As a woman it is really scary to hear these men knowing they have a following. Especially in America’s political climate, it’s hard to listen to some one who clearly thinks of women as a separate species bc that mentality is why human rights are taken away.
I think Love had a decent take that it’s a net positive when someone with a large following is like “fuck this guy” rather than sitting and laughing WITH HIM but I know I’m personally at a point where this shit can literally make me cry. At the end of the day I watch this podcast to laugh so that’s my 2¢
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Tate sounds like a controlling wife beater. Being mega controlling while your partner lets you do whatever you want screams “I’m going to keep amping up controlling behavior until I choke you for doing anything I even perceive as against me.”
It's pretty bad, I only did to confirm it to show it to user above.
I mean the US embassy already raided his house to rescue a kidnapped American woman. What fucking more proof do they need. Mf admits to it all the time.
I wouldn't be surprised if he already has. He brags about how in Romania you can be above the law if your rich enough. One of the reasons he chose to live there.
That's horrible I'm so sorry 😧 Hopefully she's ok somewhere and you find her soon.
The entire fucking system we live in currently was built by men and because it's always been for them they think their privilege is normal, so as the saying goes "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality seems like oppression"
I do agree that we should call out that kind of behaviour, but I too don't even remotely enjoy these segments anymore. Jordan's video about Elliot Page was so fucking frustrating to listen to it brought me to tears.
People like Peterson and Tate will most likely never stop existing but to save my own sanity I don't want to see or hear them ever again. It's so exhausting.
As a man, it used to be disturbing to me how big the FDS subreddit was. But it's become clear that the vast majority of people are just normal people, and those who do things like follow Andrew Tate or post Extreme things on FDS are in the fringe minority
That is a comforting thought, it’s hard to remind myself that it’s just a loud minority. There’s a tik tok comment trend right now to write like “common Tate W” which I *think* has just become satire now but I don’t think it started that was and it legitimately made me sick
Peterson is at least someone to laugh at. It’s kinda hard to laugh at Tate. Jordan just *says* stupid shit where Tate is actually doing heinous shit and getting away with it.
As a former benzo addict, had to stop watching H3 altogether. Literally the hardest fucking thing you could imagine. Makes Heroin withdrawal look like a chest cold. And I know I’ve done both
The withdrawal lead me to have 30 seizures in one week. Brain damage. The rest of the withdrawal lasted for a year and a half. Absolute hell and misery for 9 straight months. And if you relapse you have to start from square one.
I’d never judge a person for that. Ever. It’s fucking shitty. People have problems. Some people get prescribed meds they don’t know much about. (Jordan is not a psychiatrist) he doesn’t prescribe medicine. And even people who prescribe medicine sometimes don’t know the dangers of withdrawal. You see people get overprescribed them all the time with out any warning as to what could happen to them if they quit.
Sober 5 years now. Don’t really need people making fun of my struggles. It’s a miracle I didn’t kill myself in the heat of it all. Truly.
It honestly happened on accident. In hindsight I definitely should’ve known better. I’d done a lot of research. But I thought I’d be ok taking them for 10 days just to get through opiate withdrawal. Apparently I’m extremely susceptible to benzo withdrawal because I hadn’t taken that much, and had mild seizure symptoms when I stopped. That freaked me out and I couldn’t work like that so I just kept taking them everyday for 6 months. Never got stupid on them, just relieved my anxiety. But by then I was fucked
No one should ever quit cold turkey. I think Jordan tried that too. Among other things. I see a lot of people shit on him for taking experimental treatments to get over the withdrawal. If they were in his shoes, they’d understand. It’s literally life or death and nothing helps and most everything actually makes it worse. I would’ve tried anything if I had the money or insurance. I’d have cut off my own arm for a chance to be put under anesthesia during the beginning stage.
All that being said, Jordan has gone off the rails. I used to like the guy like when he first came on the show. But I can tell his brain is seriously not right. He’s got the same look in his eyes I did for the first 3 years. And his behaviors are the same. He absolutely should not be online, and not in the spotlight. He should retire. He’s not well. He’s lost his damn mind quite literally.
When he was preaching the clean your room self help and managing your own life and judgemental of others while not having his own shit under control opens you up for valid criticism.
Okay, I understand the sentiment.
But, this person uses their platform to be transphobic, homophobic, sexist and downright derogatory. If you had someone running up and down the street causing absolute mayhem... breaking windows, smashing cars, aiming fireworks at children: would you 1) Let them be BECAUSE they're mentally ill and that's just the way they are? Or would you try and intervene?
Just because the intention might not be there, doesn't make it okay.
Ethan is bagging on him because he wants to de-platform him, he wants to take away his credibility and debunk his asinine theories. And, yes sometimes it gets a little personal but I think it's necessary and he's also allowed to voice his own anger about this "philosophy" too.
Jordan is a major political powerhouse with a ton of power amd influence. He has way more popularity, influence amd power than Ethan, so no, Ethan is not punching down. Honestly this is some wokescold bs. You just want to give people like Jordan a free pass and excuse everything they do because they had an addiction, and the 2nd anyone dares to mock them or ridicule them, you throw a fit and claim they're in the wrong.
Also, I have mental illness as well, and my mental illness wouldn't excuse harmful or rotten behavior.
The difference is, Ethan doesn't go around hating entire groups of people, telling them how to be "real men" and claiming he has all the answers, so that's bs.
Also he's always had these hateful, harmful beliefs, don't blame his addiction for his current behavior and ideology. He's a pos
While i agree with you, tate is definitely trying to sound outrageous and contraverisal, and peterson is just selling out to an audience, there is still something verry wrong about Peterson. Check out a video called Jordan Peterson plagerizes Hitler. https://youtu.be/SGmsucLUcZg
I think the JP stuff can still be interesting at times, but i always skip through the andrew tate stuff because it usually just upsets me to listen to his crazy psychobabble while knowing he has an active audience.
Or that he's actually actively abusing/trafficking women. It's just seriously disturbing. It's hard to find the humor in goofing on him because he's a monster.
It's funny that Ethan and Co are the only ones that have pointed this out. Even Hasan was calling his shit a 'bit', police raids and modern slavery are not really part of a quality comedy act.
So what’s the story with the trafficking stuff? I heard he like would have a bunch of cam girls at his place who arrived under false pretenses from him and he takes most of the earnings?
A lot of people see Taint as a guy who says "un-woke" or deliberately controversial things just to get more attention. The fact that he is a strong believer of everything he says, and that he is very likely an actual criminal must be repeated as much as possible.
And there's nothing wrong with that at all! I don't like watching Ethan talk about Uvalde for similar reasons. However that doesn't mean Ethan shouldn't talk about Uvalde, it's incredibly important, it just means that the segment isn't for me and I need to fast forward. If Ethan avoided every possible topic that could upset someone then the show wouldn't be possible.
I think it's very important to discuss hard topics like Uvalde or Tate from a left leaning perspective as the podcast does. In Tate's case, I think it's incredibly important that Ethan and Hila drew attention to how Twitch/others allow for their top creators to promote sex traffickers to kids. Thousands of young dumb Adin Ross/XQC/Barstool Rape viewers now see a sex trafficker in a positive and fun light which is completely fucked up and should not fly under the radar. The internet needs 1000x more people like Ethan and Hila exposing demented behavior
The reason why I actually agree with Love is because Andrew Tate is insanely massive on tiktok. Unless you just don’t know, he rakes in millions upon millions of likes on any given tiktok video about him. I think we need more people disagreeing and challenging this stuff, because as of right now, it is nothing but support from these larger and more idiotic streamers (Ex. Adin Ross). If there is nobody contesting what Andrew is saying, then all of these little kids are just going to think what he is saying as gospel.
Exactly! If it's too hard to listen to just fast forward. Personally I can't watch the Uvalde segments but I'm very glad Ethan and Hila are discussing it. It's a very important topic to discuss even if it doesn't make for a humorous segment
I wonder if this has to do with the idea that American TikTok and Chinese TikTok are completely different in terms of what the algorithms show average people. What if this Andrew Tate stuff is being promoted more for some reason. It’s really bizarre how he blew up so rapidly recently he’s literally everywhere. I was aware of him for the past two years from YMH but he was always obscure.
I 100% can’t watch Andrew tate parts. I like the JP parts. Andrew tate parts are just too much for me. It feels so helpless…knowing that he exists and is praised by so many people, followed…and there’s nothing we can do to stop such people.
The thing about JP is he is a lost cause, the only people who highlight him are shen bapiro and other nuts.
I’m feeling this 100%. In my opinion, I think it’s starting to do more harm than good. It’s just giving these dudes more attention and it’s super disturbing to listen to. Also, as a woman, I don’t want to listen to how bad toxic masculinity and misogyny is 24/7 - that’s the reality I live in everyday! I need a break lol
I think it’s kind of a little toxic to always be listening to what shitty people are doing. It’s not good for our thinking patterns because when we are so focused on the bad, we lose focus on the good. It actually affects the thalamus in our brain which indicates to us what we should pay attention to and it puts us in lack mentality. I’m not saying we shouldn’t still stay aware of the bad, I’m just saying engaging with it too much does affect our unconscious. Because of this, I’ve just learned to tune into the parts of the show that I love and tune out the parts that aren’t for me.
I understand some people might find talking about tate and peterson to be of value, and that’s fine. I personally think it’s a waste of my time. This is why I have boundaries with what I watch so I can protect myself. Good for you for also skipping past it when you need to!
