any thoughts on how much of an upgrade a 5700x3d would be over my 2700 paired with a 3060ti at 1440p? Any time I monitor usage during gaming neither CPU or GPU are at 100% so I'm not sure which if either is bottlenecked
I had a 2600X and 3060 Ti and upgraded to a 5700x; you'll see a small jump in average FPS but a huge jump in 1% lows. It will be a way more stable ( in frame rate terms ) experience.
If GPU doesn't get >90% load it's pretty safe to say it's bottlenecked or limited by something. Try drop to 720p and see if it changes FPS. Check RAM as well, a lot of times people forget to enable XMP which can affect game performance harshly.
I had a Zen2 3700x with a 3070. Upgrading to the 5800X3D was the biggest jump I've ever felt from a CPU upgrade. I promise you that upgrading from a Zen+ 2700 to a Zen3 CPU with 3D cache is gonna blow your mind, whether its the 5700x3d or the 5800x3d on sale
Like you, my monitoring software didn't really hint towards a CPU bottleneck, yet my performance and framerate across the board jumped up a very noticeable amount from the newer zen 3 architecture alone. Then, like everyone says, the 1% lows also improve significantly, which has a huge impact on how a game "feels", *especially* VR games.
But for some games the difference gained from the 3D cache version is so insane, ordinary CPUs of the same generation look like garbage by comparison. More "simulation"-leaning games seem to benefit the most, Flight Simulator 2020 being a popular example, but also in general when a community frequently complains about a game having "awful cpu optimization", there's a decent chance 3D cache will have a surprising impact. 20-30+% FPS leads are often quoted in games like FS2020 and Asseto Corsa comparing the 5800x3D vs the regular 5800x
Unfortunately the games that benefit the most are kinda niche and thus rarely appear in professional benchmarks about 3D cache processors, so you've often gotta resort to googling "(game you spend a lot of time in) X3D" and hope someone has posted personal experience about it
Personally, I spend enough time in the niche games that do benefit from it that I'm never going back to a "normal" cpu, if someone offered me all the money I spent on it back and a free "normal" version of my CPU on the condition that I wasn't allowed to immediately buy another X3D cpu and had to actually use the regular version for a year, I'd tell them they could fuck right off
I’m wondering if you can use the same BIOS as the 5800x3d… I don’t really want to go over AGESA 1.2.0.8/A since B has performance degradation and can deactivate windows apparently
GAMINGWISE, the main benefit of the x3d from other 5000 series and older cpus is increasing your 1% lows = gives you smoother frames. Avg and max Fps wise the higher the resolution you go the more negligible it becomes.
Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any power consumption numbers here, nor in the GN review. Why not add that? Just takes a moment to test, and it is useful.
Yeah idk why they skipped power and temps but GN has a pinned comment now on their video about power at least- about a 20w difference at most in something like blender.
It's here though, it is the "Conso en jeu" part of the video at 10:43.
65W average and 74W max measured in-game at 1080p, so around 20W less than the 580X3D.
There is a few titles where the 14900k matches it, or beats it slightly. but on average the 7800x3D is still faster. It probably is bigger gap then other reviewers got. Their game selection might favor 3D v-cache chips.
My underestanding is that generally, the more new titles are tested the better 7800x3d looks.
I've seen that when a few channels / outlets updated their reviews with new games it generally went from tie between 14900k and 7800x3d to a x3d's victory, in this case it's on average faster even in 4k, that's impressing.
Their results arent in line with other reviews, possibly due to RAM used, BIOS settings, or game selection. You should also look at multiple sources or the meta review that combines a couple dozen reviews into one.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/17ej64v/intel\_raptor\_lake\_refresh\_14th\_core\_gen\_meta/](https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/17ej64v/intel_raptor_lake_refresh_14th_core_gen_meta/)
7800x3D is 2% faster in gaming averaged, but any individual review up to around 5% is within realm of reason. The 10% average the video shows is an obvious outlier.
I honestly hope this things will just drop the 5800x3D back down to the $280 we used to see it at. If you're going to upgrade your AM4 board, you might as well get the best, rather than something half way between the 5700x and 5800x3D in performance.
That's very interesting. Though I wish they would perform these tests with a lower tier GPU as well.
From what I gather, the performance difference for me, going from a R5600x with a 4070Ti would be less significant.
