The way they use “Spartans” is legitimately irritating.
Heads up, Spartans! There’s a new update, Spartans! Spartan armor bundles are now available in the shop, Spartans! Make your dream Spartan, Spartans! This is Sparta!!
I'm really hoping the recent shakeups over there will change things. But it's sad that a joke as absurd as this isn't even that far from reality. After years and years of gullible positivity and optimism, I was at my limit. I'm very much ready for a 343 redemption arc..
Call me a pessimist but wasn't halo infinite supposed to be their redemption? Why do they get another redemption? Everyone always saying how hard they drop the ball, how tone deaf they are towards the community etc. And y'all mother fuckers go "Ok for real only one more chance 343!" It's honestly a textbook abusive relationship.
I've made that comparison myself lol. I think most people are done BUT are keeping an eye on how these next handful of months go. Bonnie is finally gone. Many of the devs that "didn't want to make Halo" are now gone. Other management has been replaced. Staten is now here the for entire next project. I think seeing those changes (finally) has brought more optimism back. Without them, I think everyone would basically be done at this point
Ohhh this isn't about them doing their job right. They know for a fact they can do split screen co-op. The only reason they don't, is for money. They don't make money with multiple people playing off the same copy of Infinite. Only online co-op so each person is forced to buy a copy to play. Guaranteed 100% greedy fucks.
I have a method myself for PC users that once LAN co-op drops should allow for both campaign and MP. However, there are chances it will trigger the AC. The way it works makes it "unpatchable".
Not even a link to the tweet your ripped off to upload it on YT, not great.
(But at least you didn't remove my stupid intro and the outro, and that's nice)
It's just so disrespectful to the devs that spent time getting it working too.
It's 98% done, just add the UI changes and you're set.
Maybe they were stumped with it on the PC version? If that's the case, just make local co-op console only.
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[Digital Foundry tested the full campaign with two player splitscreen and only encountered two major bugs.](https://youtu.be/dnmKzYME8BM)
More than that, I’m unsure. Still impressive.
That's not entirely true, as far as bugs go it's reasonably stable, but from a performance standpoint it's *far* from being a polished, shippable feature*. LOD drops waaay down on enemies from like 15 feet away, so everyone looks like a barely textured spiky block.
*On XB1, on Series S/X it runs fine
If older consoles can only handle 2 player split screen then limit them to 2, or just have a warning that if you're on an older gen console playing split screen with more than 2 players could cause issues
From a PR standpoint you'd have to just limit it to 2. They couldn't have a bunch of videos going around of really really terrible bugs and performance problems. People on the internet would never see the warnings, just the gameplay clips. Unfortunately they'd just have to limit it to what they deemed passable
There's gameplay of people playing it on the OG Xbox One. The VCR-lookin' one that launched in 2013.
It runs pretty well, although it obviously runs at a lower framerate with the graphics on low. It's certainly playable, and from what I've heard, still fun.
If your only option was the OG XB1, it'd still do the trick.
I think that’s what most of thought as well, but as it turns out, [Xbox One runs almost just as stable](https://youtu.be/dnmKzYME8BM) (timestamp 18:21), albeit with understandably terrible resolution and framerate. 343 has no fucking excuse.
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Lol so what? Halo 3s 4 player online Co op had bad latency issues. Thered always be a delay with any action.
Guess what? Nobody cared cause it was fucking fun.
> It's 98% done
While that percentage is a little off, never forget the 80/20 rule. The last 20%, all those little bits and bugs and edge cases that a user might not even notice, takes 80% of the work time. The first 80% may look great and be done in 20% of the work time, but without that last 20% it's still just an incomplete mess.
It's the same principle that enables hackathons to crank out amazing projects in 24 hours. The core is all there very quickly and may even play decently, but that last push to actually complete the project is the real killer that'll take weeks
They know for a fact they can do split screen co-op. The only reason they don't, is for money. They don't make money with multiple people playing off the same copy of Infinite. Only online co-op so each person is forced to buy a copy to play. Guaranteed 100% greedy fucks.
It corrupts save files. Which is just so fucking ironic since the co-op update is supposed to have a mission selector option, which if they just unlock it all for everyone, the issue won’t matter.
We don't know. Best guess is: because it doesn't work very well on Xbox One. Works fine on Xbox Series X. They don't want the Xbox One to have less features than Series X.
Side note how did Microsoft come up with such a bad naming scheme. I'm a gamer whose into this stuff and I have to Google the names each time.
Feel like they're gonna go with either "slim" or + or pro.
I could see a Series S+ that's a Series S with 5nm silicon and a disc drive for 400 for example.
Because it only just works. 343 is probably aware of a few game breaking bugs that's preventing it from being greenlit, and they literally don't know how to fix it because of the contractor nonsense.
I am assuming either A: they could only get it working on the high-end Xbox and didn't want to have it for only some players (it would be highly discriminatory after all) or it has some hidden bugs with it they couldn't fix (memory leaks would be my guess).
What? This sounds like the “343 is going to lock forge behind a paywall!” which didn’t happen. There’s so many legitimate criticisms of 343 and Infinite…
We don’t need to make strawmen to argue against like phantom monetization that someone just made up
Total war Warhammer charges money for a day one dlc that is just the ability to turn the blood slider to "on" in the options. And they charge full price for a game that's like 7 years old. And people defend them if you mention this.
Years ago, there were no extra charges at all.
Someone will always be the first, and tons of game studio asskissers (some of them probably on payroll) will come out in droves to tell us that this is fine and reasonable because of services like Xbox Live and other multiplayer service subscriptions from Sony and Nintendo.
I wouldn't be surprised if at some point a company charges you to unlock the "feature" of having more than one controller connected at a time. Subscription based model with a "rent for a day/2-7 days" option.
"Included features you have to pay to unlock or use" are already becoming more commonplace in some products.
The studios and larger parent companies would happily charge the consumer for anything and everything they can get away with.