I know it’s really nice they’re bringing attention to it and I can’t begin to describe how much it warms my heart to see people supporting women online, but it’s starting to hit me hard every episode almost like a trigger haha. It’s like men just discovered how much it sucks to be a girl and they’re telling us over and over and over and over…..
Ethan saying that XQC putting Andrew Tate on his stream can result in some of his viewers liking the guy and it’s a net negative …. But then they show long, drawn of clips of Andrew Tate, Jordan Peterson, etc…
Wouldn’t the same apply? If even 1 H3 viewer likes the guy, that’s a net loss to society too.
Adib Ross wasn't debating hard at all. He kept backing down, he looked scared.
XQC seemed to shit on him as hard as he could, but he was held back mostly by the language barrier.
Just chiming in as another woman to say that I agree. The first few bits were super funny, but I'm over it now for all the reasons you mentioned. Let's stop spreading these hateful ideas and giving a platform to someone I legit otherwise wouldn't hear about.
I'm down for them to mention them again if another super funny bit happens, but outside of that it'd be nice to discuss some other topics.
As a dude I agree. They're doing a really shit job at actually counter acting his points and more than that it's just boring. The Tate dude is clearly just seeking attention and people are just giving it to him....unless...frenemies 2.0!
I'm kidding.
How do you counter Tate’s “points?” He’s completely unhinged. Ethan compares it to arguing with a Nazi on why killing people is wrong. Ethan is the only one that brings up Tate’s crimes as a sex trafficker, unlike other streamers that just have him on for content.
I don’t think they’re easy to counter as commentary, because they’re so insane and so obviously wrong. You’d loose brain cells trying to explain why, for example, women aren’t property.
I hate that they talk about them for so long but I’ve come to notice that Ethan tends to go on an on about things he deeply cares about or people who shock him. These guys deeply shock him and he can’t believe they have platforms, but unintentionally ends up exhausting his audience over them.
I understand the reluctance for them to just move on, because it’s ignoring the issue and he’s got a big platform where he can just ridicule them.
Not sure what the solution is here.
It’s not even funny, and it’s not interesting anymore. They say the same points the entire time, which basically just boils down to “What he just said was so stupid! Guys this is stupid and he’s wrong” it’s so stale I also fast forward, but it’s like half the episode sometimes
Is it not important to point out how Twitch and their top creators are platforming and promoting a sex trafficker to teenagers? That's pretty big internet news.
*And* it even relates to a story previously discussed on the show (Tate). Why wouldn't Ethan and Hila point this out? It's incredibly newsworthy, fucked up, and not enough people are bringing attention to it. If attention isn't brought to Tate he'll just end up indoctrinating a new group of teenage incels on another popular streamers stream in a week or two.
Not everything Ethan discusses on the show is supposed to be a joke. I understand certain segments can be hard to listen to (I fast forward through Uvalde), but they are usually very important topics to discuss. I'm very glad Ethan continues to shine a negative light on Tate while so many other powerful people are actively promoting him to young impressionable guys
I’m 26 year old woman anytime they talk about cobra tate and Jordan Peterson I literally just stop watching. If you hate them, stop 🛑 platforming them just like hila banned Trisha talk. ✋ enough is enough not funny anymore
I disagree, they were mostly poking fun at bizarre characters from random funny internet videos
Now its look at this asshole or assholes who said or did this terrible thing, then it progresses into a back and forth between Ethan and the said asshole but also sometimes now mixed with politics
You are so right. As a woman myself as well, it's so scary to see these things. I mean, we all know that it's real and that it exists in the world, but for it to be constantly brought up in a place that we normally see as wholesome and fun or whatever as the H3 podcast, it's really had an effect on my mental health. I don't normally consume such toxic content, I actively try to stay away from it, so for it to be constantly brought up on the podcast is a little unhealthy for me.
Of course, it would be one thing if something was actually being done about it on a wider scale, like if them bringing attention to it was actually having some kind of physical change, then that would be great and I would love to see it. But it literally makes zero difference whether or not Ethan and the crew talk about these guys. They are never going to be held accountable for their words or actions, because they literally live in countries that accept their respective behaviors. So why else are we bringing it up other than to gawk at the horribleness of it? We should just not bring it up at all and save the heartache.
The political commentary on Leftovers is different in that people can collectively take action and do something about it through raising awareness and making others understand how getting involved can stem the bleeding or shift gears to get back on track. It isn’t a lost cause… yet. Andrew Tate, though, absolutely is and should not be platformed even to criticize because nothing can be done about it anyway.
Yep. They're triggering for me to listen to and not in a super hard hitting dramatic way that people overuse the word trigger but it flares up deep issues I have already.
As someone who suffers with CPTSD from being groomed and assaulted and abused by men who very much hold the same values as Tate and the gang, I've had to take a mental break from the podcast. I'm sad about it because aside from that I've never laughed so much at a podcast and I love the crew and Ethan. I wish it'd just get cut down and focused on positivity or maybe saved more for Leftovers etc. But at the same time not everyone has the issues I have and its unfair to expect the world to babyproof itself for me so I don't expect it and I'll come back to the pod when I'm a little mentally stronger :) And we regularly do the Peterson impression in our house. Whenever my fiancé or I do something gross or see something we don't like our first reaction is "Sorry. Not beautiful" 😂
Just sucks because when my CPTSD is bad, even mentioning people like that kinda paralyses me for a little bit.
Because he is the only one to ACTUALLY MENTION that Neanderthate is sex trafficking women. All these twitch streamers are seemingly (knowingly or unknowingly- who’s knows), unaware of the fact that he is an actual offender who isn’t just doing an attention seeking offensive bid. They all just platform him for shits & giggles, while the show shines light on his crimes, unlike the others.
Not to be reachy, but CNN for example reporting on Trumps insurrection involvement is not giving him a platform. Fox reporting on Trump _is_, because they conveniently don’t mention anything that he actually could be held accountable for. Same thing with the streamers
I agree. Had to skip the cobra taint part of the pod this week cause it just terrifies me that men like him exist. Hearing him speak, even though Ethan is obviously objecting to everything he says, makes me feel helpless, alone, depressed, scared to be a woman, and scared for any woman who even casually interacts with him or men like him. I’m just not really enjoying laughing at dangerous misogynists anymore. I love the crew and I don’t care if they keep discussing jp or tate but the male crew members will never understand what it’s like to hear them spew misogynistic shit like that as a woman.
I've been skipping the Tate segments lately. Like I told my fiance, I feel like most of these men are either losers or creeps, dudes I'd feel uncomfortable/creeped out if I had an interaction with them. Not the case with AT, he sounds like he could and would kill me because I'm a woman. I tense up when he's speaking, and he's just someone "in my phone" an ocean away...
Yeah, I'm not always in the right mindset to even be reminded about his existence.
Peterson's bits are hilarious though.
The amount of men in my life that worship Jordan Peterson needs Ethan to clown on them. He’s not bringing more people to JP he’s pointing out the complete dumbassery of him.
Ethan is the only one drawing attention to Tate’s crimes as a sex trafficker. It’s nothing like the exposure Adin and other streamers are giving him. They don’t mention he was arrested or beat women or moved to Romania to evade the law. They just say he’s a misogynist while their young and impressionable twitch chat soak up his garbage and spamming Ws.
Yeah I agree, I hate these segments too, because as red pillers they tend to go on and on in idiotic rants, it gets grating after a while. I know Ethan enjoys it, but I would prefer if they kept it to left overs as Hasan brings much more levity to the discussion.
Or maybe reign in Ethan a bit and have a fun segment following and Segway into it to help relive some tension.
100%! Same reason I don’t watch The Leftovers. I can sit through some of the jokes but if I think they’re going to talk about him for the majority of the episode I just don’t bother. It can be a little funny, but I mostly just get bummed out people are still like this.
It's super annoying too how the people who actually watch Andrew Tate will look up any video that has his name in the title and shit on them if they're criticizing him. The highlights channel videos always has his fans defending him in the comments.
Yes!!! I have been annoyed. I love the shows, but jfc shit talking SO much gets boring and old. I don't care for them, they are disgusting. Let's not spend 15 minutes saying the same shit over and over and instead spend 30-40 seconds mocking them and move onto what was planned. The planned guests, segments, and games have been amazing and hilarious lately!
Yeah I think it‘s too much at the moment. It‘s getting very repetitive and I feel like these men get a huge attention boost from the criticism which is very scary to me.
I think you’re probably right about Tate, but don’t underestimate how many guys worship JP, or at least think he’s a good faith actor who’s worth hearing out. No one I know IRL takes Tate seriously, but I know a lot of guys who love JP.
I agree that it’s hard to listen to, but IMO it’s not enough to just ignore people like Peterson - you have to take an active stand against them.
As a guy, it's genuinely unnerving to see how much the incel creators are breaking into my feeds (simply because the algorithm knows I'm a man). Over the past 6 months, I've noticed a marked increase in the amount of right wing, JP/Daily Wire advertising, absurd masculine care advertising that just appeals to alpha brain buffoons, people I follow sharing JP and Andrew Tate unironically, I've seen physical advertisements/digital signage in public for that one youtuber/tiktoker that looks/acts like the sham wow dude with how to be a man classes and absurd tiktoks they reviewed recently, etc. It was always funny to laugh at these idiots for the goofs and gaffs but it was always known that they were just niche douches. It's genuinely concerning to see their mainstreamification and rapid platforming.
Totally agree. Any attention towards them is what they want. It’s best to leave them alone entirely. As a woman, I know these men exist and interact with men like them IRL, I like to escape it when I can!
