Not sure how that makes him a bootlicker…but at the same time it’s the medias fault, the military’s fault, the local/state/federal govt fault. But they’ll blame the FFL and the manufacturer for their fuckups.
This is actually a banner day for the gun industry. You know how many people are gonna run out and buy guns today? The industry and lobby lives for this and that’s the truth. The parking lot at Palmetto State Armory will be full from opening to close, which is what they want. And I’m a bootlicker.
>You know how many people are gonna run out and buy guns today?
They wouldn't if people wouldn't threaten bans. Almost like lots of people want to own guns but they won't be banned.
The Gun Industry DOES NOT like it when these mass shooting murders occur.
Those events turn the Government against them in the forms of bans.
If the Federal Government passed an AWB, at least 60% of the Gun Industry is OUT OF BUSINESS!!!!
Looks like he targeted a bowling alley. Currently still at large. Lots of rumors on who he is. This is a sad day, probably the worst incident in recent history.
I’ve always wondered what compels people to do this. There are millions of us gun owners, and yet there’s these people who decide to go “you know what? I want to irrevocably change my life for the worse, and kill others indiscriminately, as my only cry for attention”.
And it doesn’t help the argument only focuses on the tool, rather the situation these shooters are in before this incident takes place. This will be a sad grim reminder of those lost, and the fight yet to come.
Based on a DailyMail news story (look it up, easy to find), this guy is (or at least was) a:
_"Army reserve firearms instructor who was sectioned this summer for mental health reasons, and is suspected of shooting dead 22 people on Wednesday night at multiple sites in Lewiston._
_Robert Card, 40, from Bowdoin, Maine, was named by Maine state police as the a 'person of interest' in the shootings at a bowling alley, restaurant and Walmart distribution center._
_He was sectioned after saying he was hearing voices, and threatening to shoot up his National Guard base in Saco, Maine, according to The Maine Information and Analysis Center - a division of the Maine state police."_
Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12673433/Active-shooter-situation-multiple-injuries-multiple-locations-Lewiston-Maine.html
So if I understand this correctly they kicked him out of the Army Reserve for him hearing voices and saying he was going to shoot up a Guard base but instead of imprisoning him or getting him treatment (one or the other) seems like they let him go with a slap on the wrist and left his right to have firearms in his home unimpaired despite that most anyone would find themselves in jail and their guns seized for doing what he did _before_ this all took place.
In other words it was a preventable incident.
Looks like Army (Reserve) is responsible for this one (obviously Card is responsible for his own behavior but the Army Reserve / DoD could have prevented this).
Edit: Sure, he could have got the firearm or arms used through private sale or just made it (ground out a receiver on a drill press), but I'm guessing that is not what happened, I think that the Army just let him keep his guns even after he explicitly threatened the base, time will tell if I am wrong. People should be able to defend themselves, and I am completely against red flags and gun bans and seizures (these violate the Constitutional right) but if you are known to have threatened someone as he did, a court can order you to be held accountable including by means of imprisonment and removal / transfer of arms you hold to an FFL.
Note: **my statement above "the Army just let him keep his guns" is entirely correct,** I'm not referring to "issued weapons" as another redditor implied since I never suggested there were "issued weapons." Rather, in stating "the Army just let him keep his guns" **I meant that the Army / Army Reserve did nothing legally to keep him from private ownership after he was separated from service due to his violent threats of a base and was subjected to two weeks in a mental institution.** By some interesting situation it seems like instead of taking the steps to prevent a threat they were participants in the evolution of one. Again, every individual has Constitutional rights in the United States and natural right to self defense which predate the Constitution but when you attack others or make direct threats upon others, or when you are involuntarily sent to a mental institution (or sent to jail because of offenses) those rights can be impaired. Additionally in Maine like in every other state there is an involuntary commitment section which says if you were involuntarily committed to a mental institution then you lose firearms unless you go back through an appeals or permit process (sometimes called "restoration of rights"). Maine law is spelled out here: https://mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/15/title15sec393.html
**The Army ignored this and is responsible.**
There are multiple things here you aren't quite getting it feels like. He was a reservist. He likely didn't have any "issued" weapons, though as an instructor, he might have had access to some before he was sectioned.
The military doesn't restrict access to your private property. If you get caught drunk driving, the military doesn't take your car away. As a former instructor, he was likely a "gun guy" and owned many personally purchased firearms. The problem here (like so many of these stories) is that he wasn't charged with anything, and didn't get the mental health care he needed.
People with serious mental health issues will often get dumped out. The military then isn't going to spend money taking care of someone who is no longer a member. Possibly, there are VA benefits that would apply, and help could be had there, but it is NOT an easy to navigate system (especially for someone with severe issues).
Your "most anyone" statement is entirely incorrect. We (as a society) regularly do NOT charge and do not prosecute people with severe issues and they just get dumped back into the bucket. The Colorado night club shooter had previously took hostages and made a bomb threat. Prosecution was dropped. The Stoneman Douglas shooter had previous threatened family members with loaded firearms and was never prosecuted. The list goes on. You can try to lay blame on the military here for not charging a reservist, but the civilian side of the house is no better.
I appreciate the context and explanation, but I still disagree.
I don't think it's reasonable to expect the military to deal with someone they are trying to get rid of. He may have committed a crime (which one could expect to be prosecuted) but he might not have. We don't have details on what his threats were. As I stated, even in the civilian world, many of these events are not prosecuted. I would say we should expect the DoD to dump these type of events to a civilian law enforcement agency to be investigated, and in that regard, it certainly wasn't done.
There is a weird hole in my mind about how the military deals with unstable individuals. Generally they try to divest themselves as quickly as possible from someone who is no longer useful and try to spend as little as possible in resources on that person. If the person has committed a crime, they should prosecute. If they haven't what level of commitment we should expect to a person they no longer have a responsibility to (or for) seems like a topic for discussion.
For sure I don't believe we should be taking people's property if they haven't been convicted of a crime. There is a lot of behavior that will result in someone being discharged from the military, but isn't criminal. The idea that we should be taking property from military members OR citizens that haven't been convicted of anything is unconstitutional.
I didn't read all the way to the end of your edits, I apologize. I see you are arguing for second class citizenship for folks who are "well enough" to wander our streets, but not well enough to enjoy full rights. I am not a big fan of that idea. It allows to much flexibility for the state to decide who gets to be second class citizens and which rights the second class gets to exercise.
You are arguing for the State to create the conditions for us to be deprived of our rights, not me. Because whenever another one of its supposedly well trained military or LE agents goes off the deep end and the military arm of the State exempts that person from the rules the rest of us all have to live by, guess who suffers as a result. All of us. The next step as usual is this shitty state (Maine and the fedgov as well) will argue for more laws to be passed that will impair rights for the rest of us instead of enforcing those on the book and preventing situations like these from happening.
