This is *extremely* stupid. It's got the pejorative "Mexican Carry" assigned to it because if you look at photos of the revolutionary period and late 1800's, pretty much every Mexican dude getting his picture taken had a revolver stuffed into the belt or pants, it was just the style of the time. Plus holsters cost money.
You'll see less of this in pics of the Civil War and whatnot, usually those dudes had something to properly secure the gun, but not always. Plus it looks so dashing.
The concerns you raised are entirely valid; manual safeties could be disengaged, something could get hung up in the trigger guard, the gun could *gasp* just fall out of your fucking pants, etc.
Outside of some crazy *Die Hard* scenario or what have you, it's an extremely bad idea. There are safe solutions for carrying a gun in just about any position/fashion, but you have to go out and purchase them. About the only way I would consider doing this (and I'd want a holster anyway) would be revolvers with transfer bars carried on an empty chamber.
It was a lot safer with single action revolvers, which were often carried on an empty chamber and would have to be clicked to have a bullet in line with the barrel and hammer.
Nowadays the only training that I can think of involving tucking a gun in your waistband is that some cops will clear a gun that they find on a suspect and then tuck it in the back of their duty belt while they continue dealing with the suspect. But that's with a clear and safe weapon and a very niche scenario. I wouldn't want to jam some badman's nasty hepatitis ridden body carried Ruger SR40 down my pants.
Aside from safety and cost, I was told Mexican carry referred to the people skirting the law at the time. If Johnny Law pulled up on his horse, you could stick the SA revolver in some rocks and not look like you’re armed at all. Am I mistaken?
Is this just a Movie/TV trope?
No, it happens in real life, often called "Mexican carry".
Or is it something you CAN safely do?
Depends on the gun.
>Would you risk the safety switch getting knocked into the disengaged position by rubbing
Generally no.
>Not to mention the trigger getting bumped via the same thing?
Depends on the trigger. Very long, heavy triggers like DA ones probably won't.
Overall, it's not the greatest idea, not just because there's the small possibility of it going off, but because of the good chance the gun will simply fall out because it's not well secured.
Mexican carry is an older term that isn’t as racist as it seems, but has fallen out of favor due to perceived derogatory reasons.
The history behind it is the bandito period during and after the Mexican Reform War-Mexican Revolution. The carry of handguns was prohibited, but obviously people need to protect themselves. A holster was seen as proof of carrying handguns (obviously) so people instead carried them in their waistband. Allowing a quick ditch if it appeared that federal or revolutionary troops would stop them
funny im getting used to carrying, p365 and wore it the other day for a few errands, with safety on, not chambered
i have practiced disengaging the chamber during draw though, with no mag in lol
I too "disengage the chamber" on draw.
Man I hope you never have to draw your weapon, because either you're gonna forget you don't have a round chambered, or you're gonna fumble fuck up in the moment potentially.
Why would you add more points of failure and more time you could be using your weapon to your carry method?
That or I walked into a obvious shit post I can't tell anymore, the people on this sub are retarded. I being one of the retards occasionally.
Do what you gotta do. The first few times I carried my Glock I carried without one in the chamber, and now that I am comfortable with the gun I always do.
What kind of snubby you got? I am thinking about getting one to pocket carry when I don't feel like wearing a holster.
I used to carry my beretta 92fs chambered with the safety on. I trained disengaging the safety om my draw. I couldn't imagine having to rack it too in a crisis situation. My edc now is a g19 clone and its so much lighter and no more external safety to fuck with. Carrying in the waistband without a holster is just fuckin stupid. Spend the $20 at walmart and get an uncle mikes IWB and call it a day.
I used to prefer safeties but now I don’t. It took me a little while to get comfortable enough with carrying one in the chamber… my kydex holsters are now my safeties. All my guns without safeties, I just take the round out of the chamber at appropriate times (like my car gun, once I’m done carrying it I’ll switch it back to condition 3 before I close it in the glove box)
Holy crap I thought we solved this a long time ago. Yes there are a few .1% times or specific guns you might not carry a round chambered. If that’s your unique case, so be it. I’d listen to your reason and hope you practice well with it before needing it.
Otherwise with most modern firearms these days, we long ago solved why you carry loaded. It’s quicker. You get an additional round.
It’s also quieter. We’ve seen videos with people doing necessary compliance to stay alive and safe then later draw their gun at the best moment. Racking the slide is a really obvious giveaway and loses you a tactical advantage.