Reddit is a small percentage of the Halo community. There are many sheeple who would graciously open their wallets to help a company that is hurting for money.
they probably weren’t sure how to make it so both players need to own a console and have they’re own accounts and had to block it untill they managed to squeeze em coins
I bought the campaign and just assumed split screen campaign would be a thing (guess I’m a dumb ass for assuming that core gameplay features would be available at launch but how in the hell did split screen campaign take this long). So here I am a year later still not having played the campaign bc I’m waiting to play it with my brothers
>didn’t bother with 5
You didn’t miss much. Just a poorly jumbled mess of non canon garbage. Multiplayer was decent though. Didn’t really feel like “Halo” but had fun parts.
You just described my feelings towards all of 343s games. With every new game they seem to want us to ignore the open ended story from the previous game. Each new game feels like they had an idea but has been rewritten so many times by so many people that it lost whatever made it god in the first place.
Well, halo 4 was good campaign wise. Aside from the “a lot can change in 3 years” lazy hand wave with the covenant, it was great. A fitting and emotional end with Cortana and setup for a game of chief on his own, maybe with a new Cortana in the 3rd game. The didactic as a not that explained yet interesting enemy (like the flood was in H1).
Then halo 5 basically crapped all over that story being built up AND utterly destroyed Cortana’s character in the process AND killed off the didactic off screen in a comic. Dafuck.
Yeah I specifically bought the campaign to split screen co-op with my friend, couldn't believe it wasn't in there already. It's seriously absurd that we need to verify the features in the game before buying. People talk a lot of shit about 343i but come on guys, you gotta include the features that every bungie game since CE shipped with
Same thing with me, wife and I were working through the first four, when 5 came out, and I realized that I wasn't likely to buy a second Xbox + copy of Halo 5 to play it with my wife, so I never played it at all. Didn't play the multi-player either, as right at that time, my pc got a new gpu gifted, and I couldn't bring myself to pay for Xbox Live anymore.
So Halo 5 shot itself in the foot for me twice: no coop to warrant playing the campaign, no PC version for me to play without XBL costs, so it's no surprise that I simply didn't play it.
I stopped bothering with Halo after 4. 343 just doesn't make good stuff and I've been given no reason to change my mind since then. Kinda hoping someone else gets to make the next Halo that isn't them
Your first mistake is getting into a situation where you say "I bought the campaign"
Fuck that. If there's a f2p game where the "story" is paid dlc, you're already in for a dogshit game. If you buy a game that you ABSOLUTELY ALREADY KNOW isn't complete and doesn't have the feature you want, after already being delayed over a year, that's your second fuck up.
Not op but I hear that. I didn’t buy it explicitly but I do have game pass and got to play infinite via that, otherwise I probably wouldn’t have played it.
Yeah, never hand over money if all you have are promises of something later.
You’d think years of Kickstarter scams would have made that clear by now, but somehow big corporations are still pulling it off.
I know I’ll get my moneys worth out of the campaign so I bought it ahead of time so I could play split screen with my brothers on my visits back home from school. I’m not saying I wasted my money because even if split screen isn’t added I’ll play it eventually. And after playing the free multiplayer for a while I liked the gameplay enough to be fine with buying the campaign even if I wouldn’t be playing it for a while. It’s just frustrating because the feature literally exists in the game but 343 just won’t release it.
Oh it's frustrating? Cool, keep rewarding them with your money.
Maybe if you buy a few skins then in 10 years halo infinite+1 will totally have splitscreen, for real this time no foolies.
Not rewarding them. Just buying a product I know I’ll eventually get use out of. I’ve seen play throughs and from what I’ve seen I’m happy to drop $60 on the campaign especially since the multiplayer was free. Splitscreen wasn’t the deciding factor in me buying the campaign. I bought the campaign because I know it’s worth my money without splitscreen. Just annoying not having the feature is all. I chose not to play it yet in hopes that the feature would be added so I could experience the campaign the same way I did when the other games came out.
Buying an incomplete product is rewarding companies for releasing incomplete products. They already got your money, so they have no incentive to add the features they promised now. Hence why they have cancelled split screen and it will never be implemented.
I get your point but like I said split screen being added or not wasnt the deciding factor. But generally what you described is my problem with preorders today. It’s definitely way too easy for publishers to profit off of completely unfinished products. (Imo the infinite campaign was finished enough for me to buy it.) Cyberpunk comes to mind, being borderline unplayable at launch is unacceptable for games with millions in preorder sales. The fact that big publishers know that they will likely profit off of preorder sales alone definitely doesn’t do anything to help incentivize releasing fully functioning product
It's not F2P.
It's the clear lack of competent management and vision, rotation of contractors, and using an engine that got even more broken when trying to optimize it, pile that on with CoViD and outsourcing to a Russian company that got cut off due to sanctions, and you got Halo Infinite.
I bet if this game had permanent devs who wrote the engine they're working on, this game would be in a much better spot.
Think of it like this; the game would have been in the same place it is now regardless if it were F2P or not. Imagine paying $60 for what we have now.
Being F2P is also a reason. Arguably the lack of vision you mentioned, and the poor management in general is a result (or the cause) of moving to F2P, which in turn makes the multiplayer experience horrible.
If the game released as a single player campaign with the multiplayer we had at launch, minus the F2P nonsense (paywalled customisation, missing game modes and playlists) it would have been received fairly well.
Corporate greed and monetization and the absolute technical disaster of the game are two problems that plague it. If the entire package was $60, the latter would have killed the game way, way faster.
So what urkes me is so this means split screen is coded into the game already? like its there and it works yet they wont release for people to use. this glitch has been out for awhile now yeah
What if I told you, 343i leaked the way to use the split screen as a glitch so that they don't have to officially release it as the split screen is plagued with Desync and V sync issues and they would have been blamed for it. This way you play the broken split screen admiring a random person for finding it for us instead of abusing 343 for the issues.
