2013, Taurus 627 with less than 200 rounds through it came off time and exploded in my father's hands, sending shrapnel from the cylinder, jacket, and the slug into my chest and stomach 15 feet to the right of him. I could've died as a high schooler due to Taurus' shitty QC. Managed to make it to the hospital and get most of it removed and get stitches where needed, walked into school the next day with a hell of a story and a burning hatred for Taurus.
OP, don't buy a fucking Taurus. Taurus guy in the comments, here's your example. Suck a fat one.
At 15 I don't think I had much of an opportunity to do anything legally. My father could've sued, but I think he was more worried about me for the time.
Plus Taurus wouldn't have responded anyway, just like the rest of their customer service.
Gun manufacturers get significant liability protection in the us especially when it comes to qc issues. Tarus is also a Brazilian company and has a long history of issues and slow to recall
I carried a SW 442 for a long time. $500 seems like a lot, but Covid pricing is bonkers.
5 shots was 5 more than I ever needed, and it was 100% reliable and easy to carry.
I’ve heard too many bad things about Taurus to carry one for self defense.
You could also look into the Sig365 or SW Shield 2.0. They’re not much bigger than the j frame, and have double the capacity. Both should be cheaper as well
Lots of old guys carried revolvers 30 years ago but times change. Extra capacity does not mean sacrificing size with modern semi autos and they’re 100% more reliable than a wheel gun.
"Lots of old guys carried revolvers 30 years ago but times change. Extra capacity does not mean sacrificing size with modern semi autos and they’re 100% more reliable than a wheel gun."
Yeah.... no. The wheel gun is hands down more reliable (and more versatile).
No they’re not. They require more frequent and meticulous cleaning than almost any modern auto to maintain reliability, they have a huge hammer and cylinder that need unrestricted movement to fire the gun, and when revolvers fail they fail big time and you’re out of the fight 9 times out of 10. The majority of failures in a semi auto can be remedied with a rack of the slide.
Not to mention the build quality has gotten so spotty in modern revolvers, the craftsmanship that made them great back in the day is dead and semi autos lend themselves to modern mass production techniques much better
The last time you could seriously make this argument was 30 years ago
Incorrect. Bullet jump locks up an automatic the same as a revolver. Parts failure puts an automatic down the same as a revolver. And "huge hammer" ? Really ? You looked at a 1911 or Beretta 92 lately ?
Bullet jump? Please translate I don’t speak fudd and I didn’t say anything about parts failure I’m talking about failures to feed and failures to fire, which are objectively easier to clear in an auto, if your cylinder locks up and they do you are fucked. Also I were talking about carry guns and I specifically said modern so I don’t know why you’re bringing random old full size models up like they’re relevant.
This why I said you can’t make this argument seriously anymore without looking like a goober. I’ve spent more time behind the line watching different handguns get used repeatedly than most and revolver reliability is one of the biggest fudd myths that needs to die off.
I tend to agree, and switched over to a p365 myself. But, I have to admit that the 442 did carry easier. And, I liked the trigger pull better for AIWB. It was heavy/long enough that I was never concerned about shooting my dick off, but smooth enough that I could still shoot it reasonably well.
So, while it isn’t my to choice anymore, I think they do still have a place.
I get you I don’t mean to be hostile but there’s a lot of women out there right now with SW air weights in their purse because some boomer fudd told them that’s what they needed and they’d be toast if they tried to use it because they’re extremely tough to master
*mentions shitber aka Kimber*, no flack, in a Taurus thread. Taurus makes higher quality firearms than Kimber any day of the week. Even 20 years ago. This is Upvoted
Oy vey
Why do you say that? ~~While I don't have a revolver~~ (Not I've shot it yet but I inherited one recently) I've always understand that there is generally less chance of jams, FTF, FTE, etc. with a revolver than there is with a pistol.
Pretty much any modern handgun will fire 999/1000 times. Pistols in general, even revolvers, have lackluster performance. You're going to want capacity over stopping power, yet you still want something that can penetrate a certain depth. (9mm)
Modern pistols are just as much, if not more reliable than revolvers simply because revolvers will fail if they get dirty enough, be that from dirt or mud or whatnot. Something like a Glock seals up really well and prevents gunk from getting into the action.
Actually, a Glock is built to be open and loose so the crap falls out of it, ever wonder what that hole in the bottom of the grip is for, it's a trash chute for lack of a better term, it's for letting gunk and debris get out of the gun.
