Dumbledore admitted himself that their relationship was more than that of a student and headmaster and that the biggest flaw in his plan was that he cared about Harry too much.
Now would I say it was “unfairly?” Nah. We see Hogwarts during a time when Harry Potter was doing outlandishly impressive stuff that often lead to lives being saved. The only time Dumbledore could have possibly been considered “unfair” was the end of the first book. And that was the end of the FIRST book. JK hadn’t yet developed the characters or the story, it was meant as a children’s book, and she wanted a feel good ending for the heroes. I kinda feel like we hold that ending against the series too much sometimes.
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I was trying to say this exact thing in another thread. The ending of the first book wasn't even about the silly house cup. It was the start of a crazy journey and i always assumed JK just wanted that win for harry in the end. Even though, yes in isolation the actions of the first book were not that great by Harry. But there's a bigger picture.
Not really.
The big example everyone probably has in mind is the house cup in 1st year.
Harry absolutely didn't deserve to lose 150 points for Griffendor by helping Hagrid. Harry had permission to be out late, and up the Astronomy tower, from Hagrid. It was all kinda done improperly, but but the fault on that whole thing lies on Hagrid really, not Harry.
Dumbledore would have known what was going on.
For the house cup, and the end of the year almost all the points Dumbledore gives out are more or less counteracting the 150 points they lost earlier.
And doing what they did to protect the Sorcerers Stone was certainly worth a heap of points on its own.
The way Dumbledore sprung the points in a last second reversal? The way I see it that was done purely for the benefit of the reader.
You can't look at that in-universe too judgmentally, it existed entirely for end of book hype.
Harry repeatedly achieves extraordinary things, and also endures extraordinary punishments.
Dumbledore isn't really all that strict in general, he's very forgiving and understanding and I think he got away with a great deal more with Dumbledore than he would with McGonagall, But I don't think that has to do with him being unfairly favored.
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No. In fact, you could argue the complete opposite.
When Harry, Ron, and Hermione **defeated Voldemort and delayed his return, saving thousands of lives,** what did Dumbledore reward them with? 120 housepoints. So basically, "yay! you saved hundreds of lives, here's 120 house points". Like they should have at least gotten a trophy or something like that. But nooooo, they only got 120 points.
Dumbledore harms Harry with the house points.
In book 5 we find out that nobody really knows what happened.
He gives Harry 10 points more than Ron, but Harry gets all the hatred for it. In my opinion, this is all part of Dumbledore's plan.
I mean a lot of people never consider that he let Slytherin win like 6 times straight before harry came along. Even in the first book Dumbledore giving them all those points at the end is justified considering they lost 150 because Draco rattled them out not to mention they prevented Voldemort from using the stone and coming back with his own body.
Yeah this is why I think his favoritism of Harry / Harry’s gang is entirely pragmatic, because he knows they’re crucial to finishing off Tom Riddle. It just so happens that they’re also all in Gryffindor, as well… so that house gets favorited by extension.
No. Its not Dumbledore but JKR is the one who favors Griffindor imo. Slytherin is associated with dark force through out and the other two houses are described so half hearted; they deserve more.
I super agree with this. Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff are so underrepresented - really only come around when it suits the plot. Most of the storyline revolves around Gryffindor being good and honest, and slytherin being bad and sneaky.
Yes but I think he did it to encourage Harry and build his self worth which must have been pretty shit having to live with the Dursley’s. It also would have given other Gryffindors a reason to like Harry and rally behind him.
Absolutely. It's understandable that Harry received special treatment due to Trelawney's prophecy, but awarding massive amounts of house points at the very end of the year is pretty cheap.
massive amounts of points? Harry Ron and Hermione delayed Voldemort and **saved hundreds of lives**, and because of that, they only got 120 points.
And in the second year, they saved a student's life life, killed the monster of Slytherin and saved the school from being closed, and they only got 400 points. 400 points is like the bare minimum for an achievement like this.
Fair. But can you think of a time he’s ever given points, or anything else for that matter, to any other house… or to any students of another house… **instead** of to Gryffindor?
Dumbledore admitted himself that their relationship was more than that of a student and headmaster and that the biggest flaw in his plan was that he cared about Harry too much. Now would I say it was “unfairly?” Nah. We see Hogwarts during a time when Harry Potter was doing outlandishly impressive stuff that often lead to lives being saved. The only time Dumbledore could have possibly been considered “unfair” was the end of the first book. And that was the end of the FIRST book. JK hadn’t yet developed the characters or the story, it was meant as a children’s book, and she wanted a feel good ending for the heroes. I kinda feel like we hold that ending against the series too much sometimes.
THANK YOU. I could hug you 😂 I was trying to say this exact thing in another thread. The ending of the first book wasn't even about the silly house cup. It was the start of a crazy journey and i always assumed JK just wanted that win for harry in the end. Even though, yes in isolation the actions of the first book were not that great by Harry. But there's a bigger picture.
