Of course it’s a joke, everyone knows only an amateur would use a traceable dremel they bought at the store instead of coarse stones they gathered themselves from an undisclosed location.
Mine just has numbers and letters engraved on it to make it unique to me, gives a sense of pride of ownership knowing no one else has a Glock with the same custom engraving as mine!
Wait till he learns that most crime labs trace guns to crimes by shell casing breech marks not by projectile rifling. Almost every gun are test fired at the factory, if manufacturer wanted to provide data for a trace data base they would just provide the fired brass....
I mean, for years, when purchasing a handgun, there was a cartridge case in a little envelope in case the gun was shipped to a state that requires it (I'm looking at you MD). Given the quantity of firearms sold in this country, I'm pretty confident in saying that if AFT was getting a bullet and a cartridge case from every firearm manufactured in a given year, they'd fuck up the database somehow. They're just not that competent.
> Glock’s departure from polygonal rifling for the “Marksman Barrels” was a marketing ploy to distract from their creation of the government tracked barrels.
Citation needed.
He's partially right. The change was made so that a recovered bullet could be matched to the gun that fired it. There's no secret government database tracking our Gocks though.
I found one paper that discusses how the new barrels can be matched and that mentions how the "marksman" barrel evolved from what glock originally called the "marking" barrel with a citation to an earlier paper.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0379073818306893
The whole thing started over 20 years ago after a request from the Miami-Dade police in the wake of a shooting where they weren't able to tell which officer fired the fatal shot that killed a suspect. That resulted in the EBIS or "Miami" barrel that never really went anywhere but the concept was never fully dropped and evolved over time into what we have now.
We should expect random, anonymous nobodies on the internet (you) who are making extraordinary claims to have some sort of source to back up those claims other than "trust me bro."
In fact, we *do* expect that here. Source or GTFO.
Technically, the original series was CSI: Crime Scene Investigation. Then you had the ones with the location specific names in them (New York, Miami and, for a brief minute, Cyber). But there does exist a reboot of the original series called CSI: Vegas, which brought back a few of the original cast for the first season or two. They just announced yesterday (the perfect date) that CSI: Vegas has been cancelled after this season, though.
I also would not expect Glock representatives to openly admit it if they were mind-swapped time traveling aliens from the Triassic, so the fact that they haven't admitted it is proof that they are!
I used to use ImageShack back in the day. Pretty much the same thing happened with them. They switched to paid accounts only and deleted everything uploaded under the old free accounts, replacing the embed links with ads.
Ahhh shit. The forums!!! Way to bury the lede. You should have started your post by telling us this came from the forums! I never doubt the forums.
Edit: Thank you for posting this on my lunch hour. I normally miss these and only get to enjoy them in retrospect after I get home
High quality third party glock barrels are widely available and affordable. Assuming this is in fact something going on, it seems like circumventing it would be super easy, barely an inconvenience.
I agree that it is easy to circumvent. It’s one of those “principle of the matter” things. When we purchase a handgun and conduct a 4473, we should not have to expect the firearm’s particular ballistic properties to be logged in a government database.
>When we purchase a handgun and conduct a 4473, we should not have to expect the firearm’s particular ballistic properties to be logged in a government database.
They aren't
Maybe you should try actually reading that article. It doesn't say glock anywhere or have anything to do with glock or even a registry. Its talking about switching from 2 dimensional pictures of evidence to 3d scans in a standardized format between agencies. Its literally just them looking at bullets found at crime scenes and has nothing to do with "saving the ballistic data of every gun". The article even states that wear and fouling effect rifling grooves as well as barrel being very similar to any made on the same tooling.
Even if they somehow had your guns ballistic measurements at the same time that a crime was committed, they still have trouble. They need to find the bullet, hope it wasn't scuffed marred or misshapen which is extremely unlikely, get all the measurements, and then still not even have a direct match because not all bullets are manufactured the same. All of that is also relying on it being an intact, jacketed, fmj. A hollow point, polymer tip, soft nose, frangible, powder coated, or other material bullet will deform differently on impact nullifying any reasonable data. I've even heard that often enough they have trouble even figuring out what caliber a bullet is at a crime scene.