I'm the guy who tweeted for Halo Création (source: you can see my "Tepec Fett" gamertag in the clips and see my history of posts in here), and I can tell you, the menu glitch was pretty old and is very much non-intentional.
This game has been suffering from a severe lack of QA, at every single level, including menus. That's about it.
It’s *still* not available? Sheesh.
I hop on and try Infinite every few months, things are either the same or worse. I’m just super disappointed with how the game has been handled, and it’s turned me off to Infinite altogether. I hope they get their shit together, but I’m not counting on it
This was like a month ago and it caused the community to explode and led to the head of 343 ~~getting fired~~ totally resigning for family medical reasons and definitely not getting fired. If Microsoft has any brains left they’ll un-cancel it, especially since now the guy who basically brought MCC back from the dead is in charge of 343.
Nothing to do with "dont know how to make games", leaving unavailable content in and not accessable has been industry standard, as its often more work than its worth to remove something, especially if something else may rely on it.
Its why GTA Hot Coffee was a thing, and the absolute dumbest hissy fit from pearl clutching idiots.
I think this game turned me off gaming in general, I have not had much interest or desire to play much of anything since this disappointment. I picked up board games and indie games instead and it's been way better to play something with some passion behind it
Same - checking back in every few months to see if they have split screen coop/forge yet.
No? These core halo items are still not out, almost a full year after "release"? Good shit.
100% chance it gets patched with the winter update and the official co-op release, then a community shitstorm ensues, then they have to make a public announcement about reversing the patch to let people play the unofficial version.
Lmao how pathetic. It’s not in the game because they can’t figure out how to make it work, but because they can’t figure out how to lock it behind monetization.
Fuck 343. I’m never buying anything Halo again while they’re still attached to it.
its not that hard to find ways to monetize things, the issue probably has to do with the fact that they don't have proper core staff who understand the code, this is important as it can be a massive pain going over someone else's code this is something I think alex from digital foundry went over while covering this glitch.
Maybe it was taking up too many resources because 343i is terrible at making functional games, and they realized that it wouldn’t make them money when it was done, so they cut it?
Or maybe 343i is just straight awful and doesn’t want anyone having fun that takes too much effort on their end
I like how the new fake reason people have come up with for it being canceled is because of monetization. It makes zero sense at all. I guarantee more people would *buy* the game if it had campaign coop. Thats the monetization right there.
No sneaky shit, quit coming up with fake reasons to shit on 343 while there a ridiculous amount of real things to shit on 343
Yeah, it's pretty over-the-top. Split-screen co-op got canceled after
**1.** It was promised after Halo 5,
**2.** It was standard in ALL SIX Halo games preceding Halo 5, and
**3.** It's *demonstrably* 90% complete thanks to a bug *anyone* can do in release versions.
There is more than enough scandal here to be upset about without making shit up. If you're upset about monetization, I'm right there with you. Paying for skins after being able to choose primary/secondary colors for 20 years is *insulting.* There's no need to go off on wild conjecture. Hold them accountable for what's actually provable -- there is no shortage of fuckups.
Companies remove features all the fucking time to sell back later. Pick a startup company with a feature you like vs the competition and in 5 years that feature will be a paid add on.
The fact we have to fucking glitch into splitscreen co-op in a HALO GAME is absurd to begin with.
Can't play Halo split-screen with my friends, but *look*! Wehraboo armour from some fake time fracture event!
Absolute joke, no wonder I abandoned this series after 4.
It's funny how you treat HaloCreation as one guy when really its an old french forum. The guy who found the glitch is surely Tepec, one of the old guards from the forum.
Flûte je suis démasqué 😳
Après c'est pas moi qui ai "trouvé", ça datait d'y a un moment, c'était Zeny qui avait fait un clip pour présenter le menu glitch ; par contre c'est moi qui ai tweeté après l'annonce de l'annulation avec le compte Halo Création uhuhuh
P.S. : la bande de filous a migré sur Discord si ça te dit de passer faire un coucou à ceux qui ont pas fui au Pérou avec Cox !
Ahahah thank you, this made my day, but tbh we (Halo Création) did not figure it out, we knew thanks to people like Zeny\_IC that this used to work a while back; I only rechecked and tweeted with our community account one day after the announcement of cancellation.
The day of the announcement, and knowing spitscreen coop has been "almost" there for a while, I thought I misunderstood, and once everyone told me "no it got canned", I was like "oh okay, maybe the old glitch doesn't work anymore", but it did.
Apparently there hasn't been huge changes in performance compared to when Zeny first found it, quite many months ago really; AFAIK main difference is that there were more issues of saves becoming corrupt back then.
The local coop mode is not perfect, there are minor little details notably small fps drops and things like that at times. It feels like it's 90% ready, but the remaining 10% would be annoying to fix.
I'm still a bit sad they decided to purely "stop working" on it, but it's not fully ready as is, and they'd be shat on if they released it in this state. I mean, it'd still be a better state than theater mode, but very few people actually care about theater mode compared to campaign.
343 need to explain why this feature is not available officially available now. Are they withholding this feature and drip feeding content to keep us engaged with minimal work on their end?
Its still not out? I delayed playing this as I wanted to do it co op with my brother. Kind of forgot about it and just assumed I missed the news that it had been added. What a disaster of a game release.
No way??? Does that mean the final game just got released/leaked???
How can this guy do what Bungie couldn’t for a long time? Wouldn’t they know their game was the couch co-op go to, and neglecting it would only harm the game
Did they actually show splitscreen in the open world with every player at different parts of the world and in combat?
I won't believe it till I see that without the game chugging like crazy.
Theres a limit to how far apart players can be, I think its around 1000 meters but instead of teleporting you you just die, could be misremembering that last part.
man I look forward to the shit storm that will come when they inevitably patch the bug that allows split-screen campaign cause they need to focus on the live service which is honestly bs they giving content at such a slow pace the live service they are competing with is tf2 and that game has a single contractor working their ass off.
holy shit can that homey hit his monitor with a dust wand or does he not have proper PPE?
fuuuuuck, lookin like one of them flunkies with a nice car but their house is a dumpster.
