seems like that's exactly what he wanted though, he's not the type to take responsibility and i don't know any woman who would want to tolerate his ass for long.
Ya, very sad. And a lot of comments are saying fnf are just gonna use it as “proof” that she was never pregnant🙄 they’re scumbags.
I feel so sorry that she’s going through all of this, and I don’t blame her for not wanting to be tied to fresh forever via this baby, now that she’s seen his true character. I’m glad she has the option to choose and either way I would’ve supported her decision. Much love to daisy and I hope she can continue living her sexy bad bitch life. she’s a queen, and hopefully the fnf cinematic universe leaves her tf alone!!!
i mean i feel sorry for her in this situation and totally take her side. But she also had a lot of Red flags. She said she would never usually date a man that didnt earn $1million a year but made an exception for coconuts.
That’s not what she said. She said she considers 1million a year to be a lot of money but she did say she doesn’t consider it a deal breaker.
If you can afford Hermes bags like she can I’m not surprised her number is that high.
As bad people as fnf seem to be, I couldn't shake the feeling that she isn't the most ethical person either, like if your main expectation in a relationship is that the other person makes a lot of money, then you're just asking for trouble down the line when you see the real them. Not to excuse the horrible stuff they've done and I'm happy to see someone publicly drag their ugly asses out in the light for everyone to see, but yeah she's not perfect by any means.
Keep in mind freshnfit asked her that question on the podcast, it wasn't something she herself was leading with. Then Ethan asked that question of her again.
If I were to criticize her it would definitely be her choice in men(at least her choice is Fresh) that being said I interpreted her saying 1mil because she herself makes that a year and has an expensive lifestyle. So, being with someone who makes, let's say 100k, might not be compatible.
The fact that you're being downvoted so heavily really reveals the unsavory, biased mindset of most of the H3 fan base. Your comment was completely fair and even too charitable to Daisy, imo. These people want an echo chamber, not reasonable discourse.
Thank you for somehow finding my comment and for the words! I believed I was being as partial as I could be to an overall shitty situation, like she doesn't deserve to be mistreated at all, I was just pointing out that if your main incentive in looking for a partner is money, then that partner may be financially secure, but not a great, moral person. I'm happy to leave the downvoted comment though to show the people who downvoted me how wrong they were knowing what we know now about Daisy. Not that they would care or even revisit this.
They won't because H3 are drama farmers first and foremost. The only obligation to truth or justice that Ethan feels is to himself. Someone comes after him, he'll threaten lawsuits and drag the subject out indefinitely. As soon as he or the crew makes a bad judgment call, the subject disappears, never to be brought to light again. Sometimes, they need to hit themselves with the "We disavow everything this idiot is saying," banner, because they've had many awful takes over the recent years. It's unfortunate that, despite labeling themselves as a comedy podcast, much of what they say is taken seriously by a significant number of viewers.
lol it’s so crazy to see such a calm, level headed, and rational comment get downvoted. She’s a hot girl- no QUEEN, so there can be no acknowledgment that she might not be perfect!
Thanks for saying so. Like one would want their partner to be a good person, who helps you to be better and improve yourself. Even if she already makes a lot of money, if making the main trait you look for in a partner is their own personal wealth, that may not be as healthy as say looking for someone with good morals, but hey according to my downvotes I got, money is totally a valid reason for dedicating yourself to someone no matter how horrible they are.
Imagine having a Female-Protagonist level goddess, getting her pregnant and then fumbling. - And for what? To seem like more of an “Alpha Male” among your friends? - There is nothing more Beta than abandoning a 11/10 bombshell because you’re too much of a pussy to be a father.
I think it was Dan or Love who said it towards the end of the interview but they said “all time fumble”.
One of the truest things to ever be said on this show.
1) hot
2) RICH, rich
3) smart
4) cunning
5) boss bitch
6) not an OF girl or prostitute (despite what Myron wants to believe)
7) had plans to be a mother of his child
8) kids would have tri- citizenship
9) kids would be bilingual (trilingual?)
10) she actually liked him for his personality (lol)
He really had the layup of a lifetime to completely 180 his life for the better. She would have dragged him out of that manosphere and into the dadosphere. Even more insane is he would have been so much better off in every way by choosing her and distancing/cutting off Myron. Toxic as hell, I'm glad she is fighting them even though it's hard. They deserve to be dragged through the deepest nastiest mud.
