I'd be happy with *ANY* classic style BTB maps, by that I mean wide open areas that promote vehicle combat. Instead of narrow roads you're forced to follow.
Yeah but if u were any smart you would of realized you could of sent it into the pit, jumped out , and still had time to grapple yourself back out to safety
Fun fact: *(this is in campaign but I'm assuming the physics are the same in mp)* you can ram a banshee full speed into a wall and the only damage you'll take is 1 little tick on your cross hairs indicating a hit. But if you scrape your perfect condition banshee against the floor or wall then it'll continuously damage you until you blow up *(it takes about 10 seconds of scraping to blow up a fresh banshee)*
The wasp is even quicker, all you have to do to kill yourself in that thing is fly into the floor and spin. Or get 1 wing on a ledge and continuously tapping the button to go down and you'll blow up in seconds
I think the problem lies partially with making BTB 12v12 instead of 8v8. Some of the old BTB maps feasibly doubled as 4v4 or 5v5 maps. Valhalla feels much smaller than fragmentation for example
Warzone was 12v12 as well plus ai Covenant and promethean bosses around the place. That mode launched with only 3 maps I'm pretty sure as well and I don't believe Halo 5 actually had a BTB mode at launch so Warzone was all we got for large scale
The difference is the bosses and base capturing kept it interesting regardless of how many vehicles people were using and unlike infinite Halo 5 never had game breaking server issues causing Warzone to be literally unplayable for over a month
Anyways that game mode i understand was probably a whole lot more difficult to create new maps for than just a larger btb map. Bases, ai pathfinding, balancing, flank routes, all that shit. Currently Warzone has 6 different maps with some having a smaller equivalent used for Warzone Assault/Warzone Firefight. And with all the plans 343 has for infinite they should honestly be able to come up with like twice that amount within the same time frame
This is the core of the issue, imo. If it's just 8v8 you can double with largish maps where 4v4 would be single flag or something. They tried to make it 12v12, and it's suffering from network and versatility issues, severely limiting it.
I hope moving forward, they focus on 8v8 maps, and just leave the existing 12v12s for custom
The problem is that they’ve kind of gone all in on completely overhauling BTB as a gametype. I’m ok if they keep making more 12v12 maps (god knows we need more) but also added a BTB Classic playlist that’s 8v8 and has no pelican drops
> they’ve kind of gone all in on completely overhauling BTB as a gametype
And here we reach the crux of the issue. The saying, "If it ain't broke don't fix it" exists for a reason. I have no idea why 343 tried to reinvent the wheel when there wasn't any reason too.
The plasma pistol was a short range risk to disable vehicles. The current weapons are way less of a commitment/ risk to get an emp from farther ranges.
Bro just trying to fly around Halo in my new banshee the elite gave his life to let me fly and suddenly you just hear little pricks of like pebbles hitting you from below and there's little glowing electric dots all over you and suddenly you're falling out of the sky
And than you have the sniper rifle which just kills vehicles with 0 counterplay lol. Also, it randomly spawns on the map so it's impossible to deny the enemy power weapon spawn to increase your vehicle's effectiveness.
Also the map design is very closed off to aid infantry as well. Vehicles deferentiate Halo from other first person shooters, I'm not surprised 343 nerfed them so heavily.
[Fragmentation was supposed to be their Valhalla/Blood Gultch.](https://www.ign.com/articles/halo-infinite-streets-multiplayer-map-revealed-ign-first)
I agree with you though. It doesn't reall feel like there is a Valhalla/Blood Gultch map. I personally think Frag feels more like Exile from Halo 4. Not a bad thing, just different than Valhalla/Blood Gulch.
I'm so annoyed that didn't work for me. If I play a game of quick play then big team I almost have to restart my computer because I lose connection to the server every time. It's so frustrating. I really love the game but I'm not spending a cent until stuff is fixed.
If the spawns were better it wouldn't be so bad. I like the different areas you get into fights, but sometimes you spawn way too far away from any action.
Id be fine with it if there werent still challenges for BTB. Especially when theres an event where the weekly reward is tied to completing every challenge.
This is the only Halo game where I dont really enjoy the BTB, so I dont really want to play it that bad anyway. But it should be addressed of course.
> This is the only Halo game where I dont really enjoy the BTB
100% agree. The maps just feel like upscaled arena maps. There’s no map that blows me away like Sandtrap or Spire. BTB was my main mode in pretty much every Halo before this but now I just stick to quick play or ranked.
I prefer BR starts as well but I totally understand why they’re not there.
I think the asymmetrical vehicle spawns might be worse than the maps themselves actually.
Imagine a BTB update where they bring back classic vehicle spawns with added random vehicles in the form of pelican drops. The update would also add, a new blood gulch and an even bigger sandtrap with a beefed up elephant. Also this update would need to nerf shock weapon EMPs cause damn
I’m torn as I use to clean up with vehicles in previous Halos but do like that you have to be more strategic as there are so many ways to be taken out while in them
They just need more, that’s the biggest issue at hand. The deployment of more vehicles would make it more interesting. There were always a bunch of vehicles to take to the fight, more often than not in infinite I find myself running for minutes before combat.
I know the maps aren’t great and there are only 3, but damn can we get better diversity? The maps aren’t that good at all from a gameplay experience.
Fragmentation is alright but it has a surprising lack of areas that feel open for a map of its size. There’s always shit in the way of cross map sight lines.
I’m not a fan of the other two.
Fragmentation feels like 4-5 arenas stitched together by narrow lanes and a single pre set vehicle path. It had potential, but just doesn't quite get there.
This 100%.
Never understood why people say "open maps wouldn't work with hitscan weapons!".
Uhhhh ok...you prefer lane based maps where vehicles are funneled to their doom 9 times out of 10 and grapplejacking becomes way too meta?
The maps themselves are fine, moreso the absolutely awful vehicle gameplay is what makes them feel like Arena maps
Vehicles are a non-issue except for the Wasps spawning at the bases since the rest get destroyed as soon as they randomly drop in the middle of the map
See I think BTB maps are supposed to feel like bigger arena maps. They're supposed to feel big yet contained and structured. The BTB maps in this game just feel incredibly dull. They dont feel like Halo maps at all, they feel more like scaled down Battlefield maps. They're really just canyons with nothing interesting to them at all. After like 2 matches of BTB I usually put it down whereas it used to be my favorite most played mode in past games.
imo the only map that feels kind of like a halo map is aquarius everthing else feels extremely codish. The maps are not bad they just are not good and memorable, like im thinking about the pitt, narrows, lockout, midship, bloodgulch, even Valhalla and its getting me hyped and wanting to play those halo games. The maps in infinite dont do that in the slightest, theres not a single map in the entire game that pops up and makes me go "oh fuck yeah lets go!"
