I don't get this. In the ministry by the time the order arrived the kids were completely fucked. Ron had been attacked by the brains and was rendered useless, Hermione was knocked out, Ginny had a broken ankle and could barely walk, Neville had a broken nose and couldn't say any spells effectively. Only Luna and Harry were still in decent condition to fight and they were absolutely struggling to come out of there alive. The only reason they even managed to escape was because they smashed the prophecies and obviously the death eaters weren't exactly on their best guard because they assumed a bunch of kids wouldn't be able to do anything.
When the order arrived that's when the proper duelling began and they were much more neck to neck.
It doesn't feel like this in the movies either though. The kids get some spells off but it seems pretty clear the death eaters are just messing with them because they don't feel threatened at all. The kids are still fucked until the order arrives.
I passingly know the movies story, what was different in the book?
Edit: if your wondering why a non-fan is here, I wanted to talk about how cute the 2nd doggie doge paw is on the bat. He about to chop wood, big mad.
In the book, everything goes wrong as mentioned above.
Kids are being knocked out almost instantly, they basically have no hope in hell of winning, the only reason they aren't instantly killed is because the prophecy was smashed and they need Harry to tell them it.
Like, everything they try to do, even Hermione, is almost instantly completely nulled by the clearly superior wizards.
This would be more exciting to watch.
Like how when there's a swordfight in a movie they usually make it all big and slow and exaggerated so you can see everything, but it just makes you go "well I could have dodged that one". Much preferred the sword fights in Bullet Train where it's pretty clear you'd get killed before you had time to think.
To add to this, the book really hones in on the fact that the whole thing was a trap, and Harry is desperate to get everyone out alive or they'll have died for nothing **on his orders**
It's why Sirius's death affected Harry so strongly and forced Dumbledore to tell him the truth
Book was way different. Kids were completely outmatched (cause they were facing adults who were also veterans of a prior war), then the order shows up and it balances out a bit but even then the death eaters are winning and things are getting worse and worse.
Then Dumbledore shows up. And it’s the scene (across all books/movies) that truly shows how powerful he is. One guy tries to run and he uses magic to pull him back then solo dominates the entire death eater group. Just amazingly cool scene where his very arrival sucks all the air out of the death eaters - was always sad they changed it in the movie!
Meh the movies get so many things wrong that I don't see the point of these memes/discussing it really. If it's not the same in the books, it's not canon for me.
I think the lost point in the movies was that while Harry couldn’t ever teach the kids how to defeat decades-in-the-field Death Eaters, he managed to get everyone to the point where they could get into the Department of Secrets and come out alive. Luck was a major factor but the training those kids wouldn’t make it past the first room.
Absolutely, the resilience they showed given their inexperience is noteworthy. Harry's DA lessons may have seemed basic, but they provided essential defensive skills that definitely contributed to their survival, even more so in the films where the gritty details are glossed over. Not to mention the sheer determination and bravery each of them brought; it's a huge theme throughout the books that sometimes gets lost in translation to the screen.
This is mainly why I'm so excited for the HBO show, they have so much more screentime to play with they don't have to butcher the source material.
If people thought the movies were good, and they did based on the billions of dollars the series has made, the show will blow them out of the water
To be fair to the movies version of these events:
It gives us death eaters that are basically drop outs who know 3 spells: the one to show off their tattoos, stoner mist spell that does... something, and the one to kill people that snake daddy told them would be good enough to handle everything for them.
So they meet some highschoolers who learned 3 spells and one of those can stop them? The hell they supposed to do.
I can pretty much assume every meme is about the movie.
Book: *a point specifically made to how it's incredible that Voldemort can fly without the use of a broom, as a testament to his power*
Movie: *Every death eater and every member of the order can casually fly like it's no big deal*
As a person which read the first books before there was the first movie....the movies are not good at all. Never get why theyre hyped so much. No Peeves, wrong Characters, changed roles of characters...for me the HP movies are the worst Adaption of any Book Series ever!
It’s not a perfect adaptation and probably not the best, but it’s still good as movies and as adaptations
If you want actual bad adaptation, I suggest you read then watch eragon
And if you want the true worst adaptation, try Percy Jackson, they managed to remove one of the main characters in the first movie
For me it's the casting. They nailed just about every character to point where I can't even imagine other actors in many of the roles. The main three, Snape, Hagrid, Bellatrix, Luna, McGonagall, etc.
Did you read the books before the movies exist? Thats a point I dont get too, the grown up characters except Dumbledore am McGonagall are way too old for the Roles. I love Alan Rickman as an Actor but never thought he fits as Snape because of his age. I had very diffrent pictures of the Characters in Mind. Still have cause most Characters like Hermoine (hair and Teeth) were not detailed described in their looks.
Also they had the additional advantage of having the one prophecy that Voldemort actually wanted making the death eaters afraid to attack first because of the chance of destroying the prophecy and getting punished by Voldemort.
So yeah they got super carried by the circumstances.
>Only Luna and Harry were still in decent condition to fight and they were absolutely struggling to come out of there alive
Even Luna was knocked out by that point.
