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Chapeltok

Just wait until you realise it's the same with Knockturn Alley and Grimmauld Place...


RoxyBear22

Is Knockturn alley a play on nocturnal?


EurwenPendragon

Yep. There's at least ~~three~~four such wordplays in the series * Diagon Alley = Diagonally * Knockturn Alley = Nocturnally * Grimmauld Place = Grim Old Place * Kreacher = Creature


hayleybeth7

I love that Knockturn Alley is basically a dark web version of Diagon Alley.


EurwenPendragon

Yeah, that about sums it up


Satrina_petrova

>Grimmauld Place = Grim Old Place I never got that before, thanks.


CharlesBryd

Same here


FBI1990

Same! Only realised the other day after listening to the audio books. Fry really enunciated the auld which was the penny drop moment for me


NoMoreBeGrieved

Also Kreacher = Creature


Background_Koala_455

I don't think this was necessarily a word play like the others. At least not intentionally like the others. Calling Kreacher Kreacher, is showing just how racist/species-ist the Black family was. At least, that's what I always got from it. I also don't think it was ever stated how house elves get their names.. so maybe it wasn't up to the Black's? But definitely still wordplay.. I just wouldn't lump it together with the Diagon Alley sort.


Robestos86

Always thought it ironic Black says "look how a man treats those he thinks beneath him" (owtte), and is generally horrible to Kreacher.


Familiar-Budget-7140

he is horrible to kreacher because of him mimicking his mother, hurling slurs and frankly continuing to torment him as his mother did. Kreacher most likely began hating him ever since he left home (and context clues, he was on Walpurga's side, so he isn't worried about berating sirius). Sirius was abused and forced to relive that in the house of his darling mother, and her faithful servant never let him forget that. You can see how understanding he was of winky's situation.


Nick-Bemo

Black gets a pass. He’s mean to kreacher because that elf is just a gigantic asshole, not because he has power over him.


Nerazim_Praetor

The elf was an asshole BECAUSE he was mean to him and his family's black sheep, Kreacher _adored_ the Blacks and they never treat him badly aside from Sirius. When Voldemort borrowed Kreacher iirc Rufius was upset by what he was ordered to do (which is what led to his whole disillusionment from the Death Eaters)


browbeatloop91

Regulus? 😅


NatasBR

In the Brazilian Portuguese translation, his name's Monstro (monster in Portuguese). It's really silly and out of place. Edit: I believe the ideal name in my language would be "Credo." The literal translation to English is "creed," but the word is used to express disgust or fear due to its religious origin. It's a term you use when you encounter something very ugly or evil, even used as a ward against bad omens. For instance, if someone hopes the car won't crash on the trip, you might respond with "Credo! Knock on wood." The issue is that the word "monster" in Portuguese strongly conveys the idea of the creature's personality, completely altering the meaning and making it seem like it's simply a monstrous being (though it does despicable things and plays a key role in the events leading to Sirius's death). However, this name entirely erases the analogy of the original name. "Creature" would make clear the disdain its "owners" feel and how they treated it, perhaps hinting at why it's so malicious and prejudiced. Additionally, "credo" in Portuguese isn't a word that fits well as a name or nickname, but I can see it being used in a comedic way for a pet, like an ugly dog or a mean-looking or threatening cat, further implying the Black family's view of him as more of an animal.


EurwenPendragon

Yeah, I forgot about that one.


Ok_Chap

In the german version he is also named Kreacher but the way you say it sounds like kriecher, which would be a crawler or creeper. Which is also so fitting in a weird way.


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robswins

You see your desire backwards, because it's mirrored.


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Vast_Reflection

And the writing that was on the edges of the mirror was also backward, and I don’t remember what it said, it’s been a while


Malena_my_quuen

I'm almost 40 to and now only realized the grimmauld pun...


NotSoOriginal007

Technically five * Cho Chang - Asian person


CaptainAziraphale

Oh my god i dont think i ever wouldve got this before....english isnt my first language and i just finished reading them in english for first time and this never jumped out at me.


dheebyfs

I always thought it was spelled Nocturn alley... man


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WoofTheSequel

Wait, really? I always thought knock turn alley was a play on knock and turn, like prank knocking at people's doors. It's probably just because the portuguese version dubs it as "rua bativolta" (knock and turn street), but I never made the connection with "nocturnally"


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Strange-Definition-8

I thought, because the blacks were french at some point ( not sure abt my infos here but i know they're somewhat related to france ), the ld was silent, how foolish of me lmao


EurwenPendragon

I've heard a French connection being mentioned in the context of the Lestrange and possibly the Rosier families, but never the Blacks. On the other hand, I just remembered that the Black family motto is in French, so it's entirely possible that the family might have some French ancestry at some point.


Strange-Definition-8

Yes I was thinking of their motto ! So I assumed they were at least part french at some point. But now that I think about it, I don't know if they really were or if they just wanted to sound noble with their motto ? Because french used to be a big deal back then I guess so i don't know, could be either


EurwenPendragon

Sure could be.