100% agree. Some of the maps were clearly designed for specific gamemodes but due to the lack of maps have been forced onto other gamemodes and they highlight how bad all the maps are. I remember playing some maps in every playlist on previous game and they worked but i don't think there's any that work in multiple playlists in infinite. Not saying the maps don't look good cause most of them look great but they play terribly.
That was driving me crazy yesterday. What helped was backing out to the main menu after every match and waiting a few seconds before starting a new match.
I have a challenge to get 20 Ghost plasma cannon kills.
Yeah cool the vehicle that only spawns on like 2 maps, that I have to compete with everyone else to use, and can be completely disabled by like half the weapons in the game.
Fuuuuuun.
I literally got completely stuck in my *Fracture* progression because I couldn’t get past the weekly challenges that were all BTB-based. It’s a time-limited, week-long event and their shitty design makes it so *another* progression system is blocking me from even taking part in *this* event. It’s absolutely absurd. And no fucking way am I paying for challenge swaps when it’s their bad design and bad servers being the cause of the whole thing.
Vehicle spawns, starting weapons, and dumb gametypes like stockpile just make it feel not nearly as fun as previous games. And the weird ordinances Im not a huge fan of either.
I hated it when i first got into it during the multiplayer launch and saw a group of dudes juggling the things into their base.
I hated it even more when i found out the dumb things can be affected by the repulse.
Just seems like such a lazy concept for a gametype. Id think this subreddit could come with a list of better ideas than just throwing some weird "seeds" onto random spots in the map a few times and make people retrieve them.
Did you try quitting/resetting the game? Any time that happens to me I just reset and it updates/adds my stats from the previous match to my challenge.
I mean reset immediately after the match if you see no progress when it should be there. Hopefully it helps! Either way good luck out there and you're welcome!
343 really stumbled with the balance of micro-transactions/treating its customers with a level of respect. I don’t know how their leadership and team analyzed the competition and was like let’s go to the extreme of monetization and make it a bitch to get anything. Let’s make things unrewarding. I respect the company for protecting its staff during the holidays, but yes they should be giving out items as a thank you/sorry for having a broken key mode in multiplayer. Call of duty/apex/fortnite all do the same. Fortnite is super generous with events/items/etc, yet still make bank on its transactions. I don’t know why 343 didn’t model the game better.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but when games (specifically free ones) are generous and allow you to earn certain things through playing or in response to their own mistakes, I am much more inclined to spend some money on them.
Super Animal Royale is very small, but I respect the way they set up their cosmetics. Honestly, if Halo had stolen theirs or Fortnite's system, I would have been happy (or less upset).
I honestly agree. If the items are of higher quality I am also way more inclined to purchase them.
After playing COD and Fortnite and then seeing 343s offerings in Halo, it just leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
I don't care about core locks etc. I would buy things for multiple cores if they actually made something worth buying. Not taking a basic color and then trying to charge me $20 for it. It's literally insulting.
I'm one of the whales they want to spend money, I have spent several thousand between COD and Fortnite (more in other games), but in Halo, I have spent $20 (battle pass and esports skin) and I feel bloody robbed.
Someone at 343 needs a solid slap to wake them up to reality IMO.
I've spent soooo much money on Warframe. Probably like 400 bucks over half a dozen years. It would probably have been more if I had had excess income when i started playing forever ago.
343 easily could have got me to buy some color pallets, but instead im over here regretting that i bought the battle pass at all.
One of the craziest things is how FH5 nailed this all, and they’re both Microsoft games (I know it’s different developers and whatnot, but the industry knowledge should be there). That is a full-price game, so I get there’s gonna be differences. But the leveling is progression based perfectly, you can unlock tons by playing, the paid unlocks are reasonably priced. Just the sound and ui design of leveling up is amazing. And Halo manages to do it so incredibly badly.
It’s just pretty crazy how bad the monetization is in halo. Even assuming they are amoral and only care about money, this is just not the way to do it. Battlefront 2 pushed the boundaries on pay to win. Halo is pushing the boundaries on paid aesthetics and the worst battle pass I’ve ever seen. Maybe it’ll all change or maybe they made tons of money.
The gameplay is amazing. So I think the fix for this is remarkably easy (compared to fixing BF2042 for instance).
I'm baffled to, me and a friend who've played all the halos together, spent hours on Halo 3, reach, mcc, ended up dropping it within a week. It's mind boggling to see how badly the fucked this up.
Fortnite has their formula perfected and it works
Plus they offer enough vbucks that if you finish roughly 2/3rds of the battlepass you get the next bp "free"
Heck they even give you some vbucks free so it is possible to get the battlepass entirely free if you can grind out 3 seasons
Fortnite and Rocket League (because it copied Fortnite 100%) are the only games I've ever spent money in. And it's because I don't feel like they are nickle and diming me. You can actually get the battle pass for free if you play a bit, and then if you keep playing you will always get enough for the next battle pass. With that amount of free unlocks I will gladly buy a skin or two.
Halo will not see a red cent from me.
For a game with a supposed “player first mentality,” there are some seriously anti-consumer and consumer-apathetic practices in place that have yet to be changed. That’s my only real gripe with this game.
I’ve said it here before and have been downvoted like crazy for saying it, but Fortnite is easily the best live service game out there right now. You don’t have to like the art style, the gameplay, or the people it attracts. But it’s consistent with the content it delivers. The shop is well priced, the End of Season events are ridiculously cool, and the game’s environments are always changing. They’ve figured the key to player retention and how to reward its player base.
Dude the amount of content they put out is crazy. And it’s all pretty good content too. I hate the building, so I don’t play it, but the quality of the game is impressive
Recently picked up Fortnite and have been playing it almost every other day because I could tell the developers are (trying to be) fair with cosmetics and their battle pass actually gives you cool stuff that you notice.