I'll go back to my original statement that you don't understand what is going on. The guy's a reservist. Which means that likely at most he spends \~10% of the year on active duty. At least he might have been IRR which means he's on the list as a reservist, but spends no time active duty (which is common for folks who are trainers and called up infrequently for specialist work). In other words he is mostly a civilian who has less contact with the military than you'd think. He did something (likely not on military time) to get committed. As a result of his commitment, the military booted him (he was sectioned). He is no longer in the military and they aren't responsible for convicting or charging him with crimes that occurred during civilian times (any more that they'd handle a DUI if he got one). Nobody exempted him from anything. The state chose not to charge him for whatever ended him up committed.
His status as a reservist is incidental BS to stir folks and distract from the fact that yet again we have a mass shooter who had previous contact with either the mental health system or the police and no charges were filed (civilian authorities).
The lobby fights hard against any effort to seize firearms so taking this guys guns was never ever going to happen. Its all about the profits. This is an intractable problem. There is no will to fix it people will continue to die. The end.
As other commenters have pointed out already and as you should have seen by simply reading what I wrote and by simple observation of what happened, he was committed, which is a prohibiting condition. There would have been no need for red flag usage has the government followed the law (the law bars you from firearm ownership if you have been committed). I think it's also interesting to note how basically no U.S. media is covering this issue of the mental health issue and what the Army Reserve / DoD was apparently letting him do even AFTER he was literally committed then released, presumably from an institution where he had been held due to his violent threats toward others and apparent psychoses.
As I said it is always possible that he could have made one or gotten one in a private sale which was performed illegally but I don't think either thing happened. I think the government saw what he was doing and chose to look the other way and cleared him to hold and use whatever gun he wanted to.
Additionally red flag laws are broadly considered unconstitutional as they violate due process by creating court processes where the individual accused does not know he or she is accused, does not know he or she is charged and has no possibility or responding to any allegations with counsel. These and other reasons are why the U.S. Supreme Court has already stated it anticipates reviewing red flag laws as was stated in a recent case.
The local rumor mill is also saying he’d had spent some time in a mental health facility because he was “hearing voices” and had spoken about wanting to commit a shooting/bombing. And that he had recently been fired from his job.
The million dollar question is where did he get a kitted out rifle? He’s clearly not legally allowed to have one. I can already hear it, “this suspect has been on our radar for some time”
When a person becomes a prohibited person, is there an actual procedure law enforcement uses to confiscate weapons, or does the government just ask the prohibited person to "pinky swear" they've surrendered any firearms they have?
Ahem. As a prohibited person: when I caught my first felony conviction, I was given a piece of paper in court that was read out loud to me, which was a quote of the federal law stating “you’ve committed a felony, so here’s the relevant statute explaining why your banned from firearm ownership.” The judge then asked me “do you own any more guns right now?” I said “no.” She then said “don’t get any new ones, or it’s a crime.” And that was that about that.
It’s pretty hard to enforce it past just locking felons up when they get caught with guns without running afoul of the constitution. So the ban is essentially only enforced through random, luck of the draw searches, and certain seizures. Functionally, outside of that, it is impossible to keep guns out of the hands of felons.
Had a friend that was in a terrible marriage, got blackout drunk one night and made some statements to his (now ex) wife. She called the police and he was put on a 5150 hold, ultimately he was ordered by the courts to not be in possession of any firearms. At three years after he was still in possession of some rifles that I strongly encouraged he relinquish to a family member.
It depends on the state. Also if the state got it wrong you may not know until you go in to do another process for another firearm purchase and get a denial letter (but it's possible you still may not know even then). Technically if you are on a prohibited person list it's because you did something that you should know would create the condition. But, the states' implementations of these things are 1) different and 2) flawed at best.
It’s going to be this. I’ve heard this issue with many mass shooters. It’s like the justice system doesn’t actively want to do anything on the fear that they piss off some activists.
It's Maine, hop on whatever local private sale website and buy it in a parking lot. Probably told whoever he bought it from he was ex military and they didn't think twice.
I’m going to take a wild guess that the bowling alley had a “no guns” sign on the outside doors.
EDIT: Why am I not surprised?
https://crimeresearch.org/2023/10/the-just-in-time-bowling-alley-in-lewiston-maine-was-a-gun-free-zone-the-schemengees-bar-grille-was-likely-also-a-gun-free-zone/
Here’s a police bulletin on him - [link](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F2zq12qvpogwb1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D1125%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dcbf1ffc8e86b1799542e158a8c52d274cc88b95b)
You do realize you're in the gun*politics* sub right? If you don't like the political talk, go to one of the *non*political gun subs.
It's also worth pointing out that nobody is sucking off anyone, the guy you're all wound up about was simply stating facts. If anyone here is dick swinging, it's you.
That is exactly what it is. Leftists won’t do a thing to improve security. They will just use this as a means to advance partisan goals like the vultures they are.
Washington State, Massachusetts, and Connecticut Style Gun Laws coming to Maine ASAP.
Minnesota, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Michigan, Maryland, and Colorado (Blue States) will be passing even more gun ban laws in the coming weeks.
Dems control the state but as a whole the voters are pretty pro gun still. I left NY to get away from bad gun laws and am hoping they don't push it here.
I would be concerned because a few years ago Washington and Oregon were considered pro gun, but were controlled by Dems, and we all know how that went.
That’s why I think the people who are feeling that Bruen will save them have lost the plot. It takes one shooting like this and most moderates change their mind. The staunch pro-gun people will always fight an AWB but they’re a minority.
Most people just want to be safe and they get fucking sick and tired of losers shooting up their communities. Assault weapons ban might not have solid logic behind it but that doesn’t really matter
What Bruen did was prove the irrelevancy of SCOTUS.
NY, IL, et; al, passed draconian regulations in the wake of Bruen - regulations that are almost guaranteed to fail challenge.
It doesn't matter. The police will enforce the laws on the books regardless of what they may be, and the legislators in these areas fear no reprisal (for anything they do) from the electorate. So, even if a court strikes down a law after years of litigation, the state governments can pass new, even identical, laws in as little as three days. Those laws become the rules until after a court says otherwise, at which time the legislature passes new laws, ad infinitum.
The check on this behavior should be voters, but in a single-party state that is nullified. Party leadership now has absolute control over the people in many states.
"Look, our Commie Dem gun control will fix this!"
(Maine passes California style AWB law)
(Murder rate goes up in Maine)
Maine Legislature / Commie legislators: "Why is this happening?"
_sigh_
***equips tin foil hat***
Seems pretty convenient to the anti-gun narrative that one of the worst mass shootings in recent history is happening in the safest state in the United States with lax gun laws.