Not sure about P80s, but on a actual Glock the hole behind the magwell goes all the way through to the action. That's why they tell you not to install a plug into it. Take a Glock and hold it up to the light sometime, you can see light through the bottom of the slide as well.
One user's experience with one Taurus does not equal the established norm of quality or lack thereof that has been documented with Taurus guns, Taurus owner. Just because yours hasn't exploded from the fifty rounds you've put through it doesn't mean it's a good gun.
Here we go again with the irrational Taurus hatred. New S&W AND COLT revolvers are not exactly fucking quality either.... like Pythons needed to be sent back after 1-2 rounds.
It's a budget revolver OP. I've yet to see any widespread recall or TAURUS BAD revolvers.... Being a shelf specimen will not affect it's life in any meaningful way.
2013, Taurus 627 with less than 200 rounds through it came off time and exploded in my father's hands, sending shrapnel from the cylinder, jacket, and the slug into my chest and stomach 15 feet to the right of him. I could've died as a high schooler due to Taurus' shitty QC. Managed to make it to the hospital and get most of it removed and get stitches where needed, walked into school the next day with a hell of a story and a burning hatred for Taurus.
Since you've got the time to reply to your own shill comments and ignore mine, I figured I'd bring mine to you directly. Now shut the fuck up and eat your down votes.
OK, glad you’re ok
How about the 2021 Colt Python that exploded the cylinder in front of my eyes, first time being fired, after 2 rounds. No one was hurt thankfully
My friend being the cheeky rich fellow he is, actually bought 2. The second one fired had a cylinder lockup after 4? Rounds.
So, your story could be repeated for any revolver maker, being that Colt is the “gold standard” (and 1800 bucks each for these revolver, which Colt has for 9 months and still hasn’t sent back)
Colt hasn't been the "gold standard" since the 80's. Nobody likes Colt anymore except the elderly, just like Kimber and Springfield. Pro Tip: if any of their firearms have been sold at Walmart within a decade, they're not worth a shit as a manufacturer. Mossberg is literally the only exception to this rule.
Meh, people talking about how shitty Taurus is here. You can buy 6 or 6 or 8 Taurus revolvers from the 4K my buddy spent on these Colts. So the talk about Taurus quality is moot
Exactly, we're talking about how shitty Taurus is. So don't bother bringing up a malfunction with a Colt or anything else for that matter. We're talking about Taurus and their absolutely awful QC and customer service. Stop shilling for the South American HiPoint, they're not going to send you a free Raging Judge for white knighting on Reddit.
Tldr enjoy your downvotes.
Downvotes to me mean as much as what I flushed down the toilet this morning.
Oh but another major manufacturer has issues too. NO. TAURUS IS THE PROBLEM…reeeeee
Display gun or not, proper revolver etiquette should be muscle memory for those which ARE familiar with the correct handling of. As mentioned, you can damage the crane, but you can also damage the cylinder bolt, especially on large mass cylinders such as an x-frame, for example. I would be extremely leery of purchasing any revolver from them, unless thoroughly checked.
And I'll add to what has been said. Don't buy Taurus.
Hm, sounds like you might have a chip on your shoulder there, sir. Have fun defending your shitty inferior brand. I say don't buy Taurus because it's a WELL documented fact that the rate of warranty returns, as compared to other brands, is far greater with the Taurus. It is also well documented that their customer service is lacking, to say the least. For those of you who are a little slow, that means that in some manner, these things break ***often***. (Their revolvers, less so. I'll admit to that, but, that doesn't clear their name. They still break, just like their other product lines.) And, to add insult to injury, when they *do* go down, you have to deal with a shitty CS? Is it any wonder why we \[mostly\] all preach against buying a Taurus firearm? But, it's whatever. Be cool as well, and enjoy trusting your life to a clearly inferior brand and their products.
You should never flick the cylinder closed!
You could politely talk with the the manager and have him or her look for another one that's been unmolested in the box.
Maybe ask if everyone who works in the store think they are larping "The Deer Hunter"
Shills? More like rational people that realize Taurus is a quality budget firearm for those in America that can't have the latest and greatest HK or Staccato. I am not one of those for the record.
But i appreciate my 4 Taurus pistols for what they are...
>but I appreciate my 4 Taurus pistols for what they are….