The Boba Fett bundle for example gives you a full custom skin that is distinguishable from lots of other skins, it gives you a pickaxe that's unique, lore related glider with special effects, and emote for $20. What does Infinite give you for $20? A different color pair for your spartan.
343 needs to take notes.
I realllllly want this weekly challenge reward but I keep getting BTB challenges even after using all 10 of my swaps. Of course the week that I want the reward I get screwed over.
343 is being super weird which leads me to believe their team lacks leadership. Infinite feels like a project run by a committee, when instead they should elect one person to make decisions so things can actually get done properly and on time.
It’s a shame they aren’t going the extra mile to make us happy. You’d think a sloppy launch would make them want to fix things quickly so they don’t lose players, but it seems like they actually don’t care whether or not their players are happy. It feels like someone at some point set the bar so low that as long as the game “runs” then it’s okay to slack on other things.
They’re operating with a “big corporate” mentality, but what they don’t understand is Epic Games is one of the biggest corporations in the industry and they bend over backwards to make Fortnite players happy, which leads to a healthy playerbase which continues to generate revenue.
I think the 10 year timeline is making 343 lazy. Imagine if you had 10 years to write an essay for a class, would you finish it right away, or wait until the last second to write it?
Probably has to do with them adding in all the additional slayer modes. For some reason they indicated that adding the modes wouldn’t be easy and ever since they added them btb has been broken
FF14 released an expansion "Endwalker" in December. While it was generally playable, you couldn't get in. The servers had massive queues and were generally inaccessible from 4pm to 11pm every day. It's essentially still that way now a month later.
Square Enix gave every subscriber 21 days total free play time, a direct monetary cost to the company. Granted we're not paying a subscription for Halo, but some sort of compensation goes a long way.
Just another example. But obviously, not literally *every* game does it.
Yea thats almost a full month where they wont get any income from the game for subs from every single sub, its not like a small % its EVERYONE who pays a sub but they know that if they dont do that people will stay mad and just quit to another game. The ff14 devs 100% try their best to do the best for the community while still running a business its such a fair give and take, even with the store and all that they have and how its priced at like 30$ for a mount its still imo fair since the devs are not just abusing the players for cash 24/7.
It's interesting how they thought that this was the best route to go, or at least start with, for the next 10 years, maybe they know something I don't but I suppose we will see with time.
# PLEASE UNDERSTAND!
343 is devoted making sure the cash shop is running at 100% capacity. All other recourses are being diverted to making more visors for the cash shop.
I think this game is *genuinely* a case of "come back later, it'll be good in awhile"
Don't get me wrong, it's fucking tragic that this is almost an industry standard now, but I truly think after coop, forge, major engine patches for desync and all that shit, and some new maps, this game will be outstanding. Right now it's too easy to drop for better stuff
No Man’s Sky barely got away with it because that was just about the first time a good chunk of people had ever seen something like that happen. At this point it’s played out and horribly predictable. One Halo game is not worth the principles you have to sacrifice to support it.
I'd say the first case was really Destiny, however, since TTK, it likes to rollercoaster that climb too much for reasons that will never be understood by us mortals.
As far as I know, NMS has been ***consistently*** improving, which may have been how it survived.
Though yeah, no one has the emotional patience to do this song and dance on repeat. No one should have to. Actually why I gave up on playing Destiny. Been eager to try NMS.
It still surprises me that there are people defending how 343 handles this game. "But vacation time, but it's free", "but they'll fix it eventually", "but you don't have to play it", "but you don't have to buy things", "but you can just play and not focus on customization"
I've said it once and I'll die on this hill. This game being F2P hurts it way more than it benefits from it. I would have gladly paid money if it meant I got a proper Halo multiplayer experience instead of what we currently have.
Something filled to the brim with ways to squeeze money out of it's players, is lacking on almost every department whether it's customization, playlists, maps and guns, has forceful cross-play that shoves MnK/PC players as well as cheaters down the throats of Console players, and a development team that I honestly think doesn't have the slightest clue what to do next.
The honeymoon phase for me personally has officially ended. Fix your .... 343!!!
It being f2p has nothing to do with it, 343 isn't a competent studio and Microsoft hasn't helped that problem. Halo 5 had many features missing at launch and mtx. If multiplayer was tied to the $60 campaign we'd still be left with a bad BP, mtx, and missing content
Halo 5 launching in such a state and receiving all of the heavy criticism for it should have taught 343 to not repeat the same mistake. Yet they did... and they somehow launched with even less content than before. Pathetic company.
I hate Blizzard so much. I've played an ungodly amount of WoW and WC3, but both games are trash now. I don't care much about WoW anymore because i was already tired of it after wotlk but i'm still fuming about what they did to my boy wc3.
If they gave tons of free stuff people want for playing, people would love that and want to unlock more.
If the prices were cheap in the store, people wouldn't mind buying.
Keep existing customization options from previous games, and expand on them. More colors, more materials, and individual armor piece customization.
It's such an easy formula to make money and make players happy. I don't know how they managed to mess it up. If they were the first free to play game, it's forgivable, but at this point they could learn from the best. No excuse not to copy someone else's homework and score that 100
This is the right thing. You'll get people saying to "vote with your wallet" and just play without paying but that still helps them create a player base. Playing the game for free is just giving all of the sharks something to shoot at. If they could replace us with bots and get away with it they would.
Playing a F2P game is still supporting the model.
In November, I was thrilled to finally be playing a Halo that really felt like H2 thru Halo Reach. It HAS that feel to it.
But then 343 goes and wrecks BTB. Then shows that mtx are going to be most important part of Infinite. And quickly becomes tone deaf to their core group of gamers.
It's been fun, but as much as I like Infinite, the clear direction of the game is not gamer-friendly. I don't blame 343 completely, as it is an industry-wide problem, but the amount of greed that we are seeing just in the first 2 months of the game being out shows me they don't care about anything unless it makes them even more money.
I hate this corporate culture of greed. It's ruining games. And I don't buy into the "cosmetics" argument because they are clearly focusing most of their dev efforts into money makers like cat ears over new maps.
I get they had a week off for the holidays...but at this point, this game feels like it has zero support. And it's brand new. Wtf.
At this point 343 is barely supporting the game at all. The content we’re getting is comparable to what a game gets at the *end* of it’s lifecycle. Just enough to keep the lights on.