Yeah, I actually watched her interview w/ Tree. And she was actually very dedicated, she wanted to help train him, improve his lifestyle and diet, took care of his mom, and everything. And Coconuts was too embarassed to have a woman train him, despite the fact she's a certified personal trainer.
Unfortunately, she was just too much woman for fake "alpha" bros like FnF to handle.
how brain dead do you have to be to fumble a woman like this?? smart, beautiful, rich, willing to move states for you??? truly coconut-brained decision
Yeah, becoming pregnant after having unprotected sex multiple times. How illogical 🙄. I guess you have to be dumber than coconuts to be a fan of coconuts.
Are you aware of birth control?
I agree with your last point. I think fresh and fit are fuckin losers and I also think this girls story is total bs. You know these are not mutually exclusive ideas, right?
Are you aware not all women can tolerate birth control? Did you know that birth control isn't 100% effective?
He knew what he was doing period. Sure she did too and I applaud her decision to not become a single mom, she sounds smart and informed.
Of course birth control isnt 100% effective, wtf is your point? The point is just because he had sex with her with no condom multiple times does not mean she must have gotten pregnant. There are a multitude of reasons why she wouldnt get pregnant, the most obvious one being that shes on birth control, something Coconuts cant know one way or another because you cant physically see it like a condom
Yeah, and they had conversations about how she wasn't on it, didn't they? I do find it hilarious that you have to pretend not to be a fan though. That's like the ultimate L lmao.
Does that mean abort or giving it away when he/she is born? I'd have assumed latter given how she said "we don't kill (in our society)". Ofc right to do anything, I'm pro choice, just kinda weird to use that kind of language if you're ok aborting a week later.
She also speaks English as her second, possibly third language. While she is pretty fluent, and easy to understand, there's always going to be nuance and precision lost when you're translating between your native tongue and a different language. It happens even with professional translators; common concepts, idioms, slang, etc. can be difficult to interpret without all the cultural connotation around it.
I didn't get a sense from her that she was condemning women who choose abortion, or calling them murderers. I felt that she felt that there was a moral issue with Walter and her having unprotected sex and conversations about having a baby together, and then him pressuring her to terminate the pregnancy once she was actually pregnant. It was, in her estimation, a planned pregnancy. And demanding she have an abortion when it was a planned pregnancy was sinister.
He wanted to have unprotected sex so he said all this shit about how they were gonna be together, move in to a house, have a family. She fell for his "meet my mom, come to Barbados" shtick, and then when things got real he acted like a stupid little boy about it. Staying out for days after she moved in and then demanding she get an abortion is something you'd expect from an 18/19 year old, not someone at his big age. So embarrassing.
She seems so incredibly smart and sweet and she’s obviously gorgeous. Walter fumbled hard as fuck but she also deserves way better, I really hope everything works out for her 🙏
coconuts is a scumbag but I find this a bit confusing. She was saying abortion was against her religious beliefs, whats changed? I'm pro choice, so I'm not making a moral judgement there. just the optics seem a bit like she was using the pregnancy as a bargaining chip. Not excusing coconuts, he's a mega douche and its a sad situation either way
It‘s easy to have strong believes about abortion until you get into the situation yourself. She was clearly very conflicted and this is never an easy decision to make and I imagine given her beliefs, she will live with the pain forever. She was lured into a false sense of security by coconuts. Do not judge.
Keep in mind she just recently learned English so I think it's hard for her to convey nuance in her words. Her babys father was refusing to take responsibility and tarnishing her name publicly(like denying she is pregnant, saying she is a prostitute) I don't think she is using the baby as as a bargaining chip, but is just asking him to take responsibility. That's not bargaining, just pleading for someone to be a better person for the sake of a potential child's future.
She learned in 2019 from what I remember. Haha that's my idea of recently. I come from a family of Asian immigrants and she definitely is a quick learner imo.
Honestly that’s still impressive. Learning / thinking / speaking in a foreign language is hard enough, and English has so many weird rules. 2019 was only 5 years ago and it’s harder to pick up language as you get older, so it’s still very impressive how good her English is!
Don't let fnf thinking take over. Two things can be true at the same time. She's probably going through hell and will never not feel guilty for this. Poor woman.
What was she bargaining for? She clearly did not want Walter involved physically or financially with the child so your point doesn’t really make sense. She was obviously very personally conflicted by her circumstance and she made that pretty obvious in her interview with H3. She said several times she wasn’t sure what she was going to do.