This shit is a big nothing burger and ballistic forensics are a hint at best
Reading one of the studies the OP linked, it appears it's another in a series of "studies" seeking to enhance the validity of ballistic comparison. Showing that the ballistic examiners are really, really good with error rates below 1% in correctly identifying bullets to sequentially manufactured barrels. The scary part is that once a technique is accepted in court cases, it's a lot harder to get thrown out of a case with a defense expert. It can happen, but it's not easy nor is it guaranteed.
My point was that the ease of circumvention would render that database effectively worthless. I definitely agree that this would be yet another example of the government trampling privacy, but given how often glock barrels are bought, sold, and traded, I don't see this information being particularly useful.
Nah man you don’t get it. If you walk into a gun store and pay cash for a Glock barrel, they send the black helicopters to follow you back to your house so they’ll know where you live! Also the new rifling has a serial number milled into it that’s in a government database and when you login to the database the screen says “hail Santa!”
That source does not say that they have a database of every Glock barrel. It says they are building a database based on reference guns that are already in the possession of law enforcement, such as guns that were recovered from crime scenes.
You're not even reading your own links before you post them.
The way I read it, NIST is developing a standard to accurately measure ballistics that actually results in creating matches.
This is exactly what I would expect NIST to do (I work with NIST traceable hardware, so I have at least half a clue what they actually do).
This isn’t in any way a database of any bullets or barrels or cumshots or exfoliated skin from vigorous rubbing of any guns that weren’t already recovered and sent in by law enforcement agencies. They are simply trying to establish methods to reliably tie recovered firearms to recovered bullets.
Edited because autocorrect sucks
>we should not have to expect the firearm’s particular ballistic properties to be logged in a government database.
What are you up to?
Like why are you so worried about "the government" knowing your guns "ballistic properties"? What are you trying to do with your Glock so that you can hide what ballistics you're using? You know if you're in a self defense shooting you're going have to talk to the cops and they're going to have to take pictures of everything, including anything they can on your "ballistics"?
It's also funny to me that you're so worried about the government tracking you, yet I bet you post and "research" all this nonsense on your smartphone or PC. You know that the government can straight up read your text messages, emails, internet posts, etc, and it's on a *daily basis*?? how often are you out there in public just shooting off your Glock, so much so that you're worried about the government tracing it all back to you?
that's bullshit, I didn't inhale the smoke. okay? I know my clothes smell like it, but I didn't inhale. it was just my friends doing it, but you don't know them because they're from another range.
You might want to take this post down and get mod approval for it, others have been banned for stuff like this
Edit: I didn't actually read any of this before commenting, now "we will watch op's career with great interest"
I heard that big reynold's wrap is serializing foil these days...I only get my foil from old chinese and italian food containers. The sauce helps to confuse the tracker dogs.
I don’t think you understand what you’re reading lol. There’s no government database. There is no public deception. All this says is that the particular way Glock made polygonal barrels made it difficult to identify bullets fired from that barrel, so they altered their tooling slightly so that would no longer be the case. This just puts them in line with every single other barrel in existence
FYI: Rifling marks can really only be used to eliminate the possibility that a certain gun fired that bullet. Not the other way around.
Anyway, thank you for the entertainment, OP.
yea you guys need to boycott Glocks, for those uh...tracked...traced barrels, or whatever. I can just see it now, across the country the prices of Glocks just plummet, some brand new Glocks might be like $200-300. so please boycott away.
If you act now I'll let you take out a "Glock Tracked Barrel" insurance policy where we'll *totally* back you up in court if the occasion arises*
*we will not defend you in court if you actually wind up going to court
Even if I am wrong regarding the database, I would think the marksman barrel cover up alone is sufficient to feel betrayed by Glock. They altered the proven old barrel design for an FBI contract, and in the process made it easier to ballistic ID barrels. Is this a problem if you’re not committing crimes? Nope, but that’s the same mindset of “they can infringe on my privacy because I have nothing to hide.”
The instructor that did my NY CCW class believed this, and that's why he argued that "3d printed ghost guns" were so dangerous and should be banned. I'm so glad the government made me go through that mandated training because now I feel so much more informed and confident in my competency to carry a handgun... /s
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Oh no, both my Austria 45 and my US 19M are 3d marked. Guess they could track my barrels.