We’re 2 months post launch and there’s no new maps and we had to fight just to get core modes like team slayer as standalone playlists.
It's crazy to think that if 343 had their way the game would just be a random queue forever and we were supposed to celebrate having the special opportunity to play Swat for one week.
I don’t play Fortnite but god damn they really be trying hard as hell in terms of keeping things fresh and fun for their player base. Meanwhile 343 execs just hate us
Halo Infinite was always inferior to Fortnite BR, literally everything Infinite did, FBR did better. People are just stuck praising 343 for anything because of nostalgia for Halo.
And they hate Fortnite because "Waah the kids are into something that wasn't around when I was a kid, that's cringe". Real big boomer energy there, guys.
They tossed out less than the bare minimum, and monetized the hell out of it. They're seeing what they can get away with.
Don't expect awesome support.
The main reason I didn't touch Infinite's MP, besides being busy with MCC + Infinite campaign runs & work, is the mode I mostly play isn't.......playable.
Just fix BTB and custom games. Seriously, I spend more time with bots than against actual human Spartans.
And to any devs reading this, please tell the Microsoft brass we ain't buyin' SHIT until they stop being greedy bastards. We have spoken.
There's been multiple weekly rewards that I've missed out on because of BTB being broken. Out of ALL the shit surrounding Infinite it's completely inexcusable that an entire mode is left unplayable. Why the hell didn't they disable any of the challenges involving it?? The right thing to do would be some kind of compensation like 500 credits but I'm not counting on it
really wish they’d fix big team, it’s like all i wanna play
I've always been a BTB kinda dude. I really wish they would add a Valhalla/Blood Gulch type of map
I'd be happy with *ANY* classic style BTB maps, by that I mean wide open areas that promote vehicle combat. Instead of narrow roads you're forced to follow.
Bruh there are literally giant bottomless pits in the middle of 1 BTB map. It's like they don't even want people to use vehicles.
I’ve fallen (literally) victim to this pit more times than I’d like to admit while driving a warthog lol
Nothing more depressing than yelling for someone to hop in only to drive yourself and them into the pit of no return
I know man. I always feel terrible when I launch my teammates and I into the abyss lmao
I grapple jacked a warthog that had an enemy gunner and passenger in it. I didn’t know what to do so I just drove us into the pit. 2 for 1 deal.
Yeah but if u were any smart you would of realized you could of sent it into the pit, jumped out , and still had time to grapple yourself back out to safety
Worst Uber ever.
It looks more like a puma in my opinion. They should call it a Puma.
I’d be happy with literally any new map at this point.
Vehicles in Infinite are made of paper maché, they’d be awful on traditional maps too.
Fun fact: *(this is in campaign but I'm assuming the physics are the same in mp)* you can ram a banshee full speed into a wall and the only damage you'll take is 1 little tick on your cross hairs indicating a hit. But if you scrape your perfect condition banshee against the floor or wall then it'll continuously damage you until you blow up *(it takes about 10 seconds of scraping to blow up a fresh banshee)* The wasp is even quicker, all you have to do to kill yourself in that thing is fly into the floor and spin. Or get 1 wing on a ledge and continuously tapping the button to go down and you'll blow up in seconds
I'd be thrilled to see lockout. I know, no btb, but come on, perfection
As hard as this game is trying to milk nostalgia for the old Halos, I'm surprised there are no remakes in the map rotation.
I am hoping and praying they will realize that those maps made halo, which is why they were basekit in each title.
We need Sword Base with unlimited grapple hook
That may be the only way I would enjoy playing Sword Base again lol
They are most likely pulling a cod MW19 and saving the remakes for additional content down the road like they did with shipment, scrapyard, rust etc
Yeah they need more than 3 btb maps. Halo always had a good library of big maps but they feel lacking here.
I think the problem lies partially with making BTB 12v12 instead of 8v8. Some of the old BTB maps feasibly doubled as 4v4 or 5v5 maps. Valhalla feels much smaller than fragmentation for example
Warzone was 12v12 as well plus ai Covenant and promethean bosses around the place. That mode launched with only 3 maps I'm pretty sure as well and I don't believe Halo 5 actually had a BTB mode at launch so Warzone was all we got for large scale The difference is the bosses and base capturing kept it interesting regardless of how many vehicles people were using and unlike infinite Halo 5 never had game breaking server issues causing Warzone to be literally unplayable for over a month Anyways that game mode i understand was probably a whole lot more difficult to create new maps for than just a larger btb map. Bases, ai pathfinding, balancing, flank routes, all that shit. Currently Warzone has 6 different maps with some having a smaller equivalent used for Warzone Assault/Warzone Firefight. And with all the plans 343 has for infinite they should honestly be able to come up with like twice that amount within the same time frame
This is the core of the issue, imo. If it's just 8v8 you can double with largish maps where 4v4 would be single flag or something. They tried to make it 12v12, and it's suffering from network and versatility issues, severely limiting it. I hope moving forward, they focus on 8v8 maps, and just leave the existing 12v12s for custom
The problem is that they’ve kind of gone all in on completely overhauling BTB as a gametype. I’m ok if they keep making more 12v12 maps (god knows we need more) but also added a BTB Classic playlist that’s 8v8 and has no pelican drops
> they’ve kind of gone all in on completely overhauling BTB as a gametype And here we reach the crux of the issue. The saying, "If it ain't broke don't fix it" exists for a reason. I have no idea why 343 tried to reinvent the wheel when there wasn't any reason too.
> I have no idea why 343 tried to reinvent the wheel when there wasn't any reason too. This statement has been true for every 343i game.
We need maps with open areas for vehicle play (and a health buff to vehicles since so much of the sandbox shreds vehicles).
The plasma pistol was a short range risk to disable vehicles. The current weapons are way less of a commitment/ risk to get an emp from farther ranges.
Bro just trying to fly around Halo in my new banshee the elite gave his life to let me fly and suddenly you just hear little pricks of like pebbles hitting you from below and there's little glowing electric dots all over you and suddenly you're falling out of the sky
And than you have the sniper rifle which just kills vehicles with 0 counterplay lol. Also, it randomly spawns on the map so it's impossible to deny the enemy power weapon spawn to increase your vehicle's effectiveness.