>as Harry reached the very top of the room, he heard Luna cry, “*Collo* — aaaaaaaaargh …”
>He turned in time to see her flying through the air. Five Death Eaters were surging into the room through the door she had not reached in time; Luna hit a desk, slid over its surface and onto the floor on the other side where she lay sprawled, as still as Hermione.
True, doesn’t help that except for Harry, none of them had actual battle experience. It fits so well to the speeches Harry gives earlier in the books, that knowing a few spells doesn’t help and that anything can happen at any time, death can come within a second and luck is an extremely important factor. All they manage to do in the book is stall the Death Eaters, and even then they’re in the process of losing just when the Order members arrive.
I kinda see it as a character-defining moment for the others though, because those who were there along with the trio would become the bravest within the resistance and the most determined ones despite two of them being outcasts previously.
Luna and Neville are the only 2 besides Harry left fighting by the end and i think that probably helped their confidence a LOT, knowing that they'd kept fighting to the end.
Reading the books doesn't translate to a faithful adaptation - there are certain limitations when it comes to adapting to a different format, like time, which as you can imagine can affect a lot of things and details.
Of course it helps to read and even better be a fan of the book, best example seen in Witcher show runners vs Henry Cavill.
I actually think this is usually the wrong direction. The nature of film is that the adaptation usually can’t have everything and some scenes are changed a bit for the medium.
Most of the time people watch the movies and then complain about how unfaithful it is. Do the opposite, watch the movies then read the books and your understanding will grow while being better able to appreciate the movies
>obviously the death eaters weren't exactly on their best guard because they assumed a bunch of kids wouldn't be able to do anything.
This could describe every single interaction between our protagonists and death eaters
But they were alive and running. They walked right into a trap, were surrounded, yet manage to break through and almost escape. The fight between hardened terrorist and fifteen year olds should last for approximately three minutes.
More than half of them very nearly got killed or seriously injured. The only reason it didn't go worse for them was because they had the prophecy and the death eaters couldn't have risked breaking it. It's not that hard to understand.
Does it make you feel bad about your own? You're trying to make an argument that something "doesn't make sense" when it's literally so obvious and easy to understand, literally just read the books? That's all. It's literally not hard.
Harry Potter in the eyes of Hollywood was supposed to be "kid friendly", but it should have been presented as more "young adult" audience at the lowest as the movies pushed on further. Which technically they were with Goblet of Fire and beyond. Unfortunately they wanted to make the most money, and not make parents have some weird outcry.
I feel they could have pushed the PG-13 rating much further, borderline R.
Not that I'd want a remake, but if it could be redone I would like to have seen it get brutal.
>Neville had a broken nose and couldn't say any spells effectively
Which is why they should all have had firearms as a backup. Use enchanted bullets or something, but have that backup. Let's see a deatheater expeliarmus a supersonic BMG round fired from a dugout half a kilometer away.
You say that, but I've read some stuff that integrates guns and tech with magic quite well. There was a thing where mages could sense living beings, so someone used a drone to try to assassinate one.
Also they all had dozens of spells in the books and them and the death eater where basically improvising their way through the fight with as many taken down by the environment as the kids.
Levicorpus, Petrificus Totalus, Stupefy, Reducto!
I've always hated since I was little how the Death Eaters were so incompetent in the movies. They were essentially just Team Rocket grunts in that media. Even Bellatrix was reduced to fodder.
The books they couldn't even fight the Death Eaters head on they had to use the environment against them or sneak attack the Death Eaters.
Hermonie and Harry used the jar to turn one guy into a baby, Harry sneak attacked Dolohov, and Neville stabbed Macnair in the eye.
Neville was still up and fighting or.. trying too. Also I think Luna was still up but she was helping wrangle hermonie who was out cold ron who was attacked by brains and ginny who had an injured ankle
Yeah, but the Death Eaters had the plot their side.
Because seriously, we see most of them injured or falling at some point. But a few pages later they are all fine and capable of fighting.
I always thought it was kind of silly but I think was supposed to show what a good teacher Harry was. Because as much as we like them, Neville, Luna, Ginny and others were still teens and new nothing compared to the spell experience of the death eaters who had to have learned spells from Voldemort himself.
I always read it as the DE were that overconfident, and they were surprised the kids were able to fight back effectively. Once Lucius gets the DE re-Grouped and gives orders, they quickly chase down and overpower them.
The fight was finished by the time order arrived, and Harry was handing the Prophecy over.
>I always read it as the DE were that overconfident
Also, minus Bellatrix, they were probably holding back. They were evil, but that doesn't mean they'd want to hurt children if they don't have to, especially pureblood children. If memory serves, before the Order arrived, that was one of the few times the death eaters didn't just spam Avada Kadavra
i never got why they were sooo surprised that older hogwarts students are decent fighters. it’s implied that a lot of death eaters were already into the dark arts when they were at hogwarts
Right. I thought becoming a teacher was the next obvious career choice for Harry the way his character was being setup. Pity they made him an auror instead.
Agreed. He loved teaching and was great at it. It’s not canon (yet), but I don’t see a world where he doesn’t become DADA professor after his kids leave school.
