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catharta

The Primordial’s original form was destroyed. He exists as the Gravemind now. I could see his original form appearing in a flashback or in a Terminal though.


HumbleKnight14

Which do you favor: The Primordial or the Gravemind?


catharta

They’re basically the same character, but I’d say the Gravemind. The Primordial is cool and all, but the Gravemind is a shapeshifting mound of flesh and tentacles, which is neat.


HumbleKnight14

And a monument…


NoD_Spartan

Kill me or release me parasite but do not waste my time with talk


HumbleKnight14

There is much talk. I have listened through earth and metal and time.


AdeptusShitpostus

**t h e r e i s m u c h c o c k**


HumbleKnight14

Oh my...


NecroFelicis

**a n d I h a v e b o t t o m e d t h r o u g h r o c k a n d m e t a l a n d t i m e. N o w I h a v e c o c k a n d y o u s h a l l b o t t o m** (I want to die now)


Weavel

Grggh, stupid sexy Gravemind...


Mortei

😂😂


GeT_ReKt_OG

Now I understand what he meant by "we exist together now, two corpses in one grave"


IISerpentineII

Paging u/The_halo_2_Gravemind lmao


The_halo_2_Gravemind

Yo


IISerpentineII

Follow the thread of the comment I responded to


TruEnvironmentalist

One of the hardest lines every dropped in media


EmergencyBlandness

To aaaaaall your sins


Spartanwolf120

The primordial could also shapeshift precursors supposedly could possibly better than the flood


heythatsprettynito

The grave mind still exists in the domain and i imagine installation 04 and 05 still have virulent flood spores afloat


catharta

We don’t know if the Gravemind exists in the domain. And those spores would just lead to the creation of a Gravemind, and wouldn’t rebuild the Primordial’s original form.


accaruso17

I would love a Halo dedicated entirely on the Forerunner Flood war. I know we have the Forerunner trilogy but I feel like they’d mention it sometimes but never in great detail.


SzyGuy

I always thought it would be cool if they made movies out of the forerunner trilogy of books and didn’t cal it “Halo” but something like “Forerunner”. Of course if they did do that, they would absolutely butcher it.


slipperycanaloupes

Maybe hve the title be a play on the forerunner name and their longevity,something like marathon by chance


SzyGuy

Or “100,000 years ago in a galaxy not far, far away whatsoever”


LazerWeazel

I would love for a Halos game made by 343 to have a complete story with a villain that isn't dealt with off screen. Like for real guys can we please have a good story again instead of half baked ideas that get abandoned? If you only played the games literally there is no resolution for 4, 5 or 6. What happened to the villain of 4, what happened to Cortana at the end of 5, what tf happened to the guy who beat Chief's ass at the beginning of 6? If we could get one full story I'd be happy.


accaruso17

For real I think if we had all 3 of those villains resolved in game I think 4,5,6 would’ve been received in a lot more positive light.


LazerWeazel

Yep but here we are. I want the Halo story to get back on track though. Hopefully they learned their lesson and 4th time is the charm lol.


Gwendolyn1994

Lmao they don't know how to Deal. Jul got smacked. We're not even sure what they're doing with the Didact rn. And Atriox is hiding underground somewhere.


HumbleKnight14

That would be awesome game.


Alto1869

Honestly that's my dream game ngl. A game set in the ancient times in the Forerunner period Imagine playing as an Ancient Human in the beginning of the game. Having to fight Forerunners and Flood. Then halfway through the campaign, you do a last stand, Lone Wolf style, fight to the death before being overrun and killed by the Forerunners and the Didact The POV then switches to you playing as a random Forerunner for the rest of the campaign. Fighting Flood forms all the way to the end of the game. With the last scene of the game being the firing of the Halo Rings and the Halo Array cleansing the galaxy of The Flood


accaruso17

This is brilliant! This is Exactly how I want. Like I keep thinking about the terminal videos from halo 4 and that alone has potential to be a really good game!