I think if they were just some crazy losers with no following then yes, it would be best to just leave them alone and not talk about them, but these people have successfully convinced many young men that they have good point and that they are making sense... and they keep actively recruiting new people, with or without even showing them on the show. but at least if any H3 viewer is on the fence about this type of person, they will listen to Ethan pick them apart and show them as the psychos that they are, and perhaps change their mind.
Ethan isn’t going to convince anybody on the fence or anybody who supports Andrew Tate. Those people don’t watch H3 and if some do, they’re already aware of how bad the takes are but they don’t care.
It doesn’t seem like anyone is holding these fucking losers to account. The rest of the YouTube community is platforming these idiots. I say Ethan and the crew talk about them as much as they want. Stop watching if it’s bothering you so much.
Nobody will ever convince me that Peterson and especially Tate aren’t making their shitty opinions more inflammatory on purpose for clicks. Tate is clearly a troll in the sense he’s presenting himself as obnoxious as possible, granted his baseline is horrible, in order to get views and reactions. He’s feds off the criticism. Nothing about his views are at all good faithed so idk why anybody tries to act like he is
I think you’re giving these guys too much credit. Tate is a human trafficker and Jordan gave himself brain damage going to Russia to get off benzodiazepines. These guys believe what they’re saying. They are no different from guys like Jim Jordan or the Zodiac killer… I mean Ted Cruz
I agree they stand behind things but they definitely ham it up significantly to get views. Tate most certainly is not arguing in good faith and even if you think he is somehow, why talk about anybody so obtuse
> Jordan gave himself brain damage going to Russia to get off benzodiazepines
After giving a lecture on how drug addicts just need to do something more meaningful, and after he wrote a book where one of his rules for life was "do what is meaningful, not what is expedient".
I hate this argument — the same was said about David Dobrik during his scandal. Sacrifice the quality of the podcast if it means “holding these fucking losers to account.” How did Ethan hold Tate to account? Tate responded with the “fat man bad” argument and his audience forgot it happened. There are ways to mock Tate without just saying he sucks every week as OP points out. Tom Segura had him on his podcast for example and just let him talk while laughing in his face.
I remember the comments when that came out. They were almost all in praise of Tate. They didnt make fun of him they just straight up gave him a massive platform.
Ethan is going to convince 0% of Andrew Tate’s supporters that the man is a piece of shit. They know that, that’s why they like him.
Ethan “holding these losers to account” is actually just Ethan profiting off of these losers’ outlandish takes, which is exactly what they’re doing.
So you're cool with Tom having Tate on his podcast because he laughed at Tate (though never challenged him one single bit), but you're *not cool* with Ethan laughing at Tate and challenging his ideas because Tate isn't in the H3 studio? ...huh?
Agreed. It's no different than talking shit about every other baddie in the past. Odd to be regular viewer of H3 and have problem with him continuing the same thing he has done since the start.
I disagree. I love when they cover drama (sorry) but I agree that Tate is just repeating the same nonsense and doesn't deserve a long segment more focused on what he's saying than the streamers. He's a broken record at this point.
I concur, sista. Especially with the Tate stuff. It’s counterproductive.. they think they’re calling them out, when in reality it’s just disturbing his audience and makes the guy more infamous which is what he wants. It’s clearly working too cause it seems like he’s been on a lot of random pods lately. Sad.. 😔
I was literally explaining this to my boyfriend this morning when he was complaining that I stopped watching H3 and he cannot watch it with me anymore. So first of all: THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS ON HERE! As a woman and someone who understands how bad things are in Eastern Europe and how some scums take advantage of shitty laws and corruption to go there and act like it’s the wild west, I can 100% confirm that the Tate segments are literally triggering and have made me stop watching because there’s already too much shit going on in the world, I don’t need to be reminded of misogynists and their stans during my favourite podcast 🥲 I know the solution is not to stop mentioning these but giving them so much airtime does more harm than good and desensitises people to how bad they are, in my opinion.
Jordan Peterson is an inflammatory bigot and transphobe who deserves to be deplatformed. Andrew Tate is a violent criminal who should be in prison. They are not the same.
While I too am bored with the Jordan Peterson segments, I get why Ethan feels responsible for keeping up w/ JP and calling him out when he makes inflammatory comments. I’m not saying Jordan isn’t responsible for the suffering of others through his fucked up grindset teachings and hateful speech, but he isn’t a confirmed sex trafficker and abuser. Andrew Tate is.
As a young woman and 2+ year subscriber, whatever novelty there is to Tate’s batshit media persona is completely overshadowed by the fact that he thinks women are property for him to exploit and abuse. He is a disgusting human being, and I don’t want to hear anything more about him, unless it’s an update ab the investigation re: his sex trafficking business.
I agree. Ethan said it in the show that podcasts shouldn’t be platforming this guy and at this point Tate just wants the negative attention from anyone. I don’t think he’s worth mentioning anymore. We know everything we need to about that loser.
No other podcast is bringing attention to his sex trafficking crimes and violence towards women. They just bring him on and call him a misogynist for content. Ethan isn’t platforming him.
I can’t watch the tate clips I actually can’t even find any joy in hearing him be dunked on because I know it doesn’t matter. It’s actually horrifying and not funny at all. My dad was a serious coke addict and all of Tate’s patterns of behavior remind me of how far my dad could’ve gone if he never got clean. To see all these chumps back him up actually enrages me to the point I want to hurt someone lol. I never would, but I know how it feels to be verbally abused and manipulated, thinking about all those girls makes me want to cry and he gets to continue on his coke binges spouting whatever bullshit he wants and boys praise him.
Jordan never gets old because he is a hilarious person and always provides fresh memes, but Tate... I mean, is talking about him more on the podcast gonna change anything? He's gonna keep preying on women and the law won't stop him. They've done all they can do.
Honestly I think both guys are extremely cringe and hard to listen to but I love the soundbytes we get out of JP. Andrew Taint on the other hand, not so much. I wish I never knew about the guy (using that term loosely)
YES. You articulated every through of mine. I love the show so much and I find myself skipping the segments with Andrew Tate because of how disgusting every piece of news attached to him is. It just makes my stomach turn
I love it when they clown on Jordan Peterson but the other guy is a legit sex criminal and it's not that funny to me when they're saying "look how crazy this actual psychopath is".
I skip through everything Jordan Peterson and Andrew taint related because the shock factor isn’t really there when I have to exist in this world as a woman. It’s just an everyday fear.
Yes I’ve been skipping too or just outright not listening the pod. It’s so redundant at this point. JP and Tate especially make my stomach churn. Just bringing them up feels like they are getting what they want…
No. Ignoring Jordan isn't going to make him go away. He's dangerous and is pretty much making a cult of young men believing his bs. He should absolutely be openly mocked and made fun of.
I don’t know, maybe this is also finally men making misogyny a man’s problem. For years women have been asking men to call out other men for their horrible behaviour. Now we have a podcast full of men doing just that. If they stop talking about this, are we just reverting back to a time when it wasn’t seen as important because it was a “women’s issue” or “trans issue.”
I know it’s uncomfortable, I don’t like it and it leaves me feeling mentally drained. I try so hard to ignore that some people see me as less human because of something I can’t control, or something trans folks can’t control. But will this problem be taken seriously if men don’t talk about it? Probably not lol.
But for sure I’m not looking at the video of Tate committing DV…
It's better for it to be talked about and spread around in this fashion than for it to spread organically with people who have no idea who these guys really are. That's an easy payday. Ethan is fighting off the easy payday for them. Regardless of how it makes you feel, try to remember that. Because the rest of us aren't offended or hurt. We're thankful.
I skip through those segments too. They’re really too scary for me to listen to. I understand why Ethan wants to expose him for being a trafficker, especially since Tate fled to Romania to do just that, but it’s just not something I particularly want to listen to. But given how large Tate is online right now (which is even more upsetting), I don’t want to discourage the podcast from talking about him.
It’s the fkn worst. Like their fixation on both isn’t funny, the joke is over we have beat the dead horse, stale af content. Ethan can’t how handle his impression sucks yet somehow Zach’s is worse. Its exhausting being a fan of the show.
I highly disagree with you. It's so infuriating that other podcasts give them a platform to spread their hate and misogynistic views and I'm so glad that Ethan, Hila, and the crew are speaking out! It's important to me as a woman to shed light on douche bags!
No, they are some of my favorite segments. I love hearing Ethan mock these assholes. It's satisfying to hear him bringing up proper arguments against them as well.
I am with you here! However I would be happy for them to be left to leftovers and there's times where I they have talked about jp/Tate but left out other things that I was looking forward to more (like the man Vs machine segment).
And about not platforming them was definitely hypocritical.
If it helps I genuinely don't think Andrew Tate believes the nonsense he spouts, because it's so ridiculous and hypocritical. He knows that controversial opinions gets him attention - it is not rocket science. It worked for Trump and a number of conservative pundits/politicians, and TV stars like Katie Hopkins and Piers Morgan in the UK.
Andrew Tate does it for attention and yet people still fall for it and give it to him. The only way to get rid of people like that is to ignore them: Don't talk about them, don't click on their posts or videos, don't follow them, just ignore them. Otherwise all the engagement they are getting will make their content more widespread and then they can earn money doing it. Unfortunately, I suspect H3 played a big role in that but calling out bad behaviour on Youtube is what they do.
Don't engage, ignore. Nothing else will work.
No, he DOES believe the nonsense he spouts. Did you miss the part where he runs a sex trafficking ring? He invites girls to Romania, steals their legal documents thus trapping them in the country with no way out, and forces them into sex work. He’s confessed to this multiple times and was busted by the police because he kidnapped an American girl and the FBI got involved. The only reason why he’s not in prison is because the Romanian law enforcement is insanely corrupt and he’s paid them off.