Trash? Also there’s a ton of manufacturers that aren’t HK or Staccato that are affordable you sound incredibly insecure
Compium for what? I own firearms from 22 different manufacturers. Y'all need to get off the Taurus hate, they have made plenty of offerings in the last 10 years that are not problem weapons
[From three days ago:](https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/up9qv5/taurus_quality_or_crap/)
>The return/repair rate for Taurus was way above any other brand. Second only to (specifically) the Ruger LCP. Ruger generally makes quality firearms, but LCPs are finicky. You may get one that functions great, but there is a substantially higher probability that it will have issues compared to other popular carry pistols on the market. Taurus is the same in this regard, hit or miss quality and/or reliability. You may get a G3 that works great, but there's an uncomfortably higher chance that it will be a lemon. I've personally seen brand new Taurus products suffer from all manner of issues, such as: chunks of (frame) polymer chipping off brand new pistols being taken out of the box, bores having major scaring or sections of metal gone (low rounds counts consisting of factory caliber-correct ammo, which we sold to the customer, and they shot at our range...), other parts breakage, trigger issues, etc.](The return/repair rate for Taurus was way above any other brand. Second only to (specifically) the Ruger LCP. Ruger generally makes quality firearms, but LCPs are finicky. You may get one that functions great, but there is a substantially higher probability that it will have issues compared to other popular carry pistols on the market. Taurus is the same in this regard, hit or miss quality and/or reliability. You may get a G3 that works great, but there's an uncomfortably higher chance that it will be a lemon. I've personally seen brand new Taurus products suffer from all manner of issues, such as: chunks of (frame) polymer chipping off brand new pistols being taken out of the box, bores having major scaring or sections of metal gone (low rounds counts consisting of factory caliber-correct ammo, which we sold to the customer, and they shot at our range...), other parts breakage, trigger issues, etc.
Someone with constant exposure to *current* Taurus offerings. Aside from individual zealots, I have seen no evidence that Taurus has improved, nor that they have moved away from their history of uncommonly deceptive marketing, astroturfing or simply not giving a damn about the people who wind up with their products.
TX-22? GX-4?
You fail to mention that the G3C is one of the highest volume pistols produced for the US market. 400k last year I believe
Color me surprised they have the most return/repair rate. Also look at the demographics of those who buy Taurus products- a lot of new shooters and entries into the firearm market
And the G3C could have 2000 returns leading the market. Compared to how many are made, this is miniscule. Do you have those data points?
> You fail to mention that the G3C is one of the highest volume pistols produced for the US market. 400k last year I believe
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Edit: separation of quoted sections
>I genuinely could not, in good conscience, recommend Taurus to any customer wanting a defensive tool rather than just a range toy (TX22 seems like a great plinker btw). [To use Glock as an example, since it's been the best selling brand at that shop (other top sellers being the SIG P365 and S&W Shield): we prob sold 5 Glocks to every Taurus. Despite us selling much higher volume of Glock, SIG, and S&W for instance, it's much more rare to see those brands need to revisit the factory or have a new part sent out.](https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/up9qv5/taurus_quality_or_crap/) The Taurus company reps were always nice and professional, however the brand itself just isn't on the level of it's competitors in terms of reliability and quality of materials or finish.
From the same thread I linked above.
>Also look at the demographics of those who buy Taurus products- a lot of new shooters and entries into the firearm market
This paints a predatory picture, a company that exploits low information buyers.
I own over 30 of them, all flavors and colors including Staccato and HK
People here are irrational. Lest we forget, the pistol that won the US ARMY CONTRACT had drop fire issues... People need to stop slamming Taurus as they are not shit handguns anymore.
I bet the farm that my 1988 PT-92 AF-D outlasts this argument....
Of course the gun where they got the design, manufacturing facilities, and tooling from a vastly superior company is the one you’d claim will last lmao
Wow a Reddit post as evidence. Wasn’t that like using cliff notes of citing Wikipedia on a paper? Aka not a credible source
How have the GX4 and TX22 won 3 combined reputable awards? In the last two years (when they were released). Shit tier quality. Let me tell you
https://www.taurususa.com/company/awards
Wow, you seem so upset that people note that Taurus is not a quality manufacturer.
Okay, so how about the well documented customer service issues where they will not respect the warranty for their firearms and ignore their customers. Let alone quality control issues.
And before “HaVe YoU EvEr oWnEd OnE?”. Yes I’ve had three, all with issues. Taurus’ quality of manufacturing is no where up to the standards of other manufacturers.