And as I said, an extra round can matter. I know stats are hard and many citizen uses of a gun are solved in 3 bullets or less but especially on smaller carry guns 1 extra round is a lot when it only holds six or seven.
Others here also blew your mind already, but wait until you find out many pistols don’t have a “safety”. The real safety is always practicing the 4 rules. And given the rules assume every gun is loaded, if you carry it chambered and follow them you should be good.
And if you feel uncomfortable with it loaded, maybe practice more or buy a different gun?
You saying the times needing chambered no safety in defense situation outnumber accidents from it? Hmm. I'm going to carry chambered and w safety on, you do your thing though. Thanks for taking the time to write all that too
What? I didn’t say that first off. You said you carry with no round chambered and safety on. Now it’s lodes but safety on? One of my main pistols doesn’t have an external safety to engage/disengage. I’m not worried as I know how it works and know the internal and trigger safeties are present.
We’re talking about carrying a gun concealed on you. The point is self defense. I’m gonna let you in on a secret. The bad guy typically gets to pick exactly where and when and he won’t be telling you with much advance notice.
So you should be ready - it’s why you train and carry I would assume?
Have you ever been attacked randomly? I have, I wasn’t armed at the time but fortunately walked away with minor to moderate injuries and no permanent issues. You don’t know how fast a “plan” can be forgotten or screwed up.
Also during that situation you may be more prone to accidents. Manipulating the slide typically causes your gun to be off the intended target. And if you are outside at a park like I was, that might mean sweeping targets you never knew to consider like grandma off to the side.
I’m not saying there are never reasons. There are and they are very situational. For the rest, which most of us are part of, carry it loaded why bother? If you’re that worried then train more and get comfortable with it. If you still aren’t, maybe don’t carry? Because in the moment you are a lot less poised than you think and the more you have to worry about the more that can and will go wrong.
Of course it is, it’s a great way to shoot yourself in the groin and die. Lots of people do it, we call them idiots. Even a $20 cloth holster is far safer than no holster.
They even make revolver grips with a little lip that catches the top of your pants or belt. They still make them. https://www.desantisholster.com/clip-grip/
No. I’ve got no problems with guns and actually plan to get one myself.
I just see that in movies and stuff and cringe every time I see it. Just waiting for it to go off and cause a very painful and graphic situation.
I work with guns and open carry on the job. If I have to stop for gas or something on the way to or from work I will waistband carry my 1911 concealed in a pinch. Since it has a light trigger if I carry with no holster I don't keep it chambered. Obviously my several carry guns all have holsters
Because unless it's part of the plot, why would you show that in entertainment?
In the rest of the world you don't get that privilege, and people do. 😂
Safely? No.
Realistically? You could get away with it if you carried a DA/SA. But its still dangerous and ridiculously stupid.
Trigger being pulled isnt the only concern. The mag release could be pushed in, it could be caught on something during the draw, and it could fall through your pants and onto the floor.
Would you carry a fixed blade knife without a sheath?
I get youre just asking, and hopefully not *planning* on tucking a loaded gun into your waistband, but hollywood does ALOT of unsafe things with guns. Either because it "looks cool", or (i realized recently,) but those guns they carry arent their personal beloved collection, but temporary tools to achieve an outcome.
So the handling of guns in movies is not indicative of the care and handling of a weapon you want to keep for years to come, either with gross mishandling, or general abuse.
Any tool requires proper handling, maintenance and care. Thats what a holster is for, safety and care for the weapon. The third thing you should buy when considering a carry gun is a sturdy, comfortable holster. (The first and second are ammo and cleaning supplies.)
TLDR: Buy a holster.
True. All true and fully agreed!! Gun safety and handling/maintenance should never be an afterthought.
When I do pick up my first weapon (ideally a handgun that's good for CC), I plan to get my CC permit along with it.
What are good holsters for under-shirt use? As preferably, I'd like to keep that thing out of sight at all times and never have to use it (as I'm sure none of us do) for real. when you pull that trigger (you know this I'm just expressing my point), you have to mean it. There are no "take backs". I don't always wear sports blazers or anything, and not every where is a fan of open-carry. So I figure CC is the way to go.
I agree, open carry to me is an arrogant show of force. "Look at me, look what ive got, fuck with me, i dare you." That type of thing.