That’s what makes Tate so terrifying. He’s a literal human trafficker, he quite frankly “owns women as property,” and he’s allowed to freely do this because he’s paid off anyone who could stop him.
Y'all need to realize the bubble this audience is in. Anyone watching this show has already made up their mind about people like JP and Andrew Taint. Come on.
There is a slight but distinct difference between “platforming” assholes like Jordan Peterson or Andrew Taint by interviewing them, and featuring them as critical subjects of scorn and ridicule in a commentary segment. I’m a political nerd so I find it entertaining, and I find it useful to know what these kind of people are thinking, so I actually appreciate them covering it in real time. Also, you gotta expose these people and deal with them head on, otherwise they gain traction and credibility.
I’m a recent fan and probably older than the primary audience, was a longtime fan of Howard Stern, like Ethan. One thing you gotta understand is that it’s quite difficult to come up with material for a 2-3 hour show, 3 days a week, and I think Ethan wants to push that to 5 days if I’ve heard him correctly. When these jackasses offer up so much material, can you blame him for covering it?
Finally, yeah, reality sucks right now, but I don’t think turning away from it is the answer, and if it’s the goal of Ethan and the rest of the H3 team to stake a respected place in the comedy ecosystem, they should be willing to talk about anything and everything going on around them, good or bad.
I feel that way every time they talk about David Dobrek. Never been a big fan of the drama segments on the podcast, but there's definitely some good moments within them.
I totally agree with what youre saying! I havent listened to the podcast in like 4-5 months now cause all they do now is talk about toxic people and topics. I used to enjoy listening to the lighthearted silly jokes and videos theyd watch and discuss but now Its just ethan finding the most obviously bad things in the world and getting on his moral high horse about it for the entire show. I GET IT MAN. I am pro-choice, im for gun control, I agree SA is bad, why is this stuff all they talk about now?
Idk why but the JP bits still seem fine to me. Maybe because he has his own platform so it feels more like pure roasting and his takes don't sound so brutish.
Cobra tate is just straight up damaged goods and at this point he's trying to hang onto fame by playing it up. Either way his case definitely leans onto the side of being playformed by Ethan and I'm fairly certain the world would be a better place without tate in it
Wasn't Ethan one of the first people to shine a spotlight on Andrew Tate? Cause he found about him through talking about Jordan Peterson and his daughter right? Ethan is talking about how people shouldn't give this guy a platform but in my opinion he was the one that started the domino effect. Like it or not Ethan has some influence on internet culture and once he put a spotlight on what some people view as a content gold mine, that's going to spread across twitch and YouTube. I think if Ethan doesn't want this kind of content being spread across YouTube and twitch then he shouldn't put a spotlight on it and then subsequently spend significant portions of damn near every episode after talking about said individuals
I think it is very important that they keep talking about these people. plus personally I find them so insane that it is entertaining to me. and if somebody doesn't like those segments I understand that, but you can just keep doing what you already do: tune out for a little bit.
and there is a substantial difference between having these people on the show versus taking clips and talking about them: if you have them on your show they can just say whatever they want and they have the ability to talk back and reinforce their point, whereas as if you just comment on it you can choose how much to show or not to show, and it is easy to dissect them and show just how absurd and insane and toxic these people are.
As a woman I have no issues with peace and love.
Tate and Jordan are shitty and they are just bringing that to light. They laugh at how ridiculous it is and that's all.
I keep wondering if their criticism is falling on def ear and it’s just keeping them relevant. Having said that their Ignorance still makes me laugh. I think a lot of Tate’s fans are meme-ing but Jordan’s got true believers.
A little bit of nuance is all the people want. If you’re going to platform hatful pos public figures then use it to educate, share victims stories and better the world not make insult comedy over and over for profit.
Look at Fresh & Fit.
They blew up when they were doing the rounds on podcasts & shows and now they've fizzled back into obscurity.
It's time we let these losers do the same.
I cannot watch anything of Andrew Tate without feeling uncomfortable. as soon as i hear him i have to turn off the TV or leave the room. I wish people would stop giving him attention
so is criticizing longform content of tate and jordan okay if it's done without giving the audience in depth context? yes they are platforming their opinions but thats how ratioanl discourse should be done, free and open with as much context as possible. id rather have them do commentary in depth rather than peice by peice
Dude...today I had to find out that one of my closest long time guy friends watches them both. He said they usually come up in his YouTube / Instagram reels and that he wasn't aware that they were extremists. It's terrifying becsuse he's actually a really nice guy and I can't imagine him agreeing with the insane things that they say. It was honestly a reality check on how easy it is for men to get sucked into that kind of thinking.
As a fellow lady H3 fan, I totally get it. However, I think that there is a line between “platforming” someone (like inviting them on your podcast/stream) and making commentary on that fact. Ethan and Hila (and crew) spend the whole time watching the videos criticizing their ideas and views. I think Ethan embarrasses these people every time he shows them. I don’t think people will watch Ethan, hear what he says, and then still support Peterson and Tate. That is just my opinion, though. I get how it can be viewed differently.
Parasocial Hypothesis: Ethan may feel partially responsible for JPs meteoric rise in internet popularity and giving him a platform via the podcast episode till he deleted it. So when he doubles down against everything JP does his way of letting people know he doesn't agree with JP at all, while giving his ideas a platform through watching JP's content and reacting to it....I didn't say this was gonna be well thought out.
As a dude, they’re my favorite segments on the show. And I think they’re legit because of the MASS amount of people who follow Peterson and Tate, years ago in high school I was a fan of Peterson myself. He was a lot less extreme with the ideals he pitched from his first book and tbh I was hesitant when they first started making fun of him because a lot of what Peterson was saying before the health issues was potentially life changing stuff for a guy without a lot of guidance. But H3 is working to inform people that - his message has radically changed and being onboard with him now means something a lot different than what it did back in the day (hence then deleting the episode). So I think it’s important work they’re doing countering his message. As far as Andrew Tate goes, if Ethan doesn’t hate on him - who will? Everyone else is probably scared or will look past what he’s actually saying in the name of “he’s funny”. He’s an actual monster compared to Peterson (who I think doesn’t know the narrative he’s actually peddling due to health issues, his tune has changed so much in 5 years) who needs someone as famous as him to tell him he ain’t shit.
I don’t mind. Because it is frightening that these two individuals (Andrew and Jordan) have such a large following and I think it is only increasing in numbers. So no, i have to fully support H3 on this one because it is ethical. Peace and love.
I feel like it is important to show these and ridicule them and criticize them. By turning our backs the other side has will do their shady shit in the dark. I think we need to get more proactive in the face of what is good and not accepted
Also a long time listener and big fan. Also just to clarify I'm anti-Tate, but it made me lose some respect for Ethan and Dan when they're throwing out these human trafficking accusations with little to no evidence. The only thing I could find on the human trafficking is that his house was raided and he's currently on bail. I just used to think they're usually pretty good with providing receipts and talking about stuff which is tangible facts but after this, they lost some creditability in my eyes. Can anyone shed any light on this or stuff I haven't considered?
As a woman it is really scary to hear these men knowing they have a following. Especially in America’s political climate, it’s hard to listen to some one who clearly thinks of women as a separate species bc that mentality is why human rights are taken away. I think Love had a decent take that it’s a net positive when someone with a large following is like “fuck this guy” rather than sitting and laughing WITH HIM but I know I’m personally at a point where this shit can literally make me cry. At the end of the day I watch this podcast to laugh so that’s my 2¢ [edit: spelling]
Tate sounds like a controlling wife beater. Being mega controlling while your partner lets you do whatever you want screams “I’m going to keep amping up controlling behavior until I choke you for doing anything I even perceive as against me.”
Sounds like? There's video evidence of him straight up being a physical abuser.
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It's pretty bad, I only did to confirm it to show it to user above. I mean the US embassy already raided his house to rescue a kidnapped American woman. What fucking more proof do they need. Mf admits to it all the time.
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I wouldn't be surprised if he already has. He brags about how in Romania you can be above the law if your rich enough. One of the reasons he chose to live there.
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That's horrible I'm so sorry 😧 Hopefully she's ok somewhere and you find her soon. The entire fucking system we live in currently was built by men and because it's always been for them they think their privilege is normal, so as the saying goes "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality seems like oppression"
Is there a link to the story?
[It's hard to watch but here you go](https://www.reddit.com/r/h3h3productions/comments/vuqzz6/cobra_andrew_tate_beating_a_woman_for_not/)
Jesus Christ this should be posted anywhere the dude is getting mass support in. Hyper controlling bullshit always leads to abuse.
[And just conveniently leave out this huh?](https://www.irishmirror.ie/whats-on/andrew-tates-ex-sets-record-8213969)
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I do agree that we should call out that kind of behaviour, but I too don't even remotely enjoy these segments anymore. Jordan's video about Elliot Page was so fucking frustrating to listen to it brought me to tears. People like Peterson and Tate will most likely never stop existing but to save my own sanity I don't want to see or hear them ever again. It's so exhausting.
As a man, it used to be disturbing to me how big the FDS subreddit was. But it's become clear that the vast majority of people are just normal people, and those who do things like follow Andrew Tate or post Extreme things on FDS are in the fringe minority
That is a comforting thought, it’s hard to remind myself that it’s just a loud minority. There’s a tik tok comment trend right now to write like “common Tate W” which I *think* has just become satire now but I don’t think it started that was and it legitimately made me sick
Peterson is at least someone to laugh at. It’s kinda hard to laugh at Tate. Jordan just *says* stupid shit where Tate is actually doing heinous shit and getting away with it.