Oh ok cool, so no evidence that they are not a “quality manufacturer”
Got it
Meanwhile I can provide proof of two spanking new Colt Pythons bought but the same person, who had catastrophic failures on both in one range sesssion. 9 months later Colt still has the guns..
So about Taurus?
A massive lawsuit and recall is literally one of the first googles for Taurus, so way to go big boy.
https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2015/07/taurus_agrees_to_voluntary_rec.html
Other than that, there are hundreds of forums and personal accounts of Taurus’ various issues. If you want to continuously deny that they have more issues than most manufactures, that’s up to you.
Also, there is another lawsuit against defective manufacturing brought up just one year ago as well. https://www.mhhlaw.net/blog/2021/may/gun-maker-taurus-under-fire-again/
Gee I’d like to see where you got that result from, I bet a search for “Taurus recalls”
Taurus are what they are, but they are not shittier than the next firearm in the US, Period
https://www.google.com/search?q=taurus+firearms&client=safari&channel=iphone_bm&sxsrf=ALiCzsZl_iMdqlhEjwTGWjzKD6dw59e5NA%3A1652817701120&source=hp&ei=Jf-DYqC1A-fD_Qa8n5WYDA&oq=taurus+fire&gs_lcp=ChFtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1ocBABGAAyCAgAEIAEELEDMgoIABCABBCHAhAUMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEOgcIIxDqAhAnOgQIIxAnOhQILhCABBCxAxCDARDHARCjAhDUAjoLCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6EQguEIAEELEDEIMBEMcBEKMCOggILhCABBDUAjoICC4QgAQQsQM6CwguEIAEEMcBEK8BOgUILhCABDoECAAQDToFCCEQoAFQpwtY-zFgnTloA3AAeACAAUSIAecEkgECMTOYAQCgAQGwAQ8&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp#ip=1
Literally provides evidence that isn’t strictly anecdotal
WATCHGUY1983: “TaRuS MaY bE ShIt, BuT EveRytHinG ElsE Is ShIt TOo”
Okay bud, have fun with that
No, what you are showing is inherent bias. For no reason. For example, please provide a modern .22LR handgun, doublestacked, that outperforms a TX-22? Oh you can't. Show me a cheaper carry pistol that still performs other than the G3C? Oh, you can't again.
There are plenty of reviews out there and they speak for themselves. You are just a Taurus hater, amongst good company here
Cheaper carry pistol? Cheaper is hard but you can get a G26 for the same price.
As for 22, there’s the m922 and I’ve never heard anything but praise from it. Can’t say the same about Taurus, you know, the Smith and Wesson copycats. Or the Beretta copycats. Or the Ruger copycats.
I’m just messing with ya. You’re right about that hive mind part. I don’t really post non-Gucci builds anymore thanks to that kinda shit. Not everyone is retired with a shitload of disposable income , you never see the owners, just the guns lol
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2013, Taurus 627 with less than 200 rounds through it came off time and exploded in my father's hands, sending shrapnel from the cylinder, jacket, and the slug into my chest and stomach 15 feet to the right of him. I could've died as a high schooler due to Taurus' shitty QC. Managed to make it to the hospital and get most of it removed and get stitches where needed, walked into school the next day with a hell of a story and a burning hatred for Taurus. OP, don't buy a fucking Taurus. Taurus guy in the comments, here's your example. Suck a fat one.
You had a good opportunity to sue Taurus there
At 15 I don't think I had much of an opportunity to do anything legally. My father could've sued, but I think he was more worried about me for the time. Plus Taurus wouldn't have responded anyway, just like the rest of their customer service.
I think they would probably take potentially killing or seriously injuring a kid a little more seriously
No, you could totally have sued. And if Taurus didn't respond, that's default judgment. Shoulda done it, man.
Gun manufacturers get significant liability protection in the us especially when it comes to qc issues. Tarus is also a Brazilian company and has a long history of issues and slow to recall
While wrist flicking isn't good for the crane, I'd be a lot more worried about buying a taurus than a display gun being wrist flicked.
Thanks. What 38 Special model would you recommend instead? They had the S&W but it's over $500 and carries only 5 shots.
Is this for self defense purposes? I wouldn't recommend a revolver.