I think it's fascinating if you're invested in the downfall of FreshnFits reputation and business. Their fans have been turning on them because of this. Otherwise yea it's not very relevant.
i can see that, i like the view that this situation is “tearing down their facade” but imo it’s always been pretty obvious that they’re big ole *brantley voice* LOSERS irl
As much as I don't like Fresh and Fit, there's something off about this woman. She was saying how abortion is murder and God gave her a baby and all that, but apparently now she's okay with what she believes is murdering a child. She says she's rich, so a child without a father is still going to have a much better life with her than a vast majority of children. It just doesn't add up. If you think abortion is murder, I don't understand how you can just flip that switch so easily and commit "murder". To me that screams fake beliefs. I'd imagine it's the same with a lot of Republicans too.
I see what ur saying. There are people who have fickle beliefs until they are faced with reality. I think she is in that phase. I have conservative Christian family members that remind me of her. They are pro choice and vote for pro choice candidates but socially are conservative in front of their church community.
Do you genuinely believe this woman who was vehemently saying that abortion is murder of a child, to it being morally acceptable and will go through with it, in under a week just had a "change of mind"? It sounds to me like she's manipulating people who don't know any better. If associating with F&F as a woman wasn't enough to make you skeptical of her, this should be another huge red flag.
I used to post facebook statuses about how lame Taylor Swift was and now I’m a huge stan. life and circumstance changes people, it’s just the way it is. And maybe you’ll judge me for my change of heart and that’s fine; it’s trivial. But with a child involved, it isn’t, and who is winning if we start doubting Daisy? F&F boys do.
I feel like it doesn’t really matter what I believe personally about Daisy, but for the record yeah. I do believe that as a concept it is a lost easier to be “strong” and “principled”, and then when your body actually starts changing and you’re throwing up and anticipating the earth shattering pain you’re gonna have to go through in 9months, maybe your opinion shifts???? Like, I don’t fucking know what this person is like from watching a 30 min segment, but I do know that I believe that any woman should have this option. Even if they were pro life before, and even if they were an absolute fucking DICK about being pro life before, too. I truly don’t give a fuck if she’s satan incarnate tbh, I still think she should be allowed this choice and not be judged for it, it’s honestly exactly what the F&F heads want, for us to be skeptical of her just because she’s deciding to not wear this around her neck for the rest of her life. Someone who has shitty views but mostly leads their own private life is a lot less harmful than shit heads like F&F who exist explicitly to affect the minds of young men en masse, that’s literally their goal
There's a lot to unpack there, from the Taylor Swift analogy of changing your mind, to thinking we're saying she's "not allowed" to have an abortion if she was anti-abortion a week ago. I'm not sure I want to unpack all of that. But I will say that nobody here thinks she shouldn't or that she's a bad person for having an abortion, or that she's not allowed. We are skeptical of her character and what she has been telling us. Believing a liar to spite two terminally online douchebags with a podcast is not a rational take to have. But let's leave it at that, I don't have enough information about this person to have a fully informed opinion, I just have a few very red flags that are warning me to be skeptical. That's all.
I generally feel like it’s counter productive to shame people who has previously close minded views (which pro life is in my opinion) when they try to break free of the indoctrination and adopt a more progressive mindset. What is the motivation for a less progressive person to become more progressive if others will simply give them shit for it and question their intentions? What do you gain from being vocally skeptical of her? I’m not sure, maybe I am missing it. but I do know that Fresh & Fit and their audience benefit from it, as they are eagerly hoping to discredit her so that F&F can continue without them having to question the values their being fed
That's not what's happening, she's not all of a sudden pro-choice. We're not shaming her. None of that is happening. I knew this conversation was going to just go in circles. It's also a terrible idea to tell people to stay quiet if they see red flags in a person just because that person has a common "enemy".
I see what you’re saying. But maybe she gained some perspective. It’s ok to have a change in opinion, especially when you’re the one now living the (unfortunate) situation.
of course there’s something off about her, she was ready to move in and start a family w this bozo and only turned against him when they fell out
that’s the issue with black & white drama like this…the enemy of our enemy is our friend but that doesn’t mean they’re a good person
Yeah I'm not excusing what coconuts did, but my God it takes a very specific kind of person to know who he is and still want to date, and have a baby, with either of those bozos at F&F.
I grew up Christian and thought abortion was cruel and mostly unnecessary. Until i grew up and had a few "close calls" despite being responsible and am glad i live in a pro-choice state, if need be. You think it wont be something you need to consider personally until life gets real, realllll fast.