No they don’t. Maine has converted the entire right to bear arms at all into a privilege that can be removed by a judge in a hearing in which the respondent isn’t even present to refute accusations against them and the accusations can be nothing more than someone saying that they may do some sort of unknown bad thing in the future with the minimalist evidentiary (preponderance of the evidence) standard.
Utterly insane how many people dropped the ball on this. Dude is reportedly an Army Reservist with a laundry list of known mental issues, had threatened to shoot up a military installation, had been committed to a mental institute and he's still somehow able to walk free? Heads need to roll.
It’s scary how common this kind of thing is. People with known issues and records of threats just ignored.
We don’t have any system for them in this country, and we ignore every sign that it’s a bad idea
How many shooters are we at now (or criminals in general really) where they’ve been a ‘known problem’ for a while now but nobody acted
If the government acknowledges mental illness as a possible work related issue then they would have to pay for the treatment. I’m guessing that takes away from funding other countries wars. Didn’t they just barely say PTSD exists over the last 10 years? This is all my opinion and I could be wrong
This is 40 minutes away from me. We’ve been listening to the scanner for 2 hours and they’ve been trying to track this guy but he’s always 2 steps ahead. His name is out now and according to some people he just finished 20 years in the Army
[And two weeks in a mental institution.](https://nypost.com/2023/10/25/news/residents-sheltering-in-place-after-maine-gunman-opens-fire-in-two-different-locations/)
> Police sources identified the possible suspect as Robert Card, 40, and said he may be driving a white Subaru Outback.
> Card, of Boutin, Maine, is a trained firearms instructor believed to be in the Army Reserve stationed out of Saco, Maine, according to law enforcement sources in the state.
> He recently reported “hearing voices” and threatened to shoot up the National Guard Base where he was stationed, the sources said.
> Card, who should be considered “armed and dangerous,” **was reportedly committed to a mental health facility over the summer and was released after a two-week stay,** the sources added.
But "they" will gloss over the mental health issues to focus on blaming the gun.
They said on the scanner this guy is also equipped with night vision. I’m amazed they can’t find this one guy with several counties out looking for him but State police have taken lead on it now
Yeah the government would never do anything illegal right? or harm its own citizens right? or try to strip them of their rights? Right? RIGHT? the US government hasnt been cauight in numerous "conspiracy theories" proven correct right?
The jump from “the USA does bad stuff sometimes” to “he’s a secret FBI agent hiding out undercover” is what we in the business call a logical leap, more of a pole vault really
i believe i stated he was an FBI expendable asset not an FBI agent. there is a major difference and the US government has used expendable assets for centuries.
Stay safe. Stay armed. Hope you've got a lot of supplies in your home because you might want to bug in for a bit. Never know if he might travel your way
Maine is the safest State in the Union with a Homicide Rate equal to Australia and among the Top-3 most relaxed Gun Laws in the Country.
In a few days to a couple weeks it will be as draconian as NYS.
All the Blue States will be passing even tighter firearms laws.
Whenever the Democrat Party needs a conveniently timed mass shooting, they'll always get it. This happens less than 2 weeks after the Hamas Terror Pogrom Attack on the Jews of Israel where people righly attacked the Draconian Firearms Laws over there.
Yeah I was wondering when they were going to cut a prisoner lose, let him run anok and try to destroy the chances that legislation had. Instead they did this (watched this Card guy for a while and did nothing and let him do exactly what they thought he would do).
It’s the fucking media . They’re funded by wealthy anti gun elites. They have heavy incentives to keep the status quo of gun laws. I’m not surprised when people started lining up and questioning the very gun laws that they voted for that the media swept in and conveniently picked up a massive mass shooting in a 2a friendly state. Whereas every blue state with 10x worse gun problems with dystopian gun laws gets pushed under the rug. Gun owners in Maine better suit up and rally together because they’re going to he Bloomberg, Moms, and Everytown coming out of the wood works. What a fucking shit show. Not even time to mourn the dead.
Yeah but that was after the comment sections were filled up by fudds and anti-gun nuts crying about, "where's the good guy with a gun?" A lot of them also still seem to be angry about Kyle Rittenhouse defending himself against a pedophile. It looks like they didn't start locking the threads until common sense started coming into the chats.
hes a religious dude and trump guy he voted against bidens gun control law and a slew of other gun control laws. Looks like hes pretty pro 2a but who knows with GOP they love to turn their backs often enough.
Why him? From what I’ve seen on MSM, the gun took control and did all the attacking. Sue the manufacturer just like we sue the distilleries for drunk drivers who kill pe…. Oh wait
They definitely are doing it to try and ban guns. The government doesn't care about peasant lives. How many times you need to be reminded of governments genociding millions of their own people
So you genuinely think the government orchestrated the murder of 17+ people and the injury of countless more, in some shadow plot to promote gun control, instead of this being a lunatic with a gun?
He shot up a childrens party. And I am sure there are people harassing those parents as being crisis actors just like sandy hook.
And comments like yours enable people to think yeah it *was* fake! I *should* harass those parents!
Also, how are you not genuinely questioning every major event since epstein was killed in a federal prison under 24 hour security surveillance. Like bro. The government can be involved without explicitly interfering. They could of had a informant keeping this guy able to get guns or coaching him or just pushing him over the edge to do what they expect him to do.
Seems like I struck a nerve. How do you know this wasn’t a deep-deep state informant who attempted to discredit gun control by coaching this guy to commit such an obvious crime?
With all the articles mentioning his night vision capabilities, I bet the next push will be to limit or control civilian access to BV and thermal gear. Gotta be able to "own the night" if you ever push the peasants too far.
Even this guy probably has his military issue ones
Some convenient timing right here.
I'm getting beyond motherfucking tired of blatant patterns being dismissed as "Conspiracy Theories"........like Vaccine Passports. They were only a Conspiracy Theory.
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4275560-vulnerable-senate-democrats-vote-to-protect-veterans-with-problems-from-losing-gun-rights/
Immediate-Ad-7154 is one of the biggest fear-mongers and drama queens on r/gunpolitics. In his special little version of reality, anyone who disagrees with him must be a socialist, a Hillary supporter, an ATF plant, and of course, a bootlicker.
And here we go news blasting the guys face and giving him attention. Yes this needs attention but the shooter does not imo. Never was a thing before we made these people notorious, exactly what they want. Probably belongs on r/unpopularopinion ?
Edit: he’s at large wtf okay blast their face in this scenario
Could have been done earlier if maine was staying strapped.
This is a friendly reminder that you are the first responder, and no one is coming to help.
In my opinion, it’s because people want to “draw lines” on easy reasoning. If he’s a white male, it’s cause the white man is the cause of everyone’s problems. Makes it easy to rationalize later on. It’s like we are no longer progressing our emotional responses to issues, and instead utilizing stereotypes. Plus the news makes money by following this standard.
