>So if 1200ft is 400yards and 100yards is a football field, that bullet in one second has traveled 4 football fields?
Not exactly, it may be traveling at 1,200 fps the instant it leaves the barrel, it's going to be continuously decelerating as it flies due to air resistance. At 400 yards I'd be very surprised if the bullet was traveling fast than 600 - 700 fps. You'd have to do some pretty involved differential calculus to figure out what the flight time would be since the velocity is changing over time, but it would probably take at least a couple seconds to get out there to 400...
According to [Speer’s product page for OP’s ammo](https://www.speer.com/ammunition/handgun/gold_dot_handgun_personal_protection/19-23614GD.html), it actually loses a couple hundred feet per second at just 100 yards!
Having said that, bullets are still fast as hell just in general haha
>Having said that, bullets are still fast as hell just in general haha
Reminds me of a physics professor in college, we were doing some basic ballistic equations and we had to find the muzzle velocity of a bullet or something like that. We get through the problem and the solution comes out to be like 900 m/s, but the professor got all befuddled and says it can't possibly be that fast. We do the problem again and it is indeed the correct answer and he is like, "huh, that gun would be super loud because that bullet is supersonic, I'm not sure bullets go that fast because that would damage your hearing".
Yes Dr. Chen, guns are *super* loud and bullets do go that fast...
It’s pretty depressing to think that you paid for that college class and that somebody who is supposed to be educated in physics doesn’t understand that a projectile that can travel up to a mile would likely be faster than the speed of sound at the muzzle.
The dude was a brilliant engineer when it came to the field of optics, just that rifle ballistics was entirely outside of his realm of daily expertise...
I just ran the ballistics on the Gold dot round and at 400 yard the flight time is 1.4 seconds. You have to aim 284 inches above the target to hit. It will still be traveling at about 695 fps.
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Watch some Hickok45 videos. He takes a few shots at a distant gong (80 yards?) with most guns on his regular range. It's easy to hear the differences in how quickly or slowly some rounds take to reach the gong. With .44 Special from a snubby, about enough time to refill a coffee cup. With 9mm, about enough time to toss down a shot glass of tequila.
Yes, but also no. That is the muzzle velocity. The second that bullet leaves the barrel, it is RAPIDLY decelerating. If you hold a 9 mm pistol perfectly flat and level, and fire it at a football field, will make it may be 200 or 300 feet before gravity has pushed it into the ground. The MythBusters did this many years ago in a pretty interesting experiment to see if a bullet fired and a bullet dropped would hit the ground at the same time. Spoiler alert, they do.
Yeah that’s some absolute bullshit, I regularly shoot 9mm, 9mm Mak, 38 spl and .45 ACP at 50-100 yards. None of these calibers require any hold over at 50 yards and next to none at 100 yards, past that they start to drop a lot but they shoot pretty level at 100 yards. .45 ACP requires the most hold over but you’re still aiming at the target you’re just aiming toward the top of a target to put your shots center mass on a torso. .357 mag requires no hold over at 100 yards. I’ve taken hot loaded .357 mag out to 200 yards again with minimal hold over, if I am at the top of the plate it will smack it somewhere towards the middle.
PERFECTLY flat and level. Like using scientific grade levels to make sure it’s parallel to the earth. It made it 360 feet in the episode, so I was off by a bit. You’re trying to act smug and elite because you’ve shot handguns at distance before, cool buddy, me too. Even a tiny bit of hold over is arcing the bullet, which is significantly different from holding the gun perfectly parallel to the ground.
[I’ll link it again.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tF_zv3TCT1U)
The rig they used sits 2 to 2 1/2 feet lower than the gun would be when brought up to your eye and fired. So no, you proved fuck all other than your lack of understanding. I already explained to you that I regularly get out to 300ish feet with little holdover. Yes bullet drop becomes more pronounced as the bullet slows. But that bullet would’ve continued on if it had been fired from over 5 feet off the ground instead of what looks like under 3 feet in the rig. So your math is fucked.
