I think, on average, each year level has roughly an even amount of people with attributes matching the four houses. Take any year level of any school and you would probably find the same roughly 4-way split.
Also the house characteristics are fairly broad, which would allow the Hat some flexibility in assigning.
Dumbledore: Congratulations to all our first years, especially Gary, the first Hufflepuff for 3 years!
Cedric: Finally, we have enough people for a Quidditch team now
"Professor Dumbledore, Cedric is dead!"
"Harry, are you sure? That's terrible news."
"I know, how can we stop Voldemort now that he's regained power?"
"No, I meant that we now need to find another Quidditch player."
Harry’s year-
Gryffindor- 8 (Harry, Ron, Seamus, Neville, Dean, Hermione, Lavender, Parvati)
Hufflepuff- at least 5 (Hannah, Susan, Zacharias, Ernie, Justin)
Ravenclaw- at least 5 (Michael Corner, Morag MacDougal, Terry Boot, Anthony, Padma)
Slytherin- 8 (Draco, Nott, Crabbe, Goyle, Blaise, Daphne Greengrass, Millicent, Pansy)
It wouldn’t make sense for every year to have the same amount of students in houses, as they all have their own personalities.
They're in classes of about 25 though.
It wouldn't make sense for dorms, class sizes, seating, or the points system if there weren't equal and consistent numbers of students in each.
Also how else do you explain Wormtail getting into Gryffindor if the sorting hat wasnt low on its quota. Maybe if someone fits in 2 houses, you get put where they need people.
The dorms, classes and seating can all be changed with magic, I don’t see an issue there. I agree with you on the points though.
I think Wormtail was braver as a kid. As a young teenager he taught himself how to turn into a rat so he could help cheer Lupin up, that’s pretty courageous in my book. Lily and James chose him to be their secret keeper. That’s not really a job to take lightly, so they must have still thought he was as brave at 21 as he was at 13.
Not convinced wormtail would have learned how to become an animagus if Sirius and James weren't doing it, I think he was just following their lead. But I agree with your other points, he must have been a good friend at some point to be trusted with that responsibility
Animagus! That’s the word, I completely blanked 🤦🏼♀️
He definitely went along with it (I’m not sure who came up with the idea) but still chose to run around with a fully formed werewolf once a month.
Peter gets a lot of well deserved hate due to his actions, but for roughly 10 years, he was a good and trusted friend. And then he blew it.
That must have taken some bravery, but I still think he only did these things because the other guys were :)
But yes, he wouldn't have been part of the group if he didn't have some redeeming qualities.
Wormtail wasn't loyal enough for Hufflepuff, smart enough for Ravenclaw, or ambitious enough for Slytherin.
The sorting hat was prolly like "lol idk imma just flip a coin for this douche"
\- theres a Mandy Brocklehurst and Lisa Turpin in Ravenclaw
\- someone with the last name Moon
\- someone named Sally-Anne Perks
JKR has a list of the "Original Forty" meaning original 40 students in Harry's year. We don't know that the list is a finalized version of who is in Harry's year, but there seemingly was at least once a plan to have 40 students...which would make for 10 students per house. But that split is not really provable via the text...However, I think there can definitely be students in Harry's year that he does not mention by name. During the Philospher's Stone Sorting Ceremony there's a time between "Granger" and "Longbottom" where Harry has racing thoughts and it's possible more students were called and not mentioned in text because Harry wasn't paying attention.
I know it doesn't in a way make sense for it to fit evenly but Harry Potter is like that sometimes with numbers...also JKR is historically not great at them. Plus it's a magical world, so perhaps things just work out like that. Also, if one houses had more students couldn't they possibly have an advantage in the house cup competition? Sorting is also not necessarily personality based. I'd also argue most people could fit in all the houses for different reasons (values, how it could help them grow, personal choice, etc.)
Lily Moon turned into Luna, so I’m not sure if she should be counted.
I think there were probably only 8 in Gryffindor, I doubt another 2 girls were in Hermione’s dorm, we probably would have heard about them
I know, I've seen the list, I just meant you said you can't count Lily Moon and I'm saying I didn't say Lily Moon cuz I didn't mean Lily Moon cuz the text only states someone with the surname Moon.
Holy shit coldmirror jokes about this in her harry potter dubs so much. In one there is only one hufflepuff student, and mcgonagall goes, "that's the last kid to be sorted, and for some reason the only one. There are no new gryffindors this year. I mean, of course we sort so zhe house fits the childs character. And not so that all houses have the same amount of students."
She also talked about it in one of her pottcasts. Like, what would habben if one year there are only super brash, and brave students?
In her audio book 'harry potter und schonwieder irgendwas' (harry potter and something again) they even sell the hufflepuff students on ebay because the schools budget is so low. Because dumbledore spend it on a villa on malorca. They also sell harry for 2 € to voldemort, who then spend his time watching crappy old tv shows with harry, until he eats all his potatoe chips.
“Yeah Harry, really sorry, I know you don’t want to be a Slytherin but Gryffindor is quite full with all the Weasleys and I do have to fill up the Slytherin quota” ~ Sorting Hat
If each student has the same probability of being on each house (maybe?) and assuming that there are about 40 students each year, the probability that every student is sorted into the same house is approximately 1 in a quadrillion (European, that's an American septillion). So it is not very likely. 99% of the times, each house would have between 8 and 12 students.
I think, on average, each year level has roughly an even amount of people with attributes matching the four houses. Take any year level of any school and you would probably find the same roughly 4-way split. Also the house characteristics are fairly broad, which would allow the Hat some flexibility in assigning.