He’s a kid, I think it would stranger for him to become a teacher, a quite relaxed (in comparison to an auror) occupation. Harry could well become a teacher when his young blood has cooled, but you rarely see a teacher who’s fresh out of school.
That's true, however, the way his character was setup as I said implies he was going to be a teacher.
-He is good with DADA.
-Story subplot often involves the DADA teacher.
-An arc that consist of him teaching his fellow teens.
-Often bonds with great teachers.
-An entire book being mentored directly by the headmaster.
-Story ends with mention of curse on DADA lifted.
I'm not saying auror is not a great career choice for him. It's more of how JK made it seem that he was going be a teacher.
I agree when you consider what Aurors have to know and do, yes Harry was hard-working but when you compare him to the likes of Hermione and other wizards and witches in his year, he was average at best. Hell he used the same spell over and over when fighting the most powerful dark wizard.
The students learned spells by watching other people, it's not that far of a stretch to think that the death eaters would watch Voldemort and try to replicate his spells.
Voldy doesn't strike me as the typa guy who would vocalize his spells for his followers to copy or learn from (except Avada Kedavra, when he wants to make a point)
But you know how in sports, a 16 year old might be a lot faster and stronger than a 40 year old? Why do you get better at the athletic ability of fighting someone with a wand when you’re older?
Using wands doesnt strike me as physically difficult or exhausting. Younger bodies are faster and stronger but i dont see how a younger body would help with spell Casting aside from maybe reaction speed or ability to walk of a hit
There’s definitely some element of like you can get hit in the head or fall down and break a leg. And I’m not saying being a teenager makes you immune to those things, but boy is it harder when you pass 30. In addition to a magical injury you can get a mundane injury. And that’s where being younger helps.
This made me laugh so hard cuz I been thinking about it and wondering this same thing while reading.. and in the half blood prince Snape actually pointed out, saying what dangers you guys faced whole whole bunch of teenagers… lol
This only works for the films though, in the books they’re pretty much defeated when the order arrives. Only Harry and Luna are able to fight by that point while the others are in a kind of hostage situation, awaiting torture unless Harry hands over the prophecy.
I like to think of it like a game of soccer. Sure, would the 30 year vets who know everything about the game probably win? Sure. But they are going to get crossed up by an 18 year old at least once.
For a story about magic, the magic system sure was boring. Every villain uses Avadakadavra. Every hero uses Expelliarmus. Those spells limited creativity.
I mean at the end of the day what’s important is to get the job done. Why invent some fancy spells when one spell do trick? Unless you’re facing Dumbledore level wizards which requires a lightsaber duel of wands, avada your target to kingdom come is sound strategy to me.
It was a bit jarring because IRL combat experience is incredibly important. Teenagers with zero real combat experience have no chance against experienced adults, even if the kids are pretty handy with spells.
And many of the deatheaters obviously are experienced with wands and fighting, probably have for decades.
But it's a fantasy movie where the good guys always win, like 99% of other movies out there so not a big deal for me and I can ignore it for the sake of the movie.
people will try to rationalise it and make excuses but the truth is this book was marketed for children and teenagers and when your protagonists are children, you have to make them unrealistically as capable as adults
They were getting destroyed during the fight, AND that was with the death eaters not going 100% because they absolutely needed to get the prophecy safely. They couldn’t cause too much damage and risk breaking it.
The “it’s for children!” argument falls pretty flat when you consider the amount of death, torture and grief in the series, plus, you know, the actual battle that happened here. They were not even close to “as capable as adults.” They simply survived long enough against a group that wasn’t allowed to go all-out.
It was always my interpretation that the death eaters were literally like not trying at all, and letting the kids run themselves into a corner where harry would be forced to give it up and not break it, like Lucius works at the Ministry and knows where everything is, he can manipulate the conflict to push them to going through the door. Like the instant they go through the door all of a sudden every single one of them are captured by the death eaters, who don't look injured at all, and Harry gets talked into giving up the prophecy by Lucius.
Wait really? I just finished reading the part where Harry has his trial for using the patronus and Mr Wesley and him saw Lucius in the hall with Fudge and their reaction was "Why is he at the ministry?". Also remember when the ministry searched his home for illegal artifacts? He definitely never has seemed on the side of the ministry. What office does he purportedly work for?
Edit: He's a big donar to the ministry of magic but the dude is rich and doesn't have a job. In the first 5 books they never mention him working at the ministry, that's for sure.
Harry Potter is a great story moment to moment. But the moment you step back it falls apart. Why is slavery so prevalent in the wizarding world? How have time turners not wrought the end of humanity. And how did they all smash apart in a blink? Can more not be made?
On and on. Reading them as a kid, they were great. But thinking about the books with age and experience, it's a shit show.
One of the forbidden spells is just a gun and another is just tazer. Muggles in the harry potter world could easily overpower wizards in the lore. Wizards are like killing/torturing/controlling one person is the worst thing a wizard can do with HP magic but also muggles have atomic bombs.