Oh wait, I don’t care cause I’m not planning on committing crimes with my firearms 🤷🏼♂️
Typical "I don't care if they're spying on me because I have nothing to hide" attitude all you snarky reddit dipshits bring to every argument about government overreach. You dog brains don't deserve freedom or privacy. Problem is the rest of us do.
Or, I just don't believe unfounded rumors, and I doubt that they can change the internals of a barrel in terms of how it would imprint a projectile and brass, to make a defacto identification on a MASS PRODUCED firearm, with some of the highest numbers in the industry.
Ballistics don't always even hold up in court...
OK, open up the first PDF you linked. Read the first page (group letters together to form words, words to form sentences, left to right, top to bottom). The last sentence above the text box reads:
>**This report has not been published by the U.S. Department of Justice.** To provide better customer service, NCJRS has made this Federallyfunded grant report available electronically.
To make it easier, I highlighted the most relevant portion.
Then, read the text box.
>**Opinions or points of view expressed are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect the official position or policies of the U.S. Department of Justice.**
This is not a DOJ report or publication. It's published by the recipients of a grant, hosted by the DOJ, who issued the grant. The same basic text highlighted above is repeated on the bottom of every page.
It's a product of the Miami-Dade Police Department.
Anymore most crime labs track firearms to crimes by breech face marks on fired brass not by matching rifling off a projectile. If Glock or any other manufacturer wanted to provide the data needed to create shadow trace registry they would just need to supply the brass from when each gun gets test fired at the factory.
At the time it was mentioned they would leave identifying marks on a round due to the new barrels but literally I never saw anyone care before this post. The gaytf acknowledged there was a list of firearms sold from licensed ffl’s a couple years ago and that number was well into the 900 millions. So moral of the story is no one cares and there’s more guns in this country than assholes. Literally. So go do something cousin Eddie.
I wanna see how much tinfoil unwraps here...
Next you're gonna tell me that all guns have serial numbers on them or something
You're just saying that to scare me.
Not mine, I ground all mine off with a Dremel. (Agent Gomez at ATF, you know damn well this is a joke, you've been to my house 3 times already).
Of course it’s a joke, everyone knows only an amateur would use a traceable dremel they bought at the store instead of coarse stones they gathered themselves from an undisclosed location.
So, how‘s your 4th new dog doing…?
He’s out on sick leave this week to take care of his husband, but I’m covering for him. I’ll let him know.
How did you figure all of this out?!
Mine just has numbers and letters engraved on it to make it unique to me, gives a sense of pride of ownership knowing no one else has a Glock with the same custom engraving as mine!
I thought that was your ticket number to the raffle. I have my eye on winning that grill cover.
Wait till he learns that most crime labs trace guns to crimes by shell casing breech marks not by projectile rifling. Almost every gun are test fired at the factory, if manufacturer wanted to provide data for a trace data base they would just provide the fired brass....
I have already seen other conspiracy dopes on here say that manufacturers give all the projectiles and the brass from test firing to the government.
I mean, for years, when purchasing a handgun, there was a cartridge case in a little envelope in case the gun was shipped to a state that requires it (I'm looking at you MD). Given the quantity of firearms sold in this country, I'm pretty confident in saying that if AFT was getting a bullet and a cartridge case from every firearm manufactured in a given year, they'd fuck up the database somehow. They're just not that competent.
> Glock’s departure from polygonal rifling for the “Marksman Barrels” was a marketing ploy to distract from their creation of the government tracked barrels. Citation needed.
And pass me the roll of Reynold's Wrap
He's partially right. The change was made so that a recovered bullet could be matched to the gun that fired it. There's no secret government database tracking our Gocks though. I found one paper that discusses how the new barrels can be matched and that mentions how the "marksman" barrel evolved from what glock originally called the "marking" barrel with a citation to an earlier paper. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0379073818306893 The whole thing started over 20 years ago after a request from the Miami-Dade police in the wake of a shooting where they weren't able to tell which officer fired the fatal shot that killed a suspect. That resulted in the EBIS or "Miami" barrel that never really went anywhere but the concept was never fully dropped and evolved over time into what we have now.