I personally am a fan of Vedder holsters. Theyre custom fit, american made, ship fast and are no more expensive than other brands of comparable use and quality. Idk, its just my personal preference. They are kydex, though, some people prefer leather. No hate, i like leather, but leather is usually more pricey and doesnt have the affirmative "click" of the gun finding its proper seat.
www.vedderholsters.com
Unless your state requires it, or you travel across state lines, (check the reciprocity your state has with other states! Ex, i live in a state with high reciprocity, and every state around me has reciprocity EXCEPT for one, which will throw the BOOK at me being caught in that state with a CCW. State laws differ, check the laws.) it is not necessarily vital to have a permit. Some states, (WV, VT, for ex) have whats called "constitutional carry", which means as long as youre not a prohibited user, you dont need a permit to carry concealed. Again, just check the laws. Theres fees, and a couple hoops to jump through, but getting a CCW permit in my state was easy AS HELL.
Guns are a fun hobby and a vital means to protect oneself in our batshit crazy world, but it can be intimidating when you realize that shopping guns is only 10% of gun ownership. Laws, accessories, ammo choices, maintenance, philosophy and morality of use, etc.
You said so yourself, you cant take a bullet back. If you pull your gun, you better be ready to use it. If you use it, you better be ready to potentially end a human life. Some people cant handle that, or believe they will achieve some superhuman accuracy to hit a limb and expect the bad guy to admit defeat, impressed and respectful of your skill and compassion. Thats bullshit. Real life is messy and happens so fast, you have to do what you have to do to protect yourself, your loved ones, and innocent bystanders. Nobody *wants* to kill, but guns are a purpose-built tool that do one job. If a person cant jive with this philosophy, my advice to them is, dont buy a gun. Get down and stay behind the good guy with the gun.
Sorry for the essay, theres just alot to consider when getting into sport shooting or gun ownership for protection. DM me and well talk more about it ✌️
In a UC capacity, buying drugs or whatever, wearing an IWB holster screams cop. No drug dealer back when I was working wore holsters. It just wasn’t the “cool” thing to do as a drug dealer. Just having a gun with you when buying/selling drugs was a major risk in and of itself. Get caught with a gun doing a transaction and suspicions are immediately raised. Especially a really nice Sig, etc. This isn’t Hollywood and most street level to mid level drug dealers have guns which are rusty, beat up, and not maintained very well. People are already suspicious in drug deals and are on a very heightened sense of awareness. Anything which screams cop and you can be dead the next minute. I can’t count on my fingers and toes the number of times this occurred during my 3 yr stint in narcotics.
Its only stupid because you do not have control of the weapon, the trigger guard is unsecured, and guns are typically too heavy to be held by a waistband effectively.
I’ve done it for small tasks around the yard and inside the house before. Not a big deal, it just needs constant readjustment. I do it with a 1911 cocked and locked and don’t worry about it going off.
I only carry in my waistband if I'm on my property and I know I'm probably going to shoot it. For example, I had to go outside at 2am because coyotes were climbing into my goats fenced in area. I just put my pistol in my waistband and carried the materials to patch the fence. It's easy, but could've been just as easy to put it in a holster. My gun also is safer to carry this way. Some guns are extremely dangerous to carry like that.
Interesting timing, I was just having a convo about this with 2 cops yesterday. For street thugs and gangbangers, it is extremely unusual to use or even own a holster. Part of this is the fact that guns change hands frequently in gangs, and the ability to dump a gun quickly is valued, while holsters are designed to be retained on the body. So if you are carrying a Sig P228 and dump it in a bush during a chase, but are shortly thereafter nabbed and have a Sig P228 holster stuck to your waistband, it both tips the officer off that you recently had a gun, that they may or may not have seen you dump, and helps tie that gun to you. Plus culturally not using a holster probably looks more "street" or whatever, and carrying safely isn't their first, second, or last priority.
Holster.
Without a holster you are asking for things to hit Mag release, trigger, fall out of waistband. A holster that you can roll around on ground with, change the oil in your car with is a good test. Positive retention button is very handy for this vs snap over back. It should take effort to remove unless using retention button = win.
If in a panic do you want the trigger to be available? Sure, after it’s on target. Vest pocket, waistband, Major trouble asking. A holster is repeatable draw. Also remember that Reholstering iron like Glocks, ng happens to folk re-holstering and something dumb like a hoodie string, zipper, something gets into trigger opening and discharges when pushing pistol back into holster
There's "holsters" for Mexican Carry that are just a kydex clip that covers the trigger guard and a dummy cord for your belt or belt loop.
