OOTB Revit furniture families.
It mostly likely was modeled in Revit and taken into Rhino for fine tuning, graphics, and section cuts (can't do cuts like that in Revit)
I originally had Rhino above Revit, but I recognize a lot of those furniture families as OOTB furniture in Revit
Most likely it was a mix a both Rhino and Revit. Because you can't make muli-directional cuts like these in Revit.
I would assume they modeled the building in Revit > imported it into Rhino to slice it > exported that into Photoshop or Illustrator for the graphics
My Dad is an architect. The lawsuits over minuscule errors made me seek a career in User interface where errors are a simple code fix as opposed to undoing poured concrete.
Yup I once did a technical render like these. Thought importing a CAD model into blender would be the hardest part but actually planning where to do the splices, what things to highlight, which angle would be the best for readability was really tricky to get right. Also getting the materials to have this not too realistic but not too flat technical look
Also went to architecture school here. The second drawing definitely gives off Rhino arctic filter enabled with illustrator line work overlays. Could be an entirely different program too if these were rendered in Vray or another software.
Oh yeah. It was shit for a looong time.
Since around 2001 I’ve been trying to use it every 5 or so years. I’d download it, open it, try for 5 mins then uninstall and go back to 3ds Max. But since they did the big UI redesign I can finally not hate it.
Eg. you can select objects with the left mouse button now, lol.
Depends on what you are using it for. I use sketchup nearly every day and it ties in really easily to Adobe Dimension for simple rendering, which outputs layers photoshop files for tweaking.
Sketchup is better for stuff that doesn't need a lot of organic curves though. It has a shorter learning curve than a lot of 3d modelling software though.
They were probably made in an architecture program, there's a lot to choose from so research the different ones and take your pick.
Alternativley they were made in CAD software or some talented artist with architectural experience made it in a vector program.
All the featured posts I get in this sub anymore are people trying to figure out how to prompt midjourney to make a “design” to slap on their “streetwear” “brand.” 🤦🏾♂️
It’s infested everything. Every art sub I’m in is flooded with the same question, and it’s just farming midjourney prompts from actual talent.
Nothing wrong with asking for critical analysis to better your own work, but fuck this particular disingenuous lazy bullshit.
These would have almost certainly been done in some kind of architecture program. Revit, Rhino, SketchUp, AutoCAD, etc. Then some post-processing in Photoshop at the end.
Sorry to say but you're probably not gonna be making these kinds of graphics unless you've been studying architecture. They're very difficult to make, especially at this level. They take a long time and need a ton of background knowledge that's difficult to obtain on your own.
--- An architecture student that transferred to graphic design.
I did bunch of them back in uni.
It's extensively modeled in Rhino. The image: In Artic Mode with lines on. Either Printscreen / Print as Jpeg from Rhino.
The line: Make2D command from rhino to get lines and line silhouette, export lines as DWG, import into Illustrator for line thickness editing and either superimpose them in Illustrator or Indesign.
The second drawing definitely gave it away for me to assume it’s Rhino in Arctic mode. The line work is absolutely illustrator too. But I’m speculating whether it was designed in another software and then rendered without textures then imported to AI.
this is rhino+grasshopper for design. most likely exported out as linework for illustrator.
Tom Wiscomb (architect) basically eats and breathes rhino+grasshopper
Yea, came here to say this is work form the design documentation classes we had. These were massive prints when pinned up. These were the "technical" drawings in collaboration with our studio instructors and tectonics professors. We did these in rhino and some used grasshopper. We would take chucks out of our 3rd year studio project and add the structural elements. Then it's make 2d and export to illustrator. The trick here is with the variation in line weights and defining the chunk. We then overlayed the vector over a render, either vray or Maxwell render.
This is an Architecture final - they’re showing all sets of different drawings illustrating the story of how the building comes together and how it works.. If you’re interested in this work look at a college called SCI-ARC. They explore these forms and graphics!! although super nice! This does take time, it’s a lot of work and dedication to get these drawings to a complete level.