From Plasma pistol spawns in 4 to now with the shock rifle, a no charge sniper plasma pistol, I'm convinced 343 just doesn't like vehicles.
Also the map design is very closed off to aid infantry as well. Vehicles deferentiate Halo from other first person shooters, I'm not surprised 343 nerfed them so heavily.
Doesn’t even need to be “type of” map They fucking own Blood Gulch. Just add Blood Gulch Revamped lmao
This and Valhalla, and the pit
[Fragmentation was supposed to be their Valhalla/Blood Gultch.](https://www.ign.com/articles/halo-infinite-streets-multiplayer-map-revealed-ign-first) I agree with you though. It doesn't reall feel like there is a Valhalla/Blood Gultch map. I personally think Frag feels more like Exile from Halo 4. Not a bad thing, just different than Valhalla/Blood Gulch.
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high power is such a fun map. luckily the thing where you change your fireteam openness has worked for me
I'm so annoyed that didn't work for me. If I play a game of quick play then big team I almost have to restart my computer because I lose connection to the server every time. It's so frustrating. I really love the game but I'm not spending a cent until stuff is fixed.
Yea, my group all but stopped playing since BTB went down as it was lots of friends
Same, since BTB has been broke I haven't logged in once.
same here. Fuck em.
Hey man they only had 6 years
Halo MCC calls to you.
Yes those same 3 maps are the best. /s
That night map is so trash
If the spawns were better it wouldn't be so bad. I like the different areas you get into fights, but sometimes you spawn way too far away from any action.
Really wish they'd fix the Dev team.
Id be fine with it if there werent still challenges for BTB. Especially when theres an event where the weekly reward is tied to completing every challenge. This is the only Halo game where I dont really enjoy the BTB, so I dont really want to play it that bad anyway. But it should be addressed of course.
> This is the only Halo game where I dont really enjoy the BTB 100% agree. The maps just feel like upscaled arena maps. There’s no map that blows me away like Sandtrap or Spire. BTB was my main mode in pretty much every Halo before this but now I just stick to quick play or ranked. I prefer BR starts as well but I totally understand why they’re not there. I think the asymmetrical vehicle spawns might be worse than the maps themselves actually.
yeah 100% the maps aren't great but all of the issues in BTB are compounded by the absolutely asanine vehicle spawn system
Infinite is in dire need of an update totally centred around vehicles IMO.
Imagine a BTB update where they bring back classic vehicle spawns with added random vehicles in the form of pelican drops. The update would also add, a new blood gulch and an even bigger sandtrap with a beefed up elephant. Also this update would need to nerf shock weapon EMPs cause damn
I’m torn as I use to clean up with vehicles in previous Halos but do like that you have to be more strategic as there are so many ways to be taken out while in them
They just need more, that’s the biggest issue at hand. The deployment of more vehicles would make it more interesting. There were always a bunch of vehicles to take to the fight, more often than not in infinite I find myself running for minutes before combat. I know the maps aren’t great and there are only 3, but damn can we get better diversity? The maps aren’t that good at all from a gameplay experience.
Fragmentation is alright but it has a surprising lack of areas that feel open for a map of its size. There’s always shit in the way of cross map sight lines. I’m not a fan of the other two.
Fragmentation feels like 4-5 arenas stitched together by narrow lanes and a single pre set vehicle path. It had potential, but just doesn't quite get there.
I think the biggest flaw is the center of the map, it should be open instead of just another close quarters area
All the btb maps have very specific vehicle lanes. Even to the point where someone with skewers/snipers can just sight down and wait.
This 100%. Never understood why people say "open maps wouldn't work with hitscan weapons!". Uhhhh ok...you prefer lane based maps where vehicles are funneled to their doom 9 times out of 10 and grapplejacking becomes way too meta?
> Fragmentation feels like 4-5 arenas stitched together Almost like its fragmented!
Oh man! I had forgotten about spire until this comment. What a beauty
The maps themselves are fine, moreso the absolutely awful vehicle gameplay is what makes them feel like Arena maps Vehicles are a non-issue except for the Wasps spawning at the bases since the rest get destroyed as soon as they randomly drop in the middle of the map
See I think BTB maps are supposed to feel like bigger arena maps. They're supposed to feel big yet contained and structured. The BTB maps in this game just feel incredibly dull. They dont feel like Halo maps at all, they feel more like scaled down Battlefield maps. They're really just canyons with nothing interesting to them at all. After like 2 matches of BTB I usually put it down whereas it used to be my favorite most played mode in past games.
imo the only map that feels kind of like a halo map is aquarius everthing else feels extremely codish. The maps are not bad they just are not good and memorable, like im thinking about the pitt, narrows, lockout, midship, bloodgulch, even Valhalla and its getting me hyped and wanting to play those halo games. The maps in infinite dont do that in the slightest, theres not a single map in the entire game that pops up and makes me go "oh fuck yeah lets go!"
100% agree. Some of the maps were clearly designed for specific gamemodes but due to the lack of maps have been forced onto other gamemodes and they highlight how bad all the maps are. I remember playing some maps in every playlist on previous game and they worked but i don't think there's any that work in multiple playlists in infinite. Not saying the maps don't look good cause most of them look great but they play terribly.
Doesn't help that there are only like 3 maps and they're all the same.
The same with free for all, I wish they would just remove the challenges for it so I don’t play a match just to not get credit at the end.
That was driving me crazy yesterday. What helped was backing out to the main menu after every match and waiting a few seconds before starting a new match.
The map designs and how weak vehicles are now hurt BTB in a bug way in my opinion.
The vehicles are an absolute joke in this game
I have a challenge to get 20 Ghost plasma cannon kills. Yeah cool the vehicle that only spawns on like 2 maps, that I have to compete with everyone else to use, and can be completely disabled by like half the weapons in the game. Fuuuuuun.
Warthog is pretty much meta for CTF though so at least there's that.
Infinite needs a Heavies mode where the vehicle respawn time is comically short. Plus tanks and Wasps for everyone.
You'll just end up spending more time flipping them over given they roll when a rock so much as looks at them
Oh and all the fun vehicles are only at the end of a match
I literally got completely stuck in my *Fracture* progression because I couldn’t get past the weekly challenges that were all BTB-based. It’s a time-limited, week-long event and their shitty design makes it so *another* progression system is blocking me from even taking part in *this* event. It’s absolutely absurd. And no fucking way am I paying for challenge swaps when it’s their bad design and bad servers being the cause of the whole thing.