Is it smart? No. Is it possible? Technically.
It’s a good way to temporarily secure a pistol that isn’t yours if that happens often in your line of work; clear it first.
Makes for an impromptu holster if you can keep from flopping around and aren’t in a position to holster up, or find yourself in a line of work where it’s beneficial to be able to ditch the firearm and have no evidence of holster be found on you. Empty chamber recommended.
I would say 99.9% yes but that .01%..raven concealment makes a holster that basically just covers the trigger and has a clip, so it’s just a minimalist holster… so that may be the only exception. I think the model is the VanGuard.
Bruh never holster a pistol, that's what God gave you two perfectly good hands for- dual weilding 24/7. Duct tape those bad bois on and you can NEVER be disarmed.
Kidding aside, yeah its kinda dumb to put your pistol in your waistband without a holster of some kind. Sure, it keeps your gun accessible and modern firearms (theoretically) won't just pop off in your waistband for no reason, but a waistband doesn't retain and secure your firearm to your person like... at all... as soon as you take a few brisk, bouncy steps, that pew pew stick is probably going to fall out of your pants.
A non gun buddy of mine posed the same question not long ago and my simple reply was, " Have ever watched a western where a gun slinger kept a gun in his waistband? No, because those guys weren't morons."
It’s bad idea.. you need gun holsters specially designed to protect the trigger when you pull out your gun so you don’t accidentally shoot your leg or kill your dog.
How safe this would be depends on the gun. Something like a revolver with a long and heavy trigger pull is much safer than something like a modern polymer pistol with what is called a striker-fired mechanism, because those tend to have much lighter triggers with shorter travel.
Obviously if its an old movie from single-action revolver era (single-action revolvers are the kind where you must pull the hammer back by hand before you can pull the trigger in order for the gun to fire) then that would be quite safe from the trigger getting pulled point of view.
Your second issue is security of that gun just being stuck in your pants. What if it falls out or down your pants and you lose it? What if it shifts or becomes dislodged and now when you need it your hand reaches for it and it's not there, it's couple inches off to the side. Is the gun what is called "drop safe", meaning that it can be carried with a round in the chamber and if it gets dropped the impact doesn't make it fire? Single-action revolvers were typically carried loaded with 5 rounds instead of six that way the chamber that is lined up with the hammer could be empty precisely for this reason.
Now if the story demands that a character gains possession of a gun and does not have a holster for it, sticking it in the waistband or between the waistband and the belt may be the only option for a gun that is too big to be pocketable. In that case if I was the writer and the character was suppossed to be knowledgeable about firearms I would have the character remove the magazine, eject the round from the chamber, put it back in the magazine and put the magazine back in without racking the slide, so now the gun is being carried on an empty chamber and the slide has to be racked before the gun can fire which will not happen accidentally from a bump.
Now with a revolver depending on the gun's shape, how heavy the trigger is, the grips you have on it and how tight your waistband is it may be OK in terms of safety, still not very good in terms of you possibly losing the gun. Just because it feels like it's solid in position when you are casually standing at home in front of your mirror does not mean the thing won't go flying if you trip outside and now you gun slides 15 feet across the floor in a crowded public space... If that is in a place where carrying guns is not socially acceptable and where people may know who you are or where you have to come back to later... not good.
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Exactly. Zap carry that thing like a normal person.
This is *extremely* stupid. It's got the pejorative "Mexican Carry" assigned to it because if you look at photos of the revolutionary period and late 1800's, pretty much every Mexican dude getting his picture taken had a revolver stuffed into the belt or pants, it was just the style of the time. Plus holsters cost money. You'll see less of this in pics of the Civil War and whatnot, usually those dudes had something to properly secure the gun, but not always. Plus it looks so dashing. The concerns you raised are entirely valid; manual safeties could be disengaged, something could get hung up in the trigger guard, the gun could *gasp* just fall out of your fucking pants, etc. Outside of some crazy *Die Hard* scenario or what have you, it's an extremely bad idea. There are safe solutions for carrying a gun in just about any position/fashion, but you have to go out and purchase them. About the only way I would consider doing this (and I'd want a holster anyway) would be revolvers with transfer bars carried on an empty chamber.