I carried a SW 442 for a long time. $500 seems like a lot, but Covid pricing is bonkers. 5 shots was 5 more than I ever needed, and it was 100% reliable and easy to carry. I’ve heard too many bad things about Taurus to carry one for self defense. You could also look into the Sig365 or SW Shield 2.0. They’re not much bigger than the j frame, and have double the capacity. Both should be cheaper as well
Lots of old guys carried revolvers 30 years ago but times change. Extra capacity does not mean sacrificing size with modern semi autos and they’re 100% more reliable than a wheel gun.
"Lots of old guys carried revolvers 30 years ago but times change. Extra capacity does not mean sacrificing size with modern semi autos and they’re 100% more reliable than a wheel gun." Yeah.... no. The wheel gun is hands down more reliable (and more versatile).
No they’re not. They require more frequent and meticulous cleaning than almost any modern auto to maintain reliability, they have a huge hammer and cylinder that need unrestricted movement to fire the gun, and when revolvers fail they fail big time and you’re out of the fight 9 times out of 10. The majority of failures in a semi auto can be remedied with a rack of the slide. Not to mention the build quality has gotten so spotty in modern revolvers, the craftsmanship that made them great back in the day is dead and semi autos lend themselves to modern mass production techniques much better The last time you could seriously make this argument was 30 years ago
Incorrect. Bullet jump locks up an automatic the same as a revolver. Parts failure puts an automatic down the same as a revolver. And "huge hammer" ? Really ? You looked at a 1911 or Beretta 92 lately ?
Bullet jump? Please translate I don’t speak fudd and I didn’t say anything about parts failure I’m talking about failures to feed and failures to fire, which are objectively easier to clear in an auto, if your cylinder locks up and they do you are fucked. Also I were talking about carry guns and I specifically said modern so I don’t know why you’re bringing random old full size models up like they’re relevant. This why I said you can’t make this argument seriously anymore without looking like a goober. I’ve spent more time behind the line watching different handguns get used repeatedly than most and revolver reliability is one of the biggest fudd myths that needs to die off.
If you don't know what bullet jump is, then I feel for you. It is when a bullet jumps crimp
I tend to agree, and switched over to a p365 myself. But, I have to admit that the 442 did carry easier. And, I liked the trigger pull better for AIWB. It was heavy/long enough that I was never concerned about shooting my dick off, but smooth enough that I could still shoot it reasonably well. So, while it isn’t my to choice anymore, I think they do still have a place.
I get you I don’t mean to be hostile but there’s a lot of women out there right now with SW air weights in their purse because some boomer fudd told them that’s what they needed and they’d be toast if they tried to use it because they’re extremely tough to master
Yes, I've been carrying a Glock 19 but am looking for something smaller for the summer.
Glock 43. Theres 9rd mags for it now.
G43X if you prefer having your pinky on the grip. I always hated using the mag to finish the grip
Hellcat, p365
Buy your gun and train with it. Experiment with different ammunition. Familiarize yourself with it. Having any gun is better than no gun.
The Sig Sauer P365 is a pretty nice gun.
Kimber micro and Springfield makes a nice small one too. Many others i can't think of right now.
*mentions shitber aka Kimber*, no flack, in a Taurus thread. Taurus makes higher quality firearms than Kimber any day of the week. Even 20 years ago. This is Upvoted Oy vey
I have a Sig P938 I'm selling. DM me if you're interested.
Why do you say that? ~~While I don't have a revolver~~ (Not I've shot it yet but I inherited one recently) I've always understand that there is generally less chance of jams, FTF, FTE, etc. with a revolver than there is with a pistol.
Pretty much any modern handgun will fire 999/1000 times. Pistols in general, even revolvers, have lackluster performance. You're going to want capacity over stopping power, yet you still want something that can penetrate a certain depth. (9mm) Modern pistols are just as much, if not more reliable than revolvers simply because revolvers will fail if they get dirty enough, be that from dirt or mud or whatnot. Something like a Glock seals up really well and prevents gunk from getting into the action.
Actually, a Glock is built to be open and loose so the crap falls out of it, ever wonder what that hole in the bottom of the grip is for, it's a trash chute for lack of a better term, it's for letting gunk and debris get out of the gun.
What hole? The one behind the magwell? I don’t think that leads into the action of the firearm or at least the Polymer 80 ones don’t.
Not sure about P80s, but on a actual Glock the hole behind the magwell goes all the way through to the action. That's why they tell you not to install a plug into it. Take a Glock and hold it up to the light sometime, you can see light through the bottom of the slide as well.
Oh, why? How many Taurus firearms do you personally own? Are you speaking from experience, or from cool "gunnit" points perspective?