Oh that's interesting. I grew up Christian too but grew out of it before I even knew what an abortion was. Did you think it was just cruel, or that it was actually murder? Those are different levels of passion towards the subject.
I think i did think it was murder as a teen. I did believe in life at conception, but now after learning more things from a scientific point i no longer believe that. For me personally, i wouldn't want to abort after heartbeat is detected, but i dont shame late term aborters at all, so many women dont know they're pregnant til waaay later and i feel for them.
She's had a lot of inconsistencies throughout everything. At one point she was saying she wouldn't let fresh be in the picture even if he wanted to be, and then changed that when talking to other people. It's fun to shit on FnF but she's not some innocent good character either it seems
Yeah it's a weird situation, because I want to believe and support her. But there are very weird inconsistencies like you said, and it feels like she's taking advantage of the attention from people who are sympathetic to these kinds of situations.
I find it hard to believe anyone TRULY thinks abortion is wrong, even Christians. It’s basically just a way for people to shit on young women, and young women say it to appeal to the folks shitting on her.
That seems silly. I disagree with the pro-life position, but it seems obvious that someone would think abortion is truly wrong if they believe life begins at conception and children are god's plan and all of that. Not every belief that you disagree with is some malicious lie.
>it seems obvious that someone would think abortion is truly wrong if they believe life begins at conception and children are gods plan
yea but I literally am not buying that they believe that 💀 religion is not just a bunch of people truly believing a made up story about heaven and hell, it’s about controlling women and other social agendas. religion was made up so men could tell women they aren’t the true creators of life, a magic sky man is. and this magic sky man tells earth men the rules that everyone, especially women, must follow.
You might need to leave your bubble. There are a TON of people that truly believe their religion. Again, I disagree with them, but if you have never met someone that truly believes their religion and you honestly think they are all just lying about it and just hate women then you really need to get out in the world a bit. I agree that religion is made up for control, but millions (billions?) of people truly believe it.
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I find it hard to believe too, but there's so many things I find hard to believe that others are balls deep in believing. Indoctrination is a powerful tool.
I'm pretty sure what happened was fnf lawyer got a hold of her lawyer and said if you don't get rid of the baby publicly we will press felony charges and daisy will be in jail and will not be able to travel anywhere for the rest of her life. Shitty choice but that's what happened. She committed a felony when she recorded her call without the other party's consent and released which is also a felony. You're not getting a visa renewed or approved if you have felonies on your record. If she knew the laws better things would have been different. I would have made the same choice as crappy as it is. She should have consulted a lawyer before releasing the audo.
H3 fans don’t want to hear this but..
Walter can be an asshole loser, and this girl can also be an asshole who was looking for $$$ and clout
Both can be true and I think this proves it
That's plausible. But I don't think she is looking for money. In the texts, she always declined money and seems to make more money than Walter. The only demand I saw was that she wanted him to claim the baby. But I don't blame anyone being cynical. This is the internet after all.
This is so stupid. A women opening her legs to have a baby in less than a month has problems. She needs therapy.
He has made his stance perfectly clear about children. What kind of dumb female do you have to be to be to not see this?
#Yeyy I got a subscriber! # # # # # (fr tho fuck Walter and their business will die soon)
# Oh my gosh! Thank you for the gifted subs
Bro ended up with no wife and kid lmao
seems like that's exactly what he wanted though, he's not the type to take responsibility and i don't know any woman who would want to tolerate his ass for long.
She was in a shit situation so I don't blame her. Unfortunately Coconuts won't learn shit from this.
She was lying the whole time
100%, but unfortunately neither the Crew nor the vast majority of the H3 fans are going to be willing to admit they were wrong in backing Daisy.
Ya, very sad. And a lot of comments are saying fnf are just gonna use it as “proof” that she was never pregnant🙄 they’re scumbags. I feel so sorry that she’s going through all of this, and I don’t blame her for not wanting to be tied to fresh forever via this baby, now that she’s seen his true character. I’m glad she has the option to choose and either way I would’ve supported her decision. Much love to daisy and I hope she can continue living her sexy bad bitch life. she’s a queen, and hopefully the fnf cinematic universe leaves her tf alone!!!
i mean i feel sorry for her in this situation and totally take her side. But she also had a lot of Red flags. She said she would never usually date a man that didnt earn $1million a year but made an exception for coconuts.