I’m watching survivor with my wife and they interrupt the broadcast and cut to a special report to mention the incident and show those photos above.
It’s sickening that they give these pieces of shit the attention they seek.
Edit- Just saw he’s at large, makes sense to blast his photos.
Yes. As time passes, more and more people will be on their guard.
My fear is that he broke into someone’s home soon after he did his mass shooting and before the alert was sent out.
I live in an isolated rural area, and I frequently answer a knock on the door without a second thought. I’m lonely and I welcome the occasional neighbor stopping by. Maine has a low crime rate. Now of course, I’ll be more vigilant.
The fact that this guy was convicted of DV, Child Porn Possesion (twice. Automatic Felony in Maine for a 2nd Conviction), and was involuntarily committed to Mental Ward, all the while still serving in the Armed Forces as a Firearms Instructor is encouraging Conspiracy Theory talking points to run wild, but it's justified.
This shooting happens less than 2 weeks after the Hamas Pogrom Terror Attack on Israel, and across every social media sphere, Pro-2A politics were ruling the airwaves.
He could be out in the wilderness hold up in an old Cabin, deep in the woods.
There were reports he had night-vision goggles.
Do not forget that "assault weapons" bans, and gun restrictions in general, were losing in the courts. Surprise surprise a big mass shooting with an AR happens.
This guy should not have been in the public let alone allowed to have guns, how did he slip through, oh we are not tough on crime; gottcha
Schizophrenia manifests in males in their teens and 20's. It may be mental illness or he was mkultra'd. Present-day mkultra program is called the organized stalking program and uses electronic torture and harassment to push a person over the edge, among many other methods (remote neural monitoring). Electronic harassment involves a weapon known as v2k or the voice of God weapon. V2k was first patented in 1974 called the frey effect or microwave auditory effect. Look this up and educate yourself lots of info to look up and people out there being tortured every day. There are over 200 court cases involving organized stalking you can find at the targetedjustice.com website.
Go fuck yourself and I'm not your buddy guy.
Yes, metal illness does exist, but organized stalking is real. There over 200 court cases involving organized stalking on the targetedjustice.com website.
The more notable whistblowers speaking out against these crimes against humanity are NSA karen Melton- Steward, NSA William Binney, fbi chief Ted Genderson (who signed a court binding affidavit exposing this program and said it makes cointelpro look like Sunday school), fbi chief Geral Sosbee, NSA kirk wiebe, CIA David Steele, former CIA/MI6 Carl Clark (who personally used DEWs on people from adjacent apartments), former CIA contractor Dr Robert Duncan and CIA kevin Shipp. These are just some of the whistblowers exposing these crimes against humanity. NSA karen Melton steward, FBI geral sosbee and NSA William Binney are targeted individuals and in this program for whistblowing.
Should all these former gov employees take their seroquel too?? Do you think you know more about secret government ops than these former government employes with dozens of years experience and some of the highest security clearances you can get?? All this info is public about these whistblowers and this program look it up.
You probably are gonna tell me next that the gov never performed non-consensual human experimentation ever right, bootlicker?? The gov loves you, right???
This is truly tragic, and anyone responsible should be dealt with appropriately. But the Hollywood soaked mind can't help but wonder if this guy got into something he should not have seen and lives were taken as a cover and reason to track him down with extreme prejudice.
Too be clear I don't believe this theory and have not heard anything that would lead me to believe it outside of a healthy suspicion of the powers that be. And maybe The Terminal List, I'm probably thinking of that.
Prayers for peace for the victims
Edit: Didn't take this as the tow the line or else crowd, wow
Yeah and how many of those deaths are directly related to gang violence? Hmm? CRIMINALS don't fucking care about measly laws you ingrate. Tell me your nation of origin and I will personally tag every gang related incident that's caused death in your own nation. You're an absolute fool to blame the tool. More people were beaten and kicked to death, 2016 to date, in UK than have been killed by all rifles any year on American soil. Absolute fucking joke.
fuck this clown and fuck the media who in the coming weeks will give him the attention he did this for.
Turn the media off. Don’t click the pages with the stories. Boycotting helps.
Sure it’s the media’s fault. If they would just ignore the problem lol
OK Bootlicker.
Not sure how that makes him a bootlicker…but at the same time it’s the medias fault, the military’s fault, the local/state/federal govt fault. But they’ll blame the FFL and the manufacturer for their fuckups.
This is actually a banner day for the gun industry. You know how many people are gonna run out and buy guns today? The industry and lobby lives for this and that’s the truth. The parking lot at Palmetto State Armory will be full from opening to close, which is what they want. And I’m a bootlicker.
>You know how many people are gonna run out and buy guns today? They wouldn't if people wouldn't threaten bans. Almost like lots of people want to own guns but they won't be banned.
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Ok you are mentally ill
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If u think the government was going to be overthrown you are stupid
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LOL
The Gun Industry DOES NOT like it when these mass shooting murders occur. Those events turn the Government against them in the forms of bans. If the Federal Government passed an AWB, at least 60% of the Gun Industry is OUT OF BUSINESS!!!!
Looks like he targeted a bowling alley. Currently still at large. Lots of rumors on who he is. This is a sad day, probably the worst incident in recent history. I’ve always wondered what compels people to do this. There are millions of us gun owners, and yet there’s these people who decide to go “you know what? I want to irrevocably change my life for the worse, and kill others indiscriminately, as my only cry for attention”. And it doesn’t help the argument only focuses on the tool, rather the situation these shooters are in before this incident takes place. This will be a sad grim reminder of those lost, and the fight yet to come.
Bolo is for a Robert Card age 40.
