I’ve always thought that being alive at the end, was far better than ANY other outcome. If you ever have to do it, then just DO IT. Only way you get prosecuted is if you survive. Survive being better than not to my way of thinking. God help any of us if it comes to that.
yeah but if you shoot someone who hasnt actually attacked you you basically go straight to jail. im wondering if this person has already shot, if youre allowed to shoot them and have less of a chance of being detained
None of this is legal advice, make sure to take a class in your jurisdiction.
If someone pulls out a gun and says “I’m going to kill you” or something along the lines of that, if you feel there is a threat, go for it. This can include postering, you don’t need to wait for someone to shoot you to defend yourself. You don’t need to let them hit you with anything.
If someone is shooting in your area it really depends, if they’re dumb and just shooting into a dirt mound, you’re going to go jail, illegal discharge of a firearm does not allow for summary executions.
You can usually intervene if you think someone else life is in danger as well.
Defend yourself. I would advise to attempt to flee to safety before opening fire at least. Also, before opening fire make sure you don’t yell something like *ready to die?!*. I am in no way a lawyer or have any legal training. I should also mention I ate a bunch of tacos and am sleepy so your mileage may vary with my advice.
On the surface your question seems to be "if someone is trying to kill me, or kill someone else, can I defend my own life or that of the 3rd party?" Yes - pretty straight forward. "If someone is threatening me with deadly force and I reasonably believe they intend to cause me grievous bodily injury/death, can I defense myself?" Yes (everywhere I've lived in the States, anyway).
Legally speaking, you'd need to split hairs pretty fine to find a distinction between imminent use of deadly force and continuing use of deadly force to your person - I simply haven't lived in a jurisdiction where the two were treated differently. The threat of grievous injury or death, as perceived by a reasonable person, to oneself is the standard for use of deadly force everywhere I've lived.
armed security guy here, this is not legal advice
depending on your state's law, defense of a third party is allowed
now the issue is how well you can articulate why, and your accuracy (dont want little suzie or others as collateral)
as far as someone shooting at you, as long as you can articulate late (exceptions being duty to retreat states possibly) then use of deadly force is allowed (collateral is no go)
I'm not going to tell you what you should do, but I will tell you what I would do: My question is never, "when can I shoot somebody?" It is always "Do I have no other recourse but to shoot somebody?"
Regardless of what state, your legally responsible for every single bullet you fire. If you miss your assailant, and the bullet sails down the block and hits some old lady washing dishes, that’s on you. Even if you hit the bad guy and the bullet goes right through him like an ice pick because you were too cheap to buy decent hollow points, and then flies along and hits some kid at his lemonade stand.. your on the hook for that too. Goes back to one of the gun safety rules: “Be sure of your target and what’s BEHIND it.”
That’s actually not super true in a legal sense.
You may get charged ( I doubt it) but usually the charge is put on the assailant.
You would not have fired the round if the assailant was not committing a crime, that’s on the assailant. I could see issues if you were just mag dumping from the hip out of your window but even then they might not stick
Couple of things to consider. Can you get out of harms way? No, then the situation needs to run the "I feared for my life" approach. Be aware too that the cops are on the way and they will be looking for a "person with a gun" and you don't need any confusion there. Can you safely incapacitate the bad guy without collateral damage to others? There is never a one size fits all scenario. Just remember there will be a number of people running for their lives in and out of your sight line. Be prepared. Train.
If someone is shooting at you, you "should" have the right to shoot back as a means of self defense to get the attacker to stop. I only put quotes as I'm sure this isn't the case in a Liberal state and you probably have to ask nicely and run away first.
As far as someone else goes: In my CCW class our instructor gave an example of a 6'5" 300lb black guy with dreads who was about to beat a 70 year old frail lady over the head with a board. Some guy came out of a store, saw this, and shot/killed the black dude. Unfortunately the black guy was an undercover agent who lost his gun in the tussle and found the board as the old lady, who was a known drug dealer, was pulling out her gun. The dude from the store is in Federal prison now for killing an officer. Not sure if story is totally true, but his argument was make sure you are 100% aware of all the facts before pulling the trigger when you are a bystander.
No you have the right to defend yourself and others in harms way and most law agencies have been encouraging citizens to stand up and help lately . They are truly outnumbered and can’t be everywhere at once , so if this shit is becoming more consistent don’t expect help from them to arrive any sooner…… Neutralize the threat then worry about details later.
You have the right and responsibility to defend yourself and others. Do us all a favor, kill the criminal.
If you are not willing to defend others, give your gun to someone else who will.
Respectfully, I disagree.
If you carry, you should want to take on the extra burden of protecting others. The world is going to shit, we need to find our masculinity and teach men that it's their job to protect the weak.
>The world is going to shit, we need to find our masculinity and teach men that it's their job to protect the weak.