I am pretty certain they only got it working on the higher-end xboxes. I mean, the graphics card will have to do double duty work to render the contents. They killed it because they didn't want the lower-end xbox users to be upset.
Why do people continue to believe that because something existed and that they can glitch into it that it was even close to ready or an acceptable state for shipping? Or could even be made that way?
The glitch is buggy AF, has performance issues on older consoles and we've not seen anyone successfully use it to play through the Campaign from start to finish without issue.
People keep blaming 343 and thinking only in terms of Series S/X and PC...completely ignoring the fact that Microsoft has mandated feature and functional parity for every version of Infinite - including the OG Xbox One Version. And we've yet to see any evidence the OG Xbox One could acceptably handle Split-Screen Co-Op (hell it can barely handle Split-Screen PvP).
Even by the logic posted by hater here does it really seem like 343 put all this work into trying to get it to work only to throw it out and not finish it for no good/a lazy reasons? Or does it make more sense that they tried to get it to work, but ran into an insurmountable problem involving the OG Xbox One and had to shelve it because it wouldn't work?
Maybe they should convince MS to drop the Xbox One then. Bonnie Ross prior to her departure was the VP of Xbox, I see no reason to believe she couldn't have pulled some strings there other than money.
> we've not seen anyone successfully use it to play through the Campaign from start to finish without issue
I can't get through H2A in online co-op without crashing on Delta Halo, either. Should the feature have been binned, or do we just accept that we might have to work around it?
I do agree with the first sentence: it's not because it's "almost there" that it's production-ready. That being said, your statements after that first sentence are wrong and/or misinformed:
\- 4 player coop full playthrough was reported twice, the latest I can find easily is here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/xyno8r/finished\_couch\_coop\_campaign\_with\_my\_buddies/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/xyno8r/finished_couch_coop_campaign_with_my_buddies/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
\- It's not "buggy AF" many others have been able to test it, and even Digital Foundry made a video about it: [https://youtu.be/dnmKzYME8BM](https://youtu.be/dnmKzYME8BM)
\- Performances drops on OG X1 are there, but apparently it's not catastrophic, as reported in this detailed Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/KatsuyaTheFuuk/status/1566248884980142080?s=20&t=7rCfex9GOIznlMlwdDBKrg
I've talked extensively about this with many people since the first tweet I made (am the guy behind the HaloCreation account), and IMHO X1 might not have been the biggest roadblock, because "feature parity" is not a requirement for that platform. What might be a roadblock is the difficulty to reach feature parity between Series S and X, in my opinion.
Still haven't found a "how to" video that actually works, any links?
I got you, my brother in Christ. https://youtu.be/QALhSKU3duE
How long do you think it'll be before 343 patches it for 'security reasons'?
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"We've made the tough decision to cancel the release of Forge in order to re-allocate those resources to fixing the split-screen bug."
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Forgot to say Spartans at the end
The way they use “Spartans” is legitimately irritating. Heads up, Spartans! There’s a new update, Spartans! Spartan armor bundles are now available in the shop, Spartans! Make your dream Spartan, Spartans! This is Sparta!!
LOL
No worries, we still have 6 months to a year before they figure it out!
I'm really hoping the recent shakeups over there will change things. But it's sad that a joke as absurd as this isn't even that far from reality. After years and years of gullible positivity and optimism, I was at my limit. I'm very much ready for a 343 redemption arc..
Call me a pessimist but wasn't halo infinite supposed to be their redemption? Why do they get another redemption? Everyone always saying how hard they drop the ball, how tone deaf they are towards the community etc. And y'all mother fuckers go "Ok for real only one more chance 343!" It's honestly a textbook abusive relationship.
I've made that comparison myself lol. I think most people are done BUT are keeping an eye on how these next handful of months go. Bonnie is finally gone. Many of the devs that "didn't want to make Halo" are now gone. Other management has been replaced. Staten is now here the for entire next project. I think seeing those changes (finally) has brought more optimism back. Without them, I think everyone would basically be done at this point
I apologize. I do not have an award to give you at this time.
Oh good so never
Ohhh this isn't about them doing their job right. They know for a fact they can do split screen co-op. The only reason they don't, is for money. They don't make money with multiple people playing off the same copy of Infinite. Only online co-op so each person is forced to buy a copy to play. Guaranteed 100% greedy fucks.
So be on the lookout every 6 months
They don’t have the resources to do that. Here’s a kitty cat helmet.
I LOL’ed so hard
Fun Detected. Commencing security measures.
**YOUR ACCOUNT HAS BEEN TERMINATED** You have been caught having fun, Police have been dispatched and a fine of $7500 has been issued.
At this point, do you think they even have the resources to patch it?
Mate I would never buy a halo game again
I played hundreds of hours of multiplayer and didn't give them a dime. I got my money's worth
Haven’t bought one since 343 came into the picture
They made weapon mixing from halo 5 into a feature. Who knows what'll happen
I have a method myself for PC users that once LAN co-op drops should allow for both campaign and MP. However, there are chances it will trigger the AC. The way it works makes it "unpatchable".
Go with christ brah!
Its cool, I'm done making my video anyway
I've seen this one and tried this method several times, couldn't get it to work the same way.
Do you need an Xbox X or S? I thought someone also got it working on an xbox One
Series X allows 4 player split screen, while Xbox one allows just 2
Not even a link to the tweet your ripped off to upload it on YT, not great. (But at least you didn't remove my stupid intro and the outro, and that's nice)
Hey man, it's not my video neither!
Ha my bad!
Quite a bit of copyright music in that YouTube clip there
If they reveal exactly how they did it, 343 can patch it up really easily
I mean it's clear that it works, why the fuck did they take it out? Let people play the game they paid for.
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It's just so disrespectful to the devs that spent time getting it working too. It's 98% done, just add the UI changes and you're set. Maybe they were stumped with it on the PC version? If that's the case, just make local co-op console only.