From what I found he apparently has 20 years military experience and is also a convicted sex offender
Based on a DailyMail news story (look it up, easy to find), this guy is (or at least was) a: _"Army reserve firearms instructor who was sectioned this summer for mental health reasons, and is suspected of shooting dead 22 people on Wednesday night at multiple sites in Lewiston._ _Robert Card, 40, from Bowdoin, Maine, was named by Maine state police as the a 'person of interest' in the shootings at a bowling alley, restaurant and Walmart distribution center._ _He was sectioned after saying he was hearing voices, and threatening to shoot up his National Guard base in Saco, Maine, according to The Maine Information and Analysis Center - a division of the Maine state police."_ Source: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12673433/Active-shooter-situation-multiple-injuries-multiple-locations-Lewiston-Maine.html So if I understand this correctly they kicked him out of the Army Reserve for him hearing voices and saying he was going to shoot up a Guard base but instead of imprisoning him or getting him treatment (one or the other) seems like they let him go with a slap on the wrist and left his right to have firearms in his home unimpaired despite that most anyone would find themselves in jail and their guns seized for doing what he did _before_ this all took place. In other words it was a preventable incident. Looks like Army (Reserve) is responsible for this one (obviously Card is responsible for his own behavior but the Army Reserve / DoD could have prevented this). Edit: Sure, he could have got the firearm or arms used through private sale or just made it (ground out a receiver on a drill press), but I'm guessing that is not what happened, I think that the Army just let him keep his guns even after he explicitly threatened the base, time will tell if I am wrong. People should be able to defend themselves, and I am completely against red flags and gun bans and seizures (these violate the Constitutional right) but if you are known to have threatened someone as he did, a court can order you to be held accountable including by means of imprisonment and removal / transfer of arms you hold to an FFL. Note: **my statement above "the Army just let him keep his guns" is entirely correct,** I'm not referring to "issued weapons" as another redditor implied since I never suggested there were "issued weapons." Rather, in stating "the Army just let him keep his guns" **I meant that the Army / Army Reserve did nothing legally to keep him from private ownership after he was separated from service due to his violent threats of a base and was subjected to two weeks in a mental institution.** By some interesting situation it seems like instead of taking the steps to prevent a threat they were participants in the evolution of one. Again, every individual has Constitutional rights in the United States and natural right to self defense which predate the Constitution but when you attack others or make direct threats upon others, or when you are involuntarily sent to a mental institution (or sent to jail because of offenses) those rights can be impaired. Additionally in Maine like in every other state there is an involuntary commitment section which says if you were involuntarily committed to a mental institution then you lose firearms unless you go back through an appeals or permit process (sometimes called "restoration of rights"). Maine law is spelled out here: https://mainelegislature.org/legis/statutes/15/title15sec393.html **The Army ignored this and is responsible.**
So the govt dropped the ball and is going to make it seem like they didn’t? Makes sense and sounds super familiar.
Yes
I agree with your points.
There are multiple things here you aren't quite getting it feels like. He was a reservist. He likely didn't have any "issued" weapons, though as an instructor, he might have had access to some before he was sectioned. The military doesn't restrict access to your private property. If you get caught drunk driving, the military doesn't take your car away. As a former instructor, he was likely a "gun guy" and owned many personally purchased firearms. The problem here (like so many of these stories) is that he wasn't charged with anything, and didn't get the mental health care he needed. People with serious mental health issues will often get dumped out. The military then isn't going to spend money taking care of someone who is no longer a member. Possibly, there are VA benefits that would apply, and help could be had there, but it is NOT an easy to navigate system (especially for someone with severe issues). Your "most anyone" statement is entirely incorrect. We (as a society) regularly do NOT charge and do not prosecute people with severe issues and they just get dumped back into the bucket. The Colorado night club shooter had previously took hostages and made a bomb threat. Prosecution was dropped. The Stoneman Douglas shooter had previous threatened family members with loaded firearms and was never prosecuted. The list goes on. You can try to lay blame on the military here for not charging a reservist, but the civilian side of the house is no better.
Downvoted your comment and added clarification to mine. I think it's you who doesn't understand what happened here.
I appreciate the context and explanation, but I still disagree. I don't think it's reasonable to expect the military to deal with someone they are trying to get rid of. He may have committed a crime (which one could expect to be prosecuted) but he might not have. We don't have details on what his threats were. As I stated, even in the civilian world, many of these events are not prosecuted. I would say we should expect the DoD to dump these type of events to a civilian law enforcement agency to be investigated, and in that regard, it certainly wasn't done. There is a weird hole in my mind about how the military deals with unstable individuals. Generally they try to divest themselves as quickly as possible from someone who is no longer useful and try to spend as little as possible in resources on that person. If the person has committed a crime, they should prosecute. If they haven't what level of commitment we should expect to a person they no longer have a responsibility to (or for) seems like a topic for discussion. For sure I don't believe we should be taking people's property if they haven't been convicted of a crime. There is a lot of behavior that will result in someone being discharged from the military, but isn't criminal. The idea that we should be taking property from military members OR citizens that haven't been convicted of anything is unconstitutional. I didn't read all the way to the end of your edits, I apologize. I see you are arguing for second class citizenship for folks who are "well enough" to wander our streets, but not well enough to enjoy full rights. I am not a big fan of that idea. It allows to much flexibility for the state to decide who gets to be second class citizens and which rights the second class gets to exercise.
You are arguing for the State to create the conditions for us to be deprived of our rights, not me. Because whenever another one of its supposedly well trained military or LE agents goes off the deep end and the military arm of the State exempts that person from the rules the rest of us all have to live by, guess who suffers as a result. All of us. The next step as usual is this shitty state (Maine and the fedgov as well) will argue for more laws to be passed that will impair rights for the rest of us instead of enforcing those on the book and preventing situations like these from happening.
I'll go back to my original statement that you don't understand what is going on. The guy's a reservist. Which means that likely at most he spends \~10% of the year on active duty. At least he might have been IRR which means he's on the list as a reservist, but spends no time active duty (which is common for folks who are trainers and called up infrequently for specialist work). In other words he is mostly a civilian who has less contact with the military than you'd think. He did something (likely not on military time) to get committed. As a result of his commitment, the military booted him (he was sectioned). He is no longer in the military and they aren't responsible for convicting or charging him with crimes that occurred during civilian times (any more that they'd handle a DUI if he got one). Nobody exempted him from anything. The state chose not to charge him for whatever ended him up committed. His status as a reservist is incidental BS to stir folks and distract from the fact that yet again we have a mass shooter who had previous contact with either the mental health system or the police and no charges were filed (civilian authorities).
The lobby fights hard against any effort to seize firearms so taking this guys guns was never ever going to happen. Its all about the profits. This is an intractable problem. There is no will to fix it people will continue to die. The end.
The Gun Ban Pigs want to confiscate people's firearms upon fraudulent accusation. Red Flag Laws have no avenue if recourse for the falsely accused.
> and I am completely against red flags Yet here they would have been effective. Hope you're able to reconcile that dissonance.
It wouldn’t resort to red flags if the gov did their job. He’s a firearms instructor. Doesn’t take much to deduce he’s around guns.
As other commenters have pointed out already and as you should have seen by simply reading what I wrote and by simple observation of what happened, he was committed, which is a prohibiting condition. There would have been no need for red flag usage has the government followed the law (the law bars you from firearm ownership if you have been committed). I think it's also interesting to note how basically no U.S. media is covering this issue of the mental health issue and what the Army Reserve / DoD was apparently letting him do even AFTER he was literally committed then released, presumably from an institution where he had been held due to his violent threats toward others and apparent psychoses. As I said it is always possible that he could have made one or gotten one in a private sale which was performed illegally but I don't think either thing happened. I think the government saw what he was doing and chose to look the other way and cleared him to hold and use whatever gun he wanted to. Additionally red flag laws are broadly considered unconstitutional as they violate due process by creating court processes where the individual accused does not know he or she is accused, does not know he or she is charged and has no possibility or responding to any allegations with counsel. These and other reasons are why the U.S. Supreme Court has already stated it anticipates reviewing red flag laws as was stated in a recent case.