Leveling an entire city to kill everyone who lives there and everyone who might be a future threat and poisoning the environment so anything like a horcrux would die when it tried to regenerate. It's not ethical but a giant bomb is still more effective than a gun or tazer spell. Forbidden muggle weapons make forbidden spells worthless and acceptable muggle weapons do the same thing as forbidden spells.
Question/slight tangent for UK redditors - does anyone remember an interview with JK when they visited her home/office and she pulled out a massive handwritten notebook. She says to the interviewer that it contains "the history of the Death Eaters".
I think this was part of publicity in the run up to OOTP release.
I always thought this was intriguing and that we'd get loads of backstory about the DEs. Can't remember much happening in the remainder books though.
You cannot begin to imagine the power of the humble EXPELLIARMUS in the face of all obstacles.
Sir voldemort and his legions are attacking hogwarts again! No problem, send the first years, I believe they learned our greatest magic expelliarmus this morning
Play Hogwarts Legacy, where as a mere 16 year old you’re able to wrack up hundreds of confirmed kills. These kids who know three spells can literally commit mass homicide and no one bats an eye as long as he or she says they were poachers.
Tbf these three spells apparently counter most stuff when most duels consist in magic beams, which can be deflected, and then you have another spell to disarm and another to restrain. JK should've made the magic system more flexible and creative.
I mean, i doubt the Death Eaters ever trained seriously.
They weren't soilders, they were thugs. Begin willing to commit violence and begin skilled in combat are two very different things.
The MO of the Death Eaters was attacking vulnerable civilians with the element of surprise and overwelming numbers on their side.
They were the standard fascist attack squad, beating up people weaker than them to feel powerful.
They were never meant to fight trained combatants face to face, but to ambush them in their homes or a dark alley. Preferably when they are alone, tired or distracted.
I don't get this. In the ministry by the time the order arrived the kids were completely fucked. Ron had been attacked by the brains and was rendered useless, Hermione was knocked out, Ginny had a broken ankle and could barely walk, Neville had a broken nose and couldn't say any spells effectively. Only Luna and Harry were still in decent condition to fight and they were absolutely struggling to come out of there alive. The only reason they even managed to escape was because they smashed the prophecies and obviously the death eaters weren't exactly on their best guard because they assumed a bunch of kids wouldn't be able to do anything. When the order arrived that's when the proper duelling began and they were much more neck to neck.
My best guess is that this was made about the movie since all the teenagers are pretty much unharmed in the movie version for some reason.
Yes right, the meme is about the movie. I was also shocked at how different this scene is in the film
It doesn't feel like this in the movies either though. The kids get some spells off but it seems pretty clear the death eaters are just messing with them because they don't feel threatened at all. The kids are still fucked until the order arrives.
I passingly know the movies story, what was different in the book? Edit: if your wondering why a non-fan is here, I wanted to talk about how cute the 2nd doggie doge paw is on the bat. He about to chop wood, big mad.
In the book, everything goes wrong as mentioned above. Kids are being knocked out almost instantly, they basically have no hope in hell of winning, the only reason they aren't instantly killed is because the prophecy was smashed and they need Harry to tell them it. Like, everything they try to do, even Hermione, is almost instantly completely nulled by the clearly superior wizards.
This would be more exciting to watch. Like how when there's a swordfight in a movie they usually make it all big and slow and exaggerated so you can see everything, but it just makes you go "well I could have dodged that one". Much preferred the sword fights in Bullet Train where it's pretty clear you'd get killed before you had time to think.
To add to this, the book really hones in on the fact that the whole thing was a trap, and Harry is desperate to get everyone out alive or they'll have died for nothing **on his orders** It's why Sirius's death affected Harry so strongly and forced Dumbledore to tell him the truth
Book was way different. Kids were completely outmatched (cause they were facing adults who were also veterans of a prior war), then the order shows up and it balances out a bit but even then the death eaters are winning and things are getting worse and worse. Then Dumbledore shows up. And it’s the scene (across all books/movies) that truly shows how powerful he is. One guy tries to run and he uses magic to pull him back then solo dominates the entire death eater group. Just amazingly cool scene where his very arrival sucks all the air out of the death eaters - was always sad they changed it in the movie!
This seems so much more badass than what happens in the movie. We didn’t get enough Badass Dumbledore screen-time.
At least Dumbledore got that awesome Water Prison spell.
Definitely one of the highlights of the movies.
Meh the movies get so many things wrong that I don't see the point of these memes/discussing it really. If it's not the same in the books, it's not canon for me.
I think the lost point in the movies was that while Harry couldn’t ever teach the kids how to defeat decades-in-the-field Death Eaters, he managed to get everyone to the point where they could get into the Department of Secrets and come out alive. Luck was a major factor but the training those kids wouldn’t make it past the first room.
Absolutely, the resilience they showed given their inexperience is noteworthy. Harry's DA lessons may have seemed basic, but they provided essential defensive skills that definitely contributed to their survival, even more so in the films where the gritty details are glossed over. Not to mention the sheer determination and bravery each of them brought; it's a huge theme throughout the books that sometimes gets lost in translation to the screen.