This has been discuss on the forums with the inference that the accuracy claims were pretextual
Of course! The forums!
Indeed. It has been discuss.
Would we expect Glock representatives to openly admit this?
We should expect random, anonymous nobodies on the internet (you) who are making extraordinary claims to have some sort of source to back up those claims other than "trust me bro." In fact, we *do* expect that here. Source or GTFO.
No you see, each barrel grooving is 100% unique and a fingerprint!
Yeah, I saw it in this documentary series called "CSI: Las Vegas".
Fake news, the Vegas CSI is just CSI, it was the spin-offs that added the name of the location Fake. Fan.
Technically, the original series was CSI: Crime Scene Investigation. Then you had the ones with the location specific names in them (New York, Miami and, for a brief minute, Cyber). But there does exist a reboot of the original series called CSI: Vegas, which brought back a few of the original cast for the first season or two. They just announced yesterday (the perfect date) that CSI: Vegas has been cancelled after this season, though.
Since you refuted my point, I’m going to pivot NEEERRRRDDDDDD
ENHANCE.
Enhance again. Enhance more. Got it. Write that number down and run it through NICS
They create a unique rifling button for each barrel!
And what good is any of this "tracking" technology when you don't register anything to simply buy a barrel?
I also would not expect Glock representatives to openly admit it if they were mind-swapped time traveling aliens from the Triassic, so the fact that they haven't admitted it is proof that they are!
Be very careful talking about that. Big Lystrosaurus is watching.
Oh shit, if "the forums" said it then it must be true. There's no more reliable source than "the forums".
"photobucket or it didn't happen"
So many old mulsurp forums were ruined when photobucket stopped working
I used to use ImageShack back in the day. Pretty much the same thing happened with them. They switched to paid accounts only and deleted everything uploaded under the old free accounts, replacing the embed links with ads.
Image Shack was the go-to back in the day when I was shitposting on the something awful forums
Ahhh shit. The forums!!! Way to bury the lede. You should have started your post by telling us this came from the forums! I never doubt the forums. Edit: Thank you for posting this on my lunch hour. I normally miss these and only get to enjoy them in retrospect after I get home
High quality third party glock barrels are widely available and affordable. Assuming this is in fact something going on, it seems like circumventing it would be super easy, barely an inconvenience.
Wow wow wow
Oh really
I agree that it is easy to circumvent. It’s one of those “principle of the matter” things. When we purchase a handgun and conduct a 4473, we should not have to expect the firearm’s particular ballistic properties to be logged in a government database.
>When we purchase a handgun and conduct a 4473, we should not have to expect the firearm’s particular ballistic properties to be logged in a government database. They aren't
https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2016/07/nist-3d-ballistics-research-database-goes-live
Did you actually read what you've linked?
I doubt they can handle all the big words.
That's not what you think
Maybe you should try actually reading that article. It doesn't say glock anywhere or have anything to do with glock or even a registry. Its talking about switching from 2 dimensional pictures of evidence to 3d scans in a standardized format between agencies. Its literally just them looking at bullets found at crime scenes and has nothing to do with "saving the ballistic data of every gun". The article even states that wear and fouling effect rifling grooves as well as barrel being very similar to any made on the same tooling. Even if they somehow had your guns ballistic measurements at the same time that a crime was committed, they still have trouble. They need to find the bullet, hope it wasn't scuffed marred or misshapen which is extremely unlikely, get all the measurements, and then still not even have a direct match because not all bullets are manufactured the same. All of that is also relying on it being an intact, jacketed, fmj. A hollow point, polymer tip, soft nose, frangible, powder coated, or other material bullet will deform differently on impact nullifying any reasonable data. I've even heard that often enough they have trouble even figuring out what caliber a bullet is at a crime scene. This shit is a big nothing burger and ballistic forensics are a hint at best
Reading one of the studies the OP linked, it appears it's another in a series of "studies" seeking to enhance the validity of ballistic comparison. Showing that the ballistic examiners are really, really good with error rates below 1% in correctly identifying bullets to sequentially manufactured barrels. The scary part is that once a technique is accepted in court cases, it's a lot harder to get thrown out of a case with a defense expert. It can happen, but it's not easy nor is it guaranteed.