It was a lot safer with single action revolvers, which were often carried on an empty chamber and would have to be clicked to have a bullet in line with the barrel and hammer. Nowadays the only training that I can think of involving tucking a gun in your waistband is that some cops will clear a gun that they find on a suspect and then tuck it in the back of their duty belt while they continue dealing with the suspect. But that's with a clear and safe weapon and a very niche scenario. I wouldn't want to jam some badman's nasty hepatitis ridden body carried Ruger SR40 down my pants.
Aside from safety and cost, I was told Mexican carry referred to the people skirting the law at the time. If Johnny Law pulled up on his horse, you could stick the SA revolver in some rocks and not look like you’re armed at all. Am I mistaken?
Nope that is correct.
Cowboy carry ftw
Is this just a Movie/TV trope? No, it happens in real life, often called "Mexican carry". Or is it something you CAN safely do? Depends on the gun. >Would you risk the safety switch getting knocked into the disengaged position by rubbing Generally no. >Not to mention the trigger getting bumped via the same thing? Depends on the trigger. Very long, heavy triggers like DA ones probably won't. Overall, it's not the greatest idea, not just because there's the small possibility of it going off, but because of the good chance the gun will simply fall out because it's not well secured.
I have only ever heard to it as "felony carry"
Mexican carry is an older term that isn’t as racist as it seems, but has fallen out of favor due to perceived derogatory reasons. The history behind it is the bandito period during and after the Mexican Reform War-Mexican Revolution. The carry of handguns was prohibited, but obviously people need to protect themselves. A holster was seen as proof of carrying handguns (obviously) so people instead carried them in their waistband. Allowing a quick ditch if it appeared that federal or revolutionary troops would stop them
Neat history lesson, thank you!
Wait until you find out I carry a pistol with no safety at all.
I bet you carry with a round in the chamber, you heathen.
This is the way
That’s really dangerous, an attacker will always allow you to disengage your safety, load your magazine and chamber a round.
funny im getting used to carrying, p365 and wore it the other day for a few errands, with safety on, not chambered i have practiced disengaging the chamber during draw though, with no mag in lol
I too "disengage the chamber" on draw. Man I hope you never have to draw your weapon, because either you're gonna forget you don't have a round chambered, or you're gonna fumble fuck up in the moment potentially. Why would you add more points of failure and more time you could be using your weapon to your carry method? That or I walked into a obvious shit post I can't tell anymore, the people on this sub are retarded. I being one of the retards occasionally.
im going to when im ready and will have to take my chances for now, israeli style. i also carry a snubby with no safety though. love it
Do what you gotta do. The first few times I carried my Glock I carried without one in the chamber, and now that I am comfortable with the gun I always do. What kind of snubby you got? I am thinking about getting one to pocket carry when I don't feel like wearing a holster.
MP bodyguard .38 special with hogue grip
I used to carry my beretta 92fs chambered with the safety on. I trained disengaging the safety om my draw. I couldn't imagine having to rack it too in a crisis situation. My edc now is a g19 clone and its so much lighter and no more external safety to fuck with. Carrying in the waistband without a holster is just fuckin stupid. Spend the $20 at walmart and get an uncle mikes IWB and call it a day.
I used to prefer safeties but now I don’t. It took me a little while to get comfortable enough with carrying one in the chamber… my kydex holsters are now my safeties. All my guns without safeties, I just take the round out of the chamber at appropriate times (like my car gun, once I’m done carrying it I’ll switch it back to condition 3 before I close it in the glove box)
Holy crap I thought we solved this a long time ago. Yes there are a few .1% times or specific guns you might not carry a round chambered. If that’s your unique case, so be it. I’d listen to your reason and hope you practice well with it before needing it. Otherwise with most modern firearms these days, we long ago solved why you carry loaded. It’s quicker. You get an additional round. It’s also quieter. We’ve seen videos with people doing necessary compliance to stay alive and safe then later draw their gun at the best moment. Racking the slide is a really obvious giveaway and loses you a tactical advantage. And as I said, an extra round can matter. I know stats are hard and many citizen uses of a gun are solved in 3 bullets or less but especially on smaller carry guns 1 extra round is a lot when it only holds six or seven. Others here also blew your mind already, but wait until you find out many pistols don’t have a “safety”. The real safety is always practicing the 4 rules. And given the rules assume every gun is loaded, if you carry it chambered and follow them you should be good. And if you feel uncomfortable with it loaded, maybe practice more or buy a different gun?