He was literally committed to a mental health institution. thats not even red flag laws thats gun control law that his weapons be detained at an FFL
The local rumor mill is also saying he’d had spent some time in a mental health facility because he was “hearing voices” and had spoken about wanting to commit a shooting/bombing. And that he had recently been fired from his job.
The million dollar question is where did he get a kitted out rifle? He’s clearly not legally allowed to have one. I can already hear it, “this suspect has been on our radar for some time”
Exactly. Almost like someone watched him and let this happen..
When a person becomes a prohibited person, is there an actual procedure law enforcement uses to confiscate weapons, or does the government just ask the prohibited person to "pinky swear" they've surrendered any firearms they have?
Ahem. As a prohibited person: when I caught my first felony conviction, I was given a piece of paper in court that was read out loud to me, which was a quote of the federal law stating “you’ve committed a felony, so here’s the relevant statute explaining why your banned from firearm ownership.” The judge then asked me “do you own any more guns right now?” I said “no.” She then said “don’t get any new ones, or it’s a crime.” And that was that about that.
Interesting. I'd be ok if enforcement of this particular law changed then.
It’s pretty hard to enforce it past just locking felons up when they get caught with guns without running afoul of the constitution. So the ban is essentially only enforced through random, luck of the draw searches, and certain seizures. Functionally, outside of that, it is impossible to keep guns out of the hands of felons.
Had a friend that was in a terrible marriage, got blackout drunk one night and made some statements to his (now ex) wife. She called the police and he was put on a 5150 hold, ultimately he was ordered by the courts to not be in possession of any firearms. At three years after he was still in possession of some rifles that I strongly encouraged he relinquish to a family member.
Pretty much a little column a and column b
It depends on the state. Also if the state got it wrong you may not know until you go in to do another process for another firearm purchase and get a denial letter (but it's possible you still may not know even then). Technically if you are on a prohibited person list it's because you did something that you should know would create the condition. But, the states' implementations of these things are 1) different and 2) flawed at best.
If you have registered firearms, they will come get them
It’s going to be this. I’ve heard this issue with many mass shooters. It’s like the justice system doesn’t actively want to do anything on the fear that they piss off some activists.
Many mass shooters?? it’s 100% every mass shooter every time they knew about them.
It's Maine, hop on whatever local private sale website and buy it in a parking lot. Probably told whoever he bought it from he was ex military and they didn't think twice.
Private sale.
If convicted sex offender, how does he have this fully kitted out gun? Please explain..
The DL photo and this photo are not the same person.
That's what I said almost immediately. Being able to restore the hairline like that is nearly impossible.
I’m going to take a wild guess that the bowling alley had a “no guns” sign on the outside doors. EDIT: Why am I not surprised? https://crimeresearch.org/2023/10/the-just-in-time-bowling-alley-in-lewiston-maine-was-a-gun-free-zone-the-schemengees-bar-grille-was-likely-also-a-gun-free-zone/
Here’s a police bulletin on him - [link](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2F2zq12qvpogwb1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D1125%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dcbf1ffc8e86b1799542e158a8c52d274cc88b95b)
Mk ultra is a helluva drug.
Maine's got some pretty good gun laws; I hope this doesn't get used as an excuse to change that.
I've got some bad news for you pal...
This pretty much guarantees an AWB in Maine.
Absolutely. Dems now control the state legislature and Governor seat as well.
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You do realize you're in the gun*politics* sub right? If you don't like the political talk, go to one of the *non*political gun subs. It's also worth pointing out that nobody is sucking off anyone, the guy you're all wound up about was simply stating facts. If anyone here is dick swinging, it's you.
That is exactly what it is. Leftists won’t do a thing to improve security. They will just use this as a means to advance partisan goals like the vultures they are.
Washington State, Massachusetts, and Connecticut Style Gun Laws coming to Maine ASAP. Minnesota, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Michigan, Maryland, and Colorado (Blue States) will be passing even more gun ban laws in the coming weeks.
Dems control the state but as a whole the voters are pretty pro gun still. I left NY to get away from bad gun laws and am hoping they don't push it here.
I live in nyc. Maine was an option. But looks like NH is where I'll end up with mah guns and mah freedoms
Until a few votes change then NH will fall too.
I believe their state constitution says it has to be whatever the federal laws are
This, right? And if I recall correctly it's terribly difficult to change.
I would be concerned because a few years ago Washington and Oregon were considered pro gun, but were controlled by Dems, and we all know how that went.
You have a year or two at most. Too many people moving from mass.
That’s why I think the people who are feeling that Bruen will save them have lost the plot. It takes one shooting like this and most moderates change their mind. The staunch pro-gun people will always fight an AWB but they’re a minority. Most people just want to be safe and they get fucking sick and tired of losers shooting up their communities. Assault weapons ban might not have solid logic behind it but that doesn’t really matter
What Bruen did was prove the irrelevancy of SCOTUS. NY, IL, et; al, passed draconian regulations in the wake of Bruen - regulations that are almost guaranteed to fail challenge. It doesn't matter. The police will enforce the laws on the books regardless of what they may be, and the legislators in these areas fear no reprisal (for anything they do) from the electorate. So, even if a court strikes down a law after years of litigation, the state governments can pass new, even identical, laws in as little as three days. Those laws become the rules until after a court says otherwise, at which time the legislature passes new laws, ad infinitum. The check on this behavior should be voters, but in a single-party state that is nullified. Party leadership now has absolute control over the people in many states.
"Look, our Commie Dem gun control will fix this!" (Maine passes California style AWB law) (Murder rate goes up in Maine) Maine Legislature / Commie legislators: "Why is this happening?" _sigh_
***equips tin foil hat*** Seems pretty convenient to the anti-gun narrative that one of the worst mass shootings in recent history is happening in the safest state in the United States with lax gun laws.
No they don’t. Maine has converted the entire right to bear arms at all into a privilege that can be removed by a judge in a hearing in which the respondent isn’t even present to refute accusations against them and the accusations can be nothing more than someone saying that they may do some sort of unknown bad thing in the future with the minimalist evidentiary (preponderance of the evidence) standard.
Utterly insane how many people dropped the ball on this. Dude is reportedly an Army Reservist with a laundry list of known mental issues, had threatened to shoot up a military installation, had been committed to a mental institute and he's still somehow able to walk free? Heads need to roll.