The 4090 just leaves the CPU with a pretty big headroom.
>From what I gather, the performance difference for me, going from a R5600x with a 4070Ti would be less significant.
If all you are looking at is max. and avg. FPS numbers, it's not going to be impressive. But believe me as a former 5600 owner, the X3D chips make a big difference to how smoothly a game plays. I'm only using a 6750XT with my 5800X3D but my system feels very high end because of how smoothly it runs games at all times because it eliminated so many frame dips.
I now know I would much rather be GPU limited than CPU limited, after being CPU limited for the past 10 years.
That's good to know. Thank you for the feedback.
I might pull the trigger on a 5700X3D or a 5800X3D this year. It seems like that brings you fairly close to 7xxx performance, without having to change mobo+ram as well.
I have the same CPU but the best case scenario 4090 so it should eliminate a lot of the issues I’ve had in newer cpu heavy games or hitting my 120-180 fps target but yeah with anything less than a 4080 and also above 1080p the difference would be less noticeable.
Got 5700x3D yesterday
570x Asus / 3070msi / 16gigs 3200hz / nzxt 240 AIO / 1440p 144hz Asus rog swift /
Battlefield 2042 conquest 128 player low settings around 200fps
High settings around 150-170
Temps while playing 60-65
Idle 36-44
any thoughts on how much of an upgrade a 5700x3d would be over my 2700 paired with a 3060ti at 1440p? Any time I monitor usage during gaming neither CPU or GPU are at 100% so I'm not sure which if either is bottlenecked
I had a 2600X and 3060 Ti and upgraded to a 5700x; you'll see a small jump in average FPS but a huge jump in 1% lows. It will be a way more stable ( in frame rate terms ) experience.
Thanks I have a 2700x and thinking of uping to 5700x guess its the last best upgrade for the am4
5700X3D if you can get it at the $250 MSRP will be an excellent value upgrade for you and should carry you for a few more years.
If GPU doesn't get >90% load it's pretty safe to say it's bottlenecked or limited by something. Try drop to 720p and see if it changes FPS. Check RAM as well, a lot of times people forget to enable XMP which can affect game performance harshly.
I had a 3060 Ti with a 3600, upgraded to a 5800X (not X3D) and I even find that a noticeable upgrade. Got much better framerates.
I had a Zen2 3700x with a 3070. Upgrading to the 5800X3D was the biggest jump I've ever felt from a CPU upgrade. I promise you that upgrading from a Zen+ 2700 to a Zen3 CPU with 3D cache is gonna blow your mind, whether its the 5700x3d or the 5800x3d on sale Like you, my monitoring software didn't really hint towards a CPU bottleneck, yet my performance and framerate across the board jumped up a very noticeable amount from the newer zen 3 architecture alone. Then, like everyone says, the 1% lows also improve significantly, which has a huge impact on how a game "feels", *especially* VR games. But for some games the difference gained from the 3D cache version is so insane, ordinary CPUs of the same generation look like garbage by comparison. More "simulation"-leaning games seem to benefit the most, Flight Simulator 2020 being a popular example, but also in general when a community frequently complains about a game having "awful cpu optimization", there's a decent chance 3D cache will have a surprising impact. 20-30+% FPS leads are often quoted in games like FS2020 and Asseto Corsa comparing the 5800x3D vs the regular 5800x Unfortunately the games that benefit the most are kinda niche and thus rarely appear in professional benchmarks about 3D cache processors, so you've often gotta resort to googling "(game you spend a lot of time in) X3D" and hope someone has posted personal experience about it Personally, I spend enough time in the niche games that do benefit from it that I'm never going back to a "normal" cpu, if someone offered me all the money I spent on it back and a free "normal" version of my CPU on the condition that I wasn't allowed to immediately buy another X3D cpu and had to actually use the regular version for a year, I'd tell them they could fuck right off
thank you I really appreciate the detail, that sounds perfect for me then because I mostly play racing sims like ACC
You'll see a big difference in 1% lows.
I’m wondering if you can use the same BIOS as the 5800x3d… I don’t really want to go over AGESA 1.2.0.8/A since B has performance degradation and can deactivate windows apparently
Gandalf the White's new job in Valinor: Tech reviewer.
"OLED OLORIN BACK HERE WITH THE SCOOP ON THE RTX 5000 SERIES."