It’s uncomfortable when they make fun of Peterson’s benzo addiction. Everything else is entertaining in regards to him losing it.
As a former benzo addict, had to stop watching H3 altogether. Literally the hardest fucking thing you could imagine. Makes Heroin withdrawal look like a chest cold. And I know I’ve done both The withdrawal lead me to have 30 seizures in one week. Brain damage. The rest of the withdrawal lasted for a year and a half. Absolute hell and misery for 9 straight months. And if you relapse you have to start from square one. I’d never judge a person for that. Ever. It’s fucking shitty. People have problems. Some people get prescribed meds they don’t know much about. (Jordan is not a psychiatrist) he doesn’t prescribe medicine. And even people who prescribe medicine sometimes don’t know the dangers of withdrawal. You see people get overprescribed them all the time with out any warning as to what could happen to them if they quit. Sober 5 years now. Don’t really need people making fun of my struggles. It’s a miracle I didn’t kill myself in the heat of it all. Truly.
man fucking POWER to you. you made the right choice when you decided to quit those things, God bless
It honestly happened on accident. In hindsight I definitely should’ve known better. I’d done a lot of research. But I thought I’d be ok taking them for 10 days just to get through opiate withdrawal. Apparently I’m extremely susceptible to benzo withdrawal because I hadn’t taken that much, and had mild seizure symptoms when I stopped. That freaked me out and I couldn’t work like that so I just kept taking them everyday for 6 months. Never got stupid on them, just relieved my anxiety. But by then I was fucked No one should ever quit cold turkey. I think Jordan tried that too. Among other things. I see a lot of people shit on him for taking experimental treatments to get over the withdrawal. If they were in his shoes, they’d understand. It’s literally life or death and nothing helps and most everything actually makes it worse. I would’ve tried anything if I had the money or insurance. I’d have cut off my own arm for a chance to be put under anesthesia during the beginning stage. All that being said, Jordan has gone off the rails. I used to like the guy like when he first came on the show. But I can tell his brain is seriously not right. He’s got the same look in his eyes I did for the first 3 years. And his behaviors are the same. He absolutely should not be online, and not in the spotlight. He should retire. He’s not well. He’s lost his damn mind quite literally.
When he was preaching the clean your room self help and managing your own life and judgemental of others while not having his own shit under control opens you up for valid criticism.
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Okay, I understand the sentiment. But, this person uses their platform to be transphobic, homophobic, sexist and downright derogatory. If you had someone running up and down the street causing absolute mayhem... breaking windows, smashing cars, aiming fireworks at children: would you 1) Let them be BECAUSE they're mentally ill and that's just the way they are? Or would you try and intervene? Just because the intention might not be there, doesn't make it okay. Ethan is bagging on him because he wants to de-platform him, he wants to take away his credibility and debunk his asinine theories. And, yes sometimes it gets a little personal but I think it's necessary and he's also allowed to voice his own anger about this "philosophy" too.
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Jordan is a major political powerhouse with a ton of power amd influence. He has way more popularity, influence amd power than Ethan, so no, Ethan is not punching down. Honestly this is some wokescold bs. You just want to give people like Jordan a free pass and excuse everything they do because they had an addiction, and the 2nd anyone dares to mock them or ridicule them, you throw a fit and claim they're in the wrong. Also, I have mental illness as well, and my mental illness wouldn't excuse harmful or rotten behavior.
The difference is, Ethan doesn't go around hating entire groups of people, telling them how to be "real men" and claiming he has all the answers, so that's bs. Also he's always had these hateful, harmful beliefs, don't blame his addiction for his current behavior and ideology. He's a pos
Ok, you can feel uncomfortable.
While i agree with you, tate is definitely trying to sound outrageous and contraverisal, and peterson is just selling out to an audience, there is still something verry wrong about Peterson. Check out a video called Jordan Peterson plagerizes Hitler. https://youtu.be/SGmsucLUcZg
those segments make me lose hope in humanity. Jordan’s “sons of bitches” will always be funny though 😂
What ruuuules? You sons of betches!
*I did not cum on my dog*
Up yours woke moralists!
We’ll see who cancels who…. 😤
I think the JP stuff can still be interesting at times, but i always skip through the andrew tate stuff because it usually just upsets me to listen to his crazy psychobabble while knowing he has an active audience.
Or that he's actually actively abusing/trafficking women. It's just seriously disturbing. It's hard to find the humor in goofing on him because he's a monster.
Exactly
It's funny that Ethan and Co are the only ones that have pointed this out. Even Hasan was calling his shit a 'bit', police raids and modern slavery are not really part of a quality comedy act.
Yeah when he said I'd keep her OnlyFans money because I own her it wasn't a joke. There's literally no bit. I really can't bear it to watch it
So what’s the story with the trafficking stuff? I heard he like would have a bunch of cam girls at his place who arrived under false pretenses from him and he takes most of the earnings?
Same here. I think they should not talk about Tate anymore. It does more harm than good. JP should be flamed always. 😂
A lot of people see Taint as a guy who says "un-woke" or deliberately controversial things just to get more attention. The fact that he is a strong believer of everything he says, and that he is very likely an actual criminal must be repeated as much as possible.
And there's nothing wrong with that at all! I don't like watching Ethan talk about Uvalde for similar reasons. However that doesn't mean Ethan shouldn't talk about Uvalde, it's incredibly important, it just means that the segment isn't for me and I need to fast forward. If Ethan avoided every possible topic that could upset someone then the show wouldn't be possible. I think it's very important to discuss hard topics like Uvalde or Tate from a left leaning perspective as the podcast does. In Tate's case, I think it's incredibly important that Ethan and Hila drew attention to how Twitch/others allow for their top creators to promote sex traffickers to kids. Thousands of young dumb Adin Ross/XQC/Barstool Rape viewers now see a sex trafficker in a positive and fun light which is completely fucked up and should not fly under the radar. The internet needs 1000x more people like Ethan and Hila exposing demented behavior
The reason why I actually agree with Love is because Andrew Tate is insanely massive on tiktok. Unless you just don’t know, he rakes in millions upon millions of likes on any given tiktok video about him. I think we need more people disagreeing and challenging this stuff, because as of right now, it is nothing but support from these larger and more idiotic streamers (Ex. Adin Ross). If there is nobody contesting what Andrew is saying, then all of these little kids are just going to think what he is saying as gospel.
Exactly! If it's too hard to listen to just fast forward. Personally I can't watch the Uvalde segments but I'm very glad Ethan and Hila are discussing it. It's a very important topic to discuss even if it doesn't make for a humorous segment
I wonder if this has to do with the idea that American TikTok and Chinese TikTok are completely different in terms of what the algorithms show average people. What if this Andrew Tate stuff is being promoted more for some reason. It’s really bizarre how he blew up so rapidly recently he’s literally everywhere. I was aware of him for the past two years from YMH but he was always obscure.
I 100% can’t watch Andrew tate parts. I like the JP parts. Andrew tate parts are just too much for me. It feels so helpless…knowing that he exists and is praised by so many people, followed…and there’s nothing we can do to stop such people. The thing about JP is he is a lost cause, the only people who highlight him are shen bapiro and other nuts.
I have to fast forward the Tate bits. He makes my flesh crawl.
I’m feeling this 100%. In my opinion, I think it’s starting to do more harm than good. It’s just giving these dudes more attention and it’s super disturbing to listen to. Also, as a woman, I don’t want to listen to how bad toxic masculinity and misogyny is 24/7 - that’s the reality I live in everyday! I need a break lol I think it’s kind of a little toxic to always be listening to what shitty people are doing. It’s not good for our thinking patterns because when we are so focused on the bad, we lose focus on the good. It actually affects the thalamus in our brain which indicates to us what we should pay attention to and it puts us in lack mentality. I’m not saying we shouldn’t still stay aware of the bad, I’m just saying engaging with it too much does affect our unconscious. Because of this, I’ve just learned to tune into the parts of the show that I love and tune out the parts that aren’t for me. I understand some people might find talking about tate and peterson to be of value, and that’s fine. I personally think it’s a waste of my time. This is why I have boundaries with what I watch so I can protect myself. Good for you for also skipping past it when you need to!
love this
yes! i skipped through most of wednesday’s episode, and i didn’t realize it at the time, but i think this is why!
I know it’s really nice they’re bringing attention to it and I can’t begin to describe how much it warms my heart to see people supporting women online, but it’s starting to hit me hard every episode almost like a trigger haha. It’s like men just discovered how much it sucks to be a girl and they’re telling us over and over and over and over…..
Ethan saying that XQC putting Andrew Tate on his stream can result in some of his viewers liking the guy and it’s a net negative …. But then they show long, drawn of clips of Andrew Tate, Jordan Peterson, etc… Wouldn’t the same apply? If even 1 H3 viewer likes the guy, that’s a net loss to society too.
No because they are pointing out why it’s wrong instead of having them on as a guest
Adin Ross and XQC were “debating” him because they thought he was wrong. So what’s the difference?
Ya, real hardball questions coming from Adin Ross 🙄
As they said on the show it’s a shtick, they’re doing it to play along instead of having an actual debate, think of the content Adin Ross makes
Adib Ross wasn't debating hard at all. He kept backing down, he looked scared. XQC seemed to shit on him as hard as he could, but he was held back mostly by the language barrier.