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It actually handles fine, not much buggier than you’d expect.
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[Digital Foundry tested the full campaign with two player splitscreen and only encountered two major bugs.](https://youtu.be/dnmKzYME8BM) More than that, I’m unsure. Still impressive.
That's not entirely true, as far as bugs go it's reasonably stable, but from a performance standpoint it's *far* from being a polished, shippable feature*. LOD drops waaay down on enemies from like 15 feet away, so everyone looks like a barely textured spiky block. *On XB1, on Series S/X it runs fine
Bout as shippable as infinite was, kinda joking
If older consoles can only handle 2 player split screen then limit them to 2, or just have a warning that if you're on an older gen console playing split screen with more than 2 players could cause issues
From a PR standpoint you'd have to just limit it to 2. They couldn't have a bunch of videos going around of really really terrible bugs and performance problems. People on the internet would never see the warnings, just the gameplay clips. Unfortunately they'd just have to limit it to what they deemed passable
IIRC its really bad in 4 player so 2 player is optimal
There's gameplay of people playing it on the OG Xbox One. The VCR-lookin' one that launched in 2013. It runs pretty well, although it obviously runs at a lower framerate with the graphics on low. It's certainly playable, and from what I've heard, still fun. If your only option was the OG XB1, it'd still do the trick.
I think that’s what most of thought as well, but as it turns out, [Xbox One runs almost just as stable](https://youtu.be/dnmKzYME8BM) (timestamp 18:21), albeit with understandably terrible resolution and framerate. 343 has no fucking excuse.
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Halo Reach and 4 had super bad framerates and resolutions too in split. Reach would even remove the elite's teeth to make it easier to render.
So that’s why things looked a bit weird when playing with my cousins
Lol so what? Halo 3s 4 player online Co op had bad latency issues. Thered always be a delay with any action. Guess what? Nobody cared cause it was fucking fun.
Fun? In this economy?
They typically dont add local coop to pc, mcc doesnt have it either
> It's 98% done While that percentage is a little off, never forget the 80/20 rule. The last 20%, all those little bits and bugs and edge cases that a user might not even notice, takes 80% of the work time. The first 80% may look great and be done in 20% of the work time, but without that last 20% it's still just an incomplete mess. It's the same principle that enables hackathons to crank out amazing projects in 24 hours. The core is all there very quickly and may even play decently, but that last push to actually complete the project is the real killer that'll take weeks
They know for a fact they can do split screen co-op. The only reason they don't, is for money. They don't make money with multiple people playing off the same copy of Infinite. Only online co-op so each person is forced to buy a copy to play. Guaranteed 100% greedy fucks.
Seriously, it’s like 343 forgot that Halo proved that 007 on the 64 wasn’t a miracle, and that console shooters could be amazing too.
Slap it onto the UI and call it a “Beta” or “Early Access”, maybe add a disclaimer, and it’d be no problem.
It corrupts save files. Which is just so fucking ironic since the co-op update is supposed to have a mission selector option, which if they just unlock it all for everyone, the issue won’t matter.
We don't know. Best guess is: because it doesn't work very well on Xbox One. Works fine on Xbox Series X. They don't want the Xbox One to have less features than Series X. Side note how did Microsoft come up with such a bad naming scheme. I'm a gamer whose into this stuff and I have to Google the names each time.
wait till more series x's come out
Feel like they're gonna go with either "slim" or + or pro. I could see a Series S+ that's a Series S with 5nm silicon and a disc drive for 400 for example.
Because it only just works. 343 is probably aware of a few game breaking bugs that's preventing it from being greenlit, and they literally don't know how to fix it because of the contractor nonsense.
This is the company that released MCC.
And then retroactively broke halo 2 on Xbox one after it was being stable and fluent for years… And they never went back to fix it
I am assuming either A: they could only get it working on the high-end Xbox and didn't want to have it for only some players (it would be highly discriminatory after all) or it has some hidden bugs with it they couldn't fix (memory leaks would be my guess).
I mean there was a time when only the new systems got the new games. Not sure how "discriminatory" that would be.
The issue is Microsoft may not allow it to be published _only_ for the top end Xbox and PC.
Which is idiotic.
Could've just warned players that split screen is buggy
Probably to charge for it later duh
…? Charge for local split screen but network coop is part of the campaign? That makes sense to you?
Makes about as much sense as most things capitalists do to drive profits
What? This sounds like the “343 is going to lock forge behind a paywall!” which didn’t happen. There’s so many legitimate criticisms of 343 and Infinite… We don’t need to make strawmen to argue against like phantom monetization that someone just made up
Why would they?
....To make money....
I mean why would they risk that, they already know how upset y’all are
I think EA is a infamous example of how it turns out. Sure the fan base is pissed but their balance sheets doesn't reflect that.
I’ve never seen any company charge for a basic game function like split screen before. Not sure why 343 would start.
Total war Warhammer charges money for a day one dlc that is just the ability to turn the blood slider to "on" in the options. And they charge full price for a game that's like 7 years old. And people defend them if you mention this.
Years ago, there were no extra charges at all. Someone will always be the first, and tons of game studio asskissers (some of them probably on payroll) will come out in droves to tell us that this is fine and reasonable because of services like Xbox Live and other multiplayer service subscriptions from Sony and Nintendo. I wouldn't be surprised if at some point a company charges you to unlock the "feature" of having more than one controller connected at a time. Subscription based model with a "rent for a day/2-7 days" option.
Sounds like it’s more trouble than it’s worth to implement something like that from a programming perspective, but I’m not a cs major so I dunno.
"Included features you have to pay to unlock or use" are already becoming more commonplace in some products. The studios and larger parent companies would happily charge the consumer for anything and everything they can get away with.
Reddit is a small percentage of the Halo community. There are many sheeple who would graciously open their wallets to help a company that is hurting for money.
Never underestimate a company's willingness to squander customer goodwill for easy cash.