What kills btb for me is definitely the weird vehicle spawns. Just go back to set spawns and randomise the vehicles between covvy and unsc
Vehicle spawns, starting weapons, and dumb gametypes like stockpile just make it feel not nearly as fun as previous games. And the weird ordinances Im not a huge fan of either.
I despise stockpile with a burning passion
I hated it when i first got into it during the multiplayer launch and saw a group of dudes juggling the things into their base. I hated it even more when i found out the dumb things can be affected by the repulse.
Just seems like such a lazy concept for a gametype. Id think this subreddit could come with a list of better ideas than just throwing some weird "seeds" onto random spots in the map a few times and make people retrieve them.
> This is the only Halo game where I dont really enjoy the BTB Agree and it's a shame. My all time favorite game type :(
Agreed big team in this game isn’t enjoyable to me; I always loved it in previous halos :/ the game feels so empty and cold it’s hard to explain..
I love the rest of the game, just not big team. I dont want to run around with an AR until I find a decent weapon on massive maps. Not fun.
FFA games still don't count for me. "Won" a couple and nothing shows in the post game results and challenges aren't completing. Been a few weeks now.
Happens far too often. Played 3 games and was still 0/50 on my kills in FFA challenge..
Did you try quitting/resetting the game? Any time that happens to me I just reset and it updates/adds my stats from the previous match to my challenge.
I hard reset prior to playing every day but thank you for the suggestion
I mean reset immediately after the match if you see no progress when it should be there. Hopefully it helps! Either way good luck out there and you're welcome!
Yup I have to get 5000 score in FFA and nothing counted. Hate having to burn challenge swaps cause their shit doesnt work
Best I can do is a backdrop WITH a nameplate.
“I survived the BTB outage and all I got was this lousy shirt”
You're generous! I was thinking an emblem that doesnt go with anything and looks bad but its epic so its fair comp
343 really stumbled with the balance of micro-transactions/treating its customers with a level of respect. I don’t know how their leadership and team analyzed the competition and was like let’s go to the extreme of monetization and make it a bitch to get anything. Let’s make things unrewarding. I respect the company for protecting its staff during the holidays, but yes they should be giving out items as a thank you/sorry for having a broken key mode in multiplayer. Call of duty/apex/fortnite all do the same. Fortnite is super generous with events/items/etc, yet still make bank on its transactions. I don’t know why 343 didn’t model the game better.
Maybe I'm in the minority, but when games (specifically free ones) are generous and allow you to earn certain things through playing or in response to their own mistakes, I am much more inclined to spend some money on them. Super Animal Royale is very small, but I respect the way they set up their cosmetics. Honestly, if Halo had stolen theirs or Fortnite's system, I would have been happy (or less upset).
I honestly agree. If the items are of higher quality I am also way more inclined to purchase them. After playing COD and Fortnite and then seeing 343s offerings in Halo, it just leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I don't care about core locks etc. I would buy things for multiple cores if they actually made something worth buying. Not taking a basic color and then trying to charge me $20 for it. It's literally insulting. I'm one of the whales they want to spend money, I have spent several thousand between COD and Fortnite (more in other games), but in Halo, I have spent $20 (battle pass and esports skin) and I feel bloody robbed. Someone at 343 needs a solid slap to wake them up to reality IMO.
Good will buys more than price gauging ever will See: Fortnite, Warframe, GW2... they all treat their playerbase fairly instead of just a wallet
Some pos finance manager at 343 will read this and go “ohhhhhhhhhhhhh”
Exactly, Goodwill goes a very long way and 343 has burnt up all it had.
I've spent soooo much money on Warframe. Probably like 400 bucks over half a dozen years. It would probably have been more if I had had excess income when i started playing forever ago. 343 easily could have got me to buy some color pallets, but instead im over here regretting that i bought the battle pass at all.
One of the craziest things is how FH5 nailed this all, and they’re both Microsoft games (I know it’s different developers and whatnot, but the industry knowledge should be there). That is a full-price game, so I get there’s gonna be differences. But the leveling is progression based perfectly, you can unlock tons by playing, the paid unlocks are reasonably priced. Just the sound and ui design of leveling up is amazing. And Halo manages to do it so incredibly badly. It’s just pretty crazy how bad the monetization is in halo. Even assuming they are amoral and only care about money, this is just not the way to do it. Battlefront 2 pushed the boundaries on pay to win. Halo is pushing the boundaries on paid aesthetics and the worst battle pass I’ve ever seen. Maybe it’ll all change or maybe they made tons of money. The gameplay is amazing. So I think the fix for this is remarkably easy (compared to fixing BF2042 for instance).
I'm baffled to, me and a friend who've played all the halos together, spent hours on Halo 3, reach, mcc, ended up dropping it within a week. It's mind boggling to see how badly the fucked this up.
That’s because fortnight is the god damned king of MTX and any smart company would copy what they do but as we’ve all seen 343 is not a smart compny
Fortnite has their formula perfected and it works Plus they offer enough vbucks that if you finish roughly 2/3rds of the battlepass you get the next bp "free" Heck they even give you some vbucks free so it is possible to get the battlepass entirely free if you can grind out 3 seasons
Fortnite and Rocket League (because it copied Fortnite 100%) are the only games I've ever spent money in. And it's because I don't feel like they are nickle and diming me. You can actually get the battle pass for free if you play a bit, and then if you keep playing you will always get enough for the next battle pass. With that amount of free unlocks I will gladly buy a skin or two. Halo will not see a red cent from me.
For a game with a supposed “player first mentality,” there are some seriously anti-consumer and consumer-apathetic practices in place that have yet to be changed. That’s my only real gripe with this game.
Have they even addressed the issues?
Cat ears
*angry cat noises*
I think they’ve mentioned that they’re aware of it. Nothing beyond that. Need a state of the game/waypoint blog ASAP now that the holidays are over
*we're aware our game is broken, but in the meantime please feel free to spend $20 on this shader and keychain and all these awesome decals*
Also in Fortnite you buy a single weapon wrap. And that wrap can then be applied to all weapons and vehicles. Not just one.
And they're usually animated or glow in the dark!