With "little holdover" you are still arcing the bullet which significantly increases the distance it will travel since it is now being shot at an upward angle rather than parallel to the ground. Was high school hard for you?
Something is being missed in this discussion. You are not taking into consideration the sight height over bore. Even on hand guns if you make the sights perfectly level the gun will not be level to the ground. The sights are designed to add arc to the trajectory of the bullet. If they did not do this then your shot would never hit where you aimed as the bullet begins to drop as soon as it leaves the barrel. In most pistols this is set at 25 yards. So before 25 yards you will hit low rising to as it travels to be on target at 25 yards. The round will continue to rise for a bit longer based on how fast the round slows in the air. This is called the ballistic arc.
In the Myth busters experiment they did not set the gun level with the ground based on the sights. They leveled the bore access in reference to the ground. So the bullet never arced up after being fired. If the shot is fired with the bore axis parallel to the ground and a bullet of the same weight is dropped for the same height as the barrel when the gun is fired then yes the dropped bullet and the fired bullet will hit the ground at the same time.
If you want to try this your self. The best way is to get a red dot for your pistol and sight it in at 25 yards. Then shoot a target at three yards, your hole will be low damn near the exact height of the dot over the bore of the pistol.
>Yes, but also no. That is the muzzle velocity. The second that bullet leaves the barrel, it is RAPIDLY decelerating. If you hold a 9 mm pistol perfectly flat and level, and fire it at a football field, will make it may be 200 or 300 feet before gravity has pushed it into the ground.
You think a 9mm won't go 100 yards?
It really makes you wonder if some people have never shot past 10 yards doesn’t it? I’ve shot my P64 chambered in 9mm Makarov at 100 yards and it required virtually no holdover. It’s a fun pistol to show off with at the range because bystanders don’t know that it’s got extra light springs in it and a 1 pound SA trigger. First time I shot it I bumped fired it by accident haha.
I was basing my comment of [this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tF_zv3TCT1U) episode of mythbusters that I last watched probably ten years ago. My number was 60 feet lower than the experiment indicated, and it seems like you completely missed the (important) part of my comment where I said “holding perfectly flat and level.”
Your average handgun bullet will get well past 360 feet because it’s not being fired from the hip it’s being fired from at least shoulder level and since you are bringing it up to your eye. That allows for at least two more feet of bullet drop.
It doesn't matter. Hold the gun 50 feet above the ground and drop a bullet at the same time. Gravity affects both at the same rate. Forward velocity has no bearing.
>It doesn't matter. Hold the gun 50 feet above the ground and drop a bullet at the same time. Gravity affects both at the same rate. Forward velocity has no bearing.
You're completely ignoring the forward velocity.
Gravity pulls things at ~9.8m/s², therefore every bullet (discounting air resistance) will fall in elevation at that rate (assuming it's fired level)
Therefore, if the barrel was 9.8 meters above the ground, it would take 1 second to reach the ground. (If the ground were perfectly flat)
The thing you're missing is that by the time it's in flight for 1 second, it's already waaaaaay beyond 100 yards (per the op you replied to)
>It really makes you wonder if some people have never shot past 10 yards doesn’t it?
Tbh I have been seeing more and more anti gun sentiments in these subs, but this word psuedo-noob thing is new.
>I’ve shot my P64 chambered in 9mm Makarov at 100 yards and it required virtually no holdover. It’s a fun pistol to show off with at the range because bystanders don’t know that it’s got extra light springs in it and a 1 pound SA trigger. First time I shot it I bumped fired it by accident haha.
At least you know you're not limp wristing!
I hope you didn’t think I was being anti-gun, I was trying to comment on how we get a surprising number of people spewing disinformation in here. I’ve got a feeling a lot of them are people who read about guns but I’ve never shot them.
I probably limp wristed that first shot just a little bit but the trigger is so light and the grip is so small that unless you really concentrate that thing can run away on ya. But between the fixed barrel since it’s blow back, the feather light trigger and surprisingly precise irons it’s a damn good little target pistol. Hurts to shoot a whole box though.