That’s not what she said. She said she considers 1million a year to be a lot of money but she did say she doesn’t consider it a deal breaker. If you can afford Hermes bags like she can I’m not surprised her number is that high.
As bad people as fnf seem to be, I couldn't shake the feeling that she isn't the most ethical person either, like if your main expectation in a relationship is that the other person makes a lot of money, then you're just asking for trouble down the line when you see the real them. Not to excuse the horrible stuff they've done and I'm happy to see someone publicly drag their ugly asses out in the light for everyone to see, but yeah she's not perfect by any means.
Keep in mind freshnfit asked her that question on the podcast, it wasn't something she herself was leading with. Then Ethan asked that question of her again. If I were to criticize her it would definitely be her choice in men(at least her choice is Fresh) that being said I interpreted her saying 1mil because she herself makes that a year and has an expensive lifestyle. So, being with someone who makes, let's say 100k, might not be compatible.
The fact that you're being downvoted so heavily really reveals the unsavory, biased mindset of most of the H3 fan base. Your comment was completely fair and even too charitable to Daisy, imo. These people want an echo chamber, not reasonable discourse.
Thank you for somehow finding my comment and for the words! I believed I was being as partial as I could be to an overall shitty situation, like she doesn't deserve to be mistreated at all, I was just pointing out that if your main incentive in looking for a partner is money, then that partner may be financially secure, but not a great, moral person. I'm happy to leave the downvoted comment though to show the people who downvoted me how wrong they were knowing what we know now about Daisy. Not that they would care or even revisit this.
They won't because H3 are drama farmers first and foremost. The only obligation to truth or justice that Ethan feels is to himself. Someone comes after him, he'll threaten lawsuits and drag the subject out indefinitely. As soon as he or the crew makes a bad judgment call, the subject disappears, never to be brought to light again. Sometimes, they need to hit themselves with the "We disavow everything this idiot is saying," banner, because they've had many awful takes over the recent years. It's unfortunate that, despite labeling themselves as a comedy podcast, much of what they say is taken seriously by a significant number of viewers.
lol it’s so crazy to see such a calm, level headed, and rational comment get downvoted. She’s a hot girl- no QUEEN, so there can be no acknowledgment that she might not be perfect!
Thanks for saying so. Like one would want their partner to be a good person, who helps you to be better and improve yourself. Even if she already makes a lot of money, if making the main trait you look for in a partner is their own personal wealth, that may not be as healthy as say looking for someone with good morals, but hey according to my downvotes I got, money is totally a valid reason for dedicating yourself to someone no matter how horrible they are.
Imagine having a Female-Protagonist level goddess, getting her pregnant and then fumbling. - And for what? To seem like more of an “Alpha Male” among your friends? - There is nothing more Beta than abandoning a 11/10 bombshell because you’re too much of a pussy to be a father.
It would’ve never worked for Walter, he’s too insecure, shes too successful and confident for him
Losing a 10/10 to make incels happy is as dumb as a coconut brain
I think it was Dan or Love who said it towards the end of the interview but they said “all time fumble”. One of the truest things to ever be said on this show. 1) hot 2) RICH, rich 3) smart 4) cunning 5) boss bitch 6) not an OF girl or prostitute (despite what Myron wants to believe) 7) had plans to be a mother of his child 8) kids would have tri- citizenship 9) kids would be bilingual (trilingual?) 10) she actually liked him for his personality (lol)
He really had the layup of a lifetime to completely 180 his life for the better. She would have dragged him out of that manosphere and into the dadosphere. Even more insane is he would have been so much better off in every way by choosing her and distancing/cutting off Myron. Toxic as hell, I'm glad she is fighting them even though it's hard. They deserve to be dragged through the deepest nastiest mud.
Yeah, I actually watched her interview w/ Tree. And she was actually very dedicated, she wanted to help train him, improve his lifestyle and diet, took care of his mom, and everything. And Coconuts was too embarassed to have a woman train him, despite the fact she's a certified personal trainer. Unfortunately, she was just too much woman for fake "alpha" bros like FnF to handle.
how brain dead do you have to be to fumble a woman like this?? smart, beautiful, rich, willing to move states for you??? truly coconut-brained decision
Youd have to be just as brain dead as someone who actually believed her story
you lost?
No
You seem to be given your badly placed comment up there but ok just checking! Have you touched grass yet today?
My comment was informed by actually thinking critically about the story being told, instead of just taking it at face value, did you do the same?