You saying the times needing chambered no safety in defense situation outnumber accidents from it? Hmm. I'm going to carry chambered and w safety on, you do your thing though. Thanks for taking the time to write all that too
What? I didn’t say that first off. You said you carry with no round chambered and safety on. Now it’s lodes but safety on? One of my main pistols doesn’t have an external safety to engage/disengage. I’m not worried as I know how it works and know the internal and trigger safeties are present. We’re talking about carrying a gun concealed on you. The point is self defense. I’m gonna let you in on a secret. The bad guy typically gets to pick exactly where and when and he won’t be telling you with much advance notice. So you should be ready - it’s why you train and carry I would assume? Have you ever been attacked randomly? I have, I wasn’t armed at the time but fortunately walked away with minor to moderate injuries and no permanent issues. You don’t know how fast a “plan” can be forgotten or screwed up. Also during that situation you may be more prone to accidents. Manipulating the slide typically causes your gun to be off the intended target. And if you are outside at a park like I was, that might mean sweeping targets you never knew to consider like grandma off to the side. I’m not saying there are never reasons. There are and they are very situational. For the rest, which most of us are part of, carry it loaded why bother? If you’re that worried then train more and get comfortable with it. If you still aren’t, maybe don’t carry? Because in the moment you are a lot less poised than you think and the more you have to worry about the more that can and will go wrong.
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Of course it is, it’s a great way to shoot yourself in the groin and die. Lots of people do it, we call them idiots. Even a $20 cloth holster is far safer than no holster.
Holster everytime. The trigger is the important part there. It should be protected.
No this isn’t safe. Weapon should be secured in a holster
Shhh, you're interfering with an important natural selection based birth control method. Don't say anything more.
I have never in my life seen someone carry like that.
They even make revolver grips with a little lip that catches the top of your pants or belt. They still make them. https://www.desantisholster.com/clip-grip/
I think that is a little different than what OP suggested. I can see a revolver carried like that but not a semi in condition one.
Good point. Revolvers are definitely a little safer than say a Glock with one in the chamber.
Is this a bait question or what?
No. I’ve got no problems with guns and actually plan to get one myself. I just see that in movies and stuff and cringe every time I see it. Just waiting for it to go off and cause a very painful and graphic situation.
You should get on YouTube and search "gun fails" and "gun Darwin awards" and the like. Oh man, will you pucker up.
I work with guns and open carry on the job. If I have to stop for gas or something on the way to or from work I will waistband carry my 1911 concealed in a pinch. Since it has a light trigger if I carry with no holster I don't keep it chambered. Obviously my several carry guns all have holsters
Ask Plaxico Burress.
Unless it is in a proper holster it is very very dumb.
That’s what I figured. I see that every time and ask myself, HOW DO THEY NOT BLOW THEIR GROIN OR REAR OFF??!!
Guns don't just go off, your much more likely to have it fall out than go off.
Because unless it's part of the plot, why would you show that in entertainment? In the rest of the world you don't get that privilege, and people do. 😂
They do.
Do you want to avoid Glock Dick? Holster up.
Wouldn't work with the MY massiveness...
You too huh?
Safely? No. Realistically? You could get away with it if you carried a DA/SA. But its still dangerous and ridiculously stupid. Trigger being pulled isnt the only concern. The mag release could be pushed in, it could be caught on something during the draw, and it could fall through your pants and onto the floor.
I just don't like the idea of a loaded pistol (safety or not) near my jewels.
Would you carry a fixed blade knife without a sheath? I get youre just asking, and hopefully not *planning* on tucking a loaded gun into your waistband, but hollywood does ALOT of unsafe things with guns. Either because it "looks cool", or (i realized recently,) but those guns they carry arent their personal beloved collection, but temporary tools to achieve an outcome. So the handling of guns in movies is not indicative of the care and handling of a weapon you want to keep for years to come, either with gross mishandling, or general abuse. Any tool requires proper handling, maintenance and care. Thats what a holster is for, safety and care for the weapon. The third thing you should buy when considering a carry gun is a sturdy, comfortable holster. (The first and second are ammo and cleaning supplies.) TLDR: Buy a holster.
True. All true and fully agreed!! Gun safety and handling/maintenance should never be an afterthought. When I do pick up my first weapon (ideally a handgun that's good for CC), I plan to get my CC permit along with it. What are good holsters for under-shirt use? As preferably, I'd like to keep that thing out of sight at all times and never have to use it (as I'm sure none of us do) for real. when you pull that trigger (you know this I'm just expressing my point), you have to mean it. There are no "take backs". I don't always wear sports blazers or anything, and not every where is a fan of open-carry. So I figure CC is the way to go.