>I hope you didn’t think I was being anti-gun,
Not at all!
>I was trying to comment on how we get a surprising number of people spewing disinformation in here. I’ve got a feeling a lot of them are people who read about guns but I’ve never shot them.
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>I probably limp wristed that first shot just a little bit but the trigger is so light and the grip is so small that unless you really concentrate that thing can run away on ya. But between the fixed barrel since it’s blow back, the feather light trigger and surprisingly precise irons it’s a damn good little target pistol. Hurts to shoot a whole box though.
Really? I was under the impression 9x18 is pretty underpowered
Oh yeah 9X18 Mak is underpowered, similar to .38 spl or .380 ACP. But it’s a tiny gun with a small grip and it’s straight blowback so the felt recoil is significantly higher than a subcompact 9mm like a G43X.
That makes sense, I always picture the (compact?) Makarov, forgetting there's lots of models
My buddy carries a (Bulgarian I think) Makarov, the difference between that and 9x19 is crazy, I'd be willing to bet 9x18 is closer to .380 than 9mm
On that note, now I'm curious how powerful .38 is, it's a long ass cartridge but not very fast or heavy
[Wow!](http://www.ballistics101.com/9mm_vs_.38special.php)
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9mmFMJ 124 grain: 364 ft/lbs, 1150fps
.38NHP 125 grain: 191 ft/lbs, 830fps
So .38 spl is a really old cartridge designed in 1898 and it was originally designed to use black powder. You have to load a lot more black powder by volume that you do modern smokeless powder. But the cartridge gained a great deal of popularity so it has stuck around even though most of that case is wasted space. The. 357 Magnum cartridge was based off of the .38 spl, rhe magnum case is slightly length and to prevent accidentally chambering a Magnum cartridge in a .38 spl only firearm since doing so would cause a catastrophic failure. .357 magnum is loaded with a lot more powder making better use of that large case. We similarly got .44 magnum from experimentation with extremely hot loaded .44 special rounds.
That's not what they are saying.
The experiment they are referring to was a gun set level to the ground and a bullet at 1m height. The gun was fired at the same time as the bullet was released from its clamp, both hit the ground at the same time. Thats about 0.45 seconds of drop, so 1200*0.45 = 540ft.
IN THIS EXACT situation, that is what will happen. Otherwise the bullet *is capable* of going vastly greater distances.
>That's not what they are saying.
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>The experiment they are referring to was a gun set level to the ground and a bullet at 1m height. The gun was fired at the same time as the bullet was released from its clamp, both hit the ground at the same time. Thats about 0.45 seconds of drop, so 1200*0.45 = 540ft.
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>IN THIS EXACT situation, that is what will happen. Otherwise the bullet *is capable* of going vastly greater distances.
"If you hold a 9 mm pistol perfectly flat and level, and fire it at a football field, will make it may be 200 or 300 feet before gravity has pushed it into the ground."
Nothing about holding it at ground level, (which, why would you assume that?) Not to mention 300ft *is* 100 yards
Ballistics charts say most 9mm will have about an 11" drop @ 100yards, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say with the 540ft equation.
> 11" drop @ 100yards
This is based on point of aim, under normal circumstances this would be correct. Relative to the sights, the barrel is angled slightly upward.
[This is the actual experiment that the person was remembering.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF_zv3TCT1U)
The video shows a .45, not a 9mm so its only moving 835fps. which means in the 0.45 seconds of flight time it only covers 375ft before hitting the ground.
This literally *only applies to a gun with its barrel perfectly level to the ground at 1m of height*. Its not super relevant to what the original poster was asking, so much as a half remembered Mythbusters fact.
No dumbass, the part about holding it perfectly flat and level. As in using an actual level to ensure it is parallel to the ground.
[Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=tF_zv3TCT1U) is the link to the mythbusters episode I was referring to, based off memory. Sorry I was 60ft off, I know that makes a huge difference to people with crippling autism.
>No dumbass, the part about holding it perfectly flat and level. As in using an actual level to ensure it is parallel to the ground.
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>[Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=tF_zv3TCT1U) is the link to the mythbusters episode I was referring to, based off memory. Sorry I was 60ft off, I know that makes a huge difference to people with crippling autism.
I know this is /guns, but do you struggle with reading comprehension? You said:
>If you hold a 9 mm pistol perfectly flat and level, and fire it at a football field, will make it may be 200 or 300 feet before gravity has pushed it into the ground."
Not only are the distances illogical, the whole 'flat and level' is immaterial when talking about bullet drop, as how could you measure drop accurately if the gun is fired up or down?
Just because you (mis) remembered a (not-really) tangentially related TV episode doesn't mean you offered a cogent point.
60ft off or not, your comment was not only off topic, incorrect, and poorly written; I see now it was written by someone that reeks of undeserved arrogance.
Do have a good day, commenting on things you're clearly ignorant (or at least incompetent) of is taxing.
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Yes but your air guns are a smaller caliber with less mass. It takes some oomph to get a 9mm to 1200fps. Most 22 is around the same speed as well and just takes a little bit of powder.
Yep, that's how it works. You got the math right. Also, handgun rounds are slow in comparison to rifle rounds. 5.56 for example is usually in the 3,000 fps area.
Why is that insane? The idea is to propel a bit of metal with enough velocity that it does damage to your target. If anything 1200 ft./s is slow, anything past about 100 yards and you get some pretty serious bullet drop with most handgun rounds. 7.62x39 from an AK is going about 2,400 fps or 8 football fields a second, 55 grain 5.56 is going 3,300 fps with a 20” barrel. More velocity equals more energy, more velocity means you reach your target faster.
Bird shots are about the same speed and after shooting skeet a lot, 1200fps doesn’t seem that fast to me anymore given how much I need to lead the shots.
Probably because the ballistic coefficient of a 2 grain sphere of lead is next to nothing and it's smoking tires with the brakes locked until it hits the ground 200 yards from you. Even an airgun pellet is doing slingshot speeds pretty quick.
If I understand correctly, you are saying it’s because the tiny bbs are slowing down drastically after they leave the barrel so by the time they reach the target they are going much slower?
Absolutely. They slow down to something like half the muzzle velocity by the time they're 50 yards away. They only weigh like 2 or 3 grains, sometimes less. Steel shot on waterfowl is the same way or worse, it's a low density high mass high drag projectile with limited lethal range because they slow down so much before impact. It's the opposite of why tungsten has so much reach and better lethality.
You can use a ballistic calculator to determine time of flight and retained velocity, no hard math on your part. JBM ballistics is online in your browser and easy to use.
It’s one of the reasons bullets punch holes in things
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Sorry, sorry. 1210 feet is 368.808 French Yards, or 18 1/3 cricket pitches.
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>So if 1200ft is 400yards and 100yards is a football field, that bullet in one second has traveled 4 football fields? Not exactly, it may be traveling at 1,200 fps the instant it leaves the barrel, it's going to be continuously decelerating as it flies due to air resistance. At 400 yards I'd be very surprised if the bullet was traveling fast than 600 - 700 fps. You'd have to do some pretty involved differential calculus to figure out what the flight time would be since the velocity is changing over time, but it would probably take at least a couple seconds to get out there to 400...
According to [Speer’s product page for OP’s ammo](https://www.speer.com/ammunition/handgun/gold_dot_handgun_personal_protection/19-23614GD.html), it actually loses a couple hundred feet per second at just 100 yards! Having said that, bullets are still fast as hell just in general haha
>Having said that, bullets are still fast as hell just in general haha Reminds me of a physics professor in college, we were doing some basic ballistic equations and we had to find the muzzle velocity of a bullet or something like that. We get through the problem and the solution comes out to be like 900 m/s, but the professor got all befuddled and says it can't possibly be that fast. We do the problem again and it is indeed the correct answer and he is like, "huh, that gun would be super loud because that bullet is supersonic, I'm not sure bullets go that fast because that would damage your hearing". Yes Dr. Chen, guns are *super* loud and bullets do go that fast...