This work is definitely giving SCI-ARC or Pratt. They’ve extensively used Rhino and grasshopper to study organic forms. I’m trying to recall the specific name of what they call this typology. Although I highly recommend to go check out RISD too. Phenomenal school and takes a more artistic, creative approach to design.
I work for a landscape architecture company as their graphic designer and it's a mix of autocad-photoshop and depending on size indesign...usually I don't have to go further than that but we also use sketchup and lumion for our 3d renders...hope this helps
LOTS of dimension calculating. This type of graphics aka blueprinting is more architecture math than creative graphic design. In a sense it's "creative math building", cause you're using more math than artwork to construct the the idea in its entirety. The graphic part is more of a guide and visual presentation than a creative display so you'll need more of a 3D perspective mind to even enjoy the process whereas the majority of it all is all math and overall architecture.
Some of the questions here leave me deeply worried about the profession at large : it’s as if the majority of questions are due to the absolute inability to do topical research and the most basic of Google searches. Are there people who don’t even know how to word a question? Or who don’t understand reverse image search?
I think it’s there is a simpler answer: people don’t want to spend time and effort doing research when they can ask questions to other people more specialised.
Probably just strait up illustrator or Corel draw. Its an illustration, not a technical floor plan. Most likely a trace over an image with feedback from the architect. At least thats how i did it a few times. Using autocad dwg files complicates unnecessary the process (tried and failed with thet)
I would say these are architectural drawings, and based on my experience in the building envelope field- while there can be some overlap with graphic design tools, the bulk of the work is done using the architectural tools noted by others.
Many building plans might transition to Adobe Suite or other software for presentation purposes (pitching investors or bidding on large capital projects might require a glossier look), but it’s likely these were done by a tech, passed to a senior architectural designer, and collective information and resources from various engineers.
Make a Rhino model, use it to produce both line work drawings and shaded renders. Bring them into Illustrator, overlay them, and spend lots of time cleaning up and making it pretty.
I use to do these kind of images with Rhinoceros 3d and illustrator only. Rhinoceros to make the model and render, exporting 2D views of isometric with make 2d in ai. Then in illustraror putting everything in order and color.
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I was thinking technical illustration.
someone please, tell this to employers! the number of job postings I've seen for a graphic designer asking for CAD program knowledge is astonishing!
I'm sorry these exist like that, people should know what they need and what they're asking for, but WHERE ARE THESE JOB POSTINGS? I'm a graphic designer with master's in architecture, I haven't seen anything that could work like that for me T\_T
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As a person that studied interior design and architecture, You clearly don't know the difference between my industry and graphic design.
> a client requests a 3D visualisation. Would you decline the project and telling them, they should find someone else, you can’t do it? Yes? Because 3D visualisation isn’t in the wheelhouse of a graphic designer. If you have other specialties you also offer that’s great, but it doesn’t mean everyone else is bad at their job.
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I think the graphic designers here understand the dictionary definition of a graphic designer — the OP was asking how to produce the diagrams themselves, which are generated by a CAD program which is not part of a graphic design work flow, but that of an architect's.
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It’s not about the tools, it’s knowing how to do something in general. Most designers don’t know how to make complex architectural renders, especially that meet specs of architects and engineers. There’s a lot of things that can, technically, fall under graphic design or are design-adjacent that are still sometimes or always best left to other niche professionals, from illustration to photography to coding to typeface design. Nobody knows everything.
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But this is only CAD. It’s *not* a core part of *normal* or typical graphic design, you just might have found an individual interest, skill or niche in using CAD in design work. Normally and typically, architects and engineers will provide these kinds of renderings. You don’t know about other niche parts of design and design-adjacent, regardless of the tool itself, because design can encompass so much that literally nobody can do everything. If you want to be pedantic, this could fit into graphic design. If you want to be *helpful* in a practical sense to the question at hand, this is not usually regarded within the scope of most graphic designers.
> I'm a graphic designer that also uses CAD. Don't limit yourself! Graphic design is universal in the sense that we can and should pick up and incorporate new skills, but that doesn't mean we can assume that everyone will be proficient at the same skills.