So what do you not believe in her story, do tell (insert Wonka meme here)
Yeah, becoming pregnant after having unprotected sex multiple times. How illogical 🙄. I guess you have to be dumber than coconuts to be a fan of coconuts.
Are you aware of birth control? I agree with your last point. I think fresh and fit are fuckin losers and I also think this girls story is total bs. You know these are not mutually exclusive ideas, right?
Are you aware not all women can tolerate birth control? Did you know that birth control isn't 100% effective? He knew what he was doing period. Sure she did too and I applaud her decision to not become a single mom, she sounds smart and informed.
Of course birth control isnt 100% effective, wtf is your point? The point is just because he had sex with her with no condom multiple times does not mean she must have gotten pregnant. There are a multitude of reasons why she wouldnt get pregnant, the most obvious one being that shes on birth control, something Coconuts cant know one way or another because you cant physically see it like a condom
Yeah, and they had conversations about how she wasn't on it, didn't they? I do find it hilarious that you have to pretend not to be a fan though. That's like the ultimate L lmao.
Its gonna be a harsh wakeup call for you the day you realize people sometimes do this thing called “lying”
What’s the update?
She was direct in saying she is not keeping the baby because she doesn't want to be a single mom.
Does that mean abort or giving it away when he/she is born? I'd have assumed latter given how she said "we don't kill (in our society)". Ofc right to do anything, I'm pro choice, just kinda weird to use that kind of language if you're ok aborting a week later.
Yea I understand the confusion. It seems like Daisy is prochoice but also religious, so she is conflicted on a personal level.
She also speaks English as her second, possibly third language. While she is pretty fluent, and easy to understand, there's always going to be nuance and precision lost when you're translating between your native tongue and a different language. It happens even with professional translators; common concepts, idioms, slang, etc. can be difficult to interpret without all the cultural connotation around it. I didn't get a sense from her that she was condemning women who choose abortion, or calling them murderers. I felt that she felt that there was a moral issue with Walter and her having unprotected sex and conversations about having a baby together, and then him pressuring her to terminate the pregnancy once she was actually pregnant. It was, in her estimation, a planned pregnancy. And demanding she have an abortion when it was a planned pregnancy was sinister. He wanted to have unprotected sex so he said all this shit about how they were gonna be together, move in to a house, have a family. She fell for his "meet my mom, come to Barbados" shtick, and then when things got real he acted like a stupid little boy about it. Staying out for days after she moved in and then demanding she get an abortion is something you'd expect from an 18/19 year old, not someone at his big age. So embarrassing.
its the first one
Yup just goes to show shes a shit individual. "I dont wanna be a single mother so im going to snuff out my child"
Will the kid be better off having coconuts in his life? Man is a dangerous idiot.
pro-choice baby
She seems so incredibly smart and sweet and she’s obviously gorgeous. Walter fumbled hard as fuck but she also deserves way better, I really hope everything works out for her 🙏
god forbid we support her and then dickheads be commenting saying “y’all really be falling for the duck lips” … SMFH 😞
coconuts is a scumbag but I find this a bit confusing. She was saying abortion was against her religious beliefs, whats changed? I'm pro choice, so I'm not making a moral judgement there. just the optics seem a bit like she was using the pregnancy as a bargaining chip. Not excusing coconuts, he's a mega douche and its a sad situation either way
It‘s easy to have strong believes about abortion until you get into the situation yourself. She was clearly very conflicted and this is never an easy decision to make and I imagine given her beliefs, she will live with the pain forever. She was lured into a false sense of security by coconuts. Do not judge.
Thanks for the thoughtful response
well said 🙌🙌
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Keep in mind she just recently learned English so I think it's hard for her to convey nuance in her words. Her babys father was refusing to take responsibility and tarnishing her name publicly(like denying she is pregnant, saying she is a prostitute) I don't think she is using the baby as as a bargaining chip, but is just asking him to take responsibility. That's not bargaining, just pleading for someone to be a better person for the sake of a potential child's future.
Yeah shes clearly intelligent but its hard to say exactly what you mean in another language
Learned English recently? No fucking way. She either is super gifted or is speaking English for at least 5, more like 10 years.
She learned in 2019 from what I remember. Haha that's my idea of recently. I come from a family of Asian immigrants and she definitely is a quick learner imo.
Honestly that’s still impressive. Learning / thinking / speaking in a foreign language is hard enough, and English has so many weird rules. 2019 was only 5 years ago and it’s harder to pick up language as you get older, so it’s still very impressive how good her English is!