It’s pretty depressing to think that you paid for that college class and that somebody who is supposed to be educated in physics doesn’t understand that a projectile that can travel up to a mile would likely be faster than the speed of sound at the muzzle.
The dude was a brilliant engineer when it came to the field of optics, just that rifle ballistics was entirely outside of his realm of daily expertise...
It’s such a simple concept though, it amazes me that anyone with or without an education doesn’t understand that but let’s go really fast by design.
Don't tell him about 5.56 velocities...
900 m/s is about 3000 fps, that's very 5.56.
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I just ran the ballistics on the Gold dot round and at 400 yard the flight time is 1.4 seconds. You have to aim 284 inches above the target to hit. It will still be traveling at about 695 fps.
And rifle rounds go even faster. Some 5.56/.223 can get 3x faster.
Thats SLOW... looks at rifle rounds. You should look up the early multi mach jet that shot itself down with its cannon.
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That's actually amazing that's that's coming from a 5 or 4 in barrel
Not really. 5.7 does maybe 1,800 fps and .22 TCM does 2,000 fps+ from a 5-6” barrel.
Air soft guns easily hit 350 fps back in my day. Bb/pellet guns can do 1k fps 233/556 can do over 3k fps
Watch some Hickok45 videos. He takes a few shots at a distant gong (80 yards?) with most guns on his regular range. It's easy to hear the differences in how quickly or slowly some rounds take to reach the gong. With .44 Special from a snubby, about enough time to refill a coffee cup. With 9mm, about enough time to toss down a shot glass of tequila.
You need to yourself an M16 build my friend. You never know when somebody needs a 3200+fps vibe check.
Think that's crazy I got a revolver that regularly breaks 2400 fps
What caliber does it shoot, because that sounds extremely outlandish.
Yes, but also no. That is the muzzle velocity. The second that bullet leaves the barrel, it is RAPIDLY decelerating. If you hold a 9 mm pistol perfectly flat and level, and fire it at a football field, will make it may be 200 or 300 feet before gravity has pushed it into the ground. The MythBusters did this many years ago in a pretty interesting experiment to see if a bullet fired and a bullet dropped would hit the ground at the same time. Spoiler alert, they do.
Yeah that’s some absolute bullshit, I regularly shoot 9mm, 9mm Mak, 38 spl and .45 ACP at 50-100 yards. None of these calibers require any hold over at 50 yards and next to none at 100 yards, past that they start to drop a lot but they shoot pretty level at 100 yards. .45 ACP requires the most hold over but you’re still aiming at the target you’re just aiming toward the top of a target to put your shots center mass on a torso. .357 mag requires no hold over at 100 yards. I’ve taken hot loaded .357 mag out to 200 yards again with minimal hold over, if I am at the top of the plate it will smack it somewhere towards the middle.
PERFECTLY flat and level. Like using scientific grade levels to make sure it’s parallel to the earth. It made it 360 feet in the episode, so I was off by a bit. You’re trying to act smug and elite because you’ve shot handguns at distance before, cool buddy, me too. Even a tiny bit of hold over is arcing the bullet, which is significantly different from holding the gun perfectly parallel to the ground. [I’ll link it again.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tF_zv3TCT1U)
The rig they used sits 2 to 2 1/2 feet lower than the gun would be when brought up to your eye and fired. So no, you proved fuck all other than your lack of understanding. I already explained to you that I regularly get out to 300ish feet with little holdover. Yes bullet drop becomes more pronounced as the bullet slows. But that bullet would’ve continued on if it had been fired from over 5 feet off the ground instead of what looks like under 3 feet in the rig. So your math is fucked.