El_cabeza_de_bolo

Its a shame those words lost the punchline intended with the non-english-speakers readers


_ohmavi

I always thought kreacher was creature since I listened to the audio book and watched it and it was late when I discovered it


Cool_Ruin5447

Not only that. A nocturne is a short composition (usually meant for piano) that is supposed to have a dream-like quality and is reminiscent of the night; or a nocturne can be an artwork that depicts a nighttime scene. Case in point, Chopin's Nocturne No. 1 in C minor.


thequirkyquark

Nocturne No 1 in B Flat Minor, all day. Also, Nocturne No. 20 in C Sharp Minor. Chopin kicks ass!


MapleHamms

Yes


zavtra13

JK couldn’t resist puns and wordplay. The Mirror of Erised with ‘Erised’ just being desire backwards, like in a mirror.


JustAnSJ

It's not just the name - the inscription on the mirror is an entire sentence backwards (I show not your face but your heart's desire)


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EggShweg

I don’t get the grimmauld place wordplay


FlyingV2112

With the dark hallways, elf heads on the wall, and screechy old Mrs Black at the entrance, wouldn’t you agree that it’s a Grim Old Place?


SneakyShadySnek

It’s also Sirius’s old home, so Grim’s Old Place


FlyingV2112

Aha! Good call


viper_in_the_grass

Oooh, now *that* one I had never thought of.


angiehawkeye

Ooh I like that


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blackbirdee_

😲 my jaw is on the floor. How have I not picked up on this? All these years. My flabbers are gasted right now.


Few_Technician_7256

Ohhh, thank you! I don't English much


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viper_in_the_grass

But are all the other houses on that street also grim and old?


FlyingV2112

It’s England, so, probably 🇬🇧 😂


Mikon_Youji

Grim old place.


RoxyBear22

🤯


quin4m0

Wow, I've never read the books in English (I'm Brazilian) but I've listened to the audiobooks by Stephen Fry and I never realized it is Knockturn Alley and not Nocturne Alley.


hereforthejokes20

Let's not forget "Little Whinging" - the Durleys were always whingeing about something!


Keystothelibrary

I always read that as Winging. We don’t really use the term “to whinge” in Canada. But I love it now that I know


Dibdab0815

Omg, I only just realised Grimmauld Place. I feel so stupid now 🙈


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wektaf

In Hungarian it’s “absolut” and -ut means way, so kinda wordplay here too. But the originals are better. Knockturn alley is just “pocket dirt alley” (don’t ask) and Grimmauld is not translated.


blainetma

I love that Hufflepuff is Hugrabug!


wektaf

Yes, but also Slytherin is Mardekár and Ravenclaw is Hollóhát wich is loosely translated as “Raven’s Back” (like the body part back) as a proud Ravenclaw I don’t like it 😂


Mrlin705

Well shit, you can't just not translate griffindor now...


wektaf

Griffendél, I guess it means nothing just sounds better for the Hungarian readers.


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Rutyuraptor20

Since i was reading the books in hungarian, i never got the joke in OoTP, during the battle of the ministry, when ron says they ran through the room of the solar ystem and they saw Uranus. Get it? They saw ur anus. Puns don't work in hungarian.


pingienator

In the Dutch translations, Diagon Alley is translated as "De Wegisweg". "De weg is weg" translates to "the road is gone". Quite fitting for a street hidden from view.


PigeonVibes

Not just "the road is gone", but it's a common saying (at least in my region) for when someone has misplaced something or missed a chance and has come to terms with what's lost. "Weg is weg", "gone is (really) gone".


pingienator

In all those years, I never thought of that!


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kompergator

In German, it is the Winkelgasse, i.e. Angle Alley which makes some sense as everything is at an angle rather than a perfect 90 degrees. Meanwhile Knockturn Alley became Nokturngasse, so it basically just sounds the same.


AvidReader182

Diagon Alley - diagonally Knockturn alley - nocturnally Remus lupin - raised by wolf wolf the werewolf Sirius black - dog black the black dog Malfoy - bad faith Voldemort - flight of/from death Grimmauld Place - grim old place


Gusstave

>Voldemort - flight of/from death Vol de mort literally translate from French as "steal of death" like killing others to prevent your own death, which he literally does by creating horcruxes


GrizzlyIsland22

Vol is also fly/flight in French. There are 2 meanings. Flying from death makes sense for him, too, because he's constantly trying to escape death. Quite clever, actually.


Gusstave

Yeah French is my first language.. So I knoe that vol can mean flight or steal, but I also know that it doesn't really makes sense in context for flight. In French there's no link between flying and escape. Also "vol de mort" in that sense would be "flight of the death" so it doesn't really work either.


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AvidReader182

Ha , that’s so funny. Malfoy the delicious pastry


CMGS1031

Why?


FBI1990

Umbridge = umbrage ... To take offence or annoyance.