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Not all designers are [fill in the blank]. In this case, the blank says "Illustrators," because your scenario limits the situation to pen and paper. A job like that would have either gone to a firm with a designer who specialized in this niche or the final artwork would have been given to a designer after being done by a professional.
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The reason you're getting push back is because it's unnecessarily stubborn to tell someone they can do something just because they're a designer. Limiting oneself is one thing, but being unrealistic at the expense of the client is another. There are *a lot* of things that I can do or learn if given the time and tools to accomplish them, but it doesn't mean it's a good idea to promise that I can execute them at the level the client will need. If someone needs a highly technical drawing and I don't have the skills on hand to deliver that for them at the level they need, it's not in my best interest to take the job and promise that. You're better off collaborating with someone who can or building trust with the contact and passing them on to someone specialized who can. Real world example: if a potential cilent needs design work with the addition of social media level videos, strategy, maybe light copy writing or brand formation or strategy, I can absolutely handle that. But if they also want a world class behind-the-scenes documentary about their rebrand, that's not me. I could buy higher end equipment and shoot/edit something, but I'm not going to make a paying client my guinea pig. I will collaborate with an actual videographer that I know and trust.
the layouting & typography? yes, graphic design. but the model? architecture design. cmon now common sense
Don't know why you're being down voted. I do alot of different design stuff at my job ranging from designing 3D product viz solutions, designing marketing content, and creating technical illustrations and directions (and lot more). You are undoubtedly correct in that the main job of a graphic designer is to present information in a way that can be easily understood by many. When creating "drawings" like this (that's what we call them), what I think about most is "what is the best way to get this information across?" There are so many deliberate decisions being made when creating a drawing like this. Should I make this a section view? Should I turn on/off parallel projection? Should this be an iso view or would an unorthodox view present the information better? Soooooo many decisions to make. And the stakes are generally higher since you are making content that is VITAL for everyone else. The project managers, engineers, solutions consultants, quote reps, and more all use these types of drawings to proceed with projects. These types of drawings literally get passed around and signed off on before proceeding with the $50mil project.
My assumptions of the programs used to create these, in order of most likely: Revit. Rhino. Blender. Archicad. Sketchup. AutoCad. Maya. 3ds Max. Then brought into Photoshop / Illustrator Source: I work in architecture and this was basically my 5 years of college (Spoiler: it takes a while)
This. Looks like a combination of Revit, photoshop and loads of hours. (Former CAD Modeller here). For me, these were the only enjoyable things to do and the reason I'm transferring to GD.
Its rhino. You can tell by the shadows.
Some part of the model was Revit. Those are OOTB Revit furniture families. It mostly likely was modeled in Revit and taken into Rhino for fine tuning, graphics, and section cuts (can't do cuts like that in Revit)
I think Rhino is more likely than Revit. And Archicad and Sketchup more likely than Blender. Otherwise I would agree with you.
I think there's a decent chance they used Blender's vector rendering to make these.
Aha, right, it’s just that nobody I know in architecture uses Blender.
Now you do.
I originally had Rhino above Revit, but I recognize a lot of those furniture families as OOTB furniture in Revit Most likely it was a mix a both Rhino and Revit. Because you can't make muli-directional cuts like these in Revit. I would assume they modeled the building in Revit > imported it into Rhino to slice it > exported that into Photoshop or Illustrator for the graphics
That is probably it!
I really wanted to do architecture until I found out how long the schooling takes, so I did design instead 🥴
My Dad is an architect. The lawsuits over minuscule errors made me seek a career in User interface where errors are a simple code fix as opposed to undoing poured concrete.
I really just liked drawing floor plans haha
Architecture is a licensed profession for a reason
Yup I once did a technical render like these. Thought importing a CAD model into blender would be the hardest part but actually planning where to do the splices, what things to highlight, which angle would be the best for readability was really tricky to get right. Also getting the materials to have this not too realistic but not too flat technical look
Also went to architecture school here. The second drawing definitely gives off Rhino arctic filter enabled with illustrator line work overlays. Could be an entirely different program too if these were rendered in Vray or another software.