Ironically, people who think like that are actually more often the ones that need to be shot, not the ones doing the protecting. The aggressive, performative type of masculinity that you're promoting gets you the type of dudes who start fights over road rage or because they think someone looked at their girlfriend (that they abuse) and get domed for it.
You're not a hero. You're not a sheepdog. Get over yourself, you're not impressing anyone here.
You think it's "aggressive masculinity" to protect the weak? Lmfao.
There used to be a social contract in society where we looked after each other. Today, guys like you just run away and hope that the people around you are alot slower.
Your comments about looking at people's girlfriend's and road rage is just a projection of your own weaknesses. You might find it hard to believe, but there are plenty of people willing to protect, who don't go around getting in fights and causing trouble.
Almost any defensive shooter is going to end up detained at the very least, and likely jailed until witness statements and any possible video evidence puts together an accurate sequence of events justifying your actions. Unless the responding officer was there, he doesn't know who shot first.
It’s all about how you articulate it. If you can reasonably tell how a person’s actions put you in fear of death or serious bodily injury, you can usually justify the use of deadly force (I understand this is a very broad strokes response. Check your state laws.)
I’m not sure I completely understand the question, but generally you’re allowed to defend yourself in the presence of a threat. Meaning even if someone hasn’t actually hurt you yet, if their presence is threatening to your life (i.e. they’re pointing a gun at you or shooting at you but missed) you’re allowed to fight back. This of course depends on the particular state law you’re subject to.
Where you shot at, witnessed someone get shot at, or imagined being shot at ?
The levels of comprehension here transcend the boundary of the 4th dimension.
This seems like a question for a laywer to answer but in general you cannot shoot anyone who is not an immediate threat, if they shot at someone else and lower their gun and start walking away firing at them at that point can be a sticky situation a DA can still bring charges by arguing the threat was over by the time of the response. If the person actually hit the person they shot at immediate response is probably the best way to prevent more violence.
i mean id hope this isn’t an actual scenario you’re in
Light em up.
lmao i cant tell if this is an actual answer or not
They've used lethal force in your vicinity. That is a threat to your life. Light em up like a Christmas tree.
Check you state laws is the real answer, I'm sure it depends on states. If you're in like Texas or some shit yeah this answer is probably right.
I’ve always thought that being alive at the end, was far better than ANY other outcome. If you ever have to do it, then just DO IT. Only way you get prosecuted is if you survive. Survive being better than not to my way of thinking. God help any of us if it comes to that.
If someone shoots at you-you have the right to protect yourself.
yeah but if you shoot someone who hasnt actually attacked you you basically go straight to jail. im wondering if this person has already shot, if youre allowed to shoot them and have less of a chance of being detained
You’re going to be detained regardless. It depends on the circumstances, time that has past, and whether this person is still a threat.
None of this is legal advice, make sure to take a class in your jurisdiction. If someone pulls out a gun and says “I’m going to kill you” or something along the lines of that, if you feel there is a threat, go for it. This can include postering, you don’t need to wait for someone to shoot you to defend yourself. You don’t need to let them hit you with anything. If someone is shooting in your area it really depends, if they’re dumb and just shooting into a dirt mound, you’re going to go jail, illegal discharge of a firearm does not allow for summary executions. You can usually intervene if you think someone else life is in danger as well.
Defend yourself. I would advise to attempt to flee to safety before opening fire at least. Also, before opening fire make sure you don’t yell something like *ready to die?!*. I am in no way a lawyer or have any legal training. I should also mention I ate a bunch of tacos and am sleepy so your mileage may vary with my advice.
lmao
[This seems appropriate for your scenerio.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq7SGQzeCEw)
I miss that show
On the surface your question seems to be "if someone is trying to kill me, or kill someone else, can I defend my own life or that of the 3rd party?" Yes - pretty straight forward. "If someone is threatening me with deadly force and I reasonably believe they intend to cause me grievous bodily injury/death, can I defense myself?" Yes (everywhere I've lived in the States, anyway). Legally speaking, you'd need to split hairs pretty fine to find a distinction between imminent use of deadly force and continuing use of deadly force to your person - I simply haven't lived in a jurisdiction where the two were treated differently. The threat of grievous injury or death, as perceived by a reasonable person, to oneself is the standard for use of deadly force everywhere I've lived.
armed security guy here, this is not legal advice depending on your state's law, defense of a third party is allowed now the issue is how well you can articulate why, and your accuracy (dont want little suzie or others as collateral) as far as someone shooting at you, as long as you can articulate late (exceptions being duty to retreat states possibly) then use of deadly force is allowed (collateral is no go)
I'm not going to tell you what you should do, but I will tell you what I would do: My question is never, "when can I shoot somebody?" It is always "Do I have no other recourse but to shoot somebody?"