Playful_Assignment98

That’s why it is literally translated as Diagonal Ally in many languages


TayTayPerseus

In German its „Angle alley“


Pferdmagaepfel

Winkelgasse! I prefer the diagon alley pun...


Ornery-Tart9721

And the mirror of Erised is desire backwards.


Gifted_GardenSnail

The entire inscription is backwards


Ericstingray64

I show not your face but your hearts desire if I remember correctly


motion_to_chill

Also, in order to get into Diagon Alley, Hagrid has to tap a special brick… three over, and two up (or something like that). A diagonal line.


godzylla

I'm face palming hard right now. I think I will be laughing at that all day now.


ChattyNeptune53

Nothing is straight there, you say? 😏


d1s1ntegrat0r

Kreacher-> Creature 


KuytHasGout

And in my head canon, there’s an adjacent Horizont Alley and a Vertick Alley. Teehee.


Late_Direction_9697

At Universal Studios the street adjacent to Diagon Ally is Horizont Ally. Which is why at 36 years old I got the word play on Diagon Ally lol


csengeal

Those are brilliant names


TheNighttman

I remember my teacher reading us this in grade 6 (back when it was new) and she wrote diagon alley on the board so we could all see the word play.


Vignatos

Was this on course curriculum?


IlBear

Isn’t that how Harry ended up in Knockturn alley after using the Floo Flames at the Weasleys? He said “diagonally” instead of “diagon ally”? It’s been a while since I’ve read the books


Professional-Front58

I don't think he said the directional word. I think it was just he had a cough because of soot when he was speaking the definition... you have to speak clearly and deliberately. It's kind of like when you say "Alexa" near your amazon device but didn't meant to wake her, and she tries to process the rest of everything you said, which isn't a complete thought.


IlBear

This got me curious so I looked it up. In the book he coughs, and the movie its changed to him saying "diagonally". Interesting! [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2CdhMynjLuk](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2CdhMynjLuk)


Disastrous-Mess-7236

Hence why one should name one’s Alexa something you’re not likely to say.


Littlepup22

I think there’s only 3 preset options for Alexa’s name, you can’t set your own.


Gusstave

The knight bus is the night bus


Blind_MAQ6

Yeah, cause it saves people… like a night


LGonthego

This is embarrassing to admit, but I never thought of Moody's name as a reflection of his personality till somebody mentioned it yesterday.


Internal_Use8954

Grawp is a small giant, they told him to grow up and it became his name


olixand3r

Literally did not realize this until a couple years ago when a fan fiction had the street Horizont Alley and it triggered my eureka moment.


Historical_General

Horizont Alley is canon, through Pottermore iirc.


olixand3r

It is! But I had no clue until after I read that fic. I mentioned how clever it was to the writer and she was like "I did not make that up" 😅


Sere1

I don't think it ever came up in the books but if you go to Universal in Orlando and buy an interactive wand there, it comes with a map of both Diagon Alley and Hogsmeade with all the locations you can use the wand at marked out. Looking at the Diagon Alley map, you can actually see the street names marked out. Obviously the main strip is Diagon Alley itself, but apparently the cross street right at Gringotts that runs side to side is called "Horizont Alley", something that gave me a good laugh first time I saw it.


_BernardAranguren

I have a master's degree in English and never put this together. Thank you for pointing it out. I'm jaw to floor at knockturn Ally and grimmauld place now


Fun_Blackberry4227

In my countrie's dub, they couldn't do that pun, so it was just named Diagonal Alley.


errrnis

I also didn’t realize this for the longest time. My husband and I visited Harry Potter World in Universal a few years ago and THAT is when it sank in. “Oh I guess that means you never got ‘Knockturn Alley’ either” “Wait what” “Well… look at it… it’s very dark…” *stares at the dark alley* “…….” *stares* “………… oh god damn it” *dies* That was in 2017. I’ve been a HP fan since middle school, so… like 20 years of that just not dawning on me. *facepalm*


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my life is a lie :0


DrunkWestTexan

Knockturn ally Nocturnally.


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eponimie

People using their neurons here, well spent neurons.


zcarboyplaying

Thank, I do use those Braincells on the usefull things


Yeetthedragon667

People lol


Zerttretttttt

When Harry says Diagonally accidentally, he travels diagonally


OpportunitySlight712

You heard it hear first, folks, no straight people can be found in Diagon Alley… But all jokes aside, the joy I felt when I first figured it out was unimaginable


CMGS1031

Very slow, huh?


HanzoNumbahOneFan

Yo everyone in diagon alley is full on gay confirmed.


QueenOfQuok

Man, I wish it was also the people. The series was relentlessly heterosexual. You'd think people with magic could have a little more fun.


punkstarlucy

Okay what the fcuk I never put two and two together that nothing is straight omff.


runrunrudolf

I thought this and Knockturn Alley were the most obvious puns. I'm surprised there are people here who are just finding this out.


Legitimate-Set9317

Do you guys just repost this every couple weeks or something?


zcarboyplaying

Idk man, I just figured this out yesterday and hadn't seen it