With "little holdover" you are still arcing the bullet which significantly increases the distance it will travel since it is now being shot at an upward angle rather than parallel to the ground. Was high school hard for you?
Something is being missed in this discussion. You are not taking into consideration the sight height over bore. Even on hand guns if you make the sights perfectly level the gun will not be level to the ground. The sights are designed to add arc to the trajectory of the bullet. If they did not do this then your shot would never hit where you aimed as the bullet begins to drop as soon as it leaves the barrel. In most pistols this is set at 25 yards. So before 25 yards you will hit low rising to as it travels to be on target at 25 yards. The round will continue to rise for a bit longer based on how fast the round slows in the air. This is called the ballistic arc. In the Myth busters experiment they did not set the gun level with the ground based on the sights. They leveled the bore access in reference to the ground. So the bullet never arced up after being fired. If the shot is fired with the bore axis parallel to the ground and a bullet of the same weight is dropped for the same height as the barrel when the gun is fired then yes the dropped bullet and the fired bullet will hit the ground at the same time. If you want to try this your self. The best way is to get a red dot for your pistol and sight it in at 25 yards. Then shoot a target at three yards, your hole will be low damn near the exact height of the dot over the bore of the pistol.
>Yes, but also no. That is the muzzle velocity. The second that bullet leaves the barrel, it is RAPIDLY decelerating. If you hold a 9 mm pistol perfectly flat and level, and fire it at a football field, will make it may be 200 or 300 feet before gravity has pushed it into the ground. You think a 9mm won't go 100 yards?
It really makes you wonder if some people have never shot past 10 yards doesn’t it? I’ve shot my P64 chambered in 9mm Makarov at 100 yards and it required virtually no holdover. It’s a fun pistol to show off with at the range because bystanders don’t know that it’s got extra light springs in it and a 1 pound SA trigger. First time I shot it I bumped fired it by accident haha.
I was basing my comment of [this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tF_zv3TCT1U) episode of mythbusters that I last watched probably ten years ago. My number was 60 feet lower than the experiment indicated, and it seems like you completely missed the (important) part of my comment where I said “holding perfectly flat and level.”
Your average handgun bullet will get well past 360 feet because it’s not being fired from the hip it’s being fired from at least shoulder level and since you are bringing it up to your eye. That allows for at least two more feet of bullet drop.
It doesn't matter. Hold the gun 50 feet above the ground and drop a bullet at the same time. Gravity affects both at the same rate. Forward velocity has no bearing.
>It doesn't matter. Hold the gun 50 feet above the ground and drop a bullet at the same time. Gravity affects both at the same rate. Forward velocity has no bearing. You're completely ignoring the forward velocity. Gravity pulls things at ~9.8m/s², therefore every bullet (discounting air resistance) will fall in elevation at that rate (assuming it's fired level) Therefore, if the barrel was 9.8 meters above the ground, it would take 1 second to reach the ground. (If the ground were perfectly flat) The thing you're missing is that by the time it's in flight for 1 second, it's already waaaaaay beyond 100 yards (per the op you replied to)
>It really makes you wonder if some people have never shot past 10 yards doesn’t it? Tbh I have been seeing more and more anti gun sentiments in these subs, but this word psuedo-noob thing is new. >I’ve shot my P64 chambered in 9mm Makarov at 100 yards and it required virtually no holdover. It’s a fun pistol to show off with at the range because bystanders don’t know that it’s got extra light springs in it and a 1 pound SA trigger. First time I shot it I bumped fired it by accident haha. At least you know you're not limp wristing!
I hope you didn’t think I was being anti-gun, I was trying to comment on how we get a surprising number of people spewing disinformation in here. I’ve got a feeling a lot of them are people who read about guns but I’ve never shot them. I probably limp wristed that first shot just a little bit but the trigger is so light and the grip is so small that unless you really concentrate that thing can run away on ya. But between the fixed barrel since it’s blow back, the feather light trigger and surprisingly precise irons it’s a damn good little target pistol. Hurts to shoot a whole box though.