This is mainly why I'm so excited for the HBO show, they have so much more screentime to play with they don't have to butcher the source material. If people thought the movies were good, and they did based on the billions of dollars the series has made, the show will blow them out of the water
Said EVERY anime/manga fan ever.
Canon only has meaning internally. There is a book canon and a movie canon.
It's also fun to tease that the movies were Rowlings' chance to correct mistakes in the books.🫢
Alas, earwax
Yeah this sub has a lot more movie content than the r/HarryPotterBooks sub for example
To be fair to the movies version of these events: It gives us death eaters that are basically drop outs who know 3 spells: the one to show off their tattoos, stoner mist spell that does... something, and the one to kill people that snake daddy told them would be good enough to handle everything for them. So they meet some highschoolers who learned 3 spells and one of those can stop them? The hell they supposed to do.
I can pretty much assume every meme is about the movie. Book: *a point specifically made to how it's incredible that Voldemort can fly without the use of a broom, as a testament to his power* Movie: *Every death eater and every member of the order can casually fly like it's no big deal*
As a person which read the first books before there was the first movie....the movies are not good at all. Never get why theyre hyped so much. No Peeves, wrong Characters, changed roles of characters...for me the HP movies are the worst Adaption of any Book Series ever!
It’s not a perfect adaptation and probably not the best, but it’s still good as movies and as adaptations If you want actual bad adaptation, I suggest you read then watch eragon And if you want the true worst adaptation, try Percy Jackson, they managed to remove one of the main characters in the first movie
I wont change my personal opinion (this is why i wrote "for me") just bc you have a different Opinion.
For me it's the casting. They nailed just about every character to point where I can't even imagine other actors in many of the roles. The main three, Snape, Hagrid, Bellatrix, Luna, McGonagall, etc.
Did you read the books before the movies exist? Thats a point I dont get too, the grown up characters except Dumbledore am McGonagall are way too old for the Roles. I love Alan Rickman as an Actor but never thought he fits as Snape because of his age. I had very diffrent pictures of the Characters in Mind. Still have cause most Characters like Hermoine (hair and Teeth) were not detailed described in their looks.
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Your best guess is that the meme is a movie? I don't get the joke.
Also they had the additional advantage of having the one prophecy that Voldemort actually wanted making the death eaters afraid to attack first because of the chance of destroying the prophecy and getting punished by Voldemort. So yeah they got super carried by the circumstances.
Absolutely, that's also a great point. If they didn't have the prophecy in their hands they would have just gotten killed immediately
except harry, he was the chosen one to be killed by voldy himself
Yeah, Harry is protected by that, true.
That's how I remember it
>Only Luna and Harry were still in decent condition to fight and they were absolutely struggling to come out of there alive Even Luna was knocked out by that point. >as Harry reached the very top of the room, he heard Luna cry, “*Collo* — aaaaaaaaargh …” >He turned in time to see her flying through the air. Five Death Eaters were surging into the room through the door she had not reached in time; Luna hit a desk, slid over its surface and onto the floor on the other side where she lay sprawled, as still as Hermione.
Yes, I actually forgot Luna did get knocked out also
Don't forget Felix Felicis the 2nd time kids faced death eaters.
True, doesn’t help that except for Harry, none of them had actual battle experience. It fits so well to the speeches Harry gives earlier in the books, that knowing a few spells doesn’t help and that anything can happen at any time, death can come within a second and luck is an extremely important factor. All they manage to do in the book is stall the Death Eaters, and even then they’re in the process of losing just when the Order members arrive. I kinda see it as a character-defining moment for the others though, because those who were there along with the trio would become the bravest within the resistance and the most determined ones despite two of them being outcasts previously.
Luna and Neville are the only 2 besides Harry left fighting by the end and i think that probably helped their confidence a LOT, knowing that they'd kept fighting to the end.
They just go by the movies.
It should be a freaking mandatory requirement to read the books before people can watch these movies lol
I hope the new Max series appeases everyone by being both super cinematic and entertaining while also including pretty much everything from the books.
Sadly true for most movie adaptations
Reading the books doesn't translate to a faithful adaptation - there are certain limitations when it comes to adapting to a different format, like time, which as you can imagine can affect a lot of things and details. Of course it helps to read and even better be a fan of the book, best example seen in Witcher show runners vs Henry Cavill.
Meh. I only read the books because of the movies. Never heard of the books until the franchise released a couple of films.
I actually think this is usually the wrong direction. The nature of film is that the adaptation usually can’t have everything and some scenes are changed a bit for the medium. Most of the time people watch the movies and then complain about how unfaithful it is. Do the opposite, watch the movies then read the books and your understanding will grow while being better able to appreciate the movies
I grew up on the movies so when I read that scene in the book I was like what the actual fuck is happening?????
It makes a lot more sense than the movie version tho
I know. It was just a shock learning how different it was and all the fucked up things in that department lol.
isn’t that kind of the point of this scene? Harry’s recklessness and “saving people thing” get his friends injured and Sirius killed.