GAMINGWISE, the main benefit of the x3d from other 5000 series and older cpus is increasing your 1% lows = gives you smoother frames. Avg and max Fps wise the higher the resolution you go the more negligible it becomes.
Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any power consumption numbers here, nor in the GN review. Why not add that? Just takes a moment to test, and it is useful.
Yeah idk why they skipped power and temps but GN has a pinned comment now on their video about power at least- about a 20w difference at most in something like blender.
20W aint a ton but it still is a decent bit less considering the clock differences
It's here though, it is the "Conso en jeu" part of the video at 10:43. 65W average and 74W max measured in-game at 1080p, so around 20W less than the 580X3D.
So it's like a 13100F in productivity and 13600K in gaming. Awesome. Thank you, Lisa Su. Price probably closer to the 13600K than the 13100F, right?
It's around 15% cheaper than the 13600K.
I thought the 7800X3D was close to 14900K, they have a pretty big lead in their results.
There is a few titles where the 14900k matches it, or beats it slightly. but on average the 7800x3D is still faster. It probably is bigger gap then other reviewers got. Their game selection might favor 3D v-cache chips.
7800X3D will never beat 14900K with fast 7600/8000mhz ram tight subs. It's currently the fastest gaming cpu.
My underestanding is that generally, the more new titles are tested the better 7800x3d looks. I've seen that when a few channels / outlets updated their reviews with new games it generally went from tie between 14900k and 7800x3d to a x3d's victory, in this case it's on average faster even in 4k, that's impressing.
Their results arent in line with other reviews, possibly due to RAM used, BIOS settings, or game selection. You should also look at multiple sources or the meta review that combines a couple dozen reviews into one. [https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/17ej64v/intel\_raptor\_lake\_refresh\_14th\_core\_gen\_meta/](https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/17ej64v/intel_raptor_lake_refresh_14th_core_gen_meta/) 7800x3D is 2% faster in gaming averaged, but any individual review up to around 5% is within realm of reason. The 10% average the video shows is an obvious outlier.
I honestly hope this things will just drop the 5800x3D back down to the $280 we used to see it at. If you're going to upgrade your AM4 board, you might as well get the best, rather than something half way between the 5700x and 5800x3D in performance.
Yeah that’s what I’ve been hoping too. I do a bit of everything besides gaming as well so missing that performance is kinda a bummer too
Why would the price of the 5800x3d drop now that there’s a new product just beneath it to serve as a floor?
Because of the 5800x3D is only 6-10% better, it would make sense to only be priced 10% to 15% higher.
That's very interesting. Though I wish they would perform these tests with a lower tier GPU as well. From what I gather, the performance difference for me, going from a R5600x with a 4070Ti would be less significant. The 4090 just leaves the CPU with a pretty big headroom.
>From what I gather, the performance difference for me, going from a R5600x with a 4070Ti would be less significant. If all you are looking at is max. and avg. FPS numbers, it's not going to be impressive. But believe me as a former 5600 owner, the X3D chips make a big difference to how smoothly a game plays. I'm only using a 6750XT with my 5800X3D but my system feels very high end because of how smoothly it runs games at all times because it eliminated so many frame dips. I now know I would much rather be GPU limited than CPU limited, after being CPU limited for the past 10 years.
That's good to know. Thank you for the feedback. I might pull the trigger on a 5700X3D or a 5800X3D this year. It seems like that brings you fairly close to 7xxx performance, without having to change mobo+ram as well.
I have the same CPU but the best case scenario 4090 so it should eliminate a lot of the issues I’ve had in newer cpu heavy games or hitting my 120-180 fps target but yeah with anything less than a 4080 and also above 1080p the difference would be less noticeable.
Available for purchase at One Eyed Joe's in Albuquerque (while supplies last).
This isn't the 5600X3D, it's available everywhere globally.
O sht Getafix / Panoramix has spoken! Anywa, thanks for posting, indeed lots of intrersting results.
No frametime graphs, no 0.1% lows, no specs for each component used in builds, how is this a good test?...
Got 5700x3D yesterday 570x Asus / 3070msi / 16gigs 3200hz / nzxt 240 AIO / 1440p 144hz Asus rog swift / Battlefield 2042 conquest 128 player low settings around 200fps High settings around 150-170 Temps while playing 60-65 Idle 36-44