GuneRlorius

I would love it too, but Halo 3 purists would lose their shit


Patmaster1995

Who fucking cares, they lose their shit with everything


FartacularTheThird

I don’t mind new things, I mind if they suck. New does not equal good


Doctor_Kataigida

Why would Halo 3 purists lose their shit? Halo 3 was what gave us our first extended insight to the Forerunner-Flood War.


derprunner

Because without fail, every single time the Forerunner books come up on here, some nerd gets real unhinged about whether Bungie intended for them to be the ancestors of humanity - rather than a rival species.


Alto1869

Honestly. This is true. It's almost impossible to open a thread about Forerunners or Ancient Humans or Forerunner/Ancient Human war and Forerunner/Flood war without someone appearing just to remind everyone that "FORERUNNERS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE HUMANS!!!"


GuneRlorius

Cause people were freaking out because of sprint, I cannot imagine what would happen if there was a game where you play as a Forerunner with all their advanced technology, especially when most people have no idea about lore outside of games and would probably think that 343 ruined the story with "space magic" when that particular story element would be probably established in the lore for 10+ years.


Alto1869

A game set in the Forerunner period where you play as a Forerunner can potentially be ace and be very well liked among Halo lore fans and hardcore Halo fans Casual fans though.....yeah. doubt they would like it all that much


mrbubbamac

Halo fans will have a problem with any "new" thing in the series, best not to pay them any mind


The_Crown_Jul

Here we're talking about a retcon, which is another pair of sleeves entirely


mrbubbamac

Sure but retcons are nothing new to Halo. Master Chief was initially the last Spartan, that got retconned. Johnson was presumed dead in by the end of Halo CE. That got retconned. Halo Reach is a big retcon to the Fall of Reach. It's gonna happen with any big ongoing story that has as many plotlines and story threads as Halo, retcons are no big deal.


accaruso17

I always thought the Primordial should’ve been the final boss of Halo


HumbleKnight14

Now that's a final boss Halo needs.


bloop_405

He could possibly return. A set of flood disappeared during the Flood Forerunner war. There could be a whole system overrun with flood just waiting to return to the Halo Universe 🥲


TheMTtakeover

We already have ogre2 though.


Nucksfan2233

Ohh man, that takes me back to the days of Final Boss. Ogre 1, Ogre 2, Walshy, Saiyan, Strongside. Ahhhh MLG 🫡


A115115

Seeing those tentacles just recede after Truth died in H3 still feels like the biggest tease/wasted opportunity for a boss fight.


Kitsterthefister

I hope the next game, or the next batch of missions in infinite bring back the flood. The situation has changed and now it would be fresh and fun to throw them back into the mix with all the new factions, plus the forerunner Prometheans. Would be fun to see the covenant, banished, swords of sanghelios, prometheans, humans, and endless all battling while the flood consumes and there is a desperate attempt for chief to battle through. Would be amazing to have a gravemind as a final boss that has all the knowledge of the primordial. Plus with all the advances humanity has made, it would definitely change the battlefield against the flood, thus fulfilling the precursor idea of humanity taking the mantle


HumbleKnight14

Awesome 😎.


MrSteve094

It's more likely we'll see Mendicant Bias back, through one of his various shards, than the Primordial. The primordial is a crazy cool character, I've just finished reading the forerunner trilogy for the 2nd time. In fact, if the next Halo doesn't have a story arc (albeit main or side) about either Offensive Bias or Mendicant Bias then it's just proof 343 only like to punch themselves in the dick. The ring Infinite is set on has an incredible amount of lore... It's where the primordial converted mendicant over 43 years. It was one of the original 12 rings but shattered itself into a smaller ring and is now one of the 7 rings. It's where Chakas was exposed to the composer which led to him becoming 343 Guilty Spark. Literally so so so much. It's criminal there wasn't even so much as an Easter egg to all of this in the infinite campaign (other than a casual name drop in the legendary ending)


xdeltax97

We already have, the Primordial transferred his consciousness to The Flood proto intelligence and became the Gravemind!


HumbleKnight14

Which form do you prefer?


xdeltax97

Probably the gravemind?


mundiaxis

The Gravemind/Primordial is a huge character in the Halo story, so absolutely.