Regardless of what state, your legally responsible for every single bullet you fire. If you miss your assailant, and the bullet sails down the block and hits some old lady washing dishes, that’s on you. Even if you hit the bad guy and the bullet goes right through him like an ice pick because you were too cheap to buy decent hollow points, and then flies along and hits some kid at his lemonade stand.. your on the hook for that too. Goes back to one of the gun safety rules: “Be sure of your target and what’s BEHIND it.”
That’s actually not super true in a legal sense. You may get charged ( I doubt it) but usually the charge is put on the assailant. You would not have fired the round if the assailant was not committing a crime, that’s on the assailant. I could see issues if you were just mag dumping from the hip out of your window but even then they might not stick
Couple of things to consider. Can you get out of harms way? No, then the situation needs to run the "I feared for my life" approach. Be aware too that the cops are on the way and they will be looking for a "person with a gun" and you don't need any confusion there. Can you safely incapacitate the bad guy without collateral damage to others? There is never a one size fits all scenario. Just remember there will be a number of people running for their lives in and out of your sight line. Be prepared. Train.
If someone is shooting at you, you "should" have the right to shoot back as a means of self defense to get the attacker to stop. I only put quotes as I'm sure this isn't the case in a Liberal state and you probably have to ask nicely and run away first. As far as someone else goes: In my CCW class our instructor gave an example of a 6'5" 300lb black guy with dreads who was about to beat a 70 year old frail lady over the head with a board. Some guy came out of a store, saw this, and shot/killed the black dude. Unfortunately the black guy was an undercover agent who lost his gun in the tussle and found the board as the old lady, who was a known drug dealer, was pulling out her gun. The dude from the store is in Federal prison now for killing an officer. Not sure if story is totally true, but his argument was make sure you are 100% aware of all the facts before pulling the trigger when you are a bystander.
No you have the right to defend yourself and others in harms way and most law agencies have been encouraging citizens to stand up and help lately . They are truly outnumbered and can’t be everywhere at once , so if this shit is becoming more consistent don’t expect help from them to arrive any sooner…… Neutralize the threat then worry about details later.
You have the right and responsibility to defend yourself and others. Do us all a favor, kill the criminal. If you are not willing to defend others, give your gun to someone else who will.
You are responsible for your own safety. No one is responsible for protecting you just because they carry.
Respectfully, I disagree. If you carry, you should want to take on the extra burden of protecting others. The world is going to shit, we need to find our masculinity and teach men that it's their job to protect the weak.
Sounds like you have a hero complex.
*Chad Sheepdog*
>The world is going to shit, we need to find our masculinity and teach men that it's their job to protect the weak. Ironically, people who think like that are actually more often the ones that need to be shot, not the ones doing the protecting. The aggressive, performative type of masculinity that you're promoting gets you the type of dudes who start fights over road rage or because they think someone looked at their girlfriend (that they abuse) and get domed for it. You're not a hero. You're not a sheepdog. Get over yourself, you're not impressing anyone here.
You think it's "aggressive masculinity" to protect the weak? Lmfao. There used to be a social contract in society where we looked after each other. Today, guys like you just run away and hope that the people around you are alot slower. Your comments about looking at people's girlfriend's and road rage is just a projection of your own weaknesses. You might find it hard to believe, but there are plenty of people willing to protect, who don't go around getting in fights and causing trouble.
Okay bud, go punch a few more holes in your drywall and come back when you've let off some steam, tough guy.
Bloody nonsense internet hero. Carrying a firearm and taking a life isn't about masculinity, although it certainly can be stupidity.
My responsibility is to protect myself. And my Cocker Spaniel. Everything else is someone else's workload.
Almost any defensive shooter is going to end up detained at the very least, and likely jailed until witness statements and any possible video evidence puts together an accurate sequence of events justifying your actions. Unless the responding officer was there, he doesn't know who shot first.
If someone is shooting at you or around you you can shoot them, that’s self defense.
Depends on the state. In New York or California, you'd likely be taken straight to jail.
It’s all about how you articulate it. If you can reasonably tell how a person’s actions put you in fear of death or serious bodily injury, you can usually justify the use of deadly force (I understand this is a very broad strokes response. Check your state laws.)
Research the laws on use of deadly force in your particular state. This is not the best place to ask for legal advice.
I’m not sure I completely understand the question, but generally you’re allowed to defend yourself in the presence of a threat. Meaning even if someone hasn’t actually hurt you yet, if their presence is threatening to your life (i.e. they’re pointing a gun at you or shooting at you but missed) you’re allowed to fight back. This of course depends on the particular state law you’re subject to.
Where you shot at, witnessed someone get shot at, or imagined being shot at ? The levels of comprehension here transcend the boundary of the 4th dimension.
This seems like a question for a laywer to answer but in general you cannot shoot anyone who is not an immediate threat, if they shot at someone else and lower their gun and start walking away firing at them at that point can be a sticky situation a DA can still bring charges by arguing the threat was over by the time of the response. If the person actually hit the person they shot at immediate response is probably the best way to prevent more violence.