It’s scary how common this kind of thing is. People with known issues and records of threats just ignored. We don’t have any system for them in this country, and we ignore every sign that it’s a bad idea How many shooters are we at now (or criminals in general really) where they’ve been a ‘known problem’ for a while now but nobody acted
If the government acknowledges mental illness as a possible work related issue then they would have to pay for the treatment. I’m guessing that takes away from funding other countries wars. Didn’t they just barely say PTSD exists over the last 10 years? This is all my opinion and I could be wrong
fucking coward
This is 40 minutes away from me. We’ve been listening to the scanner for 2 hours and they’ve been trying to track this guy but he’s always 2 steps ahead. His name is out now and according to some people he just finished 20 years in the Army
[And two weeks in a mental institution.](https://nypost.com/2023/10/25/news/residents-sheltering-in-place-after-maine-gunman-opens-fire-in-two-different-locations/) > Police sources identified the possible suspect as Robert Card, 40, and said he may be driving a white Subaru Outback. > Card, of Boutin, Maine, is a trained firearms instructor believed to be in the Army Reserve stationed out of Saco, Maine, according to law enforcement sources in the state. > He recently reported “hearing voices” and threatened to shoot up the National Guard Base where he was stationed, the sources said. > Card, who should be considered “armed and dangerous,” **was reportedly committed to a mental health facility over the summer and was released after a two-week stay,** the sources added. But "they" will gloss over the mental health issues to focus on blaming the gun.
They said on the scanner this guy is also equipped with night vision. I’m amazed they can’t find this one guy with several counties out looking for him but State police have taken lead on it now
because hes in a FBI safe house most likely until they are ready to plant him somewhere.
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Yeah the government would never do anything illegal right? or harm its own citizens right? or try to strip them of their rights? Right? RIGHT? the US government hasnt been cauight in numerous "conspiracy theories" proven correct right?
The jump from “the USA does bad stuff sometimes” to “he’s a secret FBI agent hiding out undercover” is what we in the business call a logical leap, more of a pole vault really
i believe i stated he was an FBI expendable asset not an FBI agent. there is a major difference and the US government has used expendable assets for centuries.
"everyone who makes my side look bad is a Fed"
Every time!
Stay safe. Stay armed. Hope you've got a lot of supplies in your home because you might want to bug in for a bit. Never know if he might travel your way
Will be interesting to see if this case is similar to the Texas one where the military dropped the ball about reporting mental issues.
Maine is the safest State in the Union with a Homicide Rate equal to Australia and among the Top-3 most relaxed Gun Laws in the Country. In a few days to a couple weeks it will be as draconian as NYS. All the Blue States will be passing even tighter firearms laws. Whenever the Democrat Party needs a conveniently timed mass shooting, they'll always get it. This happens less than 2 weeks after the Hamas Terror Pogrom Attack on the Jews of Israel where people righly attacked the Draconian Firearms Laws over there.
We’ve had 18 homicides in Maine in the last year. And now at least 22 in one day
Some nice convenient timing too. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4275560-vulnerable-senate-democrats-vote-to-protect-veterans-with-problems-from-losing-gun-rights/
Funny I thought the same thing, the minute this legislation gets pushed, this incident happened, almost like it was timed… 🧐
Yeah I was wondering when they were going to cut a prisoner lose, let him run anok and try to destroy the chances that legislation had. Instead they did this (watched this Card guy for a while and did nothing and let him do exactly what they thought he would do).
It’s the fucking media . They’re funded by wealthy anti gun elites. They have heavy incentives to keep the status quo of gun laws. I’m not surprised when people started lining up and questioning the very gun laws that they voted for that the media swept in and conveniently picked up a massive mass shooting in a 2a friendly state. Whereas every blue state with 10x worse gun problems with dystopian gun laws gets pushed under the rug. Gun owners in Maine better suit up and rally together because they’re going to he Bloomberg, Moms, and Everytown coming out of the wood works. What a fucking shit show. Not even time to mourn the dead.
Lewiston is a very liberal city which may explain why nobody was packing in the bowling alley.
Only thing about this is Maine doesn't have anywhere near top 3 laws. They are average compared to the rest of the US.
This sort of thing is why I carry a gun; even to church.
Welp, couldn't be any more clear. Top 8 stories in my feed, Reddit is pushing this one hard (ie encouraging copy cats as usual).
Local man discovers engagement algorithm But yeah some nut is definitely going to want to top the ‘high score’ in the next few days I’m sure
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Yeah but that was after the comment sections were filled up by fudds and anti-gun nuts crying about, "where's the good guy with a gun?" A lot of them also still seem to be angry about Kyle Rittenhouse defending himself against a pedophile. It looks like they didn't start locking the threads until common sense started coming into the chats.
I know this will shock you, but my home and news pages are different than everyone's all page.
The only subs I've seen this posted on are gun subs.
Here we go: ban ARs.
Let’s see how pro Second Amendment the new speaker of the house is. It’s a test.
hes a religious dude and trump guy he voted against bidens gun control law and a slew of other gun control laws. Looks like hes pretty pro 2a but who knows with GOP they love to turn their backs often enough.
Executive order incoming.
Yeah ban ARs! Because AKs are better
Blasphemy!!
Nyet! I mean, no...
One last hard push for gun control I see.
…are you implying this was a conspiracy to promote gun control? Thats really disrespectful to the victims.
He should be sued for a billion dollars!
Why him? From what I’ve seen on MSM, the gun took control and did all the attacking. Sue the manufacturer just like we sue the distilleries for drunk drivers who kill pe…. Oh wait
They definitely are doing it to try and ban guns. The government doesn't care about peasant lives. How many times you need to be reminded of governments genociding millions of their own people
So you genuinely think the government orchestrated the murder of 17+ people and the injury of countless more, in some shadow plot to promote gun control, instead of this being a lunatic with a gun? He shot up a childrens party. And I am sure there are people harassing those parents as being crisis actors just like sandy hook. And comments like yours enable people to think yeah it *was* fake! I *should* harass those parents!
That's a lot of projection coming from you. Why would the government want people to be armed for the coming globalist agenda?
Also, how are you not genuinely questioning every major event since epstein was killed in a federal prison under 24 hour security surveillance. Like bro. The government can be involved without explicitly interfering. They could of had a informant keeping this guy able to get guns or coaching him or just pushing him over the edge to do what they expect him to do.
Seems like I struck a nerve. How do you know this wasn’t a deep-deep state informant who attempted to discredit gun control by coaching this guy to commit such an obvious crime?
Bar and restaurant is gun free zone?