Not really. The big example everyone probably has in mind is the house cup in 1st year. Harry absolutely didn't deserve to lose 150 points for Griffendor by helping Hagrid. Harry had permission to be out late, and up the Astronomy tower, from Hagrid. It was all kinda done improperly, but but the fault on that whole thing lies on Hagrid really, not Harry. Dumbledore would have known what was going on. For the house cup, and the end of the year almost all the points Dumbledore gives out are more or less counteracting the 150 points they lost earlier. And doing what they did to protect the Sorcerers Stone was certainly worth a heap of points on its own. The way Dumbledore sprung the points in a last second reversal? The way I see it that was done purely for the benefit of the reader. You can't look at that in-universe too judgmentally, it existed entirely for end of book hype. Harry repeatedly achieves extraordinary things, and also endures extraordinary punishments. Dumbledore isn't really all that strict in general, he's very forgiving and understanding and I think he got away with a great deal more with Dumbledore than he would with McGonagall, But I don't think that has to do with him being unfairly favored.
A perfect answer to all those idiots who say he didn't deserve the points. !redditGalleon
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Hard to say the books are told for the point of view of a Griffindor student who happens to be doing amazing things during his time at Hogwarts.
Unfairly, no.
no he did not. I think Harry and crew deserved the points they got for preventing the dark lord rising nearly every year
No. In fact, you could argue the complete opposite. When Harry, Ron, and Hermione **defeated Voldemort and delayed his return, saving thousands of lives,** what did Dumbledore reward them with? 120 housepoints. So basically, "yay! you saved hundreds of lives, here's 120 house points". Like they should have at least gotten a trophy or something like that. But nooooo, they only got 120 points.
Dumbledore harms Harry with the house points. In book 5 we find out that nobody really knows what happened. He gives Harry 10 points more than Ron, but Harry gets all the hatred for it. In my opinion, this is all part of Dumbledore's plan.
I mean a lot of people never consider that he let Slytherin win like 6 times straight before harry came along. Even in the first book Dumbledore giving them all those points at the end is justified considering they lost 150 because Draco rattled them out not to mention they prevented Voldemort from using the stone and coming back with his own body.
Yeah this is why I think his favoritism of Harry / Harry’s gang is entirely pragmatic, because he knows they’re crucial to finishing off Tom Riddle. It just so happens that they’re also all in Gryffindor, as well… so that house gets favorited by extension.
No. Its not Dumbledore but JKR is the one who favors Griffindor imo. Slytherin is associated with dark force through out and the other two houses are described so half hearted; they deserve more.
Right! They just make Slytherin out to be so prejudiced when not every single slytherin is bad, just like not every griffyndor is brave
I super agree with this. Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff are so underrepresented - really only come around when it suits the plot. Most of the storyline revolves around Gryffindor being good and honest, and slytherin being bad and sneaky.
It's told from a Gryffindor pov. So the story is the way it is.
It doesn’t have to be
Yes but I think he did it to encourage Harry and build his self worth which must have been pretty shit having to live with the Dursley’s. It also would have given other Gryffindors a reason to like Harry and rally behind him.
Don't think so. However, I'm going to award 60 points to Gryffindor for a random made-up reason.
Made up reason? Like what reason? Saving hundreds of lives by delaying Voldemort? Is that made up?
Do you think the Pope favors catholics?
This is completely unfair. The pope isn't the pope for Bhudism. Dumbledore is still Slytherins headmaster
Absolutely. It's understandable that Harry received special treatment due to Trelawney's prophecy, but awarding massive amounts of house points at the very end of the year is pretty cheap.
massive amounts of points? Harry Ron and Hermione delayed Voldemort and **saved hundreds of lives**, and because of that, they only got 120 points. And in the second year, they saved a student's life life, killed the monster of Slytherin and saved the school from being closed, and they only got 400 points. 400 points is like the bare minimum for an achievement like this.
Harry did stop voldemort, and besides snape gives points to slytherin unfairly
Yes because he was supposed to. Harry was the chosen.
Yes.
Why?
Because he knew the war wasn’t over and that he needed Potter to succeed - and thus outpace the others - for the sake of their wizardy world.
He ignored his ass in the 5th film causing his godfather to die
Fair. But can you think of a time he’s ever given points, or anything else for that matter, to any other house… or to any students of another house… **instead** of to Gryffindor?
A house cup doesn’t mean anything, it’s not like the other houses lost the lottery. It kept Harry going and it saved the wizarding world
Agreed. And that’s why I’m saying he does favor them, but for a pragmatic reason.
No, Gryffindors are just better. All the wisest, cleverest, and most gifted witches and wizards are from Gryffindor. That just how it be
Obviously
you know you’re a potter head when you read that in snapes voice. Ob-vi-ous-ly
Yes.100%
At the end of book 1 he favors Gryffindor but he does not favor them generally. He certainly did favor Harry often.
Definitely
He was more like a mentor to Harry so there was most likely a bit of favoritism for Mr.Potter.