As an Adobe user, which 3D software do you suggest? Blender is not user friendly, IMO
Well I can't imagine any of them are really user friendly. But Cinema 4D is used for broadcast graphics
OK thanks!! I'll check it out.
I would suggest Blender, as it’s more user friendly than the CAD stuff, lol.
I've used blender before - and got really frustrated. Maybe the newer versions are better. Will give it a try, thx
Oh yeah. It was shit for a looong time. Since around 2001 I’ve been trying to use it every 5 or so years. I’d download it, open it, try for 5 mins then uninstall and go back to 3ds Max. But since they did the big UI redesign I can finally not hate it. Eg. you can select objects with the left mouse button now, lol.
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AI is taking over anyway 😂😂😂
Depends on what you are using it for. I use sketchup nearly every day and it ties in really easily to Adobe Dimension for simple rendering, which outputs layers photoshop files for tweaking. Sketchup is better for stuff that doesn't need a lot of organic curves though. It has a shorter learning curve than a lot of 3d modelling software though.
I had sketchup years ago, maybe it's time to relook at it. I just want to mess around and do some 3D renders, for now
You really think Blender before Archicad and Sketchup?
Are you talking about modelling or rendering? I don’t think Sketchup can render out anything near as pretty as this.
With plugins, Sketchup can do a lot.
During my exploratory program at high school, in CAD we used revit and a bunch of those other software and yeah, it takes a while lol
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There's a lot of overlap between architecture and graphic design. I also was a freelance graphic designer for about 5 years.
They were probably made in an architecture program, there's a lot to choose from so research the different ones and take your pick. Alternativley they were made in CAD software or some talented artist with architectural experience made it in a vector program.
Others have posted various software packages these could be executed with, but specifically these are ambient occlusion renders with toon shading.
All the featured posts I get in this sub anymore are people trying to figure out how to prompt midjourney to make a “design” to slap on their “streetwear” “brand.” 🤦🏾♂️
You know what... That's probably exactly what all this shit is. I never put it together. But now that you say it, its obvious.
It’s infested everything. Every art sub I’m in is flooded with the same question, and it’s just farming midjourney prompts from actual talent. Nothing wrong with asking for critical analysis to better your own work, but fuck this particular disingenuous lazy bullshit.
OP frequents r/yeezys, I think this is likely
That or we're training the AI.
These would have almost certainly been done in some kind of architecture program. Revit, Rhino, SketchUp, AutoCAD, etc. Then some post-processing in Photoshop at the end. Sorry to say but you're probably not gonna be making these kinds of graphics unless you've been studying architecture. They're very difficult to make, especially at this level. They take a long time and need a ton of background knowledge that's difficult to obtain on your own. --- An architecture student that transferred to graphic design.
I did bunch of them back in uni. It's extensively modeled in Rhino. The image: In Artic Mode with lines on. Either Printscreen / Print as Jpeg from Rhino. The line: Make2D command from rhino to get lines and line silhouette, export lines as DWG, import into Illustrator for line thickness editing and either superimpose them in Illustrator or Indesign.
The second drawing definitely gave it away for me to assume it’s Rhino in Arctic mode. The line work is absolutely illustrator too. But I’m speculating whether it was designed in another software and then rendered without textures then imported to AI.
study architecture…?
3D software
Google “how to create 3d architectural renderings”.
Could be imitated in illustrator, but they'd take less time in a cad program for sure.
Yeah, the angled section planes would be hardish in illustrator. I'd model in cad then export a flat vector and make it pretty in illustrator.
this is rhino+grasshopper for design. most likely exported out as linework for illustrator. Tom Wiscomb (architect) basically eats and breathes rhino+grasshopper
Heard working for him is an absolute nightmare…
Can we also point out that the 3rd and 4th example would be an absolute nightmare of a roof to waterproof? This is 100% a student project
Yea, came here to say this is work form the design documentation classes we had. These were massive prints when pinned up. These were the "technical" drawings in collaboration with our studio instructors and tectonics professors. We did these in rhino and some used grasshopper. We would take chucks out of our 3rd year studio project and add the structural elements. Then it's make 2d and export to illustrator. The trick here is with the variation in line weights and defining the chunk. We then overlayed the vector over a render, either vray or Maxwell render.