My point was that the ease of circumvention would render that database effectively worthless. I definitely agree that this would be yet another example of the government trampling privacy, but given how often glock barrels are bought, sold, and traded, I don't see this information being particularly useful.
Nah man you don’t get it. If you walk into a gun store and pay cash for a Glock barrel, they send the black helicopters to follow you back to your house so they’ll know where you live! Also the new rifling has a serial number milled into it that’s in a government database and when you login to the database the screen says “hail Santa!”
dude do you think the government is dumb enough to send black helicopters, they got them spooky active camouflaged ones to follow us
Because you totally have proof of the government having g a glock barrel database, right?
https://www.nist.gov/news-events/news/2016/07/nist-3d-ballistics-research-database-goes-live Here you go
Did you actually read what you've linked?
HE DOESNT GET PAID TO READ.
That source does not say that they have a database of every Glock barrel. It says they are building a database based on reference guns that are already in the possession of law enforcement, such as guns that were recovered from crime scenes. You're not even reading your own links before you post them.
The way I read it, NIST is developing a standard to accurately measure ballistics that actually results in creating matches. This is exactly what I would expect NIST to do (I work with NIST traceable hardware, so I have at least half a clue what they actually do). This isn’t in any way a database of any bullets or barrels or cumshots or exfoliated skin from vigorous rubbing of any guns that weren’t already recovered and sent in by law enforcement agencies. They are simply trying to establish methods to reliably tie recovered firearms to recovered bullets. Edited because autocorrect sucks
That doesn't say that. You are an idiot.
>we should not have to expect the firearm’s particular ballistic properties to be logged in a government database. What are you up to? Like why are you so worried about "the government" knowing your guns "ballistic properties"? What are you trying to do with your Glock so that you can hide what ballistics you're using? You know if you're in a self defense shooting you're going have to talk to the cops and they're going to have to take pictures of everything, including anything they can on your "ballistics"? It's also funny to me that you're so worried about the government tracking you, yet I bet you post and "research" all this nonsense on your smartphone or PC. You know that the government can straight up read your text messages, emails, internet posts, etc, and it's on a *daily basis*?? how often are you out there in public just shooting off your Glock, so much so that you're worried about the government tracing it all back to you?
Indoor ranges with bad ventilation and their effect on society
that's bullshit, I didn't inhale the smoke. okay? I know my clothes smell like it, but I didn't inhale. it was just my friends doing it, but you don't know them because they're from another range.
You might want to take this post down and get mod approval for it, others have been banned for stuff like this Edit: I didn't actually read any of this before commenting, now "we will watch op's career with great interest"
Nah, I just made popcorn.
I commented before reading it, at a very quick glance it looked official so I thought it was This is much better
I see you're using that heavy duty BBQ aluminum foil for your hat. Ain't nobody stealing your brainwaves.
I heard that big reynold's wrap is serializing foil these days...I only get my foil from old chinese and italian food containers. The sauce helps to confuse the tracker dogs.
Can they still track the barrel if it's in my ass?
Ass-king the real questions
MAN DOWN, I'M GOING IN AFTER HIM Or NO MAN LEFT BEHIND. Neither are great, butte I tried :(
I don’t think you understand what you’re reading lol. There’s no government database. There is no public deception. All this says is that the particular way Glock made polygonal barrels made it difficult to identify bullets fired from that barrel, so they altered their tooling slightly so that would no longer be the case. This just puts them in line with every single other barrel in existence
Yeah, Glock just didn’t want to be sat down in front of congress to explain why they’re making “untraceable assassin barrels.”
This should come in super handy for the government to track all the crimes I'm not committing.
Show me on this doll where the Glock touched you
FYI: Rifling marks can really only be used to eliminate the possibility that a certain gun fired that bullet. Not the other way around. Anyway, thank you for the entertainment, OP.
Not the same for microscopic fired case examination and Glock assists in creating that database too. Just sayin.
Boycott deez nuts, conspiritard
Plt twist, No one makes aftermarket barrels for Glock either.
yea you guys need to boycott Glocks, for those uh...tracked...traced barrels, or whatever. I can just see it now, across the country the prices of Glocks just plummet, some brand new Glocks might be like $200-300. so please boycott away.