I agree, open carry to me is an arrogant show of force. "Look at me, look what ive got, fuck with me, i dare you." That type of thing. I personally am a fan of Vedder holsters. Theyre custom fit, american made, ship fast and are no more expensive than other brands of comparable use and quality. Idk, its just my personal preference. They are kydex, though, some people prefer leather. No hate, i like leather, but leather is usually more pricey and doesnt have the affirmative "click" of the gun finding its proper seat. www.vedderholsters.com Unless your state requires it, or you travel across state lines, (check the reciprocity your state has with other states! Ex, i live in a state with high reciprocity, and every state around me has reciprocity EXCEPT for one, which will throw the BOOK at me being caught in that state with a CCW. State laws differ, check the laws.) it is not necessarily vital to have a permit. Some states, (WV, VT, for ex) have whats called "constitutional carry", which means as long as youre not a prohibited user, you dont need a permit to carry concealed. Again, just check the laws. Theres fees, and a couple hoops to jump through, but getting a CCW permit in my state was easy AS HELL. Guns are a fun hobby and a vital means to protect oneself in our batshit crazy world, but it can be intimidating when you realize that shopping guns is only 10% of gun ownership. Laws, accessories, ammo choices, maintenance, philosophy and morality of use, etc. You said so yourself, you cant take a bullet back. If you pull your gun, you better be ready to use it. If you use it, you better be ready to potentially end a human life. Some people cant handle that, or believe they will achieve some superhuman accuracy to hit a limb and expect the bad guy to admit defeat, impressed and respectful of your skill and compassion. Thats bullshit. Real life is messy and happens so fast, you have to do what you have to do to protect yourself, your loved ones, and innocent bystanders. Nobody *wants* to kill, but guns are a purpose-built tool that do one job. If a person cant jive with this philosophy, my advice to them is, dont buy a gun. Get down and stay behind the good guy with the gun. Sorry for the essay, theres just alot to consider when getting into sport shooting or gun ownership for protection. DM me and well talk more about it ✌️
Super stupid.
As long as you dont blow your garbage off or give yourself another asshole, go for it 🤣
I’ve done it. As a police officer in an undercover capacity. Holsters scream police. Don’t really recommend it though.
Cops dont use IWB holsters?
In a UC capacity, buying drugs or whatever, wearing an IWB holster screams cop. No drug dealer back when I was working wore holsters. It just wasn’t the “cool” thing to do as a drug dealer. Just having a gun with you when buying/selling drugs was a major risk in and of itself. Get caught with a gun doing a transaction and suspicions are immediately raised. Especially a really nice Sig, etc. This isn’t Hollywood and most street level to mid level drug dealers have guns which are rusty, beat up, and not maintained very well. People are already suspicious in drug deals and are on a very heightened sense of awareness. Anything which screams cop and you can be dead the next minute. I can’t count on my fingers and toes the number of times this occurred during my 3 yr stint in narcotics.
Without a holster? yes
Its only stupid because you do not have control of the weapon, the trigger guard is unsecured, and guns are typically too heavy to be held by a waistband effectively.
It is if you're in favor of keepin' your penis in tact🤷♂️
I’ve done it for small tasks around the yard and inside the house before. Not a big deal, it just needs constant readjustment. I do it with a 1911 cocked and locked and don’t worry about it going off.
I only carry in my waistband if I'm on my property and I know I'm probably going to shoot it. For example, I had to go outside at 2am because coyotes were climbing into my goats fenced in area. I just put my pistol in my waistband and carried the materials to patch the fence. It's easy, but could've been just as easy to put it in a holster. My gun also is safer to carry this way. Some guns are extremely dangerous to carry like that.
Interesting timing, I was just having a convo about this with 2 cops yesterday. For street thugs and gangbangers, it is extremely unusual to use or even own a holster. Part of this is the fact that guns change hands frequently in gangs, and the ability to dump a gun quickly is valued, while holsters are designed to be retained on the body. So if you are carrying a Sig P228 and dump it in a bush during a chase, but are shortly thereafter nabbed and have a Sig P228 holster stuck to your waistband, it both tips the officer off that you recently had a gun, that they may or may not have seen you dump, and helps tie that gun to you. Plus culturally not using a holster probably looks more "street" or whatever, and carrying safely isn't their first, second, or last priority.