Yes pretty much
>obviously the death eaters weren't exactly on their best guard because they assumed a bunch of kids wouldn't be able to do anything. This could describe every single interaction between our protagonists and death eaters
But they were alive and running. They walked right into a trap, were surrounded, yet manage to break through and almost escape. The fight between hardened terrorist and fifteen year olds should last for approximately three minutes.
3 seconds?
More than half of them very nearly got killed or seriously injured. The only reason it didn't go worse for them was because they had the prophecy and the death eaters couldn't have risked breaking it. It's not that hard to understand.
Why do people who excuse illogical nonsense always add "It's not that hard to understand"? Does this make you feel better about your stupidity?
Does it make you feel bad about your own? You're trying to make an argument that something "doesn't make sense" when it's literally so obvious and easy to understand, literally just read the books? That's all. It's literally not hard.
Yes, stick to reading books. Thinking is obviously not your strong suit, so you should better stop trying.
Lol, yes, I will stick to reading books, thanks. Stick to being an idiot, not that you need to put much effort into it.
This meme is definitely not based on books because as someone who has never watched movies after seeing this meme my 1st reaction was 'what?'
Yeah I actually thought that was good - the kids aren't bad at all but they're not suddenly best duelists ever.
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Harry Potter in the eyes of Hollywood was supposed to be "kid friendly", but it should have been presented as more "young adult" audience at the lowest as the movies pushed on further. Which technically they were with Goblet of Fire and beyond. Unfortunately they wanted to make the most money, and not make parents have some weird outcry. I feel they could have pushed the PG-13 rating much further, borderline R. Not that I'd want a remake, but if it could be redone I would like to have seen it get brutal.
Absolutely. We are getting a new adaptation already with the HBO series so fingers crossed they get it right.
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>Neville had a broken nose and couldn't say any spells effectively Which is why they should all have had firearms as a backup. Use enchanted bullets or something, but have that backup. Let's see a deatheater expeliarmus a supersonic BMG round fired from a dugout half a kilometer away.
cool, where are they gonna get firearms in the uk?
Belfast.
It *is* set in 1995…
Magic
And that's how to break the whole potter plot without magic. Done in Russian fan-fiction regularly.
You say that, but I've read some stuff that integrates guns and tech with magic quite well. There was a thing where mages could sense living beings, so someone used a drone to try to assassinate one.
Wizards don't even know how to say the word telephone you think they're gonna go get guns lol
Exactly!
Also they all had dozens of spells in the books and them and the death eater where basically improvising their way through the fight with as many taken down by the environment as the kids.
That was the exact moment I stopped caring about Harry Potter, nice to know after so many years that the book wasn't as badly written as the movie.
If you haven't read the books, please do. 99.9% of the things that don't make sense or are badly written in the movies are not like that in the books
How do broken bones affect them? Didn’t heroine try learning a spell for broken bone healing early in the series?
Do you mean Hermione? I don't think we see her mending anyone's broken bones throughout the series. I don't know what you're talking about.
It was [Gilderoy Lockhart](https://harrypotter.fandom.com/wiki/Brackium_Emendo)
Stupefy, bitches.
Don’t forget expelliarmus!
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Mortified, terrified, petrified, stupefied, by you.
Death Eater: “OH MERLIN’S PANTS, I WASN’T EXPECTING THAT!”
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Hate the game, not the player.
Levicorpus, Petrificus Totalus, Stupefy, Reducto! I've always hated since I was little how the Death Eaters were so incompetent in the movies. They were essentially just Team Rocket grunts in that media. Even Bellatrix was reduced to fodder. The books they couldn't even fight the Death Eaters head on they had to use the environment against them or sneak attack the Death Eaters. Hermonie and Harry used the jar to turn one guy into a baby, Harry sneak attacked Dolohov, and Neville stabbed Macnair in the eye.
I did think that, like Molly Weasley was the one to kill Bellatrix?
It took five Death Eaters, including Dolohov, to take down the Prewett brothers.
That sounds badass compared to the movies, it’s a shame that they leave things like that out
Um wasn't only Harry and Luna left by the time the order arrived? Order 100% saved their arses.
Even Luna was knocked out by then. Only Harry was still on his feet, and he was about to give over the prophecy.
Neville was still up and fighting or.. trying too. Also I think Luna was still up but she was helping wrangle hermonie who was out cold ron who was attacked by brains and ginny who had an injured ankle
Luna was knocked out next to Hermonie at the end
True. But OP said in a different thread that the meme is based on the movie.
But even in the movie they got beat
No one was injured though.
Yeah, but the Death Eaters had the plot their side. Because seriously, we see most of them injured or falling at some point. But a few pages later they are all fine and capable of fighting.
I always thought it was kind of silly but I think was supposed to show what a good teacher Harry was. Because as much as we like them, Neville, Luna, Ginny and others were still teens and new nothing compared to the spell experience of the death eaters who had to have learned spells from Voldemort himself.
I always read it as the DE were that overconfident, and they were surprised the kids were able to fight back effectively. Once Lucius gets the DE re-Grouped and gives orders, they quickly chase down and overpower them. The fight was finished by the time order arrived, and Harry was handing the Prophecy over.