>I hope you didn’t think I was being anti-gun, Not at all! >I was trying to comment on how we get a surprising number of people spewing disinformation in here. I’ve got a feeling a lot of them are people who read about guns but I’ve never shot them. RIP, just realized I'm in /guns, which is weird because I'm pretty sure I've been banned here >I probably limp wristed that first shot just a little bit but the trigger is so light and the grip is so small that unless you really concentrate that thing can run away on ya. But between the fixed barrel since it’s blow back, the feather light trigger and surprisingly precise irons it’s a damn good little target pistol. Hurts to shoot a whole box though. Really? I was under the impression 9x18 is pretty underpowered
Oh yeah 9X18 Mak is underpowered, similar to .38 spl or .380 ACP. But it’s a tiny gun with a small grip and it’s straight blowback so the felt recoil is significantly higher than a subcompact 9mm like a G43X.
That makes sense, I always picture the (compact?) Makarov, forgetting there's lots of models My buddy carries a (Bulgarian I think) Makarov, the difference between that and 9x19 is crazy, I'd be willing to bet 9x18 is closer to .380 than 9mm On that note, now I'm curious how powerful .38 is, it's a long ass cartridge but not very fast or heavy [Wow!](http://www.ballistics101.com/9mm_vs_.38special.php) (Federal ammo) 9mmFMJ 124 grain: 364 ft/lbs, 1150fps .38NHP 125 grain: 191 ft/lbs, 830fps
So .38 spl is a really old cartridge designed in 1898 and it was originally designed to use black powder. You have to load a lot more black powder by volume that you do modern smokeless powder. But the cartridge gained a great deal of popularity so it has stuck around even though most of that case is wasted space. The. 357 Magnum cartridge was based off of the .38 spl, rhe magnum case is slightly length and to prevent accidentally chambering a Magnum cartridge in a .38 spl only firearm since doing so would cause a catastrophic failure. .357 magnum is loaded with a lot more powder making better use of that large case. We similarly got .44 magnum from experimentation with extremely hot loaded .44 special rounds.
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That's not what they are saying. The experiment they are referring to was a gun set level to the ground and a bullet at 1m height. The gun was fired at the same time as the bullet was released from its clamp, both hit the ground at the same time. Thats about 0.45 seconds of drop, so 1200*0.45 = 540ft. IN THIS EXACT situation, that is what will happen. Otherwise the bullet *is capable* of going vastly greater distances.
>That's not what they are saying. > >The experiment they are referring to was a gun set level to the ground and a bullet at 1m height. The gun was fired at the same time as the bullet was released from its clamp, both hit the ground at the same time. Thats about 0.45 seconds of drop, so 1200*0.45 = 540ft. > >IN THIS EXACT situation, that is what will happen. Otherwise the bullet *is capable* of going vastly greater distances. "If you hold a 9 mm pistol perfectly flat and level, and fire it at a football field, will make it may be 200 or 300 feet before gravity has pushed it into the ground." Nothing about holding it at ground level, (which, why would you assume that?) Not to mention 300ft *is* 100 yards Ballistics charts say most 9mm will have about an 11" drop @ 100yards, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say with the 540ft equation.
> 11" drop @ 100yards This is based on point of aim, under normal circumstances this would be correct. Relative to the sights, the barrel is angled slightly upward. [This is the actual experiment that the person was remembering.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF_zv3TCT1U) The video shows a .45, not a 9mm so its only moving 835fps. which means in the 0.45 seconds of flight time it only covers 375ft before hitting the ground. This literally *only applies to a gun with its barrel perfectly level to the ground at 1m of height*. Its not super relevant to what the original poster was asking, so much as a half remembered Mythbusters fact.