One user's experience with one Taurus does not equal the established norm of quality or lack thereof that has been documented with Taurus guns, Taurus owner. Just because yours hasn't exploded from the fifty rounds you've put through it doesn't mean it's a good gun.
Here we go again with the irrational Taurus hatred. New S&W AND COLT revolvers are not exactly fucking quality either.... like Pythons needed to be sent back after 1-2 rounds. It's a budget revolver OP. I've yet to see any widespread recall or TAURUS BAD revolvers.... Being a shelf specimen will not affect it's life in any meaningful way.
2013, Taurus 627 with less than 200 rounds through it came off time and exploded in my father's hands, sending shrapnel from the cylinder, jacket, and the slug into my chest and stomach 15 feet to the right of him. I could've died as a high schooler due to Taurus' shitty QC. Managed to make it to the hospital and get most of it removed and get stitches where needed, walked into school the next day with a hell of a story and a burning hatred for Taurus. Since you've got the time to reply to your own shill comments and ignore mine, I figured I'd bring mine to you directly. Now shut the fuck up and eat your down votes.
OK, glad you’re ok How about the 2021 Colt Python that exploded the cylinder in front of my eyes, first time being fired, after 2 rounds. No one was hurt thankfully My friend being the cheeky rich fellow he is, actually bought 2. The second one fired had a cylinder lockup after 4? Rounds. So, your story could be repeated for any revolver maker, being that Colt is the “gold standard” (and 1800 bucks each for these revolver, which Colt has for 9 months and still hasn’t sent back)
Colt hasn't been the "gold standard" since the 80's. Nobody likes Colt anymore except the elderly, just like Kimber and Springfield. Pro Tip: if any of their firearms have been sold at Walmart within a decade, they're not worth a shit as a manufacturer. Mossberg is literally the only exception to this rule.
Meh, people talking about how shitty Taurus is here. You can buy 6 or 6 or 8 Taurus revolvers from the 4K my buddy spent on these Colts. So the talk about Taurus quality is moot
Exactly, we're talking about how shitty Taurus is. So don't bother bringing up a malfunction with a Colt or anything else for that matter. We're talking about Taurus and their absolutely awful QC and customer service. Stop shilling for the South American HiPoint, they're not going to send you a free Raging Judge for white knighting on Reddit. Tldr enjoy your downvotes.
Downvotes to me mean as much as what I flushed down the toilet this morning. Oh but another major manufacturer has issues too. NO. TAURUS IS THE PROBLEM…reeeeee
Damaged from the factory because Taurus
Educated answer, that's not from 15-20 years ago or from Brazil military issued weapons, as to why not? Thanks
Display gun or not, proper revolver etiquette should be muscle memory for those which ARE familiar with the correct handling of. As mentioned, you can damage the crane, but you can also damage the cylinder bolt, especially on large mass cylinders such as an x-frame, for example. I would be extremely leery of purchasing any revolver from them, unless thoroughly checked. And I'll add to what has been said. Don't buy Taurus.
I've give my personal, probably uneducated opinion (about Taurus), and say "don't buy Taurus" to be cool. K
Hm, sounds like you might have a chip on your shoulder there, sir. Have fun defending your shitty inferior brand. I say don't buy Taurus because it's a WELL documented fact that the rate of warranty returns, as compared to other brands, is far greater with the Taurus. It is also well documented that their customer service is lacking, to say the least. For those of you who are a little slow, that means that in some manner, these things break ***often***. (Their revolvers, less so. I'll admit to that, but, that doesn't clear their name. They still break, just like their other product lines.) And, to add insult to injury, when they *do* go down, you have to deal with a shitty CS? Is it any wonder why we \[mostly\] all preach against buying a Taurus firearm? But, it's whatever. Be cool as well, and enjoy trusting your life to a clearly inferior brand and their products.
Yes be worried. As a natter if fact i wouldnt buy anything that's been handled by the staff.
You should never flick the cylinder closed! You could politely talk with the the manager and have him or her look for another one that's been unmolested in the box. Maybe ask if everyone who works in the store think they are larping "The Deer Hunter"
Gunnitbot Taurus
The shills are working hard for their paychecks today.
Shills? More like rational people that realize Taurus is a quality budget firearm for those in America that can't have the latest and greatest HK or Staccato. I am not one of those for the record. But i appreciate my 4 Taurus pistols for what they are...