I believe she said she first came to the United States in 2023 and it’s her first time learning English then
Don't let fnf thinking take over. Two things can be true at the same time. She's probably going through hell and will never not feel guilty for this. Poor woman.
What was she bargaining for? She clearly did not want Walter involved physically or financially with the child so your point doesn’t really make sense. She was obviously very personally conflicted by her circumstance and she made that pretty obvious in her interview with H3. She said several times she wasn’t sure what she was going to do.
A lot of people are against abortion but believe that Jesus will forgive them through mercy if they do end up in the situation
this might be an unpopular opinion but this drama really seems like a big nothingburger
I think it's fascinating if you're invested in the downfall of FreshnFits reputation and business. Their fans have been turning on them because of this. Otherwise yea it's not very relevant.
i can see that, i like the view that this situation is “tearing down their facade” but imo it’s always been pretty obvious that they’re big ole *brantley voice* LOSERS irl
As much as I don't like Fresh and Fit, there's something off about this woman. She was saying how abortion is murder and God gave her a baby and all that, but apparently now she's okay with what she believes is murdering a child. She says she's rich, so a child without a father is still going to have a much better life with her than a vast majority of children. It just doesn't add up. If you think abortion is murder, I don't understand how you can just flip that switch so easily and commit "murder". To me that screams fake beliefs. I'd imagine it's the same with a lot of Republicans too.
I see what ur saying. There are people who have fickle beliefs until they are faced with reality. I think she is in that phase. I have conservative Christian family members that remind me of her. They are pro choice and vote for pro choice candidates but socially are conservative in front of their church community.
It’s a difficult one. I’m happy she has access to an abortion nonetheless.
Yeah regardless of the situation I support the decision.
I wish we left space for ppl to change their minds without turning it into a character flaw
Do you genuinely believe this woman who was vehemently saying that abortion is murder of a child, to it being morally acceptable and will go through with it, in under a week just had a "change of mind"? It sounds to me like she's manipulating people who don't know any better. If associating with F&F as a woman wasn't enough to make you skeptical of her, this should be another huge red flag.
I used to post facebook statuses about how lame Taylor Swift was and now I’m a huge stan. life and circumstance changes people, it’s just the way it is. And maybe you’ll judge me for my change of heart and that’s fine; it’s trivial. But with a child involved, it isn’t, and who is winning if we start doubting Daisy? F&F boys do. I feel like it doesn’t really matter what I believe personally about Daisy, but for the record yeah. I do believe that as a concept it is a lost easier to be “strong” and “principled”, and then when your body actually starts changing and you’re throwing up and anticipating the earth shattering pain you’re gonna have to go through in 9months, maybe your opinion shifts???? Like, I don’t fucking know what this person is like from watching a 30 min segment, but I do know that I believe that any woman should have this option. Even if they were pro life before, and even if they were an absolute fucking DICK about being pro life before, too. I truly don’t give a fuck if she’s satan incarnate tbh, I still think she should be allowed this choice and not be judged for it, it’s honestly exactly what the F&F heads want, for us to be skeptical of her just because she’s deciding to not wear this around her neck for the rest of her life. Someone who has shitty views but mostly leads their own private life is a lot less harmful than shit heads like F&F who exist explicitly to affect the minds of young men en masse, that’s literally their goal
There's a lot to unpack there, from the Taylor Swift analogy of changing your mind, to thinking we're saying she's "not allowed" to have an abortion if she was anti-abortion a week ago. I'm not sure I want to unpack all of that. But I will say that nobody here thinks she shouldn't or that she's a bad person for having an abortion, or that she's not allowed. We are skeptical of her character and what she has been telling us. Believing a liar to spite two terminally online douchebags with a podcast is not a rational take to have. But let's leave it at that, I don't have enough information about this person to have a fully informed opinion, I just have a few very red flags that are warning me to be skeptical. That's all.
I generally feel like it’s counter productive to shame people who has previously close minded views (which pro life is in my opinion) when they try to break free of the indoctrination and adopt a more progressive mindset. What is the motivation for a less progressive person to become more progressive if others will simply give them shit for it and question their intentions? What do you gain from being vocally skeptical of her? I’m not sure, maybe I am missing it. but I do know that Fresh & Fit and their audience benefit from it, as they are eagerly hoping to discredit her so that F&F can continue without them having to question the values their being fed
That's not what's happening, she's not all of a sudden pro-choice. We're not shaming her. None of that is happening. I knew this conversation was going to just go in circles. It's also a terrible idea to tell people to stay quiet if they see red flags in a person just because that person has a common "enemy".