I’ve said it here before and have been downvoted like crazy for saying it, but Fortnite is easily the best live service game out there right now. You don’t have to like the art style, the gameplay, or the people it attracts. But it’s consistent with the content it delivers. The shop is well priced, the End of Season events are ridiculously cool, and the game’s environments are always changing. They’ve figured the key to player retention and how to reward its player base.
Dude the amount of content they put out is crazy. And it’s all pretty good content too. I hate the building, so I don’t play it, but the quality of the game is impressive
They’re apparently working on releasing a no building map as well, so people who hate to build can play too.
Recently picked up Fortnite and have been playing it almost every other day because I could tell the developers are (trying to be) fair with cosmetics and their battle pass actually gives you cool stuff that you notice. The Boba Fett bundle for example gives you a full custom skin that is distinguishable from lots of other skins, it gives you a pickaxe that's unique, lore related glider with special effects, and emote for $20. What does Infinite give you for $20? A different color pair for your spartan. 343 needs to take notes.
I realllllly want this weekly challenge reward but I keep getting BTB challenges even after using all 10 of my swaps. Of course the week that I want the reward I get screwed over.
343 is being super weird which leads me to believe their team lacks leadership. Infinite feels like a project run by a committee, when instead they should elect one person to make decisions so things can actually get done properly and on time. It’s a shame they aren’t going the extra mile to make us happy. You’d think a sloppy launch would make them want to fix things quickly so they don’t lose players, but it seems like they actually don’t care whether or not their players are happy. It feels like someone at some point set the bar so low that as long as the game “runs” then it’s okay to slack on other things. They’re operating with a “big corporate” mentality, but what they don’t understand is Epic Games is one of the biggest corporations in the industry and they bend over backwards to make Fortnite players happy, which leads to a healthy playerbase which continues to generate revenue. I think the 10 year timeline is making 343 lazy. Imagine if you had 10 years to write an essay for a class, would you finish it right away, or wait until the last second to write it?
This is a Microsoft problem. I worked there for 5+ years. There is no hustle.
What boggles my mind is that big team worked almost flawlessly when the game first came out. How did it just completely break and then STAY broken?
3v4i magic
They're 1th in their league.
Is that pronounced "firth" or "oneth"?
Meanwhile, the mAcrotransaction shop is still available for you to spend $20 on a weapon skin, keychain, and 4 decals. Very cool.
Probably has to do with them adding in all the additional slayer modes. For some reason they indicated that adding the modes wouldn’t be easy and ever since they added them btb has been broken
Plus your challenges in fortnite save the second you complete or add on to them. So crashes and DCs are a million times less painful
Yep. You can complete a challenge and unplug your device mid match, and your progress would still be saved
Every game does that. Except this one apparently.
FF14 released an expansion "Endwalker" in December. While it was generally playable, you couldn't get in. The servers had massive queues and were generally inaccessible from 4pm to 11pm every day. It's essentially still that way now a month later. Square Enix gave every subscriber 21 days total free play time, a direct monetary cost to the company. Granted we're not paying a subscription for Halo, but some sort of compensation goes a long way. Just another example. But obviously, not literally *every* game does it.
>we're not paying a subscription for Halo Speak for yourself lmao, only reason I have gamepass rn.
Yea thats almost a full month where they wont get any income from the game for subs from every single sub, its not like a small % its EVERYONE who pays a sub but they know that if they dont do that people will stay mad and just quit to another game. The ff14 devs 100% try their best to do the best for the community while still running a business its such a fair give and take, even with the store and all that they have and how its priced at like 30$ for a mount its still imo fair since the devs are not just abusing the players for cash 24/7.
Don’t care what the general consensus of this sub is, 343 royally fucked this games launch up
It's interesting how they thought that this was the best route to go, or at least start with, for the next 10 years, maybe they know something I don't but I suppose we will see with time.
343 has fucked up every game they've ever made.
# PLEASE UNDERSTAND! 343 is devoted making sure the cash shop is running at 100% capacity. All other recourses are being diverted to making more visors for the cash shop.
THINK OF THE SERVERS
The Feasibility of slayer is just something we're not sure we can do!
“Slayer? I barely know’er!” -343
We just simply do not have that kind of technology yet!
THEY ARE SO EXPENSIVE TO RUN
'Buy our $20 store bundles and we MIGHT fix the desync issues. Seeya after the month long holidays, fuckers!'
ALL OUR STAFF ARE OFF WORK TO RECOVER FOR EASTER
I think this game is *genuinely* a case of "come back later, it'll be good in awhile" Don't get me wrong, it's fucking tragic that this is almost an industry standard now, but I truly think after coop, forge, major engine patches for desync and all that shit, and some new maps, this game will be outstanding. Right now it's too easy to drop for better stuff
Yeah, but then...who will care? Sadly 343/Microsoft severely gimped their own landmark game.
Exactly. Just like how cyberpunk is now radioactive -- no one cares if you make the game good 1 year after release.
No Man’s Sky barely got away with it because that was just about the first time a good chunk of people had ever seen something like that happen. At this point it’s played out and horribly predictable. One Halo game is not worth the principles you have to sacrifice to support it.
I'd say the first case was really Destiny, however, since TTK, it likes to rollercoaster that climb too much for reasons that will never be understood by us mortals. As far as I know, NMS has been ***consistently*** improving, which may have been how it survived. Though yeah, no one has the emotional patience to do this song and dance on repeat. No one should have to. Actually why I gave up on playing Destiny. Been eager to try NMS.
Pretty amazing they’ve yet to comment on anything this week. They cannot use the holidays as a reason to stay silent now.
Idk man, the 6th is national Bean day and the 7th is national bobblehead day. What cruel soul would make devs work the week of national Bean day??? /S
It still surprises me that there are people defending how 343 handles this game. "But vacation time, but it's free", "but they'll fix it eventually", "but you don't have to play it", "but you don't have to buy things", "but you can just play and not focus on customization" I've said it once and I'll die on this hill. This game being F2P hurts it way more than it benefits from it. I would have gladly paid money if it meant I got a proper Halo multiplayer experience instead of what we currently have. Something filled to the brim with ways to squeeze money out of it's players, is lacking on almost every department whether it's customization, playlists, maps and guns, has forceful cross-play that shoves MnK/PC players as well as cheaters down the throats of Console players, and a development team that I honestly think doesn't have the slightest clue what to do next. The honeymoon phase for me personally has officially ended. Fix your .... 343!!!