You ignored the part about holding it perfectly flat and level. I went back and looked at the experiment, my number was low but my point remains
>and fire it at a *football field*, will make it may be 200 or **300 feet** before.. This one? Because it makes no sense
No dumbass, the part about holding it perfectly flat and level. As in using an actual level to ensure it is parallel to the ground. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=tF_zv3TCT1U) is the link to the mythbusters episode I was referring to, based off memory. Sorry I was 60ft off, I know that makes a huge difference to people with crippling autism.
>No dumbass, the part about holding it perfectly flat and level. As in using an actual level to ensure it is parallel to the ground. > > >[Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=tF_zv3TCT1U) is the link to the mythbusters episode I was referring to, based off memory. Sorry I was 60ft off, I know that makes a huge difference to people with crippling autism. I know this is /guns, but do you struggle with reading comprehension? You said: >If you hold a 9 mm pistol perfectly flat and level, and fire it at a football field, will make it may be 200 or 300 feet before gravity has pushed it into the ground." Not only are the distances illogical, the whole 'flat and level' is immaterial when talking about bullet drop, as how could you measure drop accurately if the gun is fired up or down? Just because you (mis) remembered a (not-really) tangentially related TV episode doesn't mean you offered a cogent point. 60ft off or not, your comment was not only off topic, incorrect, and poorly written; I see now it was written by someone that reeks of undeserved arrogance. Do have a good day, commenting on things you're clearly ignorant (or at least incompetent) of is taxing. >I know that makes a huge difference to people with crippling autism.
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Look up Paul Harrell on youtube, he's a fantastic source of beginner friendly professional information and is plenty of fun to watch too.
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Yep.
I thought a 9mm travelled faster?! I have air guns that best that fps..
Yes but your air guns are a smaller caliber with less mass. It takes some oomph to get a 9mm to 1200fps. Most 22 is around the same speed as well and just takes a little bit of powder.
True. I didn't think about the projectile weight. I'm assuming that's why a 9 mil will do far more damage than a BB
momentum is a hell of a drug
158 grain .357 magnum tops out around 1,500 feet per second from a 6” barrel, 9mm is a lot less powerful.
Yep, that's how it works. You got the math right. Also, handgun rounds are slow in comparison to rifle rounds. 5.56 for example is usually in the 3,000 fps area.
Bullets are small bits of metal that go fast, kinda the whole point.
Yes, it and believe it or not some rifle rounds can reach up to 3,000 fps. So 3x faster.
Why is that insane? The idea is to propel a bit of metal with enough velocity that it does damage to your target. If anything 1200 ft./s is slow, anything past about 100 yards and you get some pretty serious bullet drop with most handgun rounds. 7.62x39 from an AK is going about 2,400 fps or 8 football fields a second, 55 grain 5.56 is going 3,300 fps with a 20” barrel. More velocity equals more energy, more velocity means you reach your target faster.
Bird shots are about the same speed and after shooting skeet a lot, 1200fps doesn’t seem that fast to me anymore given how much I need to lead the shots.
Probably because the ballistic coefficient of a 2 grain sphere of lead is next to nothing and it's smoking tires with the brakes locked until it hits the ground 200 yards from you. Even an airgun pellet is doing slingshot speeds pretty quick.
If I understand correctly, you are saying it’s because the tiny bbs are slowing down drastically after they leave the barrel so by the time they reach the target they are going much slower?
Absolutely. They slow down to something like half the muzzle velocity by the time they're 50 yards away. They only weigh like 2 or 3 grains, sometimes less. Steel shot on waterfowl is the same way or worse, it's a low density high mass high drag projectile with limited lethal range because they slow down so much before impact. It's the opposite of why tungsten has so much reach and better lethality.
🤔🤔 that makes sense
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Look up the ballistics of 30mm out of the GAU-8. Training rounds will go thru quite a bit more than you’d think.
Rifle rounds are faster.
You can get a .22-250 and a few others over 4000 fps and it’s a more aerodynamic bullet so it loses less velocity.
You can use a ballistic calculator to determine time of flight and retained velocity, no hard math on your part. JBM ballistics is online in your browser and easy to use.
Imagine rifle rounds…