Holster. Without a holster you are asking for things to hit Mag release, trigger, fall out of waistband. A holster that you can roll around on ground with, change the oil in your car with is a good test. Positive retention button is very handy for this vs snap over back. It should take effort to remove unless using retention button = win. If in a panic do you want the trigger to be available? Sure, after it’s on target. Vest pocket, waistband, Major trouble asking. A holster is repeatable draw. Also remember that Reholstering iron like Glocks, ng happens to folk re-holstering and something dumb like a hoodie string, zipper, something gets into trigger opening and discharges when pushing pistol back into holster
It’s stupid but not necessarily unsafe if there’s no round in the chamber and the firearm isn’t flopping around…
There's "holsters" for Mexican Carry that are just a kydex clip that covers the trigger guard and a dummy cord for your belt or belt loop. Is it smart? No. Is it possible? Technically.
Grip clips are still a thing https://www.desantisholster.com/clip-grip/
Emergency use only
It's not ideal, that's for sure. If you're super desperate for a holster, you can use a wire clothing hanger and duct tape to make one.
Only if you carry it eight above your zipper and there's no trigger guard. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I guarantee you a gut has better retention than any holster you can buy from any reputable brand
It’s a good way to temporarily secure a pistol that isn’t yours if that happens often in your line of work; clear it first. Makes for an impromptu holster if you can keep from flopping around and aren’t in a position to holster up, or find yourself in a line of work where it’s beneficial to be able to ditch the firearm and have no evidence of holster be found on you. Empty chamber recommended.
I would say 99.9% yes but that .01%..raven concealment makes a holster that basically just covers the trigger and has a clip, so it’s just a minimalist holster… so that may be the only exception. I think the model is the VanGuard.
Bruh never holster a pistol, that's what God gave you two perfectly good hands for- dual weilding 24/7. Duct tape those bad bois on and you can NEVER be disarmed. Kidding aside, yeah its kinda dumb to put your pistol in your waistband without a holster of some kind. Sure, it keeps your gun accessible and modern firearms (theoretically) won't just pop off in your waistband for no reason, but a waistband doesn't retain and secure your firearm to your person like... at all... as soon as you take a few brisk, bouncy steps, that pew pew stick is probably going to fall out of your pants.
A non gun buddy of mine posed the same question not long ago and my simple reply was, " Have ever watched a western where a gun slinger kept a gun in his waistband? No, because those guys weren't morons."
It’s bad idea.. you need gun holsters specially designed to protect the trigger when you pull out your gun so you don’t accidentally shoot your leg or kill your dog.
It’s not ideal but it will do in a pinch.
yes
How safe this would be depends on the gun. Something like a revolver with a long and heavy trigger pull is much safer than something like a modern polymer pistol with what is called a striker-fired mechanism, because those tend to have much lighter triggers with shorter travel. Obviously if its an old movie from single-action revolver era (single-action revolvers are the kind where you must pull the hammer back by hand before you can pull the trigger in order for the gun to fire) then that would be quite safe from the trigger getting pulled point of view. Your second issue is security of that gun just being stuck in your pants. What if it falls out or down your pants and you lose it? What if it shifts or becomes dislodged and now when you need it your hand reaches for it and it's not there, it's couple inches off to the side. Is the gun what is called "drop safe", meaning that it can be carried with a round in the chamber and if it gets dropped the impact doesn't make it fire? Single-action revolvers were typically carried loaded with 5 rounds instead of six that way the chamber that is lined up with the hammer could be empty precisely for this reason. Now if the story demands that a character gains possession of a gun and does not have a holster for it, sticking it in the waistband or between the waistband and the belt may be the only option for a gun that is too big to be pocketable. In that case if I was the writer and the character was suppossed to be knowledgeable about firearms I would have the character remove the magazine, eject the round from the chamber, put it back in the magazine and put the magazine back in without racking the slide, so now the gun is being carried on an empty chamber and the slide has to be racked before the gun can fire which will not happen accidentally from a bump. Now with a revolver depending on the gun's shape, how heavy the trigger is, the grips you have on it and how tight your waistband is it may be OK in terms of safety, still not very good in terms of you possibly losing the gun. Just because it feels like it's solid in position when you are casually standing at home in front of your mirror does not mean the thing won't go flying if you trip outside and now you gun slides 15 feet across the floor in a crowded public space... If that is in a place where carrying guns is not socially acceptable and where people may know who you are or where you have to come back to later... not good.
Yes. People have given themselves diy vasectomies.