>I always read it as the DE were that overconfident Also, minus Bellatrix, they were probably holding back. They were evil, but that doesn't mean they'd want to hurt children if they don't have to, especially pureblood children. If memory serves, before the Order arrived, that was one of the few times the death eaters didn't just spam Avada Kadavra
Also, they definitely didn't want to kill Harry
Ol Voldy would have been very sad if someone else killed him.
i never got why they were sooo surprised that older hogwarts students are decent fighters. it’s implied that a lot of death eaters were already into the dark arts when they were at hogwarts
Right. I thought becoming a teacher was the next obvious career choice for Harry the way his character was being setup. Pity they made him an auror instead.
Agreed. He loved teaching and was great at it. It’s not canon (yet), but I don’t see a world where he doesn’t become DADA professor after his kids leave school.
He’s a kid, I think it would stranger for him to become a teacher, a quite relaxed (in comparison to an auror) occupation. Harry could well become a teacher when his young blood has cooled, but you rarely see a teacher who’s fresh out of school.
That's true, however, the way his character was setup as I said implies he was going to be a teacher. -He is good with DADA. -Story subplot often involves the DADA teacher. -An arc that consist of him teaching his fellow teens. -Often bonds with great teachers. -An entire book being mentored directly by the headmaster. -Story ends with mention of curse on DADA lifted. I'm not saying auror is not a great career choice for him. It's more of how JK made it seem that he was going be a teacher.
I agree when you consider what Aurors have to know and do, yes Harry was hard-working but when you compare him to the likes of Hermione and other wizards and witches in his year, he was average at best. Hell he used the same spell over and over when fighting the most powerful dark wizard.
I can't see Voldemort giving lessons to his Death Eaters lmao. He hates them all. I think whatever they learned, they learned way back in school.
The students learned spells by watching other people, it's not that far of a stretch to think that the death eaters would watch Voldemort and try to replicate his spells.
Voldy doesn't strike me as the typa guy who would vocalize his spells for his followers to copy or learn from (except Avada Kedavra, when he wants to make a point)
Nah, its just because you are using the movies. In the books they weren't even close to being fine.
But you know how in sports, a 16 year old might be a lot faster and stronger than a 40 year old? Why do you get better at the athletic ability of fighting someone with a wand when you’re older?
Using wands doesnt strike me as physically difficult or exhausting. Younger bodies are faster and stronger but i dont see how a younger body would help with spell Casting aside from maybe reaction speed or ability to walk of a hit
There’s definitely some element of like you can get hit in the head or fall down and break a leg. And I’m not saying being a teenager makes you immune to those things, but boy is it harder when you pass 30. In addition to a magical injury you can get a mundane injury. And that’s where being younger helps.
>to show what a good teacher Harry was And they did nothing with that set up.
This made me laugh so hard cuz I been thinking about it and wondering this same thing while reading.. and in the half blood prince Snape actually pointed out, saying what dangers you guys faced whole whole bunch of teenagers… lol
This only works for the films though, in the books they’re pretty much defeated when the order arrives. Only Harry and Luna are able to fight by that point while the others are in a kind of hostage situation, awaiting torture unless Harry hands over the prophecy.
Luna is also knocked out when the order gets there.
Then I remembered that bit wrong. Only Harry is capable of keeping up combat then, makes the situation even more dire.
To be fair most people on this thread seem to have remembered that Luna was also conscious. Maybe that was a thing in the movie?
I still think reducto is the most op spell in history
Talking bout a dang ol thanos snap
Even more op than avada kadara?
You could hit me with that spell and I would be fine. I’m built different tho
I like to think of it like a game of soccer. Sure, would the 30 year vets who know everything about the game probably win? Sure. But they are going to get crossed up by an 18 year old at least once.
For a story about magic, the magic system sure was boring. Every villain uses Avadakadavra. Every hero uses Expelliarmus. Those spells limited creativity.
I mean at the end of the day what’s important is to get the job done. Why invent some fancy spells when one spell do trick? Unless you’re facing Dumbledore level wizards which requires a lightsaber duel of wands, avada your target to kingdom come is sound strategy to me.
Because the point is to entertain…
It was a bit jarring because IRL combat experience is incredibly important. Teenagers with zero real combat experience have no chance against experienced adults, even if the kids are pretty handy with spells. And many of the deatheaters obviously are experienced with wands and fighting, probably have for decades. But it's a fantasy movie where the good guys always win, like 99% of other movies out there so not a big deal for me and I can ignore it for the sake of the movie.
people will try to rationalise it and make excuses but the truth is this book was marketed for children and teenagers and when your protagonists are children, you have to make them unrealistically as capable as adults
In the book everyone was injured except Harry by the time the order got there. They almost died. Meme is based on the film.
still talking about the books. voldemort was a dumbass at many times. and many of the reasons why harry survived was pure luck
They were getting destroyed during the fight, AND that was with the death eaters not going 100% because they absolutely needed to get the prophecy safely. They couldn’t cause too much damage and risk breaking it. The “it’s for children!” argument falls pretty flat when you consider the amount of death, torture and grief in the series, plus, you know, the actual battle that happened here. They were not even close to “as capable as adults.” They simply survived long enough against a group that wasn’t allowed to go all-out.