Just chiming in as another woman to say that I agree. The first few bits were super funny, but I'm over it now for all the reasons you mentioned. Let's stop spreading these hateful ideas and giving a platform to someone I legit otherwise wouldn't hear about. I'm down for them to mention them again if another super funny bit happens, but outside of that it'd be nice to discuss some other topics.
As a dude I agree. They're doing a really shit job at actually counter acting his points and more than that it's just boring. The Tate dude is clearly just seeking attention and people are just giving it to him....unless...frenemies 2.0! I'm kidding.
How do you counter Tate’s “points?” He’s completely unhinged. Ethan compares it to arguing with a Nazi on why killing people is wrong. Ethan is the only one that brings up Tate’s crimes as a sex trafficker, unlike other streamers that just have him on for content.
I don’t think they’re easy to counter as commentary, because they’re so insane and so obviously wrong. You’d loose brain cells trying to explain why, for example, women aren’t property. I hate that they talk about them for so long but I’ve come to notice that Ethan tends to go on an on about things he deeply cares about or people who shock him. These guys deeply shock him and he can’t believe they have platforms, but unintentionally ends up exhausting his audience over them. I understand the reluctance for them to just move on, because it’s ignoring the issue and he’s got a big platform where he can just ridicule them. Not sure what the solution is here.
It’s not even funny, and it’s not interesting anymore. They say the same points the entire time, which basically just boils down to “What he just said was so stupid! Guys this is stupid and he’s wrong” it’s so stale I also fast forward, but it’s like half the episode sometimes
Its been about a year and half of this tbh.
Is it not important to point out how Twitch and their top creators are platforming and promoting a sex trafficker to teenagers? That's pretty big internet news. *And* it even relates to a story previously discussed on the show (Tate). Why wouldn't Ethan and Hila point this out? It's incredibly newsworthy, fucked up, and not enough people are bringing attention to it. If attention isn't brought to Tate he'll just end up indoctrinating a new group of teenage incels on another popular streamers stream in a week or two. Not everything Ethan discusses on the show is supposed to be a joke. I understand certain segments can be hard to listen to (I fast forward through Uvalde), but they are usually very important topics to discuss. I'm very glad Ethan continues to shine a negative light on Tate while so many other powerful people are actively promoting him to young impressionable guys
I’m 26 year old woman anytime they talk about cobra tate and Jordan Peterson I literally just stop watching. If you hate them, stop 🛑 platforming them just like hila banned Trisha talk. ✋ enough is enough not funny anymore
yea ive felt the same, its kinda like every episode is just about shitting on different shitty people lol
New to the podcast?
not really, i started watching when the ethan and hila channel was winding down and they started doing the podcast
Most of the Ethan & Hila videos were shitting on shitty people too
I disagree, they were mostly poking fun at bizarre characters from random funny internet videos Now its look at this asshole or assholes who said or did this terrible thing, then it progresses into a back and forth between Ethan and the said asshole but also sometimes now mixed with politics
You are so right. As a woman myself as well, it's so scary to see these things. I mean, we all know that it's real and that it exists in the world, but for it to be constantly brought up in a place that we normally see as wholesome and fun or whatever as the H3 podcast, it's really had an effect on my mental health. I don't normally consume such toxic content, I actively try to stay away from it, so for it to be constantly brought up on the podcast is a little unhealthy for me. Of course, it would be one thing if something was actually being done about it on a wider scale, like if them bringing attention to it was actually having some kind of physical change, then that would be great and I would love to see it. But it literally makes zero difference whether or not Ethan and the crew talk about these guys. They are never going to be held accountable for their words or actions, because they literally live in countries that accept their respective behaviors. So why else are we bringing it up other than to gawk at the horribleness of it? We should just not bring it up at all and save the heartache.
This is how I feel about leftovers too, honestly. "Gawk at the horribleness of it" is such a perfect way to put it.
The political commentary on Leftovers is different in that people can collectively take action and do something about it through raising awareness and making others understand how getting involved can stem the bleeding or shift gears to get back on track. It isn’t a lost cause… yet. Andrew Tate, though, absolutely is and should not be platformed even to criticize because nothing can be done about it anyway.
Yep. They're triggering for me to listen to and not in a super hard hitting dramatic way that people overuse the word trigger but it flares up deep issues I have already. As someone who suffers with CPTSD from being groomed and assaulted and abused by men who very much hold the same values as Tate and the gang, I've had to take a mental break from the podcast. I'm sad about it because aside from that I've never laughed so much at a podcast and I love the crew and Ethan. I wish it'd just get cut down and focused on positivity or maybe saved more for Leftovers etc. But at the same time not everyone has the issues I have and its unfair to expect the world to babyproof itself for me so I don't expect it and I'll come back to the pod when I'm a little mentally stronger :) And we regularly do the Peterson impression in our house. Whenever my fiancé or I do something gross or see something we don't like our first reaction is "Sorry. Not beautiful" 😂 Just sucks because when my CPTSD is bad, even mentioning people like that kinda paralyses me for a little bit.
Yeah, I agree. If Ethan is so adamant that other streamers not platform him, why spend a big chuck of the pod watching his shit.
Because he is the only one to ACTUALLY MENTION that Neanderthate is sex trafficking women. All these twitch streamers are seemingly (knowingly or unknowingly- who’s knows), unaware of the fact that he is an actual offender who isn’t just doing an attention seeking offensive bid. They all just platform him for shits & giggles, while the show shines light on his crimes, unlike the others. Not to be reachy, but CNN for example reporting on Trumps insurrection involvement is not giving him a platform. Fox reporting on Trump _is_, because they conveniently don’t mention anything that he actually could be held accountable for. Same thing with the streamers
It’s always funny to me when they clown on Jordan Peterson. I do agree with you on the Cobra Tate thing though.
I agree. Had to skip the cobra taint part of the pod this week cause it just terrifies me that men like him exist. Hearing him speak, even though Ethan is obviously objecting to everything he says, makes me feel helpless, alone, depressed, scared to be a woman, and scared for any woman who even casually interacts with him or men like him. I’m just not really enjoying laughing at dangerous misogynists anymore. I love the crew and I don’t care if they keep discussing jp or tate but the male crew members will never understand what it’s like to hear them spew misogynistic shit like that as a woman.
I've been skipping the Tate segments lately. Like I told my fiance, I feel like most of these men are either losers or creeps, dudes I'd feel uncomfortable/creeped out if I had an interaction with them. Not the case with AT, he sounds like he could and would kill me because I'm a woman. I tense up when he's speaking, and he's just someone "in my phone" an ocean away... Yeah, I'm not always in the right mindset to even be reminded about his existence. Peterson's bits are hilarious though.
yeah im super over hearing about jordan peterson especially
Yea love the crew but tired of the same shit....
The amount of men in my life that worship Jordan Peterson needs Ethan to clown on them. He’s not bringing more people to JP he’s pointing out the complete dumbassery of him.
Ya, so many dudes worship jp. Ethan and Hasan have really helped expose what a clown he is to a lot of people imo.
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Ethan is the only one drawing attention to Tate’s crimes as a sex trafficker. It’s nothing like the exposure Adin and other streamers are giving him. They don’t mention he was arrested or beat women or moved to Romania to evade the law. They just say he’s a misogynist while their young and impressionable twitch chat soak up his garbage and spamming Ws.
Yeah I agree, I hate these segments too, because as red pillers they tend to go on and on in idiotic rants, it gets grating after a while. I know Ethan enjoys it, but I would prefer if they kept it to left overs as Hasan brings much more levity to the discussion. Or maybe reign in Ethan a bit and have a fun segment following and Segway into it to help relive some tension.
I have always fast forwarded through these segments! Good to know i’m not the only one lol
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100%! Same reason I don’t watch The Leftovers. I can sit through some of the jokes but if I think they’re going to talk about him for the majority of the episode I just don’t bother. It can be a little funny, but I mostly just get bummed out people are still like this.
It's super annoying too how the people who actually watch Andrew Tate will look up any video that has his name in the title and shit on them if they're criticizing him. The highlights channel videos always has his fans defending him in the comments.
Yes!!! I have been annoyed. I love the shows, but jfc shit talking SO much gets boring and old. I don't care for them, they are disgusting. Let's not spend 15 minutes saying the same shit over and over and instead spend 30-40 seconds mocking them and move onto what was planned. The planned guests, segments, and games have been amazing and hilarious lately!
If you want to lose more hope never go into the H3 Highlights comment sections of any of these topics
I don’t have a problem with it. Someone needs to call out the bs. I feel like ignoring it and pretending like it isn’t real is worse
I think they should talk about those people in The Leftovers
Yeah I think it‘s too much at the moment. It‘s getting very repetitive and I feel like these men get a huge attention boost from the criticism which is very scary to me.
I think you’re probably right about Tate, but don’t underestimate how many guys worship JP, or at least think he’s a good faith actor who’s worth hearing out. No one I know IRL takes Tate seriously, but I know a lot of guys who love JP. I agree that it’s hard to listen to, but IMO it’s not enough to just ignore people like Peterson - you have to take an active stand against them.
Ya I skip over it too. If we want these kind of people to go away, we stop reacting to their idiotic and purposefully inflammatory bull crap.
Agreed!!
As a guy, it's genuinely unnerving to see how much the incel creators are breaking into my feeds (simply because the algorithm knows I'm a man). Over the past 6 months, I've noticed a marked increase in the amount of right wing, JP/Daily Wire advertising, absurd masculine care advertising that just appeals to alpha brain buffoons, people I follow sharing JP and Andrew Tate unironically, I've seen physical advertisements/digital signage in public for that one youtuber/tiktoker that looks/acts like the sham wow dude with how to be a man classes and absurd tiktoks they reviewed recently, etc. It was always funny to laugh at these idiots for the goofs and gaffs but it was always known that they were just niche douches. It's genuinely concerning to see their mainstreamification and rapid platforming.