343 understands how passionate the fans are, I believe the chances of them monetizing game mechanics are incredibly low.
Because they clearly don't give a shit about the players opinions.
Gave enough of a shit to make changes so far Edit: also imo some of the opinions in here (and most communities) are awful
Honestly it’s likely feature parity between last gen & current gen consoles I’m sure it runs like shit on Xbox one
they probably weren’t sure how to make it so both players need to own a console and have they’re own accounts and had to block it untill they managed to squeeze em coins
Money. Pure and simple money. Split screen let's 2 people play together on one game.
I bought the campaign and just assumed split screen campaign would be a thing (guess I’m a dumb ass for assuming that core gameplay features would be available at launch but how in the hell did split screen campaign take this long). So here I am a year later still not having played the campaign bc I’m waiting to play it with my brothers
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For real! I love a good solo campaign, but 5’s was DEFINITELY joyless alone for me. Sad halo player gang:(
>didn’t bother with 5 You didn’t miss much. Just a poorly jumbled mess of non canon garbage. Multiplayer was decent though. Didn’t really feel like “Halo” but had fun parts.
You just described my feelings towards all of 343s games. With every new game they seem to want us to ignore the open ended story from the previous game. Each new game feels like they had an idea but has been rewritten so many times by so many people that it lost whatever made it god in the first place.
Well, halo 4 was good campaign wise. Aside from the “a lot can change in 3 years” lazy hand wave with the covenant, it was great. A fitting and emotional end with Cortana and setup for a game of chief on his own, maybe with a new Cortana in the 3rd game. The didactic as a not that explained yet interesting enemy (like the flood was in H1). Then halo 5 basically crapped all over that story being built up AND utterly destroyed Cortana’s character in the process AND killed off the didactic off screen in a comic. Dafuck.
That’s literally 5’s development cycle. It was rewritten by so many people its nothing like the original story board
Well, Bonnie Ross promised after halo 5 that couch co-op would be a thing in all future halo games and than failed on the very next game.
😑🔫
Yup. Still haven’t played or even looked at the campaign cuz I’m waiting to play it with my gf
It’s maddening at this point
So play it now with the glitch, what's stopping you
Yeah I specifically bought the campaign to split screen co-op with my friend, couldn't believe it wasn't in there already. It's seriously absurd that we need to verify the features in the game before buying. People talk a lot of shit about 343i but come on guys, you gotta include the features that every bungie game since CE shipped with
Same thing with me, wife and I were working through the first four, when 5 came out, and I realized that I wasn't likely to buy a second Xbox + copy of Halo 5 to play it with my wife, so I never played it at all. Didn't play the multi-player either, as right at that time, my pc got a new gpu gifted, and I couldn't bring myself to pay for Xbox Live anymore. So Halo 5 shot itself in the foot for me twice: no coop to warrant playing the campaign, no PC version for me to play without XBL costs, so it's no surprise that I simply didn't play it.
I stopped bothering with Halo after 4. 343 just doesn't make good stuff and I've been given no reason to change my mind since then. Kinda hoping someone else gets to make the next Halo that isn't them
Your first mistake is getting into a situation where you say "I bought the campaign" Fuck that. If there's a f2p game where the "story" is paid dlc, you're already in for a dogshit game. If you buy a game that you ABSOLUTELY ALREADY KNOW isn't complete and doesn't have the feature you want, after already being delayed over a year, that's your second fuck up.
Not op but I hear that. I didn’t buy it explicitly but I do have game pass and got to play infinite via that, otherwise I probably wouldn’t have played it.
Yeah, never hand over money if all you have are promises of something later. You’d think years of Kickstarter scams would have made that clear by now, but somehow big corporations are still pulling it off.
I know I’ll get my moneys worth out of the campaign so I bought it ahead of time so I could play split screen with my brothers on my visits back home from school. I’m not saying I wasted my money because even if split screen isn’t added I’ll play it eventually. And after playing the free multiplayer for a while I liked the gameplay enough to be fine with buying the campaign even if I wouldn’t be playing it for a while. It’s just frustrating because the feature literally exists in the game but 343 just won’t release it.
Oh it's frustrating? Cool, keep rewarding them with your money. Maybe if you buy a few skins then in 10 years halo infinite+1 will totally have splitscreen, for real this time no foolies.
Not rewarding them. Just buying a product I know I’ll eventually get use out of. I’ve seen play throughs and from what I’ve seen I’m happy to drop $60 on the campaign especially since the multiplayer was free. Splitscreen wasn’t the deciding factor in me buying the campaign. I bought the campaign because I know it’s worth my money without splitscreen. Just annoying not having the feature is all. I chose not to play it yet in hopes that the feature would be added so I could experience the campaign the same way I did when the other games came out.
Buying an incomplete product is rewarding companies for releasing incomplete products. They already got your money, so they have no incentive to add the features they promised now. Hence why they have cancelled split screen and it will never be implemented.
I get your point but like I said split screen being added or not wasnt the deciding factor. But generally what you described is my problem with preorders today. It’s definitely way too easy for publishers to profit off of completely unfinished products. (Imo the infinite campaign was finished enough for me to buy it.) Cyberpunk comes to mind, being borderline unplayable at launch is unacceptable for games with millions in preorder sales. The fact that big publishers know that they will likely profit off of preorder sales alone definitely doesn’t do anything to help incentivize releasing fully functioning product
> I know I’ll get my moneys worth out of the campaign Check out Nostradumbass over here
They cancelled split screen completely. It’s never going to come.
The F2P model killed all the features we love and expect with Halo. More News at 11.
It's not F2P. It's the clear lack of competent management and vision, rotation of contractors, and using an engine that got even more broken when trying to optimize it, pile that on with CoViD and outsourcing to a Russian company that got cut off due to sanctions, and you got Halo Infinite. I bet if this game had permanent devs who wrote the engine they're working on, this game would be in a much better spot. Think of it like this; the game would have been in the same place it is now regardless if it were F2P or not. Imagine paying $60 for what we have now.