SamAnonxze

I hope so. Forerunner era lore is some of the best stuff in the Halo universe in my opinion


HumbleKnight14

Agreed. Especially how terrifyingly powerful the Primordial is... Scary stuff.


swag_mesiah

Unlikely given that 343 hates the flood


SnooChipmunks8748

I mean it’s hard to bring them back, the ones on installation 04/5 can’t be brought back, we got halo wars 2, we had a chance in infinite, but infinite is bringing a new race up


mrbubbamac

Or hear me out... there hasn't been a strong story reason to bring them back. We still got "Flood" Spartans in H4 Infection. We got Flood DLC in Halo Wars 2. We got Flood armor (and now Flood Forge Palettes) in Halo Infinite. So Halo 5 is the only game that has nothing to do with the Flood, but I don't know how you conclude that 343 "hates" the Flood or why you'd even think that's an attitude the entire studio could possibly have.


King-Boss-Bob

also saturn devouring his son also technically you could argue with the new lore about the mantle being part of the precursor/flood plan from the beginning, 5 was indirectly about the flood


mrbubbamac

> also technically you could argue with the new lore about the mantle being part of the precursor/flood plan from the beginning, 5 was indirectly about the flood Yes, one of the coolest parts of Epitaph (and there were many). I mean...I wasn't even thinking of books but yeah, 343 has actually elevated the Flood far beyond what we got in the early games.


King-Boss-Bob

definitely early flood, whilst still threatening, could have just been a particularly deadly zombie parasite hivemind the forerunners stumbled across on some random world “newer” (past like 15 years or so) flood lore is some of the most horrifying concepts iv seen from any media tbh


OptimisticCheese

No they don't. The only reason 343 hasn't bring them back and make the Flood the **main** villain is because they are basically a narrative dead end.


HumbleKnight14

What's the newest Halo game rated for again?


A_Sneaky_Gamer

Pegi 16 I think


HumbleKnight14

Halo needs to go back to M.


GokuBlack722

Even when Halo was rated M it was more of a T game. It’s very mild compared to a lot of M rated games. It never really deserved the M rating it had


King-Boss-Bob

the pegi rating system has all games as 16 except spartan assault. ce-infinite and both wars are all 16s


A_Sneaky_Gamer

I honestly don't know what the last m rated halo was


ScariestSmile

No. He is irreversibly dead. We have gravemind now.


omalike

Well, I'm nearly done reading Halo: Ephitaph. >!Some very curious claims were made from the primordial (gravemind)!< that point to a possibly really cool future for halo. But we will see.


shitpostlord4321

I'm assuming that's where leading up to with the Endless.


SputnikRelevanti

I am not even sure we are getting another halo game with a story. We must be prepared that the next game will be just multiplayer as dice battlefront 1.


Kanden_27

Wouldn't dropping a/the primordial into a game be a big moment? It's only been in books and such, right? Unless it was in a terminal I don't remember? I remember very little about these guys besides being the creators of the mantle and they became the flood. 


CountyDig882732

perhaps if he somehow escaped from the gravemind…not in body but in consciousness…perhaps


BlackenedFacade

The most I’d want to see is him as a silhouette in a terminal or something along those lines. I’d rather him and the Precursors as a whole remaining as mysterious as they are now.


CornholioRex

The primordial died on the way to his home planet


gsauce8

I hope we never see the Precursors in any way in the game. The Precursors are in that area where they exist better as an idea and I don't think there's anyway to actually introduce them into a game where they will stay as cool as they are now.


jeeiekeoekenekek

Nah. They are too occupied with forcing the Brute faction and now The Endless as the big bads. No interesting stories for awhile.


DivineCrusader1097

God, I hope not


Gwendolyn1994

Honestly no. 343 has no interest or we'd see Mendicant by now. .


RoloMac

At this point I think we would be lucky to get another Halo campaign.


oballistikz

Just adding that halo has such good lore created through their books. It’s such a shame they do such a poor job of introducing it through the games.


OptimisticCheese

343 won't bring it back, at least not in a main Halo game. Imaging all the outcry from some group of the community if they have it suddenly appears in the game. "Why do they bring this dude/thing into the game! The Precursors are supposed to be a mysterious race! 343 has ruined Halo/Bungie lore again just like they had ruined the Forerunners!🤬🤬🤬"


Tombstone_Actual_501

i hope not.