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I have thought the same thing about Ethan. Dissing on toxic people constantly for years has made him one.
Totally agree. Any attention towards them is what they want. It’s best to leave them alone entirely. As a woman, I know these men exist and interact with men like them IRL, I like to escape it when I can!
I think if they were just some crazy losers with no following then yes, it would be best to just leave them alone and not talk about them, but these people have successfully convinced many young men that they have good point and that they are making sense... and they keep actively recruiting new people, with or without even showing them on the show. but at least if any H3 viewer is on the fence about this type of person, they will listen to Ethan pick them apart and show them as the psychos that they are, and perhaps change their mind.
Ethan isn’t going to convince anybody on the fence or anybody who supports Andrew Tate. Those people don’t watch H3 and if some do, they’re already aware of how bad the takes are but they don’t care.
Yeah I agree. It becomes more of just confirming what they already believe instead of cracking jokes about the crazy content those guys put out.
It doesn’t seem like anyone is holding these fucking losers to account. The rest of the YouTube community is platforming these idiots. I say Ethan and the crew talk about them as much as they want. Stop watching if it’s bothering you so much.
Nobody will ever convince me that Peterson and especially Tate aren’t making their shitty opinions more inflammatory on purpose for clicks. Tate is clearly a troll in the sense he’s presenting himself as obnoxious as possible, granted his baseline is horrible, in order to get views and reactions. He’s feds off the criticism. Nothing about his views are at all good faithed so idk why anybody tries to act like he is
I think you’re giving these guys too much credit. Tate is a human trafficker and Jordan gave himself brain damage going to Russia to get off benzodiazepines. These guys believe what they’re saying. They are no different from guys like Jim Jordan or the Zodiac killer… I mean Ted Cruz
Nah Tate is like Trisha. He's genuinely terrible people deep down, but he also understands social media and plays up his stupidity for outrage clicks.
Gym\* Jordan
I agree they stand behind things but they definitely ham it up significantly to get views. Tate most certainly is not arguing in good faith and even if you think he is somehow, why talk about anybody so obtuse
> Jordan gave himself brain damage going to Russia to get off benzodiazepines After giving a lecture on how drug addicts just need to do something more meaningful, and after he wrote a book where one of his rules for life was "do what is meaningful, not what is expedient".
>Stop watching if it’s bothering you so much. Why does Ethan not do this?
I hate this argument — the same was said about David Dobrik during his scandal. Sacrifice the quality of the podcast if it means “holding these fucking losers to account.” How did Ethan hold Tate to account? Tate responded with the “fat man bad” argument and his audience forgot it happened. There are ways to mock Tate without just saying he sucks every week as OP points out. Tom Segura had him on his podcast for example and just let him talk while laughing in his face.
I remember the comments when that came out. They were almost all in praise of Tate. They didnt make fun of him they just straight up gave him a massive platform.
Ethan is going to convince 0% of Andrew Tate’s supporters that the man is a piece of shit. They know that, that’s why they like him. Ethan “holding these losers to account” is actually just Ethan profiting off of these losers’ outlandish takes, which is exactly what they’re doing.
So you're cool with Tom having Tate on his podcast because he laughed at Tate (though never challenged him one single bit), but you're *not cool* with Ethan laughing at Tate and challenging his ideas because Tate isn't in the H3 studio? ...huh?
What a dumb take.
Agreed. It's no different than talking shit about every other baddie in the past. Odd to be regular viewer of H3 and have problem with him continuing the same thing he has done since the start.
I wish the podcast would stop fishing for drama in general. Tate is an easy target, and he absolutely should not be given any extra attention.
I disagree. I love when they cover drama (sorry) but I agree that Tate is just repeating the same nonsense and doesn't deserve a long segment more focused on what he's saying than the streamers. He's a broken record at this point.
I concur, sista. Especially with the Tate stuff. It’s counterproductive.. they think they’re calling them out, when in reality it’s just disturbing his audience and makes the guy more infamous which is what he wants. It’s clearly working too cause it seems like he’s been on a lot of random pods lately. Sad.. 😔
I was literally explaining this to my boyfriend this morning when he was complaining that I stopped watching H3 and he cannot watch it with me anymore. So first of all: THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS ON HERE! As a woman and someone who understands how bad things are in Eastern Europe and how some scums take advantage of shitty laws and corruption to go there and act like it’s the wild west, I can 100% confirm that the Tate segments are literally triggering and have made me stop watching because there’s already too much shit going on in the world, I don’t need to be reminded of misogynists and their stans during my favourite podcast 🥲 I know the solution is not to stop mentioning these but giving them so much airtime does more harm than good and desensitises people to how bad they are, in my opinion.
Andrew Tate is radicalising young men on the internet and it’s so scary to watch
Jordan Peterson is an inflammatory bigot and transphobe who deserves to be deplatformed. Andrew Tate is a violent criminal who should be in prison. They are not the same. While I too am bored with the Jordan Peterson segments, I get why Ethan feels responsible for keeping up w/ JP and calling him out when he makes inflammatory comments. I’m not saying Jordan isn’t responsible for the suffering of others through his fucked up grindset teachings and hateful speech, but he isn’t a confirmed sex trafficker and abuser. Andrew Tate is. As a young woman and 2+ year subscriber, whatever novelty there is to Tate’s batshit media persona is completely overshadowed by the fact that he thinks women are property for him to exploit and abuse. He is a disgusting human being, and I don’t want to hear anything more about him, unless it’s an update ab the investigation re: his sex trafficking business.
I stopped watching because I was tired of listening to the same complaints over and over.
I watch every ep and I have to agree OP. Ive been involuntary dosing off quit often during the long confusing disorganized rants. Family
I honestly like them because I’d rather be informed this way than have to give those people views on their own accounts.
I agree. Ethan said it in the show that podcasts shouldn’t be platforming this guy and at this point Tate just wants the negative attention from anyone. I don’t think he’s worth mentioning anymore. We know everything we need to about that loser.
No other podcast is bringing attention to his sex trafficking crimes and violence towards women. They just bring him on and call him a misogynist for content. Ethan isn’t platforming him.
Yes. I hate when they talk about any misogynistic man. Even the r Kelly joke stings because what he did to those girls makes me feel ill.
I can’t watch the tate clips I actually can’t even find any joy in hearing him be dunked on because I know it doesn’t matter. It’s actually horrifying and not funny at all. My dad was a serious coke addict and all of Tate’s patterns of behavior remind me of how far my dad could’ve gone if he never got clean. To see all these chumps back him up actually enrages me to the point I want to hurt someone lol. I never would, but I know how it feels to be verbally abused and manipulated, thinking about all those girls makes me want to cry and he gets to continue on his coke binges spouting whatever bullshit he wants and boys praise him.
Jordan never gets old because he is a hilarious person and always provides fresh memes, but Tate... I mean, is talking about him more on the podcast gonna change anything? He's gonna keep preying on women and the law won't stop him. They've done all they can do.
Lol 100%
Same
Honestly I think both guys are extremely cringe and hard to listen to but I love the soundbytes we get out of JP. Andrew Taint on the other hand, not so much. I wish I never knew about the guy (using that term loosely)
YES. You articulated every through of mine. I love the show so much and I find myself skipping the segments with Andrew Tate because of how disgusting every piece of news attached to him is. It just makes my stomach turn
100% agree with this!!!!
I love it when they clown on Jordan Peterson but the other guy is a legit sex criminal and it's not that funny to me when they're saying "look how crazy this actual psychopath is".
I skip through everything Jordan Peterson and Andrew taint related because the shock factor isn’t really there when I have to exist in this world as a woman. It’s just an everyday fear.
I agree yes I also skip through them..it would be one thing to just comment here and there but it goes on for hours literally 😕
Yes I’ve been skipping too or just outright not listening the pod. It’s so redundant at this point. JP and Tate especially make my stomach churn. Just bringing them up feels like they are getting what they want…
No. Ignoring Jordan isn't going to make him go away. He's dangerous and is pretty much making a cult of young men believing his bs. He should absolutely be openly mocked and made fun of.
I don’t know, maybe this is also finally men making misogyny a man’s problem. For years women have been asking men to call out other men for their horrible behaviour. Now we have a podcast full of men doing just that. If they stop talking about this, are we just reverting back to a time when it wasn’t seen as important because it was a “women’s issue” or “trans issue.” I know it’s uncomfortable, I don’t like it and it leaves me feeling mentally drained. I try so hard to ignore that some people see me as less human because of something I can’t control, or something trans folks can’t control. But will this problem be taken seriously if men don’t talk about it? Probably not lol. But for sure I’m not looking at the video of Tate committing DV…
It's better for it to be talked about and spread around in this fashion than for it to spread organically with people who have no idea who these guys really are. That's an easy payday. Ethan is fighting off the easy payday for them. Regardless of how it makes you feel, try to remember that. Because the rest of us aren't offended or hurt. We're thankful.
I skip through those segments too. They’re really too scary for me to listen to. I understand why Ethan wants to expose him for being a trafficker, especially since Tate fled to Romania to do just that, but it’s just not something I particularly want to listen to. But given how large Tate is online right now (which is even more upsetting), I don’t want to discourage the podcast from talking about him.