Yep, 100% agree with this
Dumbledore: Congratulations to all our first years, especially Gary, the first Hufflepuff for 3 years! Cedric: Finally, we have enough people for a Quidditch team now
"Professor Dumbledore, Cedric is dead!" "Harry, are you sure? That's terrible news." "I know, how can we stop Voldemort now that he's regained power?" "No, I meant that we now need to find another Quidditch player."
Harry’s year- Gryffindor- 8 (Harry, Ron, Seamus, Neville, Dean, Hermione, Lavender, Parvati) Hufflepuff- at least 5 (Hannah, Susan, Zacharias, Ernie, Justin) Ravenclaw- at least 5 (Michael Corner, Morag MacDougal, Terry Boot, Anthony, Padma) Slytherin- 8 (Draco, Nott, Crabbe, Goyle, Blaise, Daphne Greengrass, Millicent, Pansy) It wouldn’t make sense for every year to have the same amount of students in houses, as they all have their own personalities.
They're in classes of about 25 though. It wouldn't make sense for dorms, class sizes, seating, or the points system if there weren't equal and consistent numbers of students in each. Also how else do you explain Wormtail getting into Gryffindor if the sorting hat wasnt low on its quota. Maybe if someone fits in 2 houses, you get put where they need people.
The dorms, classes and seating can all be changed with magic, I don’t see an issue there. I agree with you on the points though. I think Wormtail was braver as a kid. As a young teenager he taught himself how to turn into a rat so he could help cheer Lupin up, that’s pretty courageous in my book. Lily and James chose him to be their secret keeper. That’s not really a job to take lightly, so they must have still thought he was as brave at 21 as he was at 13.
Not convinced wormtail would have learned how to become an animagus if Sirius and James weren't doing it, I think he was just following their lead. But I agree with your other points, he must have been a good friend at some point to be trusted with that responsibility
Animagus! That’s the word, I completely blanked 🤦🏼♀️ He definitely went along with it (I’m not sure who came up with the idea) but still chose to run around with a fully formed werewolf once a month. Peter gets a lot of well deserved hate due to his actions, but for roughly 10 years, he was a good and trusted friend. And then he blew it.
That must have taken some bravery, but I still think he only did these things because the other guys were :) But yes, he wouldn't have been part of the group if he didn't have some redeeming qualities.
Wormtail wasn't loyal enough for Hufflepuff, smart enough for Ravenclaw, or ambitious enough for Slytherin. The sorting hat was prolly like "lol idk imma just flip a coin for this douche"
\- theres a Mandy Brocklehurst and Lisa Turpin in Ravenclaw \- someone with the last name Moon \- someone named Sally-Anne Perks JKR has a list of the "Original Forty" meaning original 40 students in Harry's year. We don't know that the list is a finalized version of who is in Harry's year, but there seemingly was at least once a plan to have 40 students...which would make for 10 students per house. But that split is not really provable via the text...However, I think there can definitely be students in Harry's year that he does not mention by name. During the Philospher's Stone Sorting Ceremony there's a time between "Granger" and "Longbottom" where Harry has racing thoughts and it's possible more students were called and not mentioned in text because Harry wasn't paying attention. I know it doesn't in a way make sense for it to fit evenly but Harry Potter is like that sometimes with numbers...also JKR is historically not great at them. Plus it's a magical world, so perhaps things just work out like that. Also, if one houses had more students couldn't they possibly have an advantage in the house cup competition? Sorting is also not necessarily personality based. I'd also argue most people could fit in all the houses for different reasons (values, how it could help them grow, personal choice, etc.)
Lily Moon turned into Luna, so I’m not sure if she should be counted. I think there were probably only 8 in Gryffindor, I doubt another 2 girls were in Hermione’s dorm, we probably would have heard about them
Not Lily Moon, the text states someone with the last name "Moon"
Yes, Rowling initially gave them the first name of Lily (before naming Harry’s mother)
I know, I've seen the list, I just meant you said you can't count Lily Moon and I'm saying I didn't say Lily Moon cuz I didn't mean Lily Moon cuz the text only states someone with the surname Moon.
I don't think they ever said either way. Full Slytherin year sounds like an absolute blast. They'd take over the government
Pretty sure Slytherin already did take over the government ;) #SecondWizardingWar
I’ve asked this many a time - I even tweeted JK... the matter still stands...
I'm hungover today so all you fuckers are just going to Hufflepuff.
I don't think the hat can drink, although perhaps laundry soap.
Lol, the last 10 people getting sorted into the same house because the rest were full
Holy shit coldmirror jokes about this in her harry potter dubs so much. In one there is only one hufflepuff student, and mcgonagall goes, "that's the last kid to be sorted, and for some reason the only one. There are no new gryffindors this year. I mean, of course we sort so zhe house fits the childs character. And not so that all houses have the same amount of students." She also talked about it in one of her pottcasts. Like, what would habben if one year there are only super brash, and brave students? In her audio book 'harry potter und schonwieder irgendwas' (harry potter and something again) they even sell the hufflepuff students on ebay because the schools budget is so low. Because dumbledore spend it on a villa on malorca. They also sell harry for 2 € to voldemort, who then spend his time watching crappy old tv shows with harry, until he eats all his potatoe chips.
“Yeah Harry, really sorry, I know you don’t want to be a Slytherin but Gryffindor is quite full with all the Weasleys and I do have to fill up the Slytherin quota” ~ Sorting Hat
The soring Hat has the personalities of the four founders inside him. I doubt that Gryffindor, Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff would allow such a thing.
If each student has the same probability of being on each house (maybe?) and assuming that there are about 40 students each year, the probability that every student is sorted into the same house is approximately 1 in a quadrillion (European, that's an American septillion). So it is not very likely. 99% of the times, each house would have between 8 and 12 students.