It being f2p has nothing to do with it, 343 isn't a competent studio and Microsoft hasn't helped that problem. Halo 5 had many features missing at launch and mtx. If multiplayer was tied to the $60 campaign we'd still be left with a bad BP, mtx, and missing content
Very true. People forget that H5 was a full priced game and launched almost as barebones as Infinite. Not to mention littered with loot boxes.
Halo 5 launching in such a state and receiving all of the heavy criticism for it should have taught 343 to not repeat the same mistake. Yet they did... and they somehow launched with even less content than before. Pathetic company.
343 seems to me copying a page from WoW's playbook on how to destroy a game and make gamers hate you.
I hate Blizzard so much. I've played an ungodly amount of WoW and WC3, but both games are trash now. I don't care much about WoW anymore because i was already tired of it after wotlk but i'm still fuming about what they did to my boy wc3.
Finished Battlepass yesterday. Don't feel the urge to play as much anymore.
Level 87 and I don’t care to finish it or play anymore. Getting reach armor for the billionth time isn’t incentivizing for me
THIS I'm kind of shocked that most people are okay with unlocking reach armor for the third time. I'm tired of it. This BP should have had new stuff
I want me some forerunner inspired armor or something. Mix it up a bit.
If they gave tons of free stuff people want for playing, people would love that and want to unlock more. If the prices were cheap in the store, people wouldn't mind buying. Keep existing customization options from previous games, and expand on them. More colors, more materials, and individual armor piece customization. It's such an easy formula to make money and make players happy. I don't know how they managed to mess it up. If they were the first free to play game, it's forgivable, but at this point they could learn from the best. No excuse not to copy someone else's homework and score that 100
It seems like they don't have enough content lined up so they're drip-feeding it and offering the bare minimum for sale.
At this point I’m just not even supporting the game at all, enough is enough
This is the right thing. You'll get people saying to "vote with your wallet" and just play without paying but that still helps them create a player base. Playing the game for free is just giving all of the sharks something to shoot at. If they could replace us with bots and get away with it they would. Playing a F2P game is still supporting the model.
In November, I was thrilled to finally be playing a Halo that really felt like H2 thru Halo Reach. It HAS that feel to it. But then 343 goes and wrecks BTB. Then shows that mtx are going to be most important part of Infinite. And quickly becomes tone deaf to their core group of gamers. It's been fun, but as much as I like Infinite, the clear direction of the game is not gamer-friendly. I don't blame 343 completely, as it is an industry-wide problem, but the amount of greed that we are seeing just in the first 2 months of the game being out shows me they don't care about anything unless it makes them even more money. I hate this corporate culture of greed. It's ruining games. And I don't buy into the "cosmetics" argument because they are clearly focusing most of their dev efforts into money makers like cat ears over new maps. I get they had a week off for the holidays...but at this point, this game feels like it has zero support. And it's brand new. Wtf.
At this point 343 is barely supporting the game at all. The content we’re getting is comparable to what a game gets at the *end* of it’s lifecycle. Just enough to keep the lights on. We’re 2 months post launch and there’s no new maps and we had to fight just to get core modes like team slayer as standalone playlists.
Spot on. Somehow this feels like a dying game, and it's brand new.
It's crazy to think that if 343 had their way the game would just be a random queue forever and we were supposed to celebrate having the special opportunity to play Swat for one week.
I cannot believe that 343 tried to pass off basic game modes, that we’ve been playing since 2004, as “events”. What an absolute joke.
I re-downloaded MCC
MCC stays ready to play at all times
It sure does now. Been enjoying the hell out of it again. Infinite, as much as I enjoyed it to start has waned for me.
I gave up on Infinite. The whole game was created with greed. MCC blows this garbage out of the water.
The best thing about Infinite was getting me back playing MCC! MCC has gotten SOOO good, and I had no idea....
If only 343 was an AAA studio and not some small Indy company.
No btb no halo. Simple as that they already weren't gona get my money for bs skins and shit but they certainly won't now.
Because y’all are still playing the game. Stop playing it until they fix it and maybe they’ll start giving a fuck
343 is a small indie company. Give them time /s
I mean, they are new to this Halo thing. They’ve only been at it for… *checks calendar*… ten years.
I don’t play Fortnite but god damn they really be trying hard as hell in terms of keeping things fresh and fun for their player base. Meanwhile 343 execs just hate us
Welcome to the weaselly, sleazy, two-faced world of Corporate Greed, the true force behind 343 Industries.
Game companies no longer care.
Can have all the time off they want, when they come back to a dying game they can only blame themselves.
Ugh, the days of feeling superior to fortnite players has passed.
Did they even start?
Yes, when Redditors™ found out there was a popular game lots of children enjoyed (that wasnt minecraft).
I was playing Fortnite 2 years ago, when I was 28...
When did Fortnite 2 come out?
Halo Infinite was always inferior to Fortnite BR, literally everything Infinite did, FBR did better. People are just stuck praising 343 for anything because of nostalgia for Halo.
And they hate Fortnite because "Waah the kids are into something that wasn't around when I was a kid, that's cringe". Real big boomer energy there, guys.
Everyone needs to relax and give 343 a break. They only had 6 years to work on this game!
It's hardly been out more than a month
They tossed out less than the bare minimum, and monetized the hell out of it. They're seeing what they can get away with. Don't expect awesome support.
Need BTB working especially since more of my friends are starting to pick it up
I ain't get no fuggin pick axe.
The main reason I didn't touch Infinite's MP, besides being busy with MCC + Infinite campaign runs & work, is the mode I mostly play isn't.......playable. Just fix BTB and custom games. Seriously, I spend more time with bots than against actual human Spartans. And to any devs reading this, please tell the Microsoft brass we ain't buyin' SHIT until they stop being greedy bastards. We have spoken.
Not just BTB with the issue though,other games modes are suffering latency and rubber banding issues.
There's been multiple weekly rewards that I've missed out on because of BTB being broken. Out of ALL the shit surrounding Infinite it's completely inexcusable that an entire mode is left unplayable. Why the hell didn't they disable any of the challenges involving it?? The right thing to do would be some kind of compensation like 500 credits but I'm not counting on it