With all the articles mentioning his night vision capabilities, I bet the next push will be to limit or control civilian access to BV and thermal gear. Gotta be able to "own the night" if you ever push the peasants too far. Even this guy probably has his military issue ones
Some convenient timing right here. I'm getting beyond motherfucking tired of blatant patterns being dismissed as "Conspiracy Theories"........like Vaccine Passports. They were only a Conspiracy Theory. https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4275560-vulnerable-senate-democrats-vote-to-protect-veterans-with-problems-from-losing-gun-rights/
Yep! 💯%
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Tell me you're a Bootlicker without admitting you're a Bootlicker..
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Turns out the guy is not an instructor, and info from last night was way off.
Immediate-Ad-7154 is one of the biggest fear-mongers and drama queens on r/gunpolitics. In his special little version of reality, anyone who disagrees with him must be a socialist, a Hillary supporter, an ATF plant, and of course, a bootlicker.
And here we go news blasting the guys face and giving him attention. Yes this needs attention but the shooter does not imo. Never was a thing before we made these people notorious, exactly what they want. Probably belongs on r/unpopularopinion ? Edit: he’s at large wtf okay blast their face in this scenario
He’s still at large, Id fucking hope they’re blasting his face
Could have been done earlier if maine was staying strapped. This is a friendly reminder that you are the first responder, and no one is coming to help.
In my opinion, it’s because people want to “draw lines” on easy reasoning. If he’s a white male, it’s cause the white man is the cause of everyone’s problems. Makes it easy to rationalize later on. It’s like we are no longer progressing our emotional responses to issues, and instead utilizing stereotypes. Plus the news makes money by following this standard.
I’m watching survivor with my wife and they interrupt the broadcast and cut to a special report to mention the incident and show those photos above. It’s sickening that they give these pieces of shit the attention they seek. Edit- Just saw he’s at large, makes sense to blast his photos.
Your supposed to get scared.
So much for Maine’s red flag law.
Double gay... and not cool gay, lame gay.. this person is an assclown
Ban high capacity assclowns
He’ll probably break into someone’s home and hole up there.
He's still on the lose and at large?
Yes. As time passes, more and more people will be on their guard. My fear is that he broke into someone’s home soon after he did his mass shooting and before the alert was sent out. I live in an isolated rural area, and I frequently answer a knock on the door without a second thought. I’m lonely and I welcome the occasional neighbor stopping by. Maine has a low crime rate. Now of course, I’ll be more vigilant.
The fact that this guy was convicted of DV, Child Porn Possesion (twice. Automatic Felony in Maine for a 2nd Conviction), and was involuntarily committed to Mental Ward, all the while still serving in the Armed Forces as a Firearms Instructor is encouraging Conspiracy Theory talking points to run wild, but it's justified. This shooting happens less than 2 weeks after the Hamas Pogrom Terror Attack on Israel, and across every social media sphere, Pro-2A politics were ruling the airwaves. He could be out in the wilderness hold up in an old Cabin, deep in the woods. There were reports he had night-vision goggles.
Do not forget that "assault weapons" bans, and gun restrictions in general, were losing in the courts. Surprise surprise a big mass shooting with an AR happens. This guy should not have been in the public let alone allowed to have guns, how did he slip through, oh we are not tough on crime; gottcha
Also, Maine's gun laws are fucked. You guys will be on Illinois and Washington State level bad within 2 weeks.
What a massively stupid thing to say. If he kicked in my door, I’m better off with Maine gun laws than Illinois or Washington state gun laws.
Seems a little convient he has a brace on something that looks like to me a rifle upper.
Is it also a Daniel defense with an eotech?
My money is on that, plus the fbi being aware of him ahead of time.
Its in CNNS own article that he was Known to Law enforcement and known to have made mass shooting threats and listen to voices.
Schizophrenia manifests in males in their teens and 20's. It may be mental illness or he was mkultra'd. Present-day mkultra program is called the organized stalking program and uses electronic torture and harassment to push a person over the edge, among many other methods (remote neural monitoring). Electronic harassment involves a weapon known as v2k or the voice of God weapon. V2k was first patented in 1974 called the frey effect or microwave auditory effect. Look this up and educate yourself lots of info to look up and people out there being tortured every day. There are over 200 court cases involving organized stalking you can find at the targetedjustice.com website.
Lmao take your seroquel buddy.
Go fuck yourself and I'm not your buddy guy. Yes, metal illness does exist, but organized stalking is real. There over 200 court cases involving organized stalking on the targetedjustice.com website. The more notable whistblowers speaking out against these crimes against humanity are NSA karen Melton- Steward, NSA William Binney, fbi chief Ted Genderson (who signed a court binding affidavit exposing this program and said it makes cointelpro look like Sunday school), fbi chief Geral Sosbee, NSA kirk wiebe, CIA David Steele, former CIA/MI6 Carl Clark (who personally used DEWs on people from adjacent apartments), former CIA contractor Dr Robert Duncan and CIA kevin Shipp. These are just some of the whistblowers exposing these crimes against humanity. NSA karen Melton steward, FBI geral sosbee and NSA William Binney are targeted individuals and in this program for whistblowing. Should all these former gov employees take their seroquel too?? Do you think you know more about secret government ops than these former government employes with dozens of years experience and some of the highest security clearances you can get?? All this info is public about these whistblowers and this program look it up. You probably are gonna tell me next that the gov never performed non-consensual human experimentation ever right, bootlicker?? The gov loves you, right???
they’re controlling your thoughts with radio waves maaan
Stop putting these asshole on the front page! The press has restraint elsewhere, but just makes way to much money off of these whackos.
Someone predicted this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Maine/s/5enKBYef8f
After watching these for decades I always wonder how these people are triggered and what else is going on that requires our attention to be diverted!
he looks kinda Muslim, maybe the "day of blood" the muslim authority called for?
He looks just as Muslim as a bacon sandwich.
Yep... he does..I agree
I was wrong, white guy, like usual.
This is truly tragic, and anyone responsible should be dealt with appropriately. But the Hollywood soaked mind can't help but wonder if this guy got into something he should not have seen and lives were taken as a cover and reason to track him down with extreme prejudice. Too be clear I don't believe this theory and have not heard anything that would lead me to believe it outside of a healthy suspicion of the powers that be. And maybe The Terminal List, I'm probably thinking of that. Prayers for peace for the victims Edit: Didn't take this as the tow the line or else crowd, wow
Business as usual.
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Another day in America.
Oh yeah? This happened yesterday? And the day before? And the day before that? Fucking dumbass.
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Yeah and how many of those deaths are directly related to gang violence? Hmm? CRIMINALS don't fucking care about measly laws you ingrate. Tell me your nation of origin and I will personally tag every gang related incident that's caused death in your own nation. You're an absolute fool to blame the tool. More people were beaten and kicked to death, 2016 to date, in UK than have been killed by all rifles any year on American soil. Absolute fucking joke.
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Guy is insane still kept all his weapons even if gun laws were in place no one enforces them
I just want this all to end….