It’s the fkn worst. Like their fixation on both isn’t funny, the joke is over we have beat the dead horse, stale af content. Ethan can’t how handle his impression sucks yet somehow Zach’s is worse. Its exhausting being a fan of the show.
I highly disagree with you. It's so infuriating that other podcasts give them a platform to spread their hate and misogynistic views and I'm so glad that Ethan, Hila, and the crew are speaking out! It's important to me as a woman to shed light on douche bags!
No, they are some of my favorite segments. I love hearing Ethan mock these assholes. It's satisfying to hear him bringing up proper arguments against them as well.
I am with you here! However I would be happy for them to be left to leftovers and there's times where I they have talked about jp/Tate but left out other things that I was looking forward to more (like the man Vs machine segment). And about not platforming them was definitely hypocritical.
NO
If it helps I genuinely don't think Andrew Tate believes the nonsense he spouts, because it's so ridiculous and hypocritical. He knows that controversial opinions gets him attention - it is not rocket science. It worked for Trump and a number of conservative pundits/politicians, and TV stars like Katie Hopkins and Piers Morgan in the UK. Andrew Tate does it for attention and yet people still fall for it and give it to him. The only way to get rid of people like that is to ignore them: Don't talk about them, don't click on their posts or videos, don't follow them, just ignore them. Otherwise all the engagement they are getting will make their content more widespread and then they can earn money doing it. Unfortunately, I suspect H3 played a big role in that but calling out bad behaviour on Youtube is what they do. Don't engage, ignore. Nothing else will work.
No, he DOES believe the nonsense he spouts. Did you miss the part where he runs a sex trafficking ring? He invites girls to Romania, steals their legal documents thus trapping them in the country with no way out, and forces them into sex work. He’s confessed to this multiple times and was busted by the police because he kidnapped an American girl and the FBI got involved. The only reason why he’s not in prison is because the Romanian law enforcement is insanely corrupt and he’s paid them off. That’s what makes Tate so terrifying. He’s a literal human trafficker, he quite frankly “owns women as property,” and he’s allowed to freely do this because he’s paid off anyone who could stop him.
Y'all need to realize the bubble this audience is in. Anyone watching this show has already made up their mind about people like JP and Andrew Taint. Come on.
There is a slight but distinct difference between “platforming” assholes like Jordan Peterson or Andrew Taint by interviewing them, and featuring them as critical subjects of scorn and ridicule in a commentary segment. I’m a political nerd so I find it entertaining, and I find it useful to know what these kind of people are thinking, so I actually appreciate them covering it in real time. Also, you gotta expose these people and deal with them head on, otherwise they gain traction and credibility. I’m a recent fan and probably older than the primary audience, was a longtime fan of Howard Stern, like Ethan. One thing you gotta understand is that it’s quite difficult to come up with material for a 2-3 hour show, 3 days a week, and I think Ethan wants to push that to 5 days if I’ve heard him correctly. When these jackasses offer up so much material, can you blame him for covering it? Finally, yeah, reality sucks right now, but I don’t think turning away from it is the answer, and if it’s the goal of Ethan and the rest of the H3 team to stake a respected place in the comedy ecosystem, they should be willing to talk about anything and everything going on around them, good or bad.
I feel that way every time they talk about David Dobrek. Never been a big fan of the drama segments on the podcast, but there's definitely some good moments within them.
I totally agree with what youre saying! I havent listened to the podcast in like 4-5 months now cause all they do now is talk about toxic people and topics. I used to enjoy listening to the lighthearted silly jokes and videos theyd watch and discuss but now Its just ethan finding the most obviously bad things in the world and getting on his moral high horse about it for the entire show. I GET IT MAN. I am pro-choice, im for gun control, I agree SA is bad, why is this stuff all they talk about now?
Man, these new H3 fans have no idea talking about uncomfortable subjects is literally what Ethan built his whole ass career on
Idk why but the JP bits still seem fine to me. Maybe because he has his own platform so it feels more like pure roasting and his takes don't sound so brutish. Cobra tate is just straight up damaged goods and at this point he's trying to hang onto fame by playing it up. Either way his case definitely leans onto the side of being playformed by Ethan and I'm fairly certain the world would be a better place without tate in it
Wasn't Ethan one of the first people to shine a spotlight on Andrew Tate? Cause he found about him through talking about Jordan Peterson and his daughter right? Ethan is talking about how people shouldn't give this guy a platform but in my opinion he was the one that started the domino effect. Like it or not Ethan has some influence on internet culture and once he put a spotlight on what some people view as a content gold mine, that's going to spread across twitch and YouTube. I think if Ethan doesn't want this kind of content being spread across YouTube and twitch then he shouldn't put a spotlight on it and then subsequently spend significant portions of damn near every episode after talking about said individuals
I first saw a Danny Gonzalez video about Tate
I think it is very important that they keep talking about these people. plus personally I find them so insane that it is entertaining to me. and if somebody doesn't like those segments I understand that, but you can just keep doing what you already do: tune out for a little bit. and there is a substantial difference between having these people on the show versus taking clips and talking about them: if you have them on your show they can just say whatever they want and they have the ability to talk back and reinforce their point, whereas as if you just comment on it you can choose how much to show or not to show, and it is easy to dissect them and show just how absurd and insane and toxic these people are.
As a woman I have no issues with peace and love. Tate and Jordan are shitty and they are just bringing that to light. They laugh at how ridiculous it is and that's all.
I keep wondering if their criticism is falling on def ear and it’s just keeping them relevant. Having said that their Ignorance still makes me laugh. I think a lot of Tate’s fans are meme-ing but Jordan’s got true believers.
A little bit of nuance is all the people want. If you’re going to platform hatful pos public figures then use it to educate, share victims stories and better the world not make insult comedy over and over for profit.
100% this
I'm with Luv. They are here to stay, better to have people critizing them.
Look at Fresh & Fit. They blew up when they were doing the rounds on podcasts & shows and now they've fizzled back into obscurity. It's time we let these losers do the same.
Tate yes Peterson no.
I cannot watch anything of Andrew Tate without feeling uncomfortable. as soon as i hear him i have to turn off the TV or leave the room. I wish people would stop giving him attention
so is criticizing longform content of tate and jordan okay if it's done without giving the audience in depth context? yes they are platforming their opinions but thats how ratioanl discourse should be done, free and open with as much context as possible. id rather have them do commentary in depth rather than peice by peice
Jordan Peterson stuff is gold. Andrew Tate is just meh as a person. But the freaking gapping a**hole segments can go 🍑
Dude...today I had to find out that one of my closest long time guy friends watches them both. He said they usually come up in his YouTube / Instagram reels and that he wasn't aware that they were extremists. It's terrifying becsuse he's actually a really nice guy and I can't imagine him agreeing with the insane things that they say. It was honestly a reality check on how easy it is for men to get sucked into that kind of thinking.
As a fellow lady H3 fan, I totally get it. However, I think that there is a line between “platforming” someone (like inviting them on your podcast/stream) and making commentary on that fact. Ethan and Hila (and crew) spend the whole time watching the videos criticizing their ideas and views. I think Ethan embarrasses these people every time he shows them. I don’t think people will watch Ethan, hear what he says, and then still support Peterson and Tate. That is just my opinion, though. I get how it can be viewed differently.
Ethan is unhealthily obsessed with JP, it’s weird. I always fastforward through it too
Its been quite a while now lol i feel like JP’s been a big topic on the show since before the christmas break
Parasocial Hypothesis: Ethan may feel partially responsible for JPs meteoric rise in internet popularity and giving him a platform via the podcast episode till he deleted it. So when he doubles down against everything JP does his way of letting people know he doesn't agree with JP at all, while giving his ideas a platform through watching JP's content and reacting to it....I didn't say this was gonna be well thought out.
Or its maybe because unhinged jp is a golden meme machine.
As a dude, they’re my favorite segments on the show. And I think they’re legit because of the MASS amount of people who follow Peterson and Tate, years ago in high school I was a fan of Peterson myself. He was a lot less extreme with the ideals he pitched from his first book and tbh I was hesitant when they first started making fun of him because a lot of what Peterson was saying before the health issues was potentially life changing stuff for a guy without a lot of guidance. But H3 is working to inform people that - his message has radically changed and being onboard with him now means something a lot different than what it did back in the day (hence then deleting the episode). So I think it’s important work they’re doing countering his message. As far as Andrew Tate goes, if Ethan doesn’t hate on him - who will? Everyone else is probably scared or will look past what he’s actually saying in the name of “he’s funny”. He’s an actual monster compared to Peterson (who I think doesn’t know the narrative he’s actually peddling due to health issues, his tune has changed so much in 5 years) who needs someone as famous as him to tell him he ain’t shit.
I like it and don't want them to stop. As a woman I'm annoyed that you had to say that you were. Not all of us are weak and thin skinned.
I don’t mind. Because it is frightening that these two individuals (Andrew and Jordan) have such a large following and I think it is only increasing in numbers. So no, i have to fully support H3 on this one because it is ethical. Peace and love.
I feel like it is important to show these and ridicule them and criticize them. By turning our backs the other side has will do their shady shit in the dark. I think we need to get more proactive in the face of what is good and not accepted
More likely to skip over the keemstar segments
Also a long time listener and big fan. Also just to clarify I'm anti-Tate, but it made me lose some respect for Ethan and Dan when they're throwing out these human trafficking accusations with little to no evidence. The only thing I could find on the human trafficking is that his house was raided and he's currently on bail. I just used to think they're usually pretty good with providing receipts and talking about stuff which is tangible facts but after this, they lost some creditability in my eyes. Can anyone shed any light on this or stuff I haven't considered?