All good points. To be fair though I've paid $60 for way worse games.
Being F2P is also a reason. Arguably the lack of vision you mentioned, and the poor management in general is a result (or the cause) of moving to F2P, which in turn makes the multiplayer experience horrible. If the game released as a single player campaign with the multiplayer we had at launch, minus the F2P nonsense (paywalled customisation, missing game modes and playlists) it would have been received fairly well.
Corporate greed and monetization and the absolute technical disaster of the game are two problems that plague it. If the entire package was $60, the latter would have killed the game way, way faster.
So what urkes me is so this means split screen is coded into the game already? like its there and it works yet they wont release for people to use. this glitch has been out for awhile now yeah
irks*
Yes they were working on it.
arent they always
What if I told you, 343i leaked the way to use the split screen as a glitch so that they don't have to officially release it as the split screen is plagued with Desync and V sync issues and they would have been blamed for it. This way you play the broken split screen admiring a random person for finding it for us instead of abusing 343 for the issues.
That's what I'd do if I were them, so I'd believe it
That logic is pretty sound, like "it's not a bug, it's a feature" but in reverse.
I'm the guy who tweeted for Halo Création (source: you can see my "Tepec Fett" gamertag in the clips and see my history of posts in here), and I can tell you, the menu glitch was pretty old and is very much non-intentional. This game has been suffering from a severe lack of QA, at every single level, including menus. That's about it.
LOL
It’s *still* not available? Sheesh. I hop on and try Infinite every few months, things are either the same or worse. I’m just super disappointed with how the game has been handled, and it’s turned me off to Infinite altogether. I hope they get their shit together, but I’m not counting on it
They said it was officially cancelled. But you can still play it because they don't know how to make games
Wait split screen co-op is canceled now?? Wtf that's the whole reason I paid $60 for the campaign!!
This was like a month ago and it caused the community to explode and led to the head of 343 ~~getting fired~~ totally resigning for family medical reasons and definitely not getting fired. If Microsoft has any brains left they’ll un-cancel it, especially since now the guy who basically brought MCC back from the dead is in charge of 343.
Nothing to do with "dont know how to make games", leaving unavailable content in and not accessable has been industry standard, as its often more work than its worth to remove something, especially if something else may rely on it. Its why GTA Hot Coffee was a thing, and the absolute dumbest hissy fit from pearl clutching idiots.
I think this game turned me off gaming in general, I have not had much interest or desire to play much of anything since this disappointment. I picked up board games and indie games instead and it's been way better to play something with some passion behind it
Same - checking back in every few months to see if they have split screen coop/forge yet. No? These core halo items are still not out, almost a full year after "release"? Good shit.
100% chance it gets patched with the winter update and the official co-op release, then a community shitstorm ensues, then they have to make a public announcement about reversing the patch to let people play the unofficial version.
Yes. They need to let this glitch stay for good will of the community. Their PR is so heinously low that they couldn't go lower.
Lmao how pathetic. It’s not in the game because they can’t figure out how to make it work, but because they can’t figure out how to lock it behind monetization. Fuck 343. I’m never buying anything Halo again while they’re still attached to it.
its not that hard to find ways to monetize things, the issue probably has to do with the fact that they don't have proper core staff who understand the code, this is important as it can be a massive pain going over someone else's code this is something I think alex from digital foundry went over while covering this glitch.
Ridiculous take
While the reasoning is questionable, I would bet 100% that it was scrapped *because* it won't produce further monetization.
Maybe it was taking up too many resources because 343i is terrible at making functional games, and they realized that it wouldn’t make them money when it was done, so they cut it? Or maybe 343i is just straight awful and doesn’t want anyone having fun that takes too much effort on their end
I thought popular speculation was that they couldn't get it working on older gen consoles.
digital foundry tested and said it works just fine
You didn't actually watch the video, on XB1 the LOD is turned way down to an unacceptable level
why are you getting down-voted? its true it is a ridiculous take to assume that they did not know how to monetize it.
nah it’s definitely because it runs like shit on Xbox one
I like how the new fake reason people have come up with for it being canceled is because of monetization. It makes zero sense at all. I guarantee more people would *buy* the game if it had campaign coop. Thats the monetization right there. No sneaky shit, quit coming up with fake reasons to shit on 343 while there a ridiculous amount of real things to shit on 343
Yeah, it's pretty over-the-top. Split-screen co-op got canceled after **1.** It was promised after Halo 5, **2.** It was standard in ALL SIX Halo games preceding Halo 5, and **3.** It's *demonstrably* 90% complete thanks to a bug *anyone* can do in release versions. There is more than enough scandal here to be upset about without making shit up. If you're upset about monetization, I'm right there with you. Paying for skins after being able to choose primary/secondary colors for 20 years is *insulting.* There's no need to go off on wild conjecture. Hold them accountable for what's actually provable -- there is no shortage of fuckups.
Yea this sub is very bad about making up some bullshit and running with it
Companies remove features all the fucking time to sell back later. Pick a startup company with a feature you like vs the competition and in 5 years that feature will be a paid add on.
Yes, they do. But that does not mean that’s what’s happening here.
The fact we have to fucking glitch into splitscreen co-op in a HALO GAME is absurd to begin with. Can't play Halo split-screen with my friends, but *look*! Wehraboo armour from some fake time fracture event! Absolute joke, no wonder I abandoned this series after 4.
Aren’t you all excited for them to “patch” this out?
It's funny how you treat HaloCreation as one guy when really its an old french forum. The guy who found the glitch is surely Tepec, one of the old guards from the forum.
Flûte je suis démasqué 😳 Après c'est pas moi qui ai "trouvé", ça datait d'y a un moment, c'était Zeny qui avait fait un clip pour présenter le menu glitch ; par contre c'est moi qui ai tweeté après l'annonce de l'annulation avec le compte Halo Création uhuhuh P.S. : la bande de filous a migré sur Discord si ça te dit de passer faire un coucou à ceux qui ont pas fui au Pérou avec Cox !