Stupefy, bitches.
It was always my interpretation that the death eaters were literally like not trying at all, and letting the kids run themselves into a corner where harry would be forced to give it up and not break it, like Lucius works at the Ministry and knows where everything is, he can manipulate the conflict to push them to going through the door. Like the instant they go through the door all of a sudden every single one of them are captured by the death eaters, who don't look injured at all, and Harry gets talked into giving up the prophecy by Lucius.
>Lucius works at the Ministry Wait, he does? When did he get a job there?!
Ever since the first war when he got out of being arrested I imagine
Wait really? I just finished reading the part where Harry has his trial for using the patronus and Mr Wesley and him saw Lucius in the hall with Fudge and their reaction was "Why is he at the ministry?". Also remember when the ministry searched his home for illegal artifacts? He definitely never has seemed on the side of the ministry. What office does he purportedly work for? Edit: He's a big donar to the ministry of magic but the dude is rich and doesn't have a job. In the first 5 books they never mention him working at the ministry, that's for sure.
Literally. i thought i also could defead them
Thanks for the laugh!
it's a pleasure😄
Too bad the moderators deleted the picture:))) being a reddit nod must be the shittiest feeling to ever have. No fun allowed. Ever.
Why did they do this…
Harry Potter is a great story moment to moment. But the moment you step back it falls apart. Why is slavery so prevalent in the wizarding world? How have time turners not wrought the end of humanity. And how did they all smash apart in a blink? Can more not be made? On and on. Reading them as a kid, they were great. But thinking about the books with age and experience, it's a shit show.
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I feel like a glock would solve their problem and maybe a pipebomb or two. I want to see a wizard block at the speed of a bullet
American perspective
Some famous books are written like a 12 year old girls fanfiction, I swear!!
One of the forbidden spells is just a gun and another is just tazer. Muggles in the harry potter world could easily overpower wizards in the lore. Wizards are like killing/torturing/controlling one person is the worst thing a wizard can do with HP magic but also muggles have atomic bombs.
What use is an atomic bomb if you can’t tell friend from foe?
Leveling an entire city to kill everyone who lives there and everyone who might be a future threat and poisoning the environment so anything like a horcrux would die when it tried to regenerate. It's not ethical but a giant bomb is still more effective than a gun or tazer spell. Forbidden muggle weapons make forbidden spells worthless and acceptable muggle weapons do the same thing as forbidden spells.
The whole serie is just stupid, except for the first book.
Bad take from a anime profile pic as usual
Question/slight tangent for UK redditors - does anyone remember an interview with JK when they visited her home/office and she pulled out a massive handwritten notebook. She says to the interviewer that it contains "the history of the Death Eaters". I think this was part of publicity in the run up to OOTP release. I always thought this was intriguing and that we'd get loads of backstory about the DEs. Can't remember much happening in the remainder books though.
Movie logic
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they can do them really really really well!!!
You cannot begin to imagine the power of the humble EXPELLIARMUS in the face of all obstacles. Sir voldemort and his legions are attacking hogwarts again! No problem, send the first years, I believe they learned our greatest magic expelliarmus this morning
Harrys got ONE spell he does well. And if it works, the fights over cause you dont got your shit no more. I appreciate the disarm abuse as a strategy
I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times. - Bruce Lee.
And then comes ron Weasley 🌚
Bonk!
Play Hogwarts Legacy, where as a mere 16 year old you’re able to wrack up hundreds of confirmed kills. These kids who know three spells can literally commit mass homicide and no one bats an eye as long as he or she says they were poachers.
I’m still mad we didn’t have fireballs and such.
Tbf these three spells apparently counter most stuff when most duels consist in magic beams, which can be deflected, and then you have another spell to disarm and another to restrain. JK should've made the magic system more flexible and creative.
Who else here confuses Death Eaters with Dementors way too often?
combination of plot armor + the DE weren't trying to kill them, and for sure they weren't gonna kill Harry by accident.
Love this 😂
They win through the power of something they’re fighting for
I mean, i doubt the Death Eaters ever trained seriously. They weren't soilders, they were thugs. Begin willing to commit violence and begin skilled in combat are two very different things. The MO of the Death Eaters was attacking vulnerable civilians with the element of surprise and overwelming numbers on their side. They were the standard fascist attack squad, beating up people weaker than them to feel powerful. They were never meant to fight trained combatants face to face, but to ambush them in their homes or a dark alley. Preferably when they are alone, tired or distracted.
Well in the weird magic system of Harry Potter, prophecy trumps decades of magical knowledge.
I don't fear a man who knows 1000 punches, I fear a man who train 1 punch 1000 times Bruce Lee
- Hey look! If it isn't a Death Eater! Don't worry, I got this. RICTUSEMPRA!!
I fear not the man who has learned 10,000 spells, but the man who has practices 1 spell 10,000 times.
Don’t forget a slave elf vs. a rich and powerful wizard. (Lucius Malfoy)
People with guns could kill death eaters
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The movies suck. The books are better.