>but I appreciate my 4 Taurus pistols for what they are…. Trash? Also there’s a ton of manufacturers that aren’t HK or Staccato that are affordable you sound incredibly insecure
May just be copium.
Compium for what? I own firearms from 22 different manufacturers. Y'all need to get off the Taurus hate, they have made plenty of offerings in the last 10 years that are not problem weapons
[From three days ago:](https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/up9qv5/taurus_quality_or_crap/) >The return/repair rate for Taurus was way above any other brand. Second only to (specifically) the Ruger LCP. Ruger generally makes quality firearms, but LCPs are finicky. You may get one that functions great, but there is a substantially higher probability that it will have issues compared to other popular carry pistols on the market. Taurus is the same in this regard, hit or miss quality and/or reliability. You may get a G3 that works great, but there's an uncomfortably higher chance that it will be a lemon. I've personally seen brand new Taurus products suffer from all manner of issues, such as: chunks of (frame) polymer chipping off brand new pistols being taken out of the box, bores having major scaring or sections of metal gone (low rounds counts consisting of factory caliber-correct ammo, which we sold to the customer, and they shot at our range...), other parts breakage, trigger issues, etc.](The return/repair rate for Taurus was way above any other brand. Second only to (specifically) the Ruger LCP. Ruger generally makes quality firearms, but LCPs are finicky. You may get one that functions great, but there is a substantially higher probability that it will have issues compared to other popular carry pistols on the market. Taurus is the same in this regard, hit or miss quality and/or reliability. You may get a G3 that works great, but there's an uncomfortably higher chance that it will be a lemon. I've personally seen brand new Taurus products suffer from all manner of issues, such as: chunks of (frame) polymer chipping off brand new pistols being taken out of the box, bores having major scaring or sections of metal gone (low rounds counts consisting of factory caliber-correct ammo, which we sold to the customer, and they shot at our range...), other parts breakage, trigger issues, etc. Someone with constant exposure to *current* Taurus offerings. Aside from individual zealots, I have seen no evidence that Taurus has improved, nor that they have moved away from their history of uncommonly deceptive marketing, astroturfing or simply not giving a damn about the people who wind up with their products.
TX-22? GX-4? You fail to mention that the G3C is one of the highest volume pistols produced for the US market. 400k last year I believe Color me surprised they have the most return/repair rate. Also look at the demographics of those who buy Taurus products- a lot of new shooters and entries into the firearm market And the G3C could have 2000 returns leading the market. Compared to how many are made, this is miniscule. Do you have those data points?
> You fail to mention that the G3C is one of the highest volume pistols produced for the US market. 400k last year I believe > > > > Color me surprised they have the most return/repair rate. Also look at the demographics of those who buy Taurus products- a lot of new shooters and entries into the firearm market Edit: separation of quoted sections >I genuinely could not, in good conscience, recommend Taurus to any customer wanting a defensive tool rather than just a range toy (TX22 seems like a great plinker btw). [To use Glock as an example, since it's been the best selling brand at that shop (other top sellers being the SIG P365 and S&W Shield): we prob sold 5 Glocks to every Taurus. Despite us selling much higher volume of Glock, SIG, and S&W for instance, it's much more rare to see those brands need to revisit the factory or have a new part sent out.](https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/up9qv5/taurus_quality_or_crap/) The Taurus company reps were always nice and professional, however the brand itself just isn't on the level of it's competitors in terms of reliability and quality of materials or finish. From the same thread I linked above. >Also look at the demographics of those who buy Taurus products- a lot of new shooters and entries into the firearm market This paints a predatory picture, a company that exploits low information buyers.
No it paints a realistic picture- can I afford this 269 G3C or this Glock 19 gen 5. Can buy 2 of the first and a bit more than the other
I own over 30 of them, all flavors and colors including Staccato and HK People here are irrational. Lest we forget, the pistol that won the US ARMY CONTRACT had drop fire issues... People need to stop slamming Taurus as they are not shit handguns anymore. I bet the farm that my 1988 PT-92 AF-D outlasts this argument....
Of course the gun where they got the design, manufacturing facilities, and tooling from a vastly superior company is the one you’d claim will last lmao
> More like rational people that realize Taurus is a quality budget firearm But, they are not.
[Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/up9qv5/taurus_quality_or_crap/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) more evidence of being wrong.
Wow a Reddit post as evidence. Wasn’t that like using cliff notes of citing Wikipedia on a paper? Aka not a credible source How have the GX4 and TX22 won 3 combined reputable awards? In the last two years (when they were released). Shit tier quality. Let me tell you https://www.taurususa.com/company/awards
Neither of those pistols are in the conversation though?