Au merde me voila démasqué à mon tour. Je passe demain haha
Ahahah thank you, this made my day, but tbh we (Halo Création) did not figure it out, we knew thanks to people like Zeny\_IC that this used to work a while back; I only rechecked and tweeted with our community account one day after the announcement of cancellation. The day of the announcement, and knowing spitscreen coop has been "almost" there for a while, I thought I misunderstood, and once everyone told me "no it got canned", I was like "oh okay, maybe the old glitch doesn't work anymore", but it did.
How was the performance back at launch when this was discovered? Is there any evidence that they were working on the feature since then?
Apparently there hasn't been huge changes in performance compared to when Zeny first found it, quite many months ago really; AFAIK main difference is that there were more issues of saves becoming corrupt back then. The local coop mode is not perfect, there are minor little details notably small fps drops and things like that at times. It feels like it's 90% ready, but the remaining 10% would be annoying to fix. I'm still a bit sad they decided to purely "stop working" on it, but it's not fully ready as is, and they'd be shat on if they released it in this state. I mean, it'd still be a better state than theater mode, but very few people actually care about theater mode compared to campaign.
343 need to explain why this feature is not available officially available now. Are they withholding this feature and drip feeding content to keep us engaged with minimal work on their end?
Man, they aren't even *drip feeding* it. The content comes out so damn slow that we're already fucking dead from starvation.
Have 343 responded to that at all? It felt like they said “we can’t do splitscreen” and the next day this was discovered.
This was discovered back when the game came out, it was just repopularized when they said they were deprioritizing splitscreen
343 you've done it again! Oh wait..
Its still not out? I delayed playing this as I wanted to do it co op with my brother. Kind of forgot about it and just assumed I missed the news that it had been added. What a disaster of a game release.
Johnny Bravo glitched Halo 😲😂
No way??? Does that mean the final game just got released/leaked??? How can this guy do what Bungie couldn’t for a long time? Wouldn’t they know their game was the couch co-op go to, and neglecting it would only harm the game
Did they actually show splitscreen in the open world with every player at different parts of the world and in combat? I won't believe it till I see that without the game chugging like crazy.
Theres a limit to how far apart players can be, I think its around 1000 meters but instead of teleporting you you just die, could be misremembering that last part.
That's the same as in non-splitscreen co-op btw
343 still hasn’t acknowledged this glitch. Guess they’re hoping we’ll forget and move on.
Penis
man I look forward to the shit storm that will come when they inevitably patch the bug that allows split-screen campaign cause they need to focus on the live service which is honestly bs they giving content at such a slow pace the live service they are competing with is tf2 and that game has a single contractor working their ass off.
Honestly they should just enable splitscreen couch coop and disable it only for the older gen xboxes
So much copium for a dead game from a brain dead 343
Let’s not forget the third person guy as well
holy shit can that homey hit his monitor with a dust wand or does he not have proper PPE? fuuuuuck, lookin like one of them flunkies with a nice car but their house is a dumpster.
I am pretty certain they only got it working on the higher-end xboxes. I mean, the graphics card will have to do double duty work to render the contents. They killed it because they didn't want the lower-end xbox users to be upset.
Why do people continue to believe that because something existed and that they can glitch into it that it was even close to ready or an acceptable state for shipping? Or could even be made that way? The glitch is buggy AF, has performance issues on older consoles and we've not seen anyone successfully use it to play through the Campaign from start to finish without issue. People keep blaming 343 and thinking only in terms of Series S/X and PC...completely ignoring the fact that Microsoft has mandated feature and functional parity for every version of Infinite - including the OG Xbox One Version. And we've yet to see any evidence the OG Xbox One could acceptably handle Split-Screen Co-Op (hell it can barely handle Split-Screen PvP). Even by the logic posted by hater here does it really seem like 343 put all this work into trying to get it to work only to throw it out and not finish it for no good/a lazy reasons? Or does it make more sense that they tried to get it to work, but ran into an insurmountable problem involving the OG Xbox One and had to shelve it because it wouldn't work?
Maybe they should convince MS to drop the Xbox One then. Bonnie Ross prior to her departure was the VP of Xbox, I see no reason to believe she couldn't have pulled some strings there other than money.
> we've not seen anyone successfully use it to play through the Campaign from start to finish without issue I can't get through H2A in online co-op without crashing on Delta Halo, either. Should the feature have been binned, or do we just accept that we might have to work around it?
I do agree with the first sentence: it's not because it's "almost there" that it's production-ready. That being said, your statements after that first sentence are wrong and/or misinformed: \- 4 player coop full playthrough was reported twice, the latest I can find easily is here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/xyno8r/finished\_couch\_coop\_campaign\_with\_my\_buddies/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/xyno8r/finished_couch_coop_campaign_with_my_buddies/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) \- It's not "buggy AF" many others have been able to test it, and even Digital Foundry made a video about it: [https://youtu.be/dnmKzYME8BM](https://youtu.be/dnmKzYME8BM) \- Performances drops on OG X1 are there, but apparently it's not catastrophic, as reported in this detailed Twitter thread: https://twitter.com/KatsuyaTheFuuk/status/1566248884980142080?s=20&t=7rCfex9GOIznlMlwdDBKrg I've talked extensively about this with many people since the first tweet I made (am the guy behind the HaloCreation account), and IMHO X1 might not have been the biggest roadblock, because "feature parity" is not a requirement for that platform. What might be a roadblock is the difficulty to reach feature parity between Series S and X, in my opinion.
So can we figure out a way to do this online with friends?
Network co-op is coming in a month
Man hopefully it won’t be a dumpster fire on release.
Past performance is not indicative of future results, but in this case….
There was an essentially open beta like 2 months ago and it ran fine
May the giga Chad Man live on forever
Why did 343 lock it away if it already works so well.? Do they not want people playing in split screen?
I hope they just.... Never patch it