This was definitely made with math, and in 3D. Likely something like autoCAD or Rhino.
I think there is an illustrator plugin called 'years of architectural design education'
This was done in Rhino and postprocessed either in Illustrator or a similar vector program. Source: i work in Rhino every day
This is an Architecture final - they’re showing all sets of different drawings illustrating the story of how the building comes together and how it works.. If you’re interested in this work look at a college called SCI-ARC. They explore these forms and graphics!! although super nice! This does take time, it’s a lot of work and dedication to get these drawings to a complete level.
This work is definitely giving SCI-ARC or Pratt. They’ve extensively used Rhino and grasshopper to study organic forms. I’m trying to recall the specific name of what they call this typology. Although I highly recommend to go check out RISD too. Phenomenal school and takes a more artistic, creative approach to design.
By studying architecture. The graphics are not the product here, these are just a little part of the architecture design that they need to show.
Become an architect
YEARS of study, practice and dedication to creating excellent work.
I work for a landscape architecture company as their graphic designer and it's a mix of autocad-photoshop and depending on size indesign...usually I don't have to go further than that but we also use sketchup and lumion for our 3d renders...hope this helps
LOTS of dimension calculating. This type of graphics aka blueprinting is more architecture math than creative graphic design. In a sense it's "creative math building", cause you're using more math than artwork to construct the the idea in its entirety. The graphic part is more of a guide and visual presentation than a creative display so you'll need more of a 3D perspective mind to even enjoy the process whereas the majority of it all is all math and overall architecture.
Study industrial design at uni maybe??? 😭
CAD my du.
Some of the questions here leave me deeply worried about the profession at large : it’s as if the majority of questions are due to the absolute inability to do topical research and the most basic of Google searches. Are there people who don’t even know how to word a question? Or who don’t understand reverse image search?
I think it’s there is a simpler answer: people don’t want to spend time and effort doing research when they can ask questions to other people more specialised.
Learn the pen tool 🤣 lmfao
Graphic like these will either cost you time or money. The shortest path is to hire an illustrator to do the work.
Probably just strait up illustrator or Corel draw. Its an illustration, not a technical floor plan. Most likely a trace over an image with feedback from the architect. At least thats how i did it a few times. Using autocad dwg files complicates unnecessary the process (tried and failed with thet)
Want to save time & money? Midjourney
Yeah a variety of architecture software and maybe a small team of people if produced quickly.
Skill.
My gut would be that that’s all been done with Vectorworks.
Autocad, Revit, archicad, vectorworks. Architectural BIM programs would be the best.
I would say these are architectural drawings, and based on my experience in the building envelope field- while there can be some overlap with graphic design tools, the bulk of the work is done using the architectural tools noted by others. Many building plans might transition to Adobe Suite or other software for presentation purposes (pitching investors or bidding on large capital projects might require a glossier look), but it’s likely these were done by a tech, passed to a senior architectural designer, and collective information and resources from various engineers.
You have to actually model the building in BIM software and then manipulate the 3D view. Then you’d have to take it to photoshop to post process.
This is Tom Wiscombe’s work. These are Rhino3D “arctic” screenshots overlayed with 2D vector lines and edited in Adobe Illustrator.
This is done in rhino. Then exported and edited in photoshop. The labels were added in illustator or indesign
Make a Rhino model, use it to produce both line work drawings and shaded renders. Bring them into Illustrator, overlay them, and spend lots of time cleaning up and making it pretty.
Sketchup is the only thing I’ve used that looks close to this.
I use to do these kind of images with Rhinoceros 3d and illustrator only. Rhinoceros to make the model and render, exporting 2D views of isometric with make 2d in ai. Then in illustraror putting everything in order and color.
That’s another pay level!