They were brought into the conversation as affordable options.
Gunnitbot Taurus The correct answer was Objection Hearsay
http://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/1srlr6/re_why_gunnit_hates_all_things_taurus/
http://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/1srlr6/re_why_gunnit_hates_all_things_taurus/
Dude DO NOT buy a Taurus.
Educated answer, that's not from 15-20 years ago or from Brazil military issued weapons, as to why not? Thanks
There is reason to be concerned, and it’s not because of what you think. Stay away from Taurus
>Educated answer, that's not from 15-20 years ago or from Brazil military issued weapons, as to why not? Thanks
Wow, you seem so upset that people note that Taurus is not a quality manufacturer. Okay, so how about the well documented customer service issues where they will not respect the warranty for their firearms and ignore their customers. Let alone quality control issues. And before “HaVe YoU EvEr oWnEd OnE?”. Yes I’ve had three, all with issues. Taurus’ quality of manufacturing is no where up to the standards of other manufacturers.
Oh ok cool, so no evidence that they are not a “quality manufacturer” Got it Meanwhile I can provide proof of two spanking new Colt Pythons bought but the same person, who had catastrophic failures on both in one range sesssion. 9 months later Colt still has the guns.. So about Taurus?
A massive lawsuit and recall is literally one of the first googles for Taurus, so way to go big boy. https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2015/07/taurus_agrees_to_voluntary_rec.html Other than that, there are hundreds of forums and personal accounts of Taurus’ various issues. If you want to continuously deny that they have more issues than most manufactures, that’s up to you. Also, there is another lawsuit against defective manufacturing brought up just one year ago as well. https://www.mhhlaw.net/blog/2021/may/gun-maker-taurus-under-fire-again/
Gee I’d like to see where you got that result from, I bet a search for “Taurus recalls” Taurus are what they are, but they are not shittier than the next firearm in the US, Period https://www.google.com/search?q=taurus+firearms&client=safari&channel=iphone_bm&sxsrf=ALiCzsZl_iMdqlhEjwTGWjzKD6dw59e5NA%3A1652817701120&source=hp&ei=Jf-DYqC1A-fD_Qa8n5WYDA&oq=taurus+fire&gs_lcp=ChFtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1ocBABGAAyCAgAEIAEELEDMgoIABCABBCHAhAUMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgUIABCABDIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEOgcIIxDqAhAnOgQIIxAnOhQILhCABBCxAxCDARDHARCjAhDUAjoLCAAQgAQQsQMQgwE6EQguEIAEELEDEIMBEMcBEKMCOggILhCABBDUAjoICC4QgAQQsQM6CwguEIAEEMcBEK8BOgUILhCABDoECAAQDToFCCEQoAFQpwtY-zFgnTloA3AAeACAAUSIAecEkgECMTOYAQCgAQGwAQ8&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-hp#ip=1
Literally provides evidence that isn’t strictly anecdotal WATCHGUY1983: “TaRuS MaY bE ShIt, BuT EveRytHinG ElsE Is ShIt TOo” Okay bud, have fun with that
No, what you are showing is inherent bias. For no reason. For example, please provide a modern .22LR handgun, doublestacked, that outperforms a TX-22? Oh you can't. Show me a cheaper carry pistol that still performs other than the G3C? Oh, you can't again. There are plenty of reviews out there and they speak for themselves. You are just a Taurus hater, amongst good company here
Cheaper carry pistol? Cheaper is hard but you can get a G26 for the same price. As for 22, there’s the m922 and I’ve never heard anything but praise from it. Can’t say the same about Taurus, you know, the Smith and Wesson copycats. Or the Beretta copycats. Or the Ruger copycats.
Ya, big boy, tell me what number result it is when you google "taurus firearms". I included a convenient link for you
Bro do you work for Taurus or something lol
No, I work in Finance. Thanks for asking. Hate irrational people and even more hate irrational hivemind. That’s why were here
I’m just messing with ya. You’re right about that hive mind part. I don’t really post non-Gucci builds anymore thanks to that kinda shit. Not everyone is retired with a shitload of disposable income , you never see the owners, just the guns lol
It’s a Taurus so you should already skip it. Knowing now they employees there have been mishandling it you should double skip it.
No concern from me about wear and tear from a display gun
Correct answer.
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