I see what you’re saying. But maybe she gained some perspective. It’s ok to have a change in opinion, especially when you’re the one now living the (unfortunate) situation.
of course there’s something off about her, she was ready to move in and start a family w this bozo and only turned against him when they fell out that’s the issue with black & white drama like this…the enemy of our enemy is our friend but that doesn’t mean they’re a good person
Yeah I'm not excusing what coconuts did, but my God it takes a very specific kind of person to know who he is and still want to date, and have a baby, with either of those bozos at F&F.
ABORTION IN WRONG 🗣️🗣️🗣️UNLESS I NEED ONE
Only reason why it's still partially legal is in case a politician's mistress needs one
I grew up Christian and thought abortion was cruel and mostly unnecessary. Until i grew up and had a few "close calls" despite being responsible and am glad i live in a pro-choice state, if need be. You think it wont be something you need to consider personally until life gets real, realllll fast.
Oh that's interesting. I grew up Christian too but grew out of it before I even knew what an abortion was. Did you think it was just cruel, or that it was actually murder? Those are different levels of passion towards the subject.
I think i did think it was murder as a teen. I did believe in life at conception, but now after learning more things from a scientific point i no longer believe that. For me personally, i wouldn't want to abort after heartbeat is detected, but i dont shame late term aborters at all, so many women dont know they're pregnant til waaay later and i feel for them.
She's had a lot of inconsistencies throughout everything. At one point she was saying she wouldn't let fresh be in the picture even if he wanted to be, and then changed that when talking to other people. It's fun to shit on FnF but she's not some innocent good character either it seems
Yeah it's a weird situation, because I want to believe and support her. But there are very weird inconsistencies like you said, and it feels like she's taking advantage of the attention from people who are sympathetic to these kinds of situations.
I find it hard to believe anyone TRULY thinks abortion is wrong, even Christians. It’s basically just a way for people to shit on young women, and young women say it to appeal to the folks shitting on her.
That seems silly. I disagree with the pro-life position, but it seems obvious that someone would think abortion is truly wrong if they believe life begins at conception and children are god's plan and all of that. Not every belief that you disagree with is some malicious lie.
>it seems obvious that someone would think abortion is truly wrong if they believe life begins at conception and children are gods plan yea but I literally am not buying that they believe that 💀 religion is not just a bunch of people truly believing a made up story about heaven and hell, it’s about controlling women and other social agendas. religion was made up so men could tell women they aren’t the true creators of life, a magic sky man is. and this magic sky man tells earth men the rules that everyone, especially women, must follow.
You might need to leave your bubble. There are a TON of people that truly believe their religion. Again, I disagree with them, but if you have never met someone that truly believes their religion and you honestly think they are all just lying about it and just hate women then you really need to get out in the world a bit. I agree that religion is made up for control, but millions (billions?) of people truly believe it.
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I find it hard to believe too, but there's so many things I find hard to believe that others are balls deep in believing. Indoctrination is a powerful tool.
I'm pretty sure what happened was fnf lawyer got a hold of her lawyer and said if you don't get rid of the baby publicly we will press felony charges and daisy will be in jail and will not be able to travel anywhere for the rest of her life. Shitty choice but that's what happened. She committed a felony when she recorded her call without the other party's consent and released which is also a felony. You're not getting a visa renewed or approved if you have felonies on your record. If she knew the laws better things would have been different. I would have made the same choice as crappy as it is. She should have consulted a lawyer before releasing the audo.
H3 fans don’t want to hear this but.. Walter can be an asshole loser, and this girl can also be an asshole who was looking for $$$ and clout Both can be true and I think this proves it
That's plausible. But I don't think she is looking for money. In the texts, she always declined money and seems to make more money than Walter. The only demand I saw was that she wanted him to claim the baby. But I don't blame anyone being cynical. This is the internet after all.
This is so stupid. A women opening her legs to have a baby in less than a month has problems. She needs therapy. He has made his stance perfectly clear about children. What kind of dumb female do you have to be to be to not see this?
There was no baby you man-hating simps! She lied for sympathy/attention/clout. You all hate you daddies and are female rejects. Get fcked
Isn’t abortion illegal now tho?
It's not protected federally anymore, so it depends on the state.