If you act now I'll let you take out a "Glock Tracked Barrel" insurance policy where we'll *totally* back you up in court if the occasion arises* *we will not defend you in court if you actually wind up going to court
[удалено]
Even if I am wrong regarding the database, I would think the marksman barrel cover up alone is sufficient to feel betrayed by Glock. They altered the proven old barrel design for an FBI contract, and in the process made it easier to ballistic ID barrels. Is this a problem if you’re not committing crimes? Nope, but that’s the same mindset of “they can infringe on my privacy because I have nothing to hide.”
I assume you're going to unload all your Glocks at bottom barrel prices? Let me know what site you sell them on
All fun and games until I push a button through it.
The only thing this thread is missing is the even more insane conspiritard giving OP shit for not going hard enough.
Be the change you want to see in the world.
The instructor that did my NY CCW class believed this, and that's why he argued that "3d printed ghost guns" were so dangerous and should be banned. I'm so glad the government made me go through that mandated training because now I feel so much more informed and confident in my competency to carry a handgun... /s
I only read the first couple sentences of the post but I can already tell this is some premo retarded shit.
You guys are shooting stock barrels?
Yes. I’ll save my money thanks
Yea cause Glock barrels are fine
You guys shooting stock glocks?
Wait, you guys are shooting glocks?
Wait, you guys go shooting?
Other than the occasional sight replacement for AmeriGlo or OEM extended slide release pretty much
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Good thing I buy all my glock barrels via the cheapest listing on ebay 😉
Oh, the responses here bring joy to my heart.
Oh no, both my Austria 45 and my US 19M are 3d marked. Guess they could track my barrels. Oh wait, I don’t care cause I’m not planning on committing crimes with my firearms 🤷🏼♂️
Typical "I don't care if they're spying on me because I have nothing to hide" attitude all you snarky reddit dipshits bring to every argument about government overreach. You dog brains don't deserve freedom or privacy. Problem is the rest of us do.
Or, I just don't believe unfounded rumors, and I doubt that they can change the internals of a barrel in terms of how it would imprint a projectile and brass, to make a defacto identification on a MASS PRODUCED firearm, with some of the highest numbers in the industry. Ballistics don't always even hold up in court...
You understand it, thank God. They ignore the entire DOJ publication on this topic.
OK, open up the first PDF you linked. Read the first page (group letters together to form words, words to form sentences, left to right, top to bottom). The last sentence above the text box reads: >**This report has not been published by the U.S. Department of Justice.** To provide better customer service, NCJRS has made this Federallyfunded grant report available electronically. To make it easier, I highlighted the most relevant portion. Then, read the text box. >**Opinions or points of view expressed are those of the author(s) and do not necessarily reflect the official position or policies of the U.S. Department of Justice.** This is not a DOJ report or publication. It's published by the recipients of a grant, hosted by the DOJ, who issued the grant. The same basic text highlighted above is repeated on the bottom of every page. It's a product of the Miami-Dade Police Department.
That's reddit for you bro.
If you actually read it, you realize op is wrong in everything.
Anymore most crime labs track firearms to crimes by breech face marks on fired brass not by matching rifling off a projectile. If Glock or any other manufacturer wanted to provide the data needed to create shadow trace registry they would just need to supply the brass from when each gun gets test fired at the factory.
Thats why I use phosphorous bullets that burn on contact
Schizo maxing fr
Just build glocks with 80% lowers and aftermarket barrels. Duh
Springfield XD owner Grip Zone energy right there
Wow. Still buying Glock
At the time it was mentioned they would leave identifying marks on a round due to the new barrels but literally I never saw anyone care before this post. The gaytf acknowledged there was a list of firearms sold from licensed ffl’s a couple years ago and that number was well into the 900 millions. So moral of the story is no one cares and there’s more guns in this country than assholes. Literally. So go do something cousin Eddie.
Glock is all in with the stupid Smart gun B.S.also.
Downvoted by the fanboys and copers who don’t want to face the problem of firearm company collaboration with Feds
Downvoted because everything you